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Scratchin a Letter

redrock wrote:

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:eek: You mean.... you're on another forum? :eek: :( I thought you were exclusive to us on here!

Bad news about the job, my cunting work require a months cunting notice, but the new job begins on 19 March, i.e. less than a cunting month. And if I'm stuck writing cunting brochures until the 2nd of April, I won't be able to do it :mad: There HAS to be some way around this. If not, I'll be unemployed and back to square one without any light at the end of the tunnel. AAAARGH! STRESS!!! ETC!!!

redrock

V V wrote:

oh was it not all fan club tix holders then ? shiiiite
**looks at trains**

Not sure how to read it... It would seem it wasn't but then.. I'll ask audiodave...

redrock

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

:eek: You mean.... you're on another forum? :eek: :( I thought you were exclusive to us on here!

Bad news about the job, my cunting work require a months cunting notice, but the new job begins on 19 March, i.e. less than a cunting month. And if I'm stuck writing cunting brochures until the 2nd of April, I won't be able to do it :mad: There HAS to be some way around this. If not, I'll be unemployed and back to square one without any light at the end of the tunnel. AAAARGH! STRESS!!! ETC!!!

Do you know that you are not legally required to give notice? OK.. if you just pack up and go, you won't get a reference.. but the company cannot hold you back. Give notice saying your last working day is 18th March due to you starting a new job on the 19th and be done with it.

EDIT.. you can also tag on all the holidays due to you until the day you leave...

V V

yes Rob u cant let the car ppl mess it up for u ! let the new ppl know or check they didnt want any more ref. type stuff.

dunkman

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

:eek: You mean.... you're on another forum? :eek: :( I thought you were exclusive to us on here!

Bad news about the job, my cunting work require a months cunting notice, but the new job begins on 19 March, i.e. less than a cunting month. And if I'm stuck writing cunting brochures until the 2nd of April, I won't be able to do it :mad: There HAS to be some way around this. If not, I'll be unemployed and back to square one without any light at the end of the tunnel. AAAARGH! STRESS!!! ETC!!!

are you paid weekly? if so then by law all you have to give is 1 week!

also, if you leave a company and give them 2 weeks notice but your terms and conditions state one month... then give them 2 weeks... they cant actually do anything... ok they can take you to court but they wont as if they lose then they have to pay the costs and hire lawyers, etc... whereas all you'll have to do is give them 2 weeks of your pay for the missing weeks


go to http://www.tiger.gov.uk for more legal jargon :cool:

Scratchin a Letter

redrock wrote:

Do you know that you are not legally required to give notice? OK.. if you just pack up and go, you won't get a reference.. but the company cannot hold you back. Give notice saying your last working day is 18th March due to you starting a new job on the 19th and be done with it.

EDIT.. you can also tag on all the holidays due to you until the day you leave...

Tried it. They won't allow it.

Besides, I NEED a reference from them, as it'll determine my skills and level of competence for getting started with the new one. I'm not exactly on good terms with them, and if I were to walk out I'd be sure my chief of staff (who is the biggest bastard I have ever known) would happily go out of his way to sabotage my future. A girl quit a few months ago due to personal reasons, he refused to sign her month-in-hand wages she was owed. She tried taking him to court but he got out of it.

On top of all that it's taken me months and months to find this golden opportunity and I won't find anything like it anytime soon.

Thanks for the help though, it's calmed me down a litle bit.

dunkman

redrock wrote:

Do you know that you are not legally required to give notice?

unfortunately you are... if he has signed a contract that states within his terms and conditions he must give 4 weeks notice then thats what he must do

from DirectGov.uk

Statutory notice periods
Notice you must give your employer
The statutory minimum amount of notice you must give is one week when you've worked for your employer for one month or more. If your contract requires you to give more notice than one week then you should give it.

More about resigning from your job

dunkman

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

Tried it. They won't allow it.

its not up to them

contact ACAS as well... they'll offer proper, legal advice free of charge.. brilliant organisation!


what does your contract say?


i would just walk if i was you... it'd be shitload of hassle for them to chase you for 2 weeks notice.

also, your new employer? did you tell them at the interview that you must give a months notice... anyway, contact them and tell them the situation... surely they would be aware that some notice would be needed?!!?!?

Scratchin a Letter

dunkman wrote:

unfortunately you do... if he has signed a contract that states within his terms and conditions he must give 4 weeks notice then thats what he must do

from DirectGov.uk

Statutory notice periods
Notice you must give your employer
The statutory minimum amount of notice you must give is one week when you've worked for your employer for one month or more. If your contract requires you to give more notice than one week then you should give it.

More about resigning from your job

That's it. My contract states that if in the event of resignation I am required to give one month's (dependant on the month resignation is given-this period may be 28 days, 30 days or 31 days) notice to the chief of staff/HR manager on the corresponding Friday.

Plus I am due a months wages, as I worked the first two in hand. If I were to fuck off early I wouldn't see a penny of it.

Bastards

dunkman

giver your boss this link :- http://www.dti.gov.uk/employment/employment-legislation/employment-guidance/page18474.html


and read this bit out to him

Notice to be given by an employee

An employee is required to give his or her employer at least one week’s notice if employed continuously for one month or more by that employer. This minimum is unaffected by longer service.

dunkman

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

That's it. My contract states that if in the event of resignation I am required to give one month's (dependant on the month resignation is given-this period may be 28 days, 30 days or 31 days) notice to the chief of staff/HR manager on the corresponding Friday.

Plus I am due a months wages, as I worked the first two in hand. If I were to fuck off early I wouldn't see a penny of it.

Bastards

i'd still walk

redrock

dunkman wrote:

unfortunately you are...

what I meant is that it doesn't hold up in court or anything. One can just bugger off with no (or little) consequences (except for reference). Where monies are due, the company has to pay whether the employee just left suddenly or with proper notice....

Heineken Helen

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

Tried it. They won't allow it.

Besides, I NEED a reference from them, as it'll determine my skills and level of competence for getting started with the new one. I'm not exactly on good terms with them, and if I were to walk out I'd be sure my chief of staff (who is the biggest bastard I have ever known) would happily go out of his way to sabotage my future. A girl quit a few months ago due to personal reasons, he refused to sign her month-in-hand wages she was owed. She tried taking him to court but he got out of it.

On top of all that it's taken me months and months to find this golden opportunity and I won't find anything like it anytime soon.

Thanks for the help though, it's calmed me down a litle bit.

:eek: the fuckers :mad: . If you really want the job, just walk. Can anyone else give you a reference? I was in that situation once, I gave them two weeks notice, they told me I had to work the month, I said ok and walked after two weeks. The director tried to hold back my wages, which after a fight I got, then she tried to hold back my holiday pay so I called the owner of the company and he sorted it out the following day. Yes, they can be pricks but that money is owed to you for work DONE regardless of what conditions you leave under. At the time, I got loads of advice from solicitors about this - They MUST pay you, and THEN if they have complaints about you leaving early, they can take you to court, they won't. They didn't bring ME to court and I got my immediate boss to write my reference, which he gave me a glowing one.

Heineken Helen

redrock wrote:

what I meant is that it doesn't hold up in court or anything. One can just bugger off with no (or little) consequences (except for reference). Where monies are due, the company has to pay whether the employee just left suddenly or with proper notice....

Exactly! It would hold up in court though, only no employer is going to bother.

It would be different if you're a CEO of a multi-national company or something but I don't think you are are ya?

dunkman

redrock wrote:

what I meant is that it doesn't hold up in court or anything....

say that then freak although as Hells pointed out, it actually would hold up in court :(


as Helen, Red and I are saying... just go Rob... a company would need to take you to court and they just wont do that!!!

also if they did you could "whistle blow" and tell, say, the Trading Standards office of any underhand dealings you witnessed, any illegal health and safety breaches, etc

also... as for a reference, get someone else to do it, and its also illegal to write a reference that portrays you badly if you havent done anything other than leave the company

good sick record
no disciplinaries
level of work
etc

if they have had no complaint of your work in the last year(s) you've been there then the reference would be illegal.

dunkman

Heineken Helen wrote:

Exactly! It would hold up in court though, only no employer is going to bother.

thats what i was saying as well Hells... i think Red said "Do you know that you are not legally required to give notice?" and all i'm saying is that you actually are but that no employer is going to chase you through small claims courts for a few hundred quid!


i'm sorry.. i used to be a Human Resources manager... i had to learn all this shit and just as i was getting good at it until i got a graphic design job

Scratchin a Letter

dunkman wrote:

say that then freak although as Hells pointed out, it actually would hold up in court :(


as Helen, Red and I are saying... just go Rob... a company would need to take you to court and they just wont do that!!!

also if they did you could "whistle blow" and tell, say, the Trading Standards office of any underhand dealings you witnessed, any illegal health and safety breaches, etc

also... as for a reference, get someone else to do it, and its also illegal to write a reference that portrays you badly if you havent done anything other than leave the company

good sick record
no disciplinaries
level of work
etc

if they have had no complaint of your work in the last year(s) you've been there then the reference would be illegal.

That's an idea...

Will get back to yas.

jrd

Scratchin a Letter wrote:

Tried it. They won't allow it.

what ? they won't allow you to add on the holiday you're owed ? they have to don't they...?
of course, they might not let you book your leave from March 19th... but that's just being a bunch of twats... :(

surely your new place will be a bit flexible - you were only offered the job the other day and they must realise that 1 month's notice is fairly standard policy...?

dunkman

jrd wrote:

surely your new place will be a bit flexible - you were only offered the job the other day and they must realise that 1 month's notice is fairly standard policy...?

i thought that as well... most places realise that people need to hand in 1 months notice.


good luck Rob!!

Irish Al

I know its not ideal Rob but you could always go sick for two weeks with the stress of the situation Don't worry dude, they'll try and be a pain in the ass but you'll get out of it and start a wonderful new job that sparks the beginning of a new life