Ten Club Seniority?

PP193448

So basically what would you want as a senior fan club member?
Win tics for all shows this fall with the best seats because you have been paying money to the band to support them for so long?
Have you not had any perks at all all those years? Did you not have great seats for many shows? Even if you chose not to go to shows, you still had the opportunity to purchase tics knowing that you would have great seats if you did attend?
There are many young people who have gotten to know PJ music and have become new members. Why would they even consider joining the club if they knew that based on seniority that they would never ever be close enough to the stage to be worthwhile going to the concert.
Like someone posted before. It's a business about making money. The more people that listen to PJ music and become ten club members, the more money. Otherwise there would be like 50,000 members who all get to go to every concert with the same exact seat number at every show.
You people are spoiled. Go look in your closet of PJ items of stuff being sold for 5-10 times what you paid for it yrs ago as a senior member, then let me know what other perks you want to keep whining about not getting. Next this will spill into limited merch sale items...
I've been a fan club member for blah blah long, and I deserve to have the first opportunity to buy something limited or rare, but if I don't then it can be released to the other lower class members.
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BinFrog

PP193448 said:

There are many young people who have gotten to know PJ music and have become new members. Why would they even consider joining the club if they knew that based on seniority that they would never ever be close enough to the stage to be worthwhile going to the concert.

Because they will STILL be closer than all non-fan club members in the arena.

PJ and Dylan are my muse

PP193448 said:

So basically what would you want as a senior fan club member?

This:

First cater to members by hometown. Anyone in IL, gets 1st dibs on Moline BY SENORITY...unless more than one account holder has the same address (to block the spouse membership winning as well). In that case only one account holder at the address can/should win the hometown show.
Same for Milwaukee, anyone in WI
Same for St. Louis, anyone in MO
Etc., etc., etc....

So for the 5k (or whatever) 10C people entering from IL, lottery who get's GA then all the rest get seats BY SENORITY as is the case now.

Then go BY SENORITY for any that want out of town shows AFTER in state people get their's. I would have no problem with an MO 4xx,xxx getting a STL before me if I lived in IL.

But what about one off's like Wrigley or PJ20 you say? Easy...start with in state first BY SENORITY, then use a mileage circle BY SENORITY. Does that suck for Europe/Asia, etc.? Yup, but they get their own tours.

Finally, open up each show to as many 10C tickets as people wish to purchase. They, 10C people, should get SENORITY over the scalpers and the "public". Plenty of 10C people will bring someone from the "public" and the scalpers will be shut out. If anything, set aside a random 10-25% of seats across the whole venue for the public.

These types of data sets are not difficult to prepare and it would make it fair to the people that have put in the time, energy and costs over the many years. However 10C should also limit how many shows you can win to your hometown and one other. If you want to "do the tour", then find other fans that you can swap with or go public. Who the #ell needs to see more than four shows?

It all seems very simple to me. Please, I am open to hearing why THIS should not be the way it works each time there is a show/tour.

Indifference71

PJ and Dylan are my muse said:

PP193448 said:

So basically what would you want as a senior fan club member?

Finally, open up each show to as many 10C tickets as people wish to purchase. They, 10C people, should get SENORITY over the scalpers and the "public". Plenty of 10C people will bring someone from the "public" and the scalpers will be shut out. If anything, set aside a random 10-25% of seats across the whole venue for the public.

This will not happen. Fan clubs are limited to how many tickets they can get for each show. I think it's usually somewhere around 10%.

josevolution

Why debate this the majority rules , everybody who had high numbers bitched enough about the senior members like myself and 10C RESPONDED case closed it is what it is .....Go and enjoy the Music

lolobugg

josevolution said:

Why debate this the majority rules , everybody who had high numbers bitched enough about the senior members like myself and 10C RESPONDED case closed it is what it is .....Go and enjoy the Music

Def true.... move on peoples... i lost out too, but you know what the odds were.
In hindsight, I guess us old timers should have started a union.... hahahaha

bgirl59

Comments like those made by GMONEY are what give this Forum a bad name.
How on earth can anyone be shut out of a Pearl Jam concert? Please shut down your device and take a nap.
Peace

locked

I have been a member since 1994.
There have been consecutive tours which I have been shut out of.. Despite my low # including 1998, 2000, 2010 and PJ20.
But when I scored seats they have been pretty amazing.
The "lottery" has not changed this system at all.
It's still the best $20 you can spend on any membership
(Not to mention access to all the posters at $40 a piece !)

No bitching here!
Scotty in Boston

jervin007

Indifference71 said:

PJ and Dylan are my muse said:

PP193448 said:

So basically what would you want as a senior fan club member?

Finally, open up each show to as many 10C tickets as people wish to purchase. They, 10C people, should get SENORITY over the scalpers and the "public". Plenty of 10C people will bring someone from the "public" and the scalpers will be shut out. If anything, set aside a random 10-25% of seats across the whole venue for the public.

This will not happen. Fan clubs are limited to how many tickets they can get for each show. I think it's usually somewhere around 10%.

Exactly. I am sure they would distribute more fan clubs tickets if they could, especially in major markets. Sadly, ticketmaster/livenation dictates how many fanclub tickets are available.

susannj

locked said:

I have been a member since 1994.
There have been consecutive tours which I have been shut out of.. Despite my low # including 1998, 2000, 2010 and PJ20.
But when I scored seats they have been pretty amazing.
The "lottery" has not changed this system at all.
It's still the best $20 you can spend on any membership
(Not to mention access to all the posters at $40 a piece !)

No bitching here!
Scotty in Boston

I agree (I have a low # too) but just wish they would bring back the seating in front of the stage... I miss being that close....

Vedd Hedd

I am member 18XXXX. In San Diego, I sat in the side section, row 8 or 9 ....right behind Ed's mom.

krentistthedentist

I would say seniority is respected pretty well here, probably better than most fan clubs (the only other paid fan club I've ever had access to was Iron Maiden. They just sent out a ticketmaster code that was limited to 4 tix / show. No consideration for seniority). I guess I see why some people might be sore that they can't get into every show but, I mean, if you do win the lottery as a senior member it isn't like you won't be taken care of by Ten Club.

I'm grateful to those who kept the club afloat all these years, really. But if ticketing was run like some of the senior members here are suggesting, I wouldn't be because I wouldn't care about the fan club because it'd be a stupid investment from my perspective (& the perspective of every other new/prospective member).

Anyhow plenty of acts are going the route where GA floor is more beneficial/geared towards to younger fans anyway (Neil Young/U2 GA floor = $100 or less. Lower bowl = $250+.) Pearl Jam is doing this (as they probably should be. See preceding paragraph) and keeping prices down across the board. C'mon.

There's really nothing to complain about.

Kanye East

Bunch of whiners. I love the 10c and think something needed to be done with the system. Is this system perfect? No. But it works. I love the GA idea. Im sure the band did get sick of seeing the same old faces in the front rows at every show. Its about time they let some new people get that experience. I have a middle of the road # 239xxx, and i usually get decent seats, but nothing spectacular.

bootlegger10

Kanye East said:

Bunch of whiners. I love the 10c and think something needed to be done with the system. Is this system perfect? No. But it works. I love the GA idea. Im sure the band did get sick of seeing the same old faces in the front rows at every show. Its about time they let some new people get that experience. I have a middle of the road # 239xxx, and i usually get decent seats, but nothing spectacular.

Not easy getting used to a system where you go from getting shows you wanted to getting none you wanted.

pledgeagrievance

Why are people lobbying for a hometown ticketing priority? The club is basically doing that now. Make the show closest to where you live your #1 priority when you prioritize your picks.

Zod

Indifference71 said:

PJ and Dylan are my muse said:

PP193448 said:

So basically what would you want as a senior fan club member?

Finally, open up each show to as many 10C tickets as people wish to purchase. They, 10C people, should get SENORITY over the scalpers and the "public". Plenty of 10C people will bring someone from the "public" and the scalpers will be shut out. If anything, set aside a random 10-25% of seats across the whole venue for the public.

This will not happen. Fan clubs are limited to how many tickets they can get for each show. I think it's usually somewhere around 10%.

I don't think a lot of people realize that. There so hung up on lottery vs. f5, that they don't look at the other factors and why demand demand is way higher than ticket supply. Ticketmaster's policy of limiting fan club tickets is a big one. As a long time member I've been to shows where it felt like more than half the arena were fan club members (especially shows on the 98/00 tours). It really seems to have dwindled since then. I think the 10c managed to stave it off for a while, but whatever leverage they had seems to be gone. Their allocation of tickets has really shrunk. We have:

1) More Fan Club Members (I think there were only 35 to 40000 members in 2000 when senoirity came in)
2) Less Tickets (see my comments above)
3) Less Shows

It doesn't bode well at all. Even if the 10c was still using the old F5 system, it would be way hard to get tickets now that it would of been when they first started using it.

There's not much that can be done.

pledgeagrievance: I completely agree. I think people get frustrated with all the out of town fans coming in for shows (espectially when they don't get tickets to a show in their own city). The problem isn't with the out of town fans, it's with Pearl Jam's lack of touring. People have to travel. Pearl Jam barely plays anywere. Hence why it's done by preference instead of hometown. Otherwise most of the 10c fan base would never get to see a show.

bootlegger10

While the band is pretty popular, shows in the midwest were a piece of cake to get in 2010 and in 2014 they were very difficult to get. I can't imagine things changed that much, but maybe they have.

I wonder if the GA floor is causing more to travel (even more than before). I also wonder if GA is creating more scalpers as seniority isn't a factor in seat quality and it is easier to sell ahead of time (or line up a deal).

HesCalledDyer

wilfmiss said:

This is an interesting read...

http://www.twofeetthick.com/2003/04/ten-club-ticket-history/

Ah what a great article! I remember those 2003 instructions to the T. Those damn index cards... I must've looked over mine for an hour just making sure I got them right.

PJ_Soul

bootlegger10 said:

While the band is pretty popular, shows in the midwest were a piece of cake to get in 2010 and in 2014 they were very difficult to get. I can't imagine things changed that much, but maybe they have.

I wonder if the GA floor is causing more to travel (even more than before). I also wonder if GA is creating more scalpers as seniority isn't a factor in seat quality and it is easier to sell ahead of time (or line up a deal).

A lot can happen in 4 years. Wouldn't be surprised if PJ20 boosted attendance and new memberships by a huge amount. Remember, 4 years made the same amount of difference for PJ from 1996 to 2000 but in the other direction. Their fan base isn't stagnant. Also, 4 years put a lot of longtime fans into that age group where they can afford a lot more.

jdopj

CM189191 said:

jdopj said:

quimby20 said:

PP193448 said:

Losing in the lottery and being shut out for tics sucks for everyone, not just senior members, but everything in life isn't guaranteed either. (Unless you're a real prince or princess or extremely wealthy).
I would take sitting in the lower section to the side closest to the stage with friends and famiily of the band and A list guests over GA any day. You can show up a few minutes before the first song, come and go as you please, and not have anyone bump into you all night long. No one to have to fight to see over or around. I joined in 2005 and best I had with reserved was about 25 rows back on the floor in Columbus 2010. I would never have the opportunity to be up close unless there was some kind of lottery.
But yeah, I am sure that the band prob really does get tired of lack of enthusiasm from some of the spoiled senior ten club members who complain that they have heard Alive at 100 shows, and stand motionless during most of the show.

They are in it for all fans, not just the senior ones. Just feel lucky to have what you have!! You could be worried about where you're next meal is going to come from, rather than whining over seat location at a concert.

Perfectly said!!!!!

Not perfectly said. Lots of us in the 10c for 20 years that bring it and appreciate our seats and the shows we go to.

You haven't been in the 10c for 20 years. You've been in the 10c for 1 year, 20 times.

Seriously???
My complaint is the common argument and generalization that all people with a decent member number stand there, don't care and complain. That's bullshit. Period. We can argue what my time in a bands fan club actually means , but don't generalize or agree with a generalization of my behavior or dedication to the band. I believe the basis of newer members arguments are that they aren't not any less fans than more senior members, seems the stereotype you are throwing out there is accusing just that.