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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,687
    edited December 2017
    There are rednecks and then there are rednecks.  Ed Abbey knew the difference.

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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,152
    CM189191 said:
    unsung said:
    Nice virtue signal.  
    No one finds your alt-right vocabulary impressive, it just makes you look like an ass. 
    is there really an alt right anymore? to me it is just the right, as they have accepted into their movement the former alt right.
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    dignindignin Posts: 9,303
    unsung said:
    Nice virtue signal.  
    Yawn.
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    unsung said:
    Nice virtue signal.  
    Better dog whistle.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Great news!
    Yup, like Randy Paul’s vote to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit. Principles.
    It would be easier to take that comment seriously had you said one word the last eight years.  Maybe you can link me to that though.  Probably not.
    My party is not the one prattling on about the deficit and fiscal responsibility. My party is not enlarging the deficit to make a very small percentage of the populous even more filthy rich. My party didn’t vote against increasing the deficit to bail out the auto and banking industries to save hundreds of thousands of jobs and an economy. My party didn’t prattle on about how we can’t afford to provide a minimum level of health insurance for its citizens without. My party didn’t vote against deficit spending to stimulate the economy when unemployment, brought on by your party, reached 10% and was as high as 50-60%. Your party still believes in trickle down economics when the unemployment is at 4.1%. Let me know when unemployment is at 2%, would you? Your hypocrisy is astounding but not surprising, seeing how you have such pure ideology. What a joke.
    Unsung... owned again

    Do we need to talk about the deficit under Reagan & W???? or maybe discuss the surplus achieved under Clinton only to be blown up by the W administration?

    But you're only worried about the deficit while a black guy was president, obviously
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Pre Obama the debt was at $9T.  That is Presidents 1-43 (iirc) combined.

    When Obama left office it was $20T.



    You really don't want to debate this though with me unless you are ready to accept that spending cuts need to happen.  Otherwise it is a non-starter.
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    CM189191CM189191 Minneapolis via Chicago Posts: 6,793
    unsung said:
    Pre Obama the debt was at $9T.  That is Presidents 1-43 (iirc) combined.

    When Obama left office it was $20T.



    You really don't want to debate this though with me unless you are ready to accept that spending cuts need to happen.  Otherwise it is a non-starter.


    You really don't want to debate unless you are ready to accept that tax increases need to happen.  




    Obama's debt contribution was $983 billion.

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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Case DISMISSED!  ALL charges dropped!

    Prosecution withheld evidence favorable to the defense, admitted the Bundy's were never a threat.  Judge Navarro said that prosecution performed "flagrant prosecutorial misconduct."


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    Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Your Mom's Posts: 17,954
    unsung said:
    Pre Obama the debt was at $9T.  That is Presidents 1-43 (iirc) combined.

    When Obama left office it was $20T.



    You really don't want to debate this though with me unless you are ready to accept that spending cuts need to happen.  Otherwise it is a non-starter.
    But what did Obama do to get it to 20T?  Come on man...

    Fault Obama for not raising taxes to help offset it maybe.  The spending came from your GOP
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    unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Obama got us into Libya and Syria and we are still in Afghanistan to this day.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
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    Gtilley8Gtilley8 Detroit Posts: 985
    unsung said:
    unsung said:
    Great news!
    Yup, like Randy Paul’s vote to add $1.5 trillion to the deficit. Principles.
    It would be easier to take that comment seriously had you said one word the last eight years.  Maybe you can link me to that though.  Probably not.
    My party is not the one prattling on about the deficit and fiscal responsibility. My party is not enlarging the deficit to make a very small percentage of the populous even more filthy rich. My party didn’t vote against increasing the deficit to bail out the auto and banking industries to save hundreds of thousands of jobs and an economy. My party didn’t prattle on about how we can’t afford to provide a minimum level of health insurance for its citizens without. My party didn’t vote against deficit spending to stimulate the economy when unemployment, brought on by your party, reached 10% and was as high as 50-60%. Your party still believes in trickle down economics when the unemployment is at 4.1%. Let me know when unemployment is at 2%, would you? Your hypocrisy is astounding but not surprising, seeing how you have such pure ideology. What a joke.
    also, our party is not propping up a fucking sociopath for the sake of "wins".

    our party is not talking down entire classes of people and spiking the football when we pass a vote that 25% of americans favor.

    fuck the gop. all of them.
    The thread title says it all.  Lol.  Cliven Bundy.  Dude is a hero to mental neophytes.  

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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    Bump, white looting continues to this day.
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,718
    Bump, white looting continues to this day.
    Childish response to a certain thread. Jeez dude. 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    nicknyr15 said:
    Bump, white looting continues to this day.
    Childish response to a certain thread. Jeez dude. 
    What would you call or how would you describe what the Bundy’s are still doing? Sheesh.
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    nicknyr15nicknyr15 Posts: 7,718
    nicknyr15 said:
    Bump, white looting continues to this day.
    Childish response to a certain thread. Jeez dude. 
    What would you call or how would you describe what the Bundy’s are still doing? Sheesh.
    Bumping a thread with no activity for 2 years and saying what you said is childish. Everything is about race with you. You’re throwing a hissy fit in response to a thread.  Cmon 
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,582
    nicknyr15 said:
    nicknyr15 said:
    Bump, white looting continues to this day.
    Childish response to a certain thread. Jeez dude. 
    What would you call or how would you describe what the Bundy’s are still doing? Sheesh.
    Bumping a thread with no activity for 2 years and saying what you said is childish. Everything is about race with you. You’re throwing a hissy fit in response to a thread.  Cmon 
    I bumped the thread after I was chastised by the OP of the Riots/madness thread for posting the looting of federal land and tax payers that continues to this day by a white family, 6 years running at least.

    Believe it or not, race plays a huge roll in where we are today, particularly when the riot in Ferguson in 2014 because of Michael Brown’s death, the riot in Baltimore in 2015 because of Freddie Gray’s death and all the police killings of Blacks, in between and since, right up to George Floyd’s death. And nothings changed except the number and duration of the protests/riots. So yea, race still matters, every fucking day.

    A hissy fit? You mean like complaining? C’mon maaaaaaaan, as Sleepy Woke Joe would say.
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2020
    The Bundy crew should be in jail, but evidently the federal prosecutors screwed things up:
    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/appeals-court-upholds-dismissal-of-nv-indictment-against-cliven-bundy-his-two-sons-and-ryan-payne.html
    My family has paid to graze cattle on federal land for years, so yes, it does piss me off that they feel they can do it for free.

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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,539
    PJPOWER said:
    The Bundy crew should be in jail, but evidently the federal prosecutors screwed things up:
    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/appeals-court-upholds-dismissal-of-nv-indictment-against-cliven-bundy-his-two-sons-and-ryan-payne.html
    My family has paid to graze cattle on federal land for years, so yes, it does piss me off that they feel they can do it for free.

    Its their right as christian americans to not pay the taxes or the fess that everyone else has to pay.
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    PJPOWERPJPOWER In Yo Face Posts: 6,499
    edited August 2020
    PJPOWER said:
    The Bundy crew should be in jail, but evidently the federal prosecutors screwed things up:
    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/appeals-court-upholds-dismissal-of-nv-indictment-against-cliven-bundy-his-two-sons-and-ryan-payne.html
    My family has paid to graze cattle on federal land for years, so yes, it does piss me off that they feel they can do it for free.

    Its their right as christian americans to not pay the taxes or the fess that everyone else has to pay.
    Hell, I thought that was becoming the American way?  There are plenty of freeloaders not paying taxes or fees these days.
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,539
    PJPOWER said:
    PJPOWER said:
    The Bundy crew should be in jail, but evidently the federal prosecutors screwed things up:
    https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/appeals-court-upholds-dismissal-of-nv-indictment-against-cliven-bundy-his-two-sons-and-ryan-payne.html
    My family has paid to graze cattle on federal land for years, so yes, it does piss me off that they feel they can do it for free.

    Its their right as christian americans to not pay the taxes or the fess that everyone else has to pay.
    Hell, I thought that was becoming the American way?  There are plenty of freeloaders not paying taxes or fees these days.
    Yup
    They're called billionaires and millionaires
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,152
    did anybody see the video that ammon bundy tweeted last week? he came out in favor of BLM and against the police overreach against the unarmed protesters. you could literally watch conservative heads explode in the comments. i will try to find it.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,152
    i can't find the actual video i saw. i know it was on a twitter page associated with him. here is an article about his stance.

    https://news.yahoo.com/ammon-bundy-comes-support-blm-135517142.html
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    crazy ammon is at it again. freedumb.

    Idaho high school football game called at halftime after activist refuses to wear mask


    https://news.yahoo.com/idaho-high-school-football-game-184821564.html


    high school football game in Idaho was stopped at halftime when anti-government activist Ammon Bundy refused to wear a mask or leave campus, officials said Monday.

    Bundy wanted to watch his son, a linebacker for the visiting Emmett High School Huskies, in their game against the host Caldwell Cougars on Friday.

    The dad was turned away at the gate for refusing to adhere to Caldwell’s coronavirus masking policy, Bundy and school officials both said.

    Bundy, best known for a 2016 standoff with his father, Cliven Bundy, at an Oregon wildlife refuge, then tried to watch the game from a parking lot - on campus grounds, but outside the stadium - and was asked to leave again by hosts. When he didn’t, Caldwell administrators called the game at halftime, with Emmett ahead, 35-0.

    Emmett High School does not have a policy asking fans to wear masks, so Bundy was free to go mask-less at Huskies' home games. But if Emmett plays at a school with such safety protocols in the future, Bundy told NBC News on Monday, he’ll act just as he did on Friday.

    “I have a strong belief in my right to choose to wear a mask or not," Bundy said. "And If they think somehow there's a safety issue, then they need to section off a part of the bleachers to accommodate for those of us who believe differently than others.”

    The CDC has recommended that all Americans wear masks in public during the pandemic, though it's a local district-by-district decision for high school activities in Idaho.

    it wasn't immediately clear over the weekend which team would be declared the winner because the game wasn't completed.

    But by Tuesday, the two schools decided that Emmett should have the win, said Ty Jones, executive director of the Idaho High School Activities Association which governs prep sports in the Gem State.

    Both sides apparently agreed that Emmett's five-touchdown lead shouldn't be wiped out by the brouhaha over Bundy.

    "That would be my thought (that a 35-point lead should stand) but I wasn’t given a reason, just a final score," Jones said.

    Emmett Independent School District Superintendent Craig Woods had appeared to brace his side for a possible forfeit.

    "This is incredibly sad for the Emmett High School football team, high school and community. They were winning the game," Woods said in a statement over the weekend.

    "They've been having a great season, and they've worked hard. We were the visitors. We should respect the host’s policies and procedures. Whether you agree or not when it comes to masks, the football team should not have to suffer the consequences. I'm proud of the Huskies. They did not ask for this."


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