Sorry, I've been petty much disconnected the past week. I saw the email on Wednesday, was happy with the choice of show for the next vault, and made a mental note to go back and pre-order it when I got home. This afternoon though it shows as sold out? WTF 10C? None of the vaults has ever "sold out" after months-long pre-order windows. Why is this one not available after only a few days. Does anyone know what's up with this one?
This wasn' a "preorder", it was a "presale".
It was pretty known this would sell out and not be available anymore, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
Which part of "We are excited to announce that Vault #1 will be reissued on vinyl for pre-order in the shop!" made that obvious to you?
The part where it said they wanted to ship it in January. If you're a vinyl collector you know it's impossible right now for them to take these orders and ship by January. Vinyl production is insanely behind right now. Most other bands have given up on releasing the vinyl the same day as they drop an album. Lots of preorders/presales not scheduled to ship until way into next year kind of stuff.
While it wasn't obvious a lot of us inferred it was limited because in order to ship in January 10c would of had to put in the order for the vinyl before summer.
Good for those who are in the know of vinyl production and keep track on whether new releases get the vinyl day and date or not.
For the rest of the population @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub who wrote the news article could have just added: "This year, we will not print depending on the amount pre-orderded during our usual pre-order window but have a limited supply in stock. So if you want one, please order one before they are gone. XOXO"
Look, I just added it on the fly writing this post. So it shouldn't be that difficult for tenclub to keep members and customers informed to an obvious and painless baseline level.
Maybe @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub can chime in here on why they actively chose not to.
You have a great point, but I'm 100% sure they did the right thing. If Santos/10C had the following: "very low stock/limited" then all members that don't need it would have jumped on it just to flip it on eBay. Vault #1 would've been gone in less than 12 hours. That's how it is. People are people. I've learned a long time ago not to sleep on vinyl. Especially from Ten Club.
Well. Having "very low stock/limited" isn't one of the ten commandments and something Pearl Jam needs to have in a world when Adele can print up 500.000 copies (as in not "low stock/limited"). So sounds to me like a non-problem. Or a fabricated problem by Pearl Jam that is fan-unfriendly.
they shouldn't have limited stock on anything music-related. period. but since they do, they should:
a) not put it in the shop randomly for those of us that are here all the time to reap the benefits b) give all members a warning. c) make it always 1 per member. not 1 per order. that's dumb.
And they did that with every single vault vinyl, except, for some reason, for this one. Even if wasn't 1 per member, it wasn't a problem because they were pressed to order. Why did they decide to change things up with this one? I don't get it.
I think because it's not a regular vault release. It's a vault reissue.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
And they did that with every single vault vinyl, except, for some reason, for this one. Even if wasn't 1 per member, it wasn't a problem because they were pressed to order. Why did they decide to change things up with this one? I don't get it.
The answer to that is apparently "obvious" if you're in the know.
I guess the only way they could get it out in a timely manner was to press a certain number in advance. But, when has "timely manner" been a major priority? It's not like a mainstream release.
I'm glad I ended up biting the bullet and ordering from the UK, even with the ridiculous shipping. I hope if they become available in the shop again (repress/restock), I can cancel and get the cheaper shipping but otherwise I'm happy I at least have a copy.
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Timely manner I doubt is a factor.
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Sorry, I've been petty much disconnected the past week. I saw the email on Wednesday, was happy with the choice of show for the next vault, and made a mental note to go back and pre-order it when I got home. This afternoon though it shows as sold out? WTF 10C? None of the vaults has ever "sold out" after months-long pre-order windows. Why is this one not available after only a few days. Does anyone know what's up with this one?
This wasn' a "preorder", it was a "presale".
It was pretty known this would sell out and not be available anymore, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
Which part of "We are excited to announce that Vault #1 will be reissued on vinyl for pre-order in the shop!" made that obvious to you?
The part where it said they wanted to ship it in January. If you're a vinyl collector you know it's impossible right now for them to take these orders and ship by January. Vinyl production is insanely behind right now. Most other bands have given up on releasing the vinyl the same day as they drop an album. Lots of preorders/presales not scheduled to ship until way into next year kind of stuff.
While it wasn't obvious a lot of us inferred it was limited because in order to ship in January 10c would of had to put in the order for the vinyl before summer.
Good for those who are in the know of vinyl production and keep track on whether new releases get the vinyl day and date or not.
For the rest of the population @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub who wrote the news article could have just added: "This year, we will not print depending on the amount pre-orderded during our usual pre-order window but have a limited supply in stock. So if you want one, please order one before they are gone. XOXO"
Look, I just added it on the fly writing this post. So it shouldn't be that difficult for tenclub to keep members and customers informed to an obvious and painless baseline level.
Maybe @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub can chime in here on why they actively chose not to.
You have a great point, but I'm 100% sure they did the right thing. If Santos/10C had the following: "very low stock/limited" then all members that don't need it would have jumped on it just to flip it on eBay. Vault #1 would've been gone in less than 12 hours. That's how it is. People are people. I've learned a long time ago not to sleep on vinyl. Especially from Ten Club.
Well. Having "very low stock/limited" isn't one of the ten commandments and something Pearl Jam needs to have in a world when Adele can print up 500.000 copies (as in not "low stock/limited"). So sounds to me like a non-problem. Or a fabricated problem by Pearl Jam that is fan-unfriendly.
they shouldn't have limited stock on anything music-related. period. but since they do, they should:
a) not put it in the shop randomly for those of us that are here all the time to reap the benefits b) give all members a warning. c) make it always 1 per member. not 1 per order. that's dumb.
And they did that with every single vault vinyl, except, for some reason, for this one. Even if wasn't 1 per member, it wasn't a problem because they were pressed to order. Why did they decide to change things up with this one? I don't get it.
I think because it's not a regular vault release. It's a vault reissue.
What impact would that have? "No one" has the CD (or was that reprinted?). And it is not a vinyl reprint.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Sorry, I've been petty much disconnected the past week. I saw the email on Wednesday, was happy with the choice of show for the next vault, and made a mental note to go back and pre-order it when I got home. This afternoon though it shows as sold out? WTF 10C? None of the vaults has ever "sold out" after months-long pre-order windows. Why is this one not available after only a few days. Does anyone know what's up with this one?
This wasn' a "preorder", it was a "presale".
It was pretty known this would sell out and not be available anymore, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
Which part of "We are excited to announce that Vault #1 will be reissued on vinyl for pre-order in the shop!" made that obvious to you?
The part where it said they wanted to ship it in January. If you're a vinyl collector you know it's impossible right now for them to take these orders and ship by January. Vinyl production is insanely behind right now. Most other bands have given up on releasing the vinyl the same day as they drop an album. Lots of preorders/presales not scheduled to ship until way into next year kind of stuff.
While it wasn't obvious a lot of us inferred it was limited because in order to ship in January 10c would of had to put in the order for the vinyl before summer.
Good for those who are in the know of vinyl production and keep track on whether new releases get the vinyl day and date or not.
For the rest of the population @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub who wrote the news article could have just added: "This year, we will not print depending on the amount pre-orderded during our usual pre-order window but have a limited supply in stock. So if you want one, please order one before they are gone. XOXO"
Look, I just added it on the fly writing this post. So it shouldn't be that difficult for tenclub to keep members and customers informed to an obvious and painless baseline level.
Maybe @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub can chime in here on why they actively chose not to.
I think anyone who buys records on a consistent basis is familiar with current vinyl woes, so I wouldn't call it "those in know", I would feel it's pretty rare to buying records online right now and not running into these problems.
That being said, I agree with the rest of what you said. Ten Club could definitely do a better job with communication.
At this point I never really know what is the case with Ten Club sales. Is it limited, is it unlimited, is it going to retail, is it not going to retail... no matter what they right it feels like a tossup. So now I just buy it if I want it. I end up paying extra for anything that ends up going retail, but it's also gotten me a few things that sold out quick :(
Sorry, I've been petty much disconnected the past week. I saw the email on Wednesday, was happy with the choice of show for the next vault, and made a mental note to go back and pre-order it when I got home. This afternoon though it shows as sold out? WTF 10C? None of the vaults has ever "sold out" after months-long pre-order windows. Why is this one not available after only a few days. Does anyone know what's up with this one?
This wasn' a "preorder", it was a "presale".
It was pretty known this would sell out and not be available anymore, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
Which part of "We are excited to announce that Vault #1 will be reissued on vinyl for pre-order in the shop!" made that obvious to you?
The part where it said they wanted to ship it in January. If you're a vinyl collector you know it's impossible right now for them to take these orders and ship by January. Vinyl production is insanely behind right now. Most other bands have given up on releasing the vinyl the same day as they drop an album. Lots of preorders/presales not scheduled to ship until way into next year kind of stuff.
While it wasn't obvious a lot of us inferred it was limited because in order to ship in January 10c would of had to put in the order for the vinyl before summer.
Good for those who are in the know of vinyl production and keep track on whether new releases get the vinyl day and date or not.
For the rest of the population @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub who wrote the news article could have just added: "This year, we will not print depending on the amount pre-orderded during our usual pre-order window but have a limited supply in stock. So if you want one, please order one before they are gone. XOXO"
Look, I just added it on the fly writing this post. So it shouldn't be that difficult for tenclub to keep members and customers informed to an obvious and painless baseline level.
Maybe @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub can chime in here on why they actively chose not to.
You have a great point, but I'm 100% sure they did the right thing. If Santos/10C had the following: "very low stock/limited" then all members that don't need it would have jumped on it just to flip it on eBay. Vault #1 would've been gone in less than 12 hours. That's how it is. People are people. I've learned a long time ago not to sleep on vinyl. Especially from Ten Club.
Well. Having "very low stock/limited" isn't one of the ten commandments and something Pearl Jam needs to have in a world when Adele can print up 500.000 copies (as in not "low stock/limited"). So sounds to me like a non-problem. Or a fabricated problem by Pearl Jam that is fan-unfriendly.
they shouldn't have limited stock on anything music-related. period. but since they do, they should:
a) not put it in the shop randomly for those of us that are here all the time to reap the benefits b) give all members a warning. c) make it always 1 per member. not 1 per order. that's dumb.
And they did that with every single vault vinyl, except, for some reason, for this one. Even if wasn't 1 per member, it wasn't a problem because they were pressed to order. Why did they decide to change things up with this one? I don't get it.
I think because it's not a regular vault release. It's a vault reissue.
What impact would that have? "No one" has the CD (or was that reprinted?). And it is not a vinyl reprint.
I'm just suggesting it had an impact on their attitude about it, and why they didn't do it like all the other vault sales. I think they only chose to do it because people begged them to for so long, so they just threw it out there, like "okay, here!" Just a guess.
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And they did that with every single vault vinyl, except, for some reason, for this one. Even if wasn't 1 per member, it wasn't a problem because they were pressed to order. Why did they decide to change things up with this one? I don't get it.
The answer to that is apparently "obvious" if you're in the know.
I guess the only way they could get it out in a timely manner was to press a certain number in advance. But, when has "timely manner" been a major priority? It's not like a mainstream release.
I'm glad I ended up biting the bullet and ordering from the UK, even with the ridiculous shipping. I hope if they become available in the shop again (repress/restock), I can cancel and get the cheaper shipping but otherwise I'm happy I at least have a copy.
They sent us our holiday singles 25-30 years late.
Timely manner I doubt is a factor.
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Sorry, I've been petty much disconnected the past week. I saw the email on Wednesday, was happy with the choice of show for the next vault, and made a mental note to go back and pre-order it when I got home. This afternoon though it shows as sold out? WTF 10C? None of the vaults has ever "sold out" after months-long pre-order windows. Why is this one not available after only a few days. Does anyone know what's up with this one?
This wasn' a "preorder", it was a "presale".
It was pretty known this would sell out and not be available anymore, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
Which part of "We are excited to announce that Vault #1 will be reissued on vinyl for pre-order in the shop!" made that obvious to you?
The part where it said they wanted to ship it in January. If you're a vinyl collector you know it's impossible right now for them to take these orders and ship by January. Vinyl production is insanely behind right now. Most other bands have given up on releasing the vinyl the same day as they drop an album. Lots of preorders/presales not scheduled to ship until way into next year kind of stuff.
While it wasn't obvious a lot of us inferred it was limited because in order to ship in January 10c would of had to put in the order for the vinyl before summer.
Good for those who are in the know of vinyl production and keep track on whether new releases get the vinyl day and date or not.
For the rest of the population @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub who wrote the news article could have just added: "This year, we will not print depending on the amount pre-orderded during our usual pre-order window but have a limited supply in stock. So if you want one, please order one before they are gone. XOXO"
Look, I just added it on the fly writing this post. So it shouldn't be that difficult for tenclub to keep members and customers informed to an obvious and painless baseline level.
Maybe @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub can chime in here on why they actively chose not to.
You have a great point, but I'm 100% sure they did the right thing. If Santos/10C had the following: "very low stock/limited" then all members that don't need it would have jumped on it just to flip it on eBay. Vault #1 would've been gone in less than 12 hours. That's how it is. People are people. I've learned a long time ago not to sleep on vinyl. Especially from Ten Club.
Well. Having "very low stock/limited" isn't one of the ten commandments and something Pearl Jam needs to have in a world when Adele can print up 500.000 copies (as in not "low stock/limited"). So sounds to me like a non-problem. Or a fabricated problem by Pearl Jam that is fan-unfriendly.
they shouldn't have limited stock on anything music-related. period. but since they do, they should:
a) not put it in the shop randomly for those of us that are here all the time to reap the benefits b) give all members a warning. c) make it always 1 per member. not 1 per order. that's dumb.
It was new merch from the 10th, right? So that really isn't random. I don't usually check the shop during the day, but I pretty much always check it on my lunch break on the 10th. I'm pretty sure it was up for a few hours before I checked and I still got one. But that is still a small window, should last a lot longer if they ordered a proper amount.
A lot still doesn't make sense. Like, why such a small order, seems like they could have sold a lot more? If it was ordered months ago so it could ship sooner, why not do a preoder months ago and make everyone happy?
Sorry, I've been petty much disconnected the past week. I saw the email on Wednesday, was happy with the choice of show for the next vault, and made a mental note to go back and pre-order it when I got home. This afternoon though it shows as sold out? WTF 10C? None of the vaults has ever "sold out" after months-long pre-order windows. Why is this one not available after only a few days. Does anyone know what's up with this one?
This wasn' a "preorder", it was a "presale".
It was pretty known this would sell out and not be available anymore, I'm surprised it lasted as long as it did.
Which part of "We are excited to announce that Vault #1 will be reissued on vinyl for pre-order in the shop!" made that obvious to you?
The part where it said they wanted to ship it in January. If you're a vinyl collector you know it's impossible right now for them to take these orders and ship by January. Vinyl production is insanely behind right now. Most other bands have given up on releasing the vinyl the same day as they drop an album. Lots of preorders/presales not scheduled to ship until way into next year kind of stuff.
While it wasn't obvious a lot of us inferred it was limited because in order to ship in January 10c would of had to put in the order for the vinyl before summer.
Good for those who are in the know of vinyl production and keep track on whether new releases get the vinyl day and date or not.
For the rest of the population @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub who wrote the news article could have just added: "This year, we will not print depending on the amount pre-orderded during our usual pre-order window but have a limited supply in stock. So if you want one, please order one before they are gone. XOXO"
Look, I just added it on the fly writing this post. So it shouldn't be that difficult for tenclub to keep members and customers informed to an obvious and painless baseline level.
Maybe @Santos L. Halper or @rubysdad or whoever at Tenclub can chime in here on why they actively chose not to.
You have a great point, but I'm 100% sure they did the right thing. If Santos/10C had the following: "very low stock/limited" then all members that don't need it would have jumped on it just to flip it on eBay. Vault #1 would've been gone in less than 12 hours. That's how it is. People are people. I've learned a long time ago not to sleep on vinyl. Especially from Ten Club.
Well. Having "very low stock/limited" isn't one of the ten commandments and something Pearl Jam needs to have in a world when Adele can print up 500.000 copies (as in not "low stock/limited"). So sounds to me like a non-problem. Or a fabricated problem by Pearl Jam that is fan-unfriendly.
they shouldn't have limited stock on anything music-related. period. but since they do, they should:
a) not put it in the shop randomly for those of us that are here all the time to reap the benefits b) give all members a warning. c) make it always 1 per member. not 1 per order. that's dumb.
It was new merch from the 10th, right? So that really isn't random. I don't usually check the shop during the day, but I pretty much always check it on my lunch break on the 10th. I'm pretty sure it was up for a few hours before I checked and I still got one. But that is still a small window, should last a lot longer if they ordered a proper amount.
A lot still doesn't make sense. Like, why such a small order, seems like they could have sold a lot more? If it was ordered months ago so it could ship sooner, why not do a preoder months ago and make everyone happy?
sorry for the confusion. I was speaking more generally in terms of how they drop things here on the site with a "psssst" for people in this time zone that are awake at that time. I can't imagine being a big fan in Australia. you'd never get a damn thing.
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I think because it's not a regular vault release. It's a vault reissue.
Timely manner I doubt is a factor.
That being said, I agree with the rest of what you said. Ten Club could definitely do a better job with communication.
At this point I never really know what is the case with Ten Club sales. Is it limited, is it unlimited, is it going to retail, is it not going to retail... no matter what they right it feels like a tossup. So now I just buy it if I want it. I end up paying extra for anything that ends up going retail, but it's also gotten me a few things that sold out quick :(
I'm just suggesting it had an impact on their attitude about it, and why they didn't do it like all the other vault sales. I think they only chose to do it because people begged them to for so long, so they just threw it out there, like "okay, here!" Just a guess.
A lot still doesn't make sense. Like, why such a small order, seems like they could have sold a lot more? If it was ordered months ago so it could ship sooner, why not do a preoder months ago and make everyone happy?
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