Elliot Rodger - California killing spree - all the issues

Godfather.

PJ_Soul said:

callen said:

It should be very difficult to incarcerate an individual for mental health issues.

Well it should be impossible to incarcerate anyone who hasn't broken the law.

I never said incarcerate anyone but if there is a police file on a persons mental issues then that should come up on a back ground check....but then again there are issues with that because people will complain about a shrink wrap in their jacket.

Godfather.

jmuscatello

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

A psychotic who, because he couldn't find a girlfriend, goes on a premeditated murder spree, using knives, a car, and guns and it's the NRA's fault. Got it.

Is that what you're reading here???? 8-}

I second PJ Soul's question/disbelief.

Cosmo

unsung said:

A psychotic who, because he couldn't find a girlfriend, goes on a premeditated murder spree, using knives, a car, and guns and it's the NRA's fault. Got it.

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It is the NRA's stance that the psychotic who couldn't find a girlfriend and blames it on the girls should be able to get whatever gun he wants in whatever quantity he can afford. To the NRA and gun advocates... Elliot Rodger was a law abiding gun owner until last Friday.

Merkin Baller

Cosmo said:

unsung said:

A psychotic who, because he couldn't find a girlfriend, goes on a premeditated murder spree, using knives, a car, and guns and it's the NRA's fault. Got it.

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It is the NRA's stance that the psychotic who couldn't find a girlfriend and blames it on the girls should be able to get whatever gun he wants in whatever quantity he can afford. To the NRA and gun advocates... Elliot Rodger was a law abiding gun owner until last Friday.

+1. (Wanted to give you the clapping hands, but couldn't find from my phone)

Cosmo

PJ_Soul said:

Cosmo said:

Maybe the answer is... 'Just another day in America. Business as usual.'
Because that's what it is. We all know NOTHING WILL BE DONE TO CHANGE ANYTHING except the re-hashed rhetoric on cable television.
Maybe, America just needs to accept the consequences for the choices she makes. As Americans, we apparently just need to accept unacceptable loss of life and the heartache left in its wake because we have cherish our free access to guns more than the lives of the lost.
...
U!!! S!!! A!!! - U!!! S!!! A!!! - U!!! S!!! A!!!

Oh, I dunno. That sounds like a dangerous attitude. The USA has been known to confront problems and do things to help fix them. Sometimes it takes a long time for it to happen, but I don't think there is any reason to assume helpful changes will NEVER happen.... I mean, maybe not. But maybe! Hopefully. Of course they definitely won't if people just accept what is, accept things as they are, and stop fighting for progress and positive change.

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It is an attitude that stems from the reality that nothing wil change. Us Americans... we love our guns. As long as we believe that... guns = Freedom... guns = Patriotism... guns = Liberty... the occasional deadly shooting rampages will always, simply be a side effect of Freedom, Patriotism and Liberty.
Maybe it is time we embrace and accept the death of bystanders as a defining character trait of what is means to be an American.

goingtoverona

actually that's not entirely true cosmo, the NRA doesn't want anyone to have those new smart guns that are being invented with the bracelets or watch. they think those are a threat to the second amendment, but that's a different debate I think.

jmuscatello

I know the links might be fucked up for the Denver Post May 2 article I posted above, sorry, but basically the NRA and the even more extreme Rocky Mountain Gun Owners inserted themselves into a non-gun issue. They lobbied against a bill which would have made the civil commitment process in a mental health crisis in CO a tiny bit easier. Why? Because it might have meant more people in a mental health crisis situation would have their access to guns restricted. So I feel like in a way, I can put a little blame with the NRA when I read a story like the Elliot Rodger's one.

PJ_Soul

Cosmo said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cosmo said:

Maybe the answer is... 'Just another day in America. Business as usual.'
Because that's what it is. We all know NOTHING WILL BE DONE TO CHANGE ANYTHING except the re-hashed rhetoric on cable television.
Maybe, America just needs to accept the consequences for the choices she makes. As Americans, we apparently just need to accept unacceptable loss of life and the heartache left in its wake because we have cherish our free access to guns more than the lives of the lost.
...
U!!! S!!! A!!! - U!!! S!!! A!!! - U!!! S!!! A!!!

Oh, I dunno. That sounds like a dangerous attitude. The USA has been known to confront problems and do things to help fix them. Sometimes it takes a long time for it to happen, but I don't think there is any reason to assume helpful changes will NEVER happen.... I mean, maybe not. But maybe! Hopefully. Of course they definitely won't if people just accept what is, accept things as they are, and stop fighting for progress and positive change.

...
It is an attitude that stems from the reality that nothing wil change. Us Americans... we love our guns. As long as we believe that... guns = Freedom... guns = Patriotism... guns = Liberty... the occasional deadly shooting rampages will always, simply be a side effect of Freedom, Patriotism and Liberty.
Maybe it is time we embrace and accept the death of bystanders as a defining character trait of what is means to be an American.

A lot can change, though, as older generations die off and their more ridiculous and outdated viewpoints slowly fade away as the world changes. Not saying it won't take a while, but I think it is entirely possible that it will happen eventually, as long as there is help from vocal opposition. It's not going to happen all on its own spontaneously, which is why I think it's important that people keep at it and don't become complacent even when it seems futile at times.

Cosmo

PJ_Soul said:

Cosmo said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cosmo said:

Maybe the answer is... 'Just another day in America. Business as usual.'
Because that's what it is. We all know NOTHING WILL BE DONE TO CHANGE ANYTHING except the re-hashed rhetoric on cable television.
Maybe, America just needs to accept the consequences for the choices she makes. As Americans, we apparently just need to accept unacceptable loss of life and the heartache left in its wake because we have cherish our free access to guns more than the lives of the lost.
...
U!!! S!!! A!!! - U!!! S!!! A!!! - U!!! S!!! A!!!

Oh, I dunno. That sounds like a dangerous attitude. The USA has been known to confront problems and do things to help fix them. Sometimes it takes a long time for it to happen, but I don't think there is any reason to assume helpful changes will NEVER happen.... I mean, maybe not. But maybe! Hopefully. Of course they definitely won't if people just accept what is, accept things as they are, and stop fighting for progress and positive change.

...
It is an attitude that stems from the reality that nothing wil change. Us Americans... we love our guns. As long as we believe that... guns = Freedom... guns = Patriotism... guns = Liberty... the occasional deadly shooting rampages will always, simply be a side effect of Freedom, Patriotism and Liberty.
Maybe it is time we embrace and accept the death of bystanders as a defining character trait of what is means to be an American.

A lot can change, though, as older generations die off and their more ridiculous and outdated viewpoints slowly fade away as the world changes. Not saying it won't take a while, but I think it is entirely possible that it will happen eventually, as long as there is help from vocal opposition. It's not going to happen all on its own spontaneously, which is why I think it's important that people keep at it and don't become complacent even when it seems futile at times.

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America is never going to have a shortage of people who truely believe that the U.N. White Helmets are going to come in and takeover after the population is exposed to mind altering chemicals from black helicopters and contrails of doom... and the initial step in this is the restriction of access to guns and the registration of firearms so the U.N. troops can read the secret codes on the backs of the freeway signs to know which houses to storm and take away all of the guns.
Remember, these are the SAME people who believe that if the Jews living in the Berlin ghettos were armed... then, places like Auschwitz would have never come to pass... ignoring the fact that the Nazis had a uniformed, regulated army with tanks and airplanes and it took the united armies of the U.S., Great Britian, Russia, Canada and just about every other country in the wolrd to defeat them... and it took them 4 years to accomplish it.
That belief will NEVER disappear.

PJ_Soul

Cosmo said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cosmo said:

PJ_Soul said:

Cosmo said:

Maybe the answer is... 'Just another day in America. Business as usual.'
Because that's what it is. We all know NOTHING WILL BE DONE TO CHANGE ANYTHING except the re-hashed rhetoric on cable television.
Maybe, America just needs to accept the consequences for the choices she makes. As Americans, we apparently just need to accept unacceptable loss of life and the heartache left in its wake because we have cherish our free access to guns more than the lives of the lost.
...
U!!! S!!! A!!! - U!!! S!!! A!!! - U!!! S!!! A!!!

Oh, I dunno. That sounds like a dangerous attitude. The USA has been known to confront problems and do things to help fix them. Sometimes it takes a long time for it to happen, but I don't think there is any reason to assume helpful changes will NEVER happen.... I mean, maybe not. But maybe! Hopefully. Of course they definitely won't if people just accept what is, accept things as they are, and stop fighting for progress and positive change.

...
It is an attitude that stems from the reality that nothing wil change. Us Americans... we love our guns. As long as we believe that... guns = Freedom... guns = Patriotism... guns = Liberty... the occasional deadly shooting rampages will always, simply be a side effect of Freedom, Patriotism and Liberty.
Maybe it is time we embrace and accept the death of bystanders as a defining character trait of what is means to be an American.

A lot can change, though, as older generations die off and their more ridiculous and outdated viewpoints slowly fade away as the world changes. Not saying it won't take a while, but I think it is entirely possible that it will happen eventually, as long as there is help from vocal opposition. It's not going to happen all on its own spontaneously, which is why I think it's important that people keep at it and don't become complacent even when it seems futile at times.

...
America is never going to have a shortage of people who truely believe that the U.N. White Helmets are going to come in and takeover after the population is exposed to mind altering chemicals from black helicopters and contrails of doom... and the initial step in this is the restriction of access to guns and the registration of firearms so the U.N. troops can read the secret codes on the backs of the freeway signs to know which houses to storm and take away all of the guns.
Remember, these are the SAME people who believe that if the Jews living in the Berlin ghettos were armed... then, places like Auschwitz would have never come to pass... ignoring the fact that the Nazis had a uniformed, regulated army with tanks and airplanes and it took the united armies of the U.S., Great Britian, Russia, Canada and just about every other country in the wolrd to defeat them... and it took them 4 years to accomplish it.
That belief will NEVER disappear.

A lot can happen.... I mean, the USA might not even exist in a few hundred years, who knows.

goingtoverona

there are those of us who just think guns are fun to shoot. shooting is a great hobby, it relieves stress, and it's a whole lot of fun. no government conspiracy from me, just like to shoot and should be allowed to.

Godfather.

jmuscatello said:

I know the links might be fucked up for the Denver Post May 2 article I posted above, sorry, but basically the NRA and the even more extreme Rocky Mountain Gun Owners inserted themselves into a non-gun issue. They lobbied against a bill which would have made the civil commitment process in a mental health crisis in CO a tiny bit easier. Why? Because it might have meant more people in a mental health crisis situation would have their access to guns restricted. So I feel like in a way, I can put a little blame with the NRA when I read a story like the Elliot Rodger's one.

I agree that's messed up but I have a question, what else did the bill have in it ? I mean there is always another ...thing added to the package that the gun rights groups don't want like an increase in sales tax on a guns or amo or another restriction of some sort or something like that but if that's not the case I would be very disapointed in them.


Godfather.

catefrances

mark zuuckerberg couldnt get laid in college either... so he invented facebook......

goingtoverona said:

actually that's not entirely true cosmo, the NRA doesn't want anyone to have those new smart guns that are being invented with the bracelets or watch. they think those are a threat to the second amendment, but that's a different debate I think.

oh i saw them on jon stewart last week. i thought what a brilliant idea.. if you must have guns have ones tha not just any random can pick up and shoot.. then i heard what the NRA thought of guns obviously smarter than them and i felt like punching myself in the head. idiots.

goingtoverona

@cate, hehe yeah I saw that as well. it's just amazing the NRA doesn't see the hypocrisy in being against the guns. like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum.NO!!!!!! THAT'S MY GLUE!!!!

catefrances

goingtoverona said:

@cate, hehe yeah I saw that as well. it's just amazing the NRA doesn't see the hypocrisy in being against the guns. like a little kid throwing a temper tantrum.NO!!!!!! THAT'S MY GLUE!!!!

well clearly theyre ok with the next person killed by a gun being their child. thats how i see any opposition for tighter gun laws... and just between you and me i think that is totally fucked up.... the price americans pay for the 2nd amendment is the loss of thousands and thousands of innocent lives. fuck that.

Cosmo

goingtoverona said:

there are those of us who just think guns are fun to shoot. shooting is a great hobby, it relieves stress, and it's a whole lot of fun. no government conspiracy from me, just like to shoot and should be allowed to.

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And I agree with that and support gun ownership.
I just think that you need to provide some sort of assurance that you are not a pycho that thinks it's all the women's fault for not throwing themselves at you so you can use that gun on all of them because they made you feel sorry for yourself.
I think that we should at least TRY to keep the guns out of the hands of psychos that will shoot up the place because they feel slighted. And i think you may agree... just because everyone CAN own a gun... it doesn't mean everyone SHOULD own a gun, right?
I don't mind guns being in the hands of the right people.. we should just attempt to keep them away from the wrong people.

Cosmo

Note: One of the questions that should be on the background check:
Q: Do you have, or are you in the process of writing a manifesto?
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Anyone that has a manifesto... no gun for you!

PJ_Soul

Cosmo said:

Note: One of the questions that should be on the background check:
Q: Do you have, or in the process of writing a manifesto?
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Anyone that has a manifesto... no gun for you!

Lol. Yeah, manifestos are nothin' but trouble. :P

jmuscatello

Cosmo said:

Note: One of the questions that should be on the background check:
Q: Do you have, or are you in the process of writing a manifesto?
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Anyone that has a manifesto... no gun for you!

Hahaha very good

i_lov_it

Cosmo said:

goingtoverona said:

there are those of us who just think guns are fun to shoot. shooting is a great hobby, it relieves stress, and it's a whole lot of fun. no government conspiracy from me, just like to shoot and should be allowed to.

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And I agree with that and support gun ownership.
I just think that you need to provide some sort of assurance that you are not a pycho that thinks it's all the women's fault for not throwing themselves at you so you can use that gun on all of them because they made you feel sorry for yourself.
I think that we should at least TRY to keep the guns out of the hands of psychos that will shoot up the place because they feel slighted. And i think you may agree... just because everyone CAN own a gun... it doesn't mean everyone SHOULD own a gun, right?
I don't mind guns being in the hands of the right people.. we should just attempt to keep them away from the wrong people.

Very Well Said Cosmo...There just needs to be More Regulation...not everyone Should be carrying a Gun...there Should be way Tougher Gun Laws so they don't fall in the Hands of the Wrong People...But having Said if they were to Ban them they would Need to ban them from everyone get rid of Guns all together maybe a Possibility.