Fan Club Scalpers

Amongst the Ani

If you want this person banned do not contact them. Let Santos do his thing. If everyone starts sending him hate mail the ad will go down and they will sell them day of show at the event and will never be found/banned.

PJ tries hard to stop this so we just need to let 10c do their thing. Linkin Park let you sign up for their fan club during the club pre-sale right on ticketmaster when you bought 'their fan club' tickets, which happened to be GA. If you go look on stubhub there are hundreds of fan club tickets for sale for each show. That is shatting on your true fans for extra fan club dues. After hearing the Sublime beef with them I get it. Linkin Park are douches.

Despite all that happens people here are generally respectful and I 10c does a good job keeping everyone on the straight and narrow. Just report it to 10c and don't get your panties in a wad too much over it. Overall people are here for their love of PJ minus a few tools.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

So this guy is selling his fan club tickets for a profit?

No different than the lying, cheating, and backstabbing I have witnessed over the years, in regards to the precious tickets.

lolobugg

oftenreading said:

So, lolobugg, you think this scalper is a kind of modern day Jean Valjean? Santos will have to be our Javert.

OMG.. i feel stupid because I had to look up your reference... )

I guess maybe I was projecting a little. but i am against violence. I wonder if Santos identified him yet? Does anyone know if the posting is still up on Craigslist?

SV45424

there's another jag bag selling his milwaukee GA pair for $2300+ APIECE! Insane. Scalpers becoming fan club members for this very reason. Taking advantage of the real diehard fans that miss out on lottery tickets.

Brane_of_JFK

SV45424 said:

there's another jag bag selling his milwaukee GA pair for $2300+ APIECE! Insane. Scalpers becoming fan club members for this very reason. Taking advantage of the real diehard fans that miss out on lottery tickets.

Who the hell in their right mind would even pay that?? I wouldn't even pay close to that for GUARANTEED front row seats...

WhatYouTaughtMe

lolobugg said:

oftenreading said:

So, lolobugg, you think this scalper is a kind of modern day Jean Valjean? Santos will have to be our Javert.

OMG.. i feel stupid because I had to look up your reference... )

I guess maybe I was projecting a little. but i am against violence. I wonder if Santos identified him yet? Does anyone know if the posting is still up on Craigslist?

Yes it is still up and it is now 1500 dollars.

quimby20

I attempted to contact him and he is not answering any emails... I think he is pricing the market

PJ_Soul

SV45424 said:

there's another jag bag selling his milwaukee GA pair for $2300+ APIECE! Insane. Scalpers becoming fan club members for this very reason. Taking advantage of the real diehard fans that miss out on lottery tickets.

Tell Santos where you saw the ad.

Zod

PJ_Soul said:

That is not actually true. Hardly any scalpers mess with fan club tix. Not worth the trouble.

I would disagree. Last year when it was a new thing I don't think scalpers had much (if any time) to adjust to the new system of a GA pit section in the front. Now that Pearl Jam has sort of set it as their new path, scalpers can now expect it. All they have to do is sign up all of their staff for memberships for $20/piece. If they enter GA for each one, even with a 1/5 chance, thats a pair of GA tickets for $100 premium. They can probably sell them for thousands because they are so hard to get. It's a huge incentive.

The longer they do a seperate lotto for the GA the more ripe it is for abuse. I would think the easy way to deal with it, is to do one lotto per show, and random draw for GA (include an opt out button for people that don't want ga). That way you don't know if you are GA until you show up the day of the show. Scalpers know they have GA well in advance, they can coordinate to pick up the tickets and deliver them day of the show. If they don't know they have GA tickets months in advance then it would be really hard.

The GA system is ripe open for abuse so I don't know if it's a good idea to use it for a prolonged period of time.

MayDay10

^^^ yup. Well put.

Thats my biggest (and nearly only) complaint with this system, and one that is easily corrected.

They don't even need to have a 2nd draw/lottery. Just mix up the selection to make it easy. Pick the 200xxxs or the 400xxxs, or all 10c numbers that end between 600-800.

If the GA drawing was "shielded", there is much less incentive to stack memberships, get friends to sign up, spouse "memberships", multiple friends trying (and getting) tickets when they only need a pair... because frankly, I dont want an 80% chance of getting stuck with 550xxx 10c tickets.

Its nice that the newer fans get a shot at GA, so they still have that. This change wouldnt exclude anyone.

PJ_Soul

Zod said:

PJ_Soul said:

That is not actually true. Hardly any scalpers mess with fan club tix. Not worth the trouble.

I would disagree. Last year when it was a new thing I don't think scalpers had much (if any time) to adjust to the new system of a GA pit section in the front. Now that Pearl Jam has sort of set it as their new path, scalpers can now expect it. All they have to do is sign up all of their staff for memberships for $20/piece. If they enter GA for each one, even with a 1/5 chance, thats a pair of GA tickets for $100 premium. They can probably sell them for thousands because they are so hard to get. It's a huge incentive.

The longer they do a seperate lotto for the GA the more ripe it is for abuse. I would think the easy way to deal with it, is to do one lotto per show, and random draw for GA (include an opt out button for people that don't want ga). That way you don't know if you are GA until you show up the day of the show. Scalpers know they have GA well in advance, they can coordinate to pick up the tickets and deliver them day of the show. If they don't know they have GA tickets months in advance then it would be really hard.

The GA system is ripe open for abuse so I don't know if it's a good idea to use it for a prolonged period of time.

My best friend's brother is a major ticket broker and he has connections with scalpers all over north America in major cities (sorry to say - I don't respect what he does). He told me that scalpers just don't bother with this shit. Hardly ever. Way too much trouble for most scalpers, and they don't like to risk getting called out by the fan clubs or the fans. I trust this guy's knowledge of the industry, since he is a pretty big player within it.

dimitrispearljam

Zod said:

PJ_Soul said:

That is not actually true. Hardly any scalpers mess with fan club tix. Not worth the trouble.

I would disagree. Last year when it was a new thing I don't think scalpers had much (if any time) to adjust to the new system of a GA pit section in the front. Now that Pearl Jam has sort of set it as their new path, scalpers can now expect it. All they have to do is sign up all of their staff for memberships for $20/piece. If they enter GA for each one, even with a 1/5 chance, thats a pair of GA tickets for $100 premium. They can probably sell them for thousands because they are so hard to get. It's a huge incentive.

The longer they do a seperate lotto for the GA the more ripe it is for abuse. I would think the easy way to deal with it, is to do one lotto per show, and random draw for GA (include an opt out button for people that don't want ga). That way you don't know if you are GA until you show up the day of the show. Scalpers know they have GA well in advance, they can coordinate to pick up the tickets and deliver them day of the show. If they don't know they have GA tickets months in advance then it would be really hard.

The GA system is ripe open for abuse so I don't know if it's a good idea to use it for a prolonged period of time.

How many ids u have??how many different tickets can u pick up with the same name..wjile 10c not allowed same meberships..with the same face??how many shows will be at your hometown so no need to travel to other towns to pick them the day of the show??where u can list fan club ticket and not get reported to 10c the same day?
What will be your reserved seats so tell the buyer where his seats are since will know after u take them in hand?
when u join the club if dont know when will tour??and when thwy announce tour u cant be able to score tix after the announcement?
let me tell u what a pro scalper does...he buy frkm ticketmasrer 50 tix...best in the house besides fan club...not paying 20$membership to 10c and sells them online without move his ass from his couch..

PJ_Soul

dimitrispearljam said:

Zod said:

PJ_Soul said:

That is not actually true. Hardly any scalpers mess with fan club tix. Not worth the trouble.

I would disagree. Last year when it was a new thing I don't think scalpers had much (if any time) to adjust to the new system of a GA pit section in the front. Now that Pearl Jam has sort of set it as their new path, scalpers can now expect it. All they have to do is sign up all of their staff for memberships for $20/piece. If they enter GA for each one, even with a 1/5 chance, thats a pair of GA tickets for $100 premium. They can probably sell them for thousands because they are so hard to get. It's a huge incentive.

The longer they do a seperate lotto for the GA the more ripe it is for abuse. I would think the easy way to deal with it, is to do one lotto per show, and random draw for GA (include an opt out button for people that don't want ga). That way you don't know if you are GA until you show up the day of the show. Scalpers know they have GA well in advance, they can coordinate to pick up the tickets and deliver them day of the show. If they don't know they have GA tickets months in advance then it would be really hard.

The GA system is ripe open for abuse so I don't know if it's a good idea to use it for a prolonged period of time.

How many ids u have??how many different tickets can u pick up with the same name..wjile 10c not allowed same meberships..with the same face??how many shows will be at your hometown so no need to travel to other towns to pick them the day of the show??where u can list fan club ticket and not get reported to 10c the same day?
What will be your reserved seats so tell the buyer where his seats are since will know after u take them in hand?
when u join the club if dont know when will tour??and when thwy announce tour u cant be able to score tix after the announcement?
let me tell u what a pro scalper does...he buy frkm ticketmasrer 50 tix...best in the house besides fan club...not paying 20$membership to 10c and sells them online without move his ass from his couch..

Exactly.

MayDay10

I basically have 2-3 accounts I can readily throw into the ring and go for GA tickets for myself. My wife has an account and doesnt even realize it. I am also friends with 3 people local, in 10c who dont go to all the shows I do who would help me out. I would easily be able to borrow ID to pick up the tickets for a night or 2.

Any extras, I dont think Id sell... but I can trade for other GA tickets if I get "stuck" with another pair.

I cant wrap my head around why anyone could be against 1 lottery for every show, with an additional "lottery" for GA.

shortstack

members must sell their unwanted tickets to scalpers right outside the venue after they pick them up at will call. an obvious scalper leaning against his car in london asked me if i needed an upgrade to fan club tickets as i walked by.

quimby20

Personally I like this system and I see a lot of people posting the negatives of this system. Even if I get 10 separate memberships, I still need to be at that venue to pick up the tickets. If a scalper wins all 10, that is 10 people who have to show up to pick up the tickets. Expenses will get quite high. the people who are selling these tickets are not scalper but opportunist he would rather have the money then see the band. They will get caught. Again it all comes back to the elitist mentality of membership seniority. The 1%....

MayDay10

I think "scalper" is a bit misused. I dont think we are talking about the agencies/networks/businesses so much (although this system is a bit more appealing as it specifies best in house seat location months in advance).

Its those flippers amongst us who would step over anyone to get what they want, have their own PJ ebay "stores" (Ive seen them). They are out there and this system is ripe to abuse. And no, Im not saying F5. Just tuck GA away into the entire pool.

PJ_Soul

MayDay10 said:

I basically have 2-3 accounts I can readily throw into the ring and go for GA tickets for myself. My wife has an account and doesnt even realize it. I am also friends with 3 people local, in 10c who dont go to all the shows I do who would help me out. I would easily be able to borrow ID to pick up the tickets for a night or 2.

Any extras, I dont think Id sell... but I can trade for other GA tickets if I get "stuck" with another pair.

I cant wrap my head around why anyone could be against 1 lottery for every show, with an additional "lottery" for GA.

Is anyone against that idea? I don't think I've seen anyone say they didn't think having a second lottery for GA was a bad idea. This is pretty obviously the one improvement that 10C could make that no one would be disappointed about, no?

scurtis

PJ_Soul said:

scurtis said:

mcrok said:

they could do the ticketless entry...you'd have to swipe your credit card at the gate to get in...i see it coming

Agree.

Went to two Red Hot Chili Peppers' shows last year and they were ticketless.

The problem there is that not everyone bought their tix with their own credit card. I'm sure there are tons of people who got someone else to pay for their tix for them but don't bring them to the show. I.e. teenagers, spouses of the one who paid, people who were broke and got a friend to pay, etc.

I honestly don't remember how it went down. But I'm pretty sure they only gave the tickets to the card holder, you had to bring your visa that you used to pay for the tickets and your ID.

I also think it was just for floor seats, I'm really not 100% though, I guess my memory isn't that good.

I do remember the show was a complete joke cause Kiedis kept leaving the stage and seemed totally uninterested in being there. He probably left the stage a half dozen times. But that's for a different thread. haha

dimitrispearljam

MayDay10 said:

I basically have 2-3 accounts I can readily throw into the ring and go for GA tickets for myself. My wife has an account and doesnt even realize it. I am also friends with 3 people local, in 10c who dont go to all the shows I do who would help me out. I would easily be able to borrow ID to pick up the tickets for a night or 2.

Any extras, I dont think Id sell... but I can trade for other GA tickets if I get "stuck" with another pair.

I cant wrap my head around why anyone could be against 1 lottery for every show, with an additional "lottery" for GA.

I hear ya..but is your right u and wife have different acounts..and if u both score u can trade for another show...but isnt scalping..u dknt make any profit of it..u dont resell tix for money...
personaly i have one account..is enough..if i dknt score the show i want..ill find the way to be in the show