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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Go Beavers said:

    I hope the parallels between this group and foreign terrorists are noted. Armed ideologues willing to die for their cause, organized recruitment and networking, feeling that God is on their side, and martyrdom if it all goes down.

    Still not quite the same in my books.

    Yes... the similarities are there... but these morons stopped short of the extreme levels of violence the groups I think you're comparing them to eagerly exhibit.

    These dudes are minor leaguers in comparison.
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,084
    Minor leagues as far as numbers of people effected, but my point is more about the similarities between what they're doing, and what the typical 'terrorist' group is doing. I don't want people to minimize the differences, but rather see the similarities. Domestic terrorism can be easily minimized until it gets big, e.g. Timothy Mcvey.
  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,522
    Go Beavers said:

    I hope the parallels between this group and foreign terrorists are noted. Armed ideologues willing to die for their cause, organized recruitment and networking, feeling that God is on their side, and martyrdom if it all goes down.

    Yep the similarities are there these fools will die for their guns & their God ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Minor leagues? More like a pick-up softball game if there is a comparison to what ISIS is doing. Squatting in a wildlife center vs. suicide shooting up a concert hall and chopping peoples heads off ...

    Not that I'm supporting these idiots ...
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Turns out the guy shot was Tarp Man. And they say he tried to blow past a roadblock and reached for his gun.

  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Jason P said:

    Turns out the guy shot was Tarp Man. And they say he tried to blow past a roadblock and reached for his gun.

    suicide by cop.

    such a martyr.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,577
    Feds sayy he reached to an inside left pocket twice. FBIs youtube channel has the 25 minute unedited video of the entire thing from a plane overhead.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/01/28/fbi-releases-video-explains-how-police-fatally-shot-oregon-refuge-occupier/?tid=sm_fb
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Who isn't this police shooting in the cop abuse thread?
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I saw the video. Tarp Man does reach twice for his gun which he did have on him. He came within inches of almost running over a cop at the roadblock (I think the cop thought he was going to ram the car he was standing behind so the cop jumped into the ditch at the last second which is where Tarp Man swerved into ... He was driving fast and the brake lights come on as soon as he came around the bend as saw the road block.

    (Note to cops: don't set up roadblock in high speed chases around the bend of a curvy road, especially in the winter.)

    Cops gave him time to surrender before lighting him up. I'm not sure what the others in the truck were doing but the cops fired rounds into it for several minutes before the video cuts off.
  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Who isn't this police shooting in the cop abuse thread?

    I think the armed and aggressive nature of the occupation has put law enforcement at risk for far too long. I saw a theory that he wasn't reaching for a gun, he was grabbing at a bullet wound... I don't know about that, I suppose it's possible, it was an inevitable, predictable outcome either way.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    rgambs said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Who isn't this police shooting in the cop abuse thread?

    I think the armed and aggressive nature of the occupation has put law enforcement at risk for far too long. I saw a theory that he wasn't reaching for a gun, he was grabbing at a bullet wound... I don't know about that, I suppose it's possible, it was an inevitable, predictable outcome either way.
    This appeared as though this guy knew exactly what he was doing and willfully sacrificed his life for the cause.

    I don't get it. We're all gonna die and yes the powerful will extort money from you but life's not bad in these United States. Hell he was driving really nice extended cab with camper with heat and AC.

    People in 3rd world countries must be screaming at the news at stupidity of some humans.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    rgambs said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Who isn't this police shooting in the cop abuse thread?

    I think the armed and aggressive nature of the occupation has put law enforcement at risk for far too long. I saw a theory that he wasn't reaching for a gun, he was grabbing at a bullet wound... I don't know about that, I suppose it's possible, it was an inevitable, predictable outcome either way.
    This appeared as though this guy knew exactly what he was doing and willfully sacrificed his life for the cause.

    I don't get it. We're all gonna die and yes the powerful will extort money from you but life's not bad in these United States. Hell he was driving really nice extended cab with camper with heat and AC.

    People in 3rd world countries must be screaming at the news at stupidity of some humans.
    Driven by ideoloigy. The hyukster likely thought he was doing something honourable.

    But you are correct: stupid people do stupid things.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    edited February 2016
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    Those conversations would be awesome to hear:

    "Hey Cletus. Listen up. I got one!"

    Loud fart followed by laughter.

    "Good one Cooter! Watch me. I'm gonna light mine on fire!"
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    Those conversations would be awesome to hear:

    "Hey Cletus. Listen up. I got one!"

    Loud fart followed by laughter.

    "Good one Cooter! Watch me. I'm gonna light mine on fire!"
    OMG i totally read that to myself in sterotypical redneck accent, lol...
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    Those conversations would be awesome to hear:

    "Hey Cletus. Listen up. I got one!"

    Loud fart followed by laughter.

    "Good one Cooter! Watch me. I'm gonna light mine on fire!"
    OMG i totally read that to myself in sterotypical redneck accent, lol...
    Hahahaha!

    I was hearing the accent as I was typing the script too. I'll one up you: I even pictured Cletus and Cooter as well.
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    image

    cletus and cooter
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    image

    cletus and cooter

    Callen and Hugh LOL!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,017
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,084
    No cell service
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    The last four had their cell service cut off. They just have a cell to talk with negotiators now. My guess is that water would be by a well that couldn't be cut. I'm curious about electricity not being cut.
    portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/292071-169351-harney-county-holdouts-hit-with-same-federal-charge-as-militant-ringleaders
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Go Beavers said:

    No cell service

    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    The last four had their cell service cut off. They just have a cell to talk with negotiators now. My guess is that water would be by a well that couldn't be cut. I'm curious about electricity not being cut.
    portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/292071-169351-harney-county-holdouts-hit-with-same-federal-charge-as-militant-ringleaders
    You got pretty serious here with the 5 quote response.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,577
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    No cell service

    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    The last four had their cell service cut off. They just have a cell to talk with negotiators now. My guess is that water would be by a well that couldn't be cut. I'm curious about electricity not being cut.
    portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/292071-169351-harney-county-holdouts-hit-with-same-federal-charge-as-militant-ringleaders
    You got pretty serious here with the 5 quote response.
    Quote feature no longer drops you down to the comment box. Pain in the ass.
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  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    mickeyrat said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Go Beavers said:

    No cell service

    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    callen said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    i hear there are 4 people left on the property. their utilities and internet have been shut off. just a matter of time now.

    Not a peep on the news currently. We'll see. Maybe they'll get cabin fever and come out guns blazing.

    Wonder if Feds have all communications tapped.
    The last four had their cell service cut off. They just have a cell to talk with negotiators now. My guess is that water would be by a well that couldn't be cut. I'm curious about electricity not being cut.
    portlandtribune.com/pt/9-news/292071-169351-harney-county-holdouts-hit-with-same-federal-charge-as-militant-ringleaders
    You got pretty serious here with the 5 quote response.
    Quote feature no longer drops you down to the comment box. Pain in the ass.
    I know. Just goofing around.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,577
    Feds moved in overnight

    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN0VK05F?utm_source=Facebook
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,577
    edited February 2016
    Cant find a link yet but have read ole Cliven was arrested getting off a plane in Portland.

    Link.......https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2016/02/10/fbi-closes-in-on-last-oregon-refuge-occupiers/?tid=sm_fb
    Post edited by mickeyrat on
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,577
    And this part is over.....

    http://www.vox.com/2016/2/11/10969080/oregon-standoff-david-fry
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    Famous last words.....one more cookie and a cigarette.....
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    another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    i listened to this call that was broadcast on youtube. this fiore woman should be arrested too for aiding them.

    some of the stuff these 4 people actually believe is pretty appalling. they believe every single wild right wing conspiracy theory. it is pretty scary.
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