Tomorrows the 10th

willbarclay

Hey, you can do whatever you want. Buy 50 copies for all I care.

I'm just saying, I don't get it.

mace1229

willbarclay said:

Hey, you can do whatever you want. Buy 50 copies for all I care.

I'm just saying, I don't get it.

I get what you're saying. I just don't get what is "sad" about extra copies (that wasn't you that said it, but what I was originally commenting on). I don't see unplayed extra copies as sad, anyone who wanted one had their chance.
I also don't get buying a single copy and keeping it sealed. If you collect vinyl, spin it.

Lost In Ohio

derbydave said:

HesCalledDyer said:

njnancy said:

Isn't Live At The Gorge missing"

No vinyl release of that one.

THAT would be sweet to have on vinyl!!!
How many records would this take?
I'd buy Live At The Gorge on vinyl in heartbeat.

Oh yes!

24 records would be insane...and that would be BEFORE the shipping and import taxes.

If they did a "best of" compilation, they'd have to include the Petty cover and Y Led from 7/22/06. There was an awesome Even Flow in there where I'd swear Matt starts the Why Go intro...that one would have to be included as well.

Heck, a whole side would have to be dedicated to the slow song intro from the 2006 show.

Lost In Ohio

rummy said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Vinyl isn't made for live albums. 

Maybe shorter compilations. 

But not 3h shows.

Does flipping the record interrupt the flow? I would guess it would.

It does. With the current vaults, you get one side uninterrupted, then two in a row, then another two...so on.

I'd prefer:
D/E
C/F
B/G
A/H

This would allow one stack of all records with one "big flip" midway through and no need to adjust the stack.

HesCalledDyer

Lost In Ohio said:

rummy said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Vinyl isn't made for live albums. 

Maybe shorter compilations. 

But not 3h shows.

Does flipping the record interrupt the flow? I would guess it would.

It does. With the current vaults, you get one side uninterrupted, then two in a row, then another two...so on.

I'd prefer:
D/E
C/F
B/G
A/H

This would allow one stack of all records with one "big flip" midway through and no need to adjust the stack.

That seems redundant.  You're still lifting a disc off the table and putting one back on.

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

willbarclay said:

Hey, you can do whatever you want. Buy 50 copies for all I care.

I'm just saying, I don't get it.

I get what you're saying. I just don't get what is "sad" about extra copies (that wasn't you that said it, but what I was originally commenting on). I don't see unplayed extra copies as sad, anyone who wanted one had their chance.
I also don't get buying a single copy and keeping it sealed. If you collect vinyl, spin it.

The "sad" part is that there are plenty of people out there now who would love an OG (doesn't matter why they didn't get one when it was released), and they can't find it at all because someone has 10 sealed copies of it on a shelf doing nothing. Fewer people are able to find and then spin and enjoy the record. Pretty simple. Anyway, i don't see why anyone would still be holding onto a ton of spares. The market is only going down now. Sell sell sell.

Lost In Ohio

HesCalledDyer said:

Lost In Ohio said:

rummy said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Vinyl isn't made for live albums. 

Maybe shorter compilations. 

But not 3h shows.

Does flipping the record interrupt the flow? I would guess it would.

It does. With the current vaults, you get one side uninterrupted, then two in a row, then another two...so on.

I'd prefer:
D/E
C/F
B/G
A/H

This would allow one stack of all records with one "big flip" midway through and no need to adjust the stack.

That seems redundant.  You're still lifting a disc off the table and putting one back on.

Ha!

Not to mention the potential issue of the master source. If it was recorded digitally, it wouldn't be better than the CD...but I'd imagine most of the vaults are that way.

NewJPage

Lost In Ohio said:

HesCalledDyer said:

Lost In Ohio said:

rummy said:

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Vinyl isn't made for live albums. 

Maybe shorter compilations. 

But not 3h shows.

Does flipping the record interrupt the flow? I would guess it would.

It does. With the current vaults, you get one side uninterrupted, then two in a row, then another two...so on.

I'd prefer:
D/E
C/F
B/G
A/H

This would allow one stack of all records with one "big flip" midway through and no need to adjust the stack.

That seems redundant.  You're still lifting a disc off the table and putting one back on.

Ha!

Not to mention the potential issue of the master source. If it was recorded digitally, it wouldn't be better than the CD...but I'd imagine most of the vaults are that way.

Recorded digitally does not mean recorded at cd quality 

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

willbarclay said:

Hey, you can do whatever you want. Buy 50 copies for all I care.

I'm just saying, I don't get it.

I get what you're saying. I just don't get what is "sad" about extra copies (that wasn't you that said it, but what I was originally commenting on). I don't see unplayed extra copies as sad, anyone who wanted one had their chance.
I also don't get buying a single copy and keeping it sealed. If you collect vinyl, spin it.

The "sad" part is that there are plenty of people out there now who would love an OG (doesn't matter why they didn't get one when it was released), and they can't find it at all because someone has 10 sealed copies of it on a shelf doing nothing. Fewer people are able to find and then spin and enjoy the record. Pretty simple. Anyway, i don't see why anyone would still be holding onto a ton of spares. The market is only going down now. Sell sell sell.

See, that's where I disagree. I assume most who are in that boat are just jumping in on the vinyl bandwagon.
I hate the vinyl bandwagon, I owned Vitalogy on vinyl before I got it on CD, and I was in the 7th grade. But this silly bandwagon has made it so expensive I just don't feel bad for those anymore.
I didn't buy certain albums, like RVM and Benny because at the time, as a poor college student, I didn't have the $60 to fork out at the time on a record and never imagined the prices would jump like they did.

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

willbarclay said:

Hey, you can do whatever you want. Buy 50 copies for all I care.

I'm just saying, I don't get it.

I get what you're saying. I just don't get what is "sad" about extra copies (that wasn't you that said it, but what I was originally commenting on). I don't see unplayed extra copies as sad, anyone who wanted one had their chance.
I also don't get buying a single copy and keeping it sealed. If you collect vinyl, spin it.

The "sad" part is that there are plenty of people out there now who would love an OG (doesn't matter why they didn't get one when it was released), and they can't find it at all because someone has 10 sealed copies of it on a shelf doing nothing. Fewer people are able to find and then spin and enjoy the record. Pretty simple. Anyway, i don't see why anyone would still be holding onto a ton of spares. The market is only going down now. Sell sell sell.

See, that's where I disagree. I assume most who are in that boat are just jumping in on the vinyl bandwagon.
I hate the vinyl bandwagon, I owned Vitalogy on vinyl before I got it on CD, and I was in the 7th grade. But this silly bandwagon has made it so expensive I just don't feel bad for those anymore.
I didn't buy certain albums, like RVM and Benny because at the time, as a poor college student, I didn't have the $60 to fork out at the time on a record and never imagined the prices would jump like they did.

I don't understand why you think "jumping on the vinyl bandwagon" is a bad thing to you, to the point where you don't think they deserve getting the album even though it's otherwise sitting on a shelf doing nothing. Isn't "jumping on the vinyl bandwagon" just a really negative way of saying "they finally discovered vinyl and are trying to catch up"?? Why do you seem to have something against people who realize they want to turn to or go back to vinyl? And why is the resurgence of vinyl silly?

mace1229

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

willbarclay said:

Hey, you can do whatever you want. Buy 50 copies for all I care.

I'm just saying, I don't get it.

I get what you're saying. I just don't get what is "sad" about extra copies (that wasn't you that said it, but what I was originally commenting on). I don't see unplayed extra copies as sad, anyone who wanted one had their chance.
I also don't get buying a single copy and keeping it sealed. If you collect vinyl, spin it.

The "sad" part is that there are plenty of people out there now who would love an OG (doesn't matter why they didn't get one when it was released), and they can't find it at all because someone has 10 sealed copies of it on a shelf doing nothing. Fewer people are able to find and then spin and enjoy the record. Pretty simple. Anyway, i don't see why anyone would still be holding onto a ton of spares. The market is only going down now. Sell sell sell.

See, that's where I disagree. I assume most who are in that boat are just jumping in on the vinyl bandwagon.
I hate the vinyl bandwagon, I owned Vitalogy on vinyl before I got it on CD, and I was in the 7th grade. But this silly bandwagon has made it so expensive I just don't feel bad for those anymore.
I didn't buy certain albums, like RVM and Benny because at the time, as a poor college student, I didn't have the $60 to fork out at the time on a record and never imagined the prices would jump like they did.

I don't understand why you think "jumping on the vinyl bandwagon" is a bad thing to you, to the point where you don't think they deserve getting the album even though it's otherwise sitting on a shelf doing nothing. Isn't "jumping on the vinyl bandwagon" just a really negative way of saying "they finally discovered vinyl and are trying to catch up"?? Why do you seem to have something against people who realize they want to turn to or go back to vinyl? And why is the resurgence of vinyl silly?

Not to the point where they don't deserve the album. But to the point where I don't feel sorry for anyone.
Lets me be clear, it isn't a negative way of saying "they finally discovered vinyl." It's a negative way of saying "you're only buying vinyl because it is now the cool thing to do." And it makes me, who doesn't care that it was cool because I literally remember being made fun of for buying records and not CDs in the 8th grade, pay more for it.

PJ_Soul

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

willbarclay said:

Hey, you can do whatever you want. Buy 50 copies for all I care.

I'm just saying, I don't get it.

I get what you're saying. I just don't get what is "sad" about extra copies (that wasn't you that said it, but what I was originally commenting on). I don't see unplayed extra copies as sad, anyone who wanted one had their chance.
I also don't get buying a single copy and keeping it sealed. If you collect vinyl, spin it.

The "sad" part is that there are plenty of people out there now who would love an OG (doesn't matter why they didn't get one when it was released), and they can't find it at all because someone has 10 sealed copies of it on a shelf doing nothing. Fewer people are able to find and then spin and enjoy the record. Pretty simple. Anyway, i don't see why anyone would still be holding onto a ton of spares. The market is only going down now. Sell sell sell.

See, that's where I disagree. I assume most who are in that boat are just jumping in on the vinyl bandwagon.
I hate the vinyl bandwagon, I owned Vitalogy on vinyl before I got it on CD, and I was in the 7th grade. But this silly bandwagon has made it so expensive I just don't feel bad for those anymore.
I didn't buy certain albums, like RVM and Benny because at the time, as a poor college student, I didn't have the $60 to fork out at the time on a record and never imagined the prices would jump like they did.

I don't understand why you think "jumping on the vinyl bandwagon" is a bad thing to you, to the point where you don't think they deserve getting the album even though it's otherwise sitting on a shelf doing nothing. Isn't "jumping on the vinyl bandwagon" just a really negative way of saying "they finally discovered vinyl and are trying to catch up"?? Why do you seem to have something against people who realize they want to turn to or go back to vinyl? And why is the resurgence of vinyl silly?

Not to the point where they don't deserve the album. But to the point where I don't feel sorry for anyone.
Lets me be clear, it isn't a negative way of saying "they finally discovered vinyl." It's a negative way of saying "you're only buying vinyl because it is now the cool thing to do." And it makes me, who doesn't care that it was cool because I literally remember being made fun of for buying records and not CDs in the 8th grade, pay more for it.

In that case, why do you seem to just assume that if they're doing it now they must be just doing it because it's cool? I'm sure there are people like that out there.... I've never met any of them though.

And I don't care about people paying MORE for them either. I do kinda care that items are being needlessly withheld from the market altogether though. I thought that was what we're talking about. I don't like vinyl hoarders - those who have multiple copies for no good reason besides compulsion. Not now that the prices have fallen off.

Tim Simmons

I think the vinyl bandwagon days are behind us. Having also bought vinyl since Vitalogy, I've seen the market demand move up and down in 25 years. Yeah, 4-5 years ago, there was some bandwagoning, now I think its people genuinely enjoy it. To what levels its enjoyed, well thats up for debate, but I don't think people are buying LPs just to have something to talk about when they have people over for cocktails. Yeah, a few years ago when Urban Outfitters brought it in and Target was selling tables, sure. Now I think people want tangible in an age where everything is digital and in a cloud.

RoleModelsinBlood31

If you don’t like people hanging onto scores of unopen vinyl, then there must be a lot of things you don’t like about the world we live in.  It occurs in every corner of society, if it can be stored, someone somewhere has a lot of it for whatever reason.  I’ll throw out my opinion even though it’s like a butthole, but people can do whatever the hell they want, it’s their life and their money and I’m cool with it.

and as far as the value of these things, it comes and goes.  It may be down now, but wait 20 years, who knows.  People do strange things with their money.

willbarclay

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

If you don’t like people hanging onto scores of unopen vinyl, then there must be a lot of things you don’t like about the world we live in.  It occurs in every corner of society, if it can be stored, someone somewhere has a lot of it for whatever reason.  I’ll throw out my opinion even though it’s like a butthole, but people can do whatever the hell they want, it’s their life and their money and I’m cool with it.

and as far as the value of these things, it comes and goes.  It may be down now, but wait 20 years, who knows.  People do strange things with their money.

The only thing that bothers me about your comment is your avatar 

PJ_Soul

RoleModelsinBlood31 said:

If you don’t like people hanging onto scores of unopen vinyl, then there must be a lot of things you don’t like about the world we live in.  It occurs in every corner of society, if it can be stored, someone somewhere has a lot of it for whatever reason.  I’ll throw out my opinion even though it’s like a butthole, but people can do whatever the hell they want, it’s their life and their money and I’m cool with it.

and as far as the value of these things, it comes and goes.  It may be down now, but wait 20 years, who knows.  People do strange things with their money.

I'm pretty sure it's universally understood that our opinions on a message board don't serve to tell people what they can and can't do.

mace1229

Tim Simmons said:

I think the vinyl bandwagon days are behind us. Having also bought vinyl since Vitalogy, I've seen the market demand move up and down in 25 years. Yeah, 4-5 years ago, there was some bandwagoning, now I think its people genuinely enjoy it. To what levels its enjoyed, well thats up for debate, but I don't think people are buying LPs just to have something to talk about when they have people over for cocktails. Yeah, a few years ago when Urban Outfitters brought it in and Target was selling tables, sure. Now I think people want tangible in an age where everything is digital and in a cloud.

I thought it might be on a decline as well, but haven't seen enough of a decline to be convinced. And it isnt just vinyl, a lot of the posters I've kept an eye on are selling for half the price as they were just a couple years ago. I don't know if they are connected and anything to do with the music industry is declining, or just PJ stuff or what.
But to PJ's point, there definitely were a lot who were into vinyl because of the fad. As you pointed out, even Urban Outfitters got in the game. It was definitely the cool thing to do. I just don't see how the explosion in popularity in vinyl can be explained by anything other than a fad. Not everyone of course, but something doesn't get this popular this fast without a large portion of it being just a fad.
And I'll be honest, I have never heard the difference, I Just enjoy it. I like things the old-fashioned way, the act of flipping a record, dropping the arm down, etc. Its part of the fun to me. I'll never buy a pellet BBQ for the same reason, I buy fireplace size pieces of hickory, apple and mesquite and cut it to the size I want and go through the labor of adding wood every 45 minutes when I smoke some pork or brisket.

PB11041

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think the vinyl bandwagon days are behind us. Having also bought vinyl since Vitalogy, I've seen the market demand move up and down in 25 years. Yeah, 4-5 years ago, there was some bandwagoning, now I think its people genuinely enjoy it. To what levels its enjoyed, well thats up for debate, but I don't think people are buying LPs just to have something to talk about when they have people over for cocktails. Yeah, a few years ago when Urban Outfitters brought it in and Target was selling tables, sure. Now I think people want tangible in an age where everything is digital and in a cloud.

I thought it might be on a decline as well, but haven't seen enough of a decline to be convinced. And it isnt just vinyl, a lot of the posters I've kept an eye on are selling for half the price as they were just a couple years ago. I don't know if they are connected and anything to do with the music industry is declining, or just PJ stuff or what.
But to PJ's point, there definitely were a lot who were into vinyl because of the fad. As you pointed out, even Urban Outfitters got in the game. It was definitely the cool thing to do. I just don't see how the explosion in popularity in vinyl can be explained by anything other than a fad. Not everyone of course, but something doesn't get this popular this fast without a large portion of it being just a fad.
And I'll be honest, I have never heard the difference, I Just enjoy it. I like things the old-fashioned way, the act of flipping a record, dropping the arm down, etc. Its part of the fun to me. I'll never buy a pellet BBQ for the same reason, I buy fireplace size pieces of hickory, apple and mesquite and cut it to the size I want and go through the labor of adding wood every 45 minutes when I smoke some pork or brisket.

anything that catches a fire will have an element of fad to it, but there is more to the resurgence than simply fad.  

CP218430

I finally got a record player and this is the first hobby I've had that isn't running or writing in years. It's just fun. I actually like the sound. Bandwagon? Sure. But it's fun trading my old stuff for records. It's fun trying to find the stuff I had on cd on vinyl. I like going in record stores and flipping through the used section like I used to do in bookstores. It's a hobby; if it was a side business or a way of life then it would be weird but it's just a bunch of like minded people into music and trading stuff. To me, that's fun. But I'm oldish. 

Vedd Hedd

mace1229 said:

Tim Simmons said:

I think the vinyl bandwagon days are behind us. Having also bought vinyl since Vitalogy, I've seen the market demand move up and down in 25 years. Yeah, 4-5 years ago, there was some bandwagoning, now I think its people genuinely enjoy it. To what levels its enjoyed, well thats up for debate, but I don't think people are buying LPs just to have something to talk about when they have people over for cocktails. Yeah, a few years ago when Urban Outfitters brought it in and Target was selling tables, sure. Now I think people want tangible in an age where everything is digital and in a cloud.

I thought it might be on a decline as well, but haven't seen enough of a decline to be convinced. And it isnt just vinyl, a lot of the posters I've kept an eye on are selling for half the price as they were just a couple years ago. I don't know if they are connected and anything to do with the music industry is declining, or just PJ stuff or what.
But to PJ's point, there definitely were a lot who were into vinyl because of the fad. As you pointed out, even Urban Outfitters got in the game. It was definitely the cool thing to do. I just don't see how the explosion in popularity in vinyl can be explained by anything other than a fad. Not everyone of course, but something doesn't get this popular this fast without a large portion of it being just a fad.
And I'll be honest, I have never heard the difference, I Just enjoy it. I like things the old-fashioned way, the act of flipping a record, dropping the arm down, etc. Its part of the fun to me. I'll never buy a pellet BBQ for the same reason, I buy fireplace size pieces of hickory, apple and mesquite and cut it to the size I want and go through the labor of adding wood every 45 minutes when I smoke some pork or brisket.

I would argue that records sound better and real firewood smoked brisket and shoulder taste better.