Cliven Bundy

Cosmo

Godfather. said:

Cosmo said:

unsung said:

And again it's not the point of this thread.

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You're correct. The point of the thread is whether or not a citizen can ignore the system of law in this country... a system that is outlined and built by our Constitution... based soley upon the belief that the person does not believe in the law because he/she does not like the law

That we should basically, leave trespassers alone... because they have been trespassing for the past 20 years or so.

yeah.......kinda like illegal border crossing ?
Godfather.

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So, am I correct to presume that since you are against illegal immigration (trespassing), then you are also on the side of the Federal Government in the Cliven Bundy case?
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And yes.. I believe that the U.S. NEEDS comprehensive immigration Reform. That is to look at the issue from all sides and seek common ground solutions that are beneficial for businesses that rely on cheap labor and the migrant workers willing to accept those jobs at that pay rate.
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The Bundy situation is completely different. Mr. Bundy is trespassing on Government Owned land. Illegal Immigrants are being hired by American Private citizens to work in Private Sector businesses.
See the difference?

gimmesometruth27

Jason P said:

Bentleyspop said:

Jason P said:

Bentleyspop said:

That the anti - government types are ALWAYS ALL WHITE??

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Apparantly you are not familiar with The S1W, the Apocalypse of 91,and the Terrordome project ....

I'm well acquainted with Public Enemy canon and yet I dont see Chuck D, Flavor Flav, or Professor Griff out on the frontlines defending people like Cliven Bundy.

Professer Griff has declared that they maintain a shadow network for the time being. After the noise had been brought, setbacks have occured. One does not simply call 911 these days.

yes, after the noise had been brought (1989 was the year 0 AN), i heard terminator x had spun the wax for the last time and now he is workin for the man. funny how things turn out...

gimmesometruth27

it just keeps getting better...

triple facepalm...

Cliven Bundy: If People Think I'm Racist, Blame MLK Jr.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/cliven-bundy-racist-mlk_n_5212526.html

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy claimed during a Friday interview on CNN that he didn’t understand the bipartisan outrage over his recent comments suggesting the "Negro people" were “better off” as slaves, and blamed the perception that he's racist on Martin Luther King Jr. for not finishing “his job.”

"I took this boot off so I wouldn’t put my foot in my mouth with the boot on," Bundy said. "Let me see if I can say something. Maybe I sinned, and maybe I need to ask forgiveness, and maybe I don't know what I actually said, but when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think.

“If I say 'Negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave,' if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be [offended], then Martin Luther King hasn't got his job done yet," he added. "We need to get over this prejudice stuff."

Bundy has allowed his cattle to illegally graze on government-owned land without paying fees since 1993. He has been championed as an anti-government crusader in recent weeks by some conservatives, including Sens. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), though they've distanced themselves from him in the wake of his racist remarks.

Cosmo

what is getting muddled up here ids this:
1. Comparing Bundy with Ruby Ridge and/or Waco, TX.
Wrong because both Ruby Ridge and Waco took place on private property. Bundy's dispute is taking place on Federally owned land. Big difference.
2. Comparing Bundy to emminent domain.
Wrong because emminent domain is not taking place. Mr. Bundy does not own the property in question. No one is coming to take 'his' land. They are there to remove his property (cattle) from their land.
3. Excessive force used by the Federal government
Wrong because the initial force was met with armed protestors. People like this:

Will bring in people like this:

gimmesometruth27

i would like to see the blm roll in with a few tanks, just to prove the point.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Clowns.

Does anyone seriously think anyone there was truly wishing for any kind of 'action'? I firmly believe this was just a stage to display their commando gear and really cool guns.

Sure... these fools are probably talking in the pub right now about how they were 'ready to go'... but the thing unmentioned is the fact that none had the will or desire to truly get into it. They knew the patience and discipline of the government officers was such that they were 'safe' displaying their false bravado.

gimmesometruth27

the militia needs to get jobs.

if i had to put my life on the line for a cause, it would not be for this one and it would not be for this dumbass, racist, unamerican, tax dodging deadbeat.

Bentleyspop

gimmesometruth27 said:

the militia needs to get jobs.

if i had to put my life on the line for a cause, it would not be for this one and it would not be for this dumbass, racist, unamerican, tax dodging deadbeat.

EXACTLY!!!

Cosmo

gimmesometruth27 said:

if i had to put my life on the line for a cause, it would not be for this one and it would not be for this dumbass, racist, unamerican, tax dodging deadbeat.

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Technically... they weren't actually putting their lives on the line... they were putting their wives' and daughter's lifes on the line.
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Or so they claim.

Jason P

I smell a reality show in the future. I'm sure there is at least one network mulling the idea over.

gimmesometruth27

might as well put it on the history channel. that network sucks ass now anyway.

Jason P

gimmesometruth27 said:

yes, after the noise had been brought (1989 was the year 0 AN), i heard terminator x had spun the wax for the last time and now he is workin for the man. funny how things turn out...

it turns out Terminator X became an ostrich farmer ... i repeat, an ostrich farmer. let that sink in ....

mikepegg44

Jason P said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

yes, after the noise had been brought (1989 was the year 0 AN), i heard terminator x had spun the wax for the last time and now he is workin for the man. funny how things turn out...

it turns out Terminator X became an ostrich farmer ... i repeat, an ostrich farmer. let that sink in ....

got so used to educating people with their head in the sand it was an easy transition

Guitar92player

gimmesometruth27 said:

it just keeps getting better...

triple facepalm...

Cliven Bundy: If People Think I'm Racist, Blame MLK Jr.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/cliven-bundy-racist-mlk_n_5212526.html

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy claimed during a Friday interview on CNN that he didn’t understand the bipartisan outrage over his recent comments suggesting the "Negro people" were “better off” as slaves, and blamed the perception that he's racist on Martin Luther King Jr. for not finishing “his job.”

"I took this boot off so I wouldn’t put my foot in my mouth with the boot on," Bundy said. "Let me see if I can say something. Maybe I sinned, and maybe I need to ask forgiveness, and maybe I don't know what I actually said, but when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think.

“If I say 'Negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave,' if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be [offended], then Martin Luther King hasn't got his job done yet," he added. "We need to get over this prejudice stuff."

Bundy has allowed his cattle to illegally graze on government-owned land without paying fees since 1993. He has been championed as an anti-government crusader in recent weeks by some conservatives, including Sens. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), though they've distanced themselves from him in the wake of his racist remarks.

smh....wow. This dude just needs to shut his mouth.

brianlux

Guitar92player said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

it just keeps getting better...

triple facepalm...

Cliven Bundy: If People Think I'm Racist, Blame MLK Jr.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/cliven-bundy-racist-mlk_n_5212526.html

Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy claimed during a Friday interview on CNN that he didn’t understand the bipartisan outrage over his recent comments suggesting the "Negro people" were “better off” as slaves, and blamed the perception that he's racist on Martin Luther King Jr. for not finishing “his job.”

"I took this boot off so I wouldn’t put my foot in my mouth with the boot on," Bundy said. "Let me see if I can say something. Maybe I sinned, and maybe I need to ask forgiveness, and maybe I don't know what I actually said, but when you talk about prejudice, we're talking about not being able to exercise what we think.

“If I say 'Negro' or 'black boy' or 'slave,' if those people cannot take those kind of words and not be [offended], then Martin Luther King hasn't got his job done yet," he added. "We need to get over this prejudice stuff."

Bundy has allowed his cattle to illegally graze on government-owned land without paying fees since 1993. He has been championed as an anti-government crusader in recent weeks by some conservatives, including Sens. Dean Heller (R-Nev.) and Rand Paul (R-Ky.), though they've distanced themselves from him in the wake of his racist remarks.

smh....wow. This dude just needs to shut his mouth.

Good GOD, yes! The man is badly in need of some duck take around the mouth.

callen

Let him continue to spew his ignorance. Rather sad when a person doesn't even realize he's being a racist but have seen this often. Duck dick was same way.

unsung

Cosmo said:

what is getting muddled up here ids this:
1. Comparing Bundy with Ruby Ridge and/or Waco, TX.
Wrong because both Ruby Ridge and Waco took place on private property. Bundy's dispute is taking place on Federally owned land. Big difference.
2. Comparing Bundy to emminent domain.
Wrong because emminent domain is not taking place. Mr. Bundy does not own the property in question. No one is coming to take 'his' land. They are there to remove his property (cattle) from their land.
3. Excessive force used by the Federal government
Wrong because the initial force was met with armed protestors. People like this:

Will bring in people like this:

Those armed govt thugs were there prior to any protestors.

Awful heavy handed to collect a tax.

Halifax2TheMax

unsung said:

Cosmo said:

what is getting muddled up here ids this:
1. Comparing Bundy with Ruby Ridge and/or Waco, TX.
Wrong because both Ruby Ridge and Waco took place on private property. Bundy's dispute is taking place on Federally owned land. Big difference.
2. Comparing Bundy to emminent domain.
Wrong because emminent domain is not taking place. Mr. Bundy does not own the property in question. No one is coming to take 'his' land. They are there to remove his property (cattle) from their land.
3. Excessive force used by the Federal government
Wrong because the initial force was met with armed protestors. People like this:

Will bring in people like this:

Those armed govt thugs were there prior to any protestors.

Awful heavy handed to collect a tax.

Do you know the difference between a "tax" and a "fee?" Also, do you know the difference between "public" and "private" land?

Peace.

gimmesometruth27

armed government thugs?

the dude owes the feds over a million dollars and they have been trying to get him to pay up for 20 years.

at what point would you try something other than a phone call and a bunch of letters that have not been responded to??

the man should go to jail, but he will not allow it. so if he has a gun, the feds are going to show up with guns too.

bundy has had enough of a free ride AND he got famous over it.

pay up and get they fuck off of federal land. period. end of story. the vast majority of americans feel the same way.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

gimmesometruth27 said:

armed government thugs?

the dude owes the feds over a million dollars and they have been trying to get him to pay up for 20 years.

at what point would you try something other than a phone call and a bunch of letters that have not been responded to??

the man should go to jail, but he will not allow it. so if he has a gun, the feds are going to show up with guns too.

bundy has had enough of a free ride AND he got famous over it.

pay up and get they fuck off of federal land. period. end of story. the vast majority of americans feel the same way.

Bingo.