moshing

MotherDear

I expect respect. That's what I expect being in a place in which I have the same right to be as anyone else.

you're so called "freedom to do whatever I want cuz it's a rock'n'roll concert and I'm a hard rocker" ends where my freedom to do whatever I want starts.. and so on, and so on.

there's not a moshing pit so you'll have to take it to a place where you won't bother anyone else.

I don't care how you choose to enjoy the show as long as you don't prevent me to enjoy it as well.

duggro

bottom line:

PJ dont want you to mosh

the majority of PJ fans dont want you to mosh.

so dont mosh.

fuck off somewhere else if you want to

The Sneaky One

Damn right.

U guys did get the sarcasm in my post didnt ye ... damn the irish humour anyway.

xkevvx

Pearl Jam doesn't make "moshing" music anyway. If you wanna mosh to Pearl Jam you're kinda lame. Go to a hardcore show or something. That's where moshing takes place. The so-called moshing at Pearl Jam (or crap like Slipknot or Family Values tour for that matter) is just a bunch or retards running into each other to see who's the bigger tough guy. Moshing isn't about running into people that are standing there minding their own business. That lameness.

But Christ, some Pearl Jam fans are such pussies. If you go to any show with the floor being GA, expect to be pushed around a bit. Like the one dude said, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Don't cry about a little shoving around. If I'm at a show and I don't feel like being around some ruckusness, I get the fuck away from it. Like another dude said, up front is where that shit happens, want to stand there and observe, do it at a seat from the sides.

JASONCECILBREEN

Pearl Jam have songs that there will always be moshing at! They have many songs that dont. I was at Dublin and Leeds and about 5 or 6 rows back each time. Yes its a bit cramped, and a bit of swaying due to people jumping up and down singing. YOU EXPECT THIS - YOU ARE AT THE FRONT.

It is not really moshing and certainly nor hardcore dancing. I had no complaints at either concert, and certainly am prepared to deal with it. If not stand back a few rows further - your realistically only gonna be a metre or two further away.

The people at concerts who do piss me off though - are the dicks that form chain lines and proceed to walk (or push!) their way through holding on to each other and knock several people flying. An excuse me here and there would be great. They are the true wankers.

And a bit of crowd surfing is ok too. I personally dont do it, but people are free to express themselves however they desire at concerts.

Thats the beauty of a PJ show - so many different types of music fans all there for the same reason - a love of Pearl Jam (Im pretty sure PJ dont get many casual fans nowadays, unless you count those who didnt bu/listen to the albums since Vitalogy) and thats the way I like it!

FnCircus

Do fans of PJ still mosh in the Americas? Or is this just a European GA thing?

I know moshing happens at metal shows (and PJ is NOT metal), but I didn't see any moshing in Denver nor at either Gorge shows. Was there any moshing at any of the GA SF shows?

duggro

people arent moaning about being banged into and whatnot, thats expected (i was in the the 2nd row at leeds for fecks sake) BUT that is not related to objections about moshing

tightly packed crowd having fun= fine
moshing= shite

ii44

"Do fans of PJ still mosh in the Americas?"

No, moshing went out of style more than 10 years ago. Plus, in the NA venues the floor will have assigned seating with folding chairs.


I can't believe people here would defend their right to be complete pricks at the exspense of someone else'slivelihood. People go to the shows to enjoy the music not be run over by immature assholes.

EDIT- "tightly packed crowd having fun= fine"

I was run into a few times on the lawn at the Gorge, that's fine, I know incidental contact is inevitable, if you're bouncin' around having fun eventually you're going to bump into someone-- and the people who did so were aplogetic.

SPALMA

xkevvx wrote:

But Christ, some Pearl Jam fans are such pussies. If you go to any show with the floor being GA, expect to be pushed around a bit. Like the one dude said, if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen. Don't cry about a little shoving around. If I'm at a show and I don't feel like being around some ruckusness, I get the fuck away from it. Like another dude said, up front is where that shit happens, want to stand there and observe, do it at a seat from the sides.

I'm not talking about a little shoving. I'm talking about people climbing up my back, using elbows to push me back so they can get in front of me. Of having to leave because I was afraid to fall down and get trampled. Of choosing between havign a physical fight with someone to prevent them from pushing me down or back.

What gives you the right to push yourself into my spot that I waited 10 hours to get? Why do I have to move? Why don't I have the right to stay right where I am? I dance, I jump, I sing. I would have like to have done it from the front of the venue.

You cannot observe very much from the back of the venue - just listen which is what I had to do.

Julien

SPALMA wrote:

I'm not talking about a little shoving. I'm talking about people climbing up my back, using elbows to push me back so they can get in front of me. Of having to leave because I was afraid to fall down and get trampled. Of choosing between havign a physical fight with someone to prevent them from pushing me down or back.

What gives you the right to push yourself into my spot that I waited 10 hours to get? Why do I have to move? Why don't I have the right to stay right where I am? I dance, I jump, I sing. I would have like to have done it from the front of the venue.

You cannot observe very much from the back of the venue - just listen which is what I had to do.

I'm totally with you Spalma...

SterRedtJe

Just before the Arnhem gig, I had a chat with the head of security (the guy 'guarding' the ten club section before entrance)... He told me about all those people he had pulled out with broken noses, pulled off ears, other head injuries, etc... because of the crowdsurfers.

In Antwerp, I was squashed by some losers a couple of rows behind me. I don't think they waited for this concert as long as I did. I waited years for this concert in my country - I got five/six songs. I'm no pussy, but I even couldn't raise my arms anymore. In fact, I hung 10 cm above the ground, unable to move anymore. They had to pull me out. I feared for my life that moment.

In Paris, a lot of girls fainted. Those were no Back Street Boys-fans, but Pearl Jam fans. A lot of guys had to move to the back. Those fan club members waited a long time, in the sun, just to view their band from a good spot. And why... because you guys think you have the right to hurt other people? There is no such right!

C'mon guys. I can't believe this. You say you're fans of a band that sings about love, caring, anti-war, anti-violence, womans rights, etc... and then you come to a concert and act like little Bu$hes - only caring about yourself on this very moment? You push and pull, you destroy this magical moment for other people, you crush woman, etc...?

How about some respect for other peoples lives? How about some respect for the horror the people at Roskilde had to go through? How about learning from the mistakes of the past. The band you say you love did. It's time for you to follow.

I went to three concerts so far. I had to travel a long time to get there, and I had to work a long time to pay for it (I still study and have to pay a share of my girlfriends studies too - she has a betterman-kinda-father). Two of them were spoiled by little pricks. It hurts. I can't believe their are people here who don't know "Do the evolution" is meant ironicle - "Ill do what I want but irresponsibly"...

Hell yeah, jump like a nutcase, sing or shout, whatever. But be safe. Take care for eachother. There's just one word you should just believe in... It's LOVE.

Odin

I agree with the majority. Moshing is stupid, and I have had shows ruined because of a few idiots "moshing" in my section (in one case, the lead singer of a band forced everyone -- 300-lb guys and 100-pound girls alike -- to get into one big "free for all", which resulted in several injuries.)

Odin

Pegasus wrote:

well, since the people moshing can't actually watch the show whilst doing it, why can't they do it at the back so that everyone else actually WATCHING can do so from the best viewpoint.

grow up!

Most excellent suggestioN, Pegasus! I have often wondered this myself.

ZimzuM

duggro wrote:

bottom line:

PJ dont want you to mosh

the majority of PJ fans dont want you to mosh.

so dont mosh.

fuck off somewhere else if you want to

they would have had seats then

ZimzuM

Pegasus wrote:

now that was what it was in Reading for example..VERY tight and hard to handle..but it's just from many people wanting to be as close as possible.

Paris, and to some extend Barcelona, it was wankers just 'enjoying' themselves by pushing other people around.

not the same thing...it's the attitude behind it...like you can have the best concert on an average setlist..just because the atmosphere is right.

I find it depressing that so many people here defend their right to 'enjoy' themselves at the expense of everyone around them.
I can handle the rough parts...wouldn't have been front row every time otherwise..but it spoils your enjoyment when you have to constantly think about your own safety...
next off to Bologna..not even a ticket yet apart from maybe in the sides...but that'll be interesting to see a gig where I might not be so close (and I bloody love to be able to actually have eye contact with the guys..always have at gigs or theatre shows) but where I don't have to constantly think about how I stand, how I breath, etc... and stupid me is trying to think about people around as well..diving down to fish out someone else's bag for example...thinking back on it I must be crazy because it was soo dangerous..

for 1 show..I'll be back in the pit in no time and will, from my 5'6" (1.65), fend off any idiots trying to force himself into my hard-hearned spot...
just wish that every gig could be like Lisbon, or even Ben Harper @ Hammersmith Apollo...great atmosphere yet roome to move and dance without having to worry.

some of the guys defending moshng should get girlfriends and see how they enjoy the mosh pit..

lets not mix proper moshing with those little spanish gypsies just trying ot push to the front and giving u cheap elbows. That is what irritates me, not the ones accidently bumping.

ZimzuM

duggro wrote:

nah i've been to oz and once was enough. preferred NZ.

oh and im no internet "hard cunt", all i'm saying is that if you ever moshed into me at a gig, i would force you to stop...politely or otherwise.

have a nice day

baaawbag

i assure you wont force me to do anything. I agree with some points made here but from what ive seen some ppl are expecting a 1 metre space around them

duggro

Zim^zuM wrote:

i assure you wont force me to do anything. I agree with some points made here but from what ive seen some ppl are expecting a 1 metre space around them

Well then, you've misread pretty much everything

Jaymac

If people are going to be idiots and mosh, I'd rather they're knocking into me than someone who might not be able to stand their ground...

I'll give as good as I get.

redrock

Jaymac wrote:

If people are going to be idiots and mosh, I'd rather they're knocking into me than someone who might not be able to stand their ground...

I'll give as good as I get.

I'll stand next to you at the next gig!

lgt

SPALMA wrote:

I'm not talking about a little shoving. I'm talking about people climbing up my back, using elbows to push me back so they can get in front of me. Of having to leave because I was afraid to fall down and get trampled. Of choosing between havign a physical fight with someone to prevent them from pushing me down or back.

What gives you the right to push yourself into my spot that I waited 10 hours to get? Why do I have to move? Why don't I have the right to stay right where I am? I dance, I jump, I sing. I would have like to have done it from the front of the venue.

You cannot observe very much from the back of the venue - just listen which is what I had to do.

Well said!