PHILLY (Loosely Related to The Philadelphia Phillies)

18990929495547

Comments

  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,520
    JK_Livin said:

    Really tired of beating this dead horse. Whatever happens with Howard, just let it happen. The bitching and moaning is wasted energy. Go see him him one last time and give him some applause.

    it's futile. some people will never acknowledge how great he once was.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888

    I'm starting believe, due to how bad the division is, that they may just best in this all season. So...that'd be cool.

    The way I look at is any success they have this year while rebuilding is a bonus. Been fun so far.
    www.myspace.com
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    pjhawks said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Really tired of beating this dead horse. Whatever happens with Howard, just let it happen. The bitching and moaning is wasted energy. Go see him him one last time and give him some applause.

    it's futile. some people will never acknowledge how great he once was.
    I don't think that's the case. Nobody's forgetting that run he had from 2005 through 2010 or the fact that that was (with maybe the exception of the late 70's-early 80's) the most successful run in the franchise's history. But man, it's been tough sledding the past five years. But as we all know, he's not to blame, Amaro is. If some moron walked up to me and said "Hey, would like $125 million?" I'd say "Well sure I do!"
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024Philly 2

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,038

    I'm starting believe, due to how bad the division is, that they may just be in this all season. So...that'd be cool.

    The way I look at is any success they have this year while rebuilding is a bonus. Been fun so far.
    Of course, I also realized I didn't edit my post. I meant to say that may just be in this all season.

    Baseball's such a regional sport - if your team's not competitive then it takes 75% of the interest out of the sport.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,837
    One of my favorite weekends of the year in the city. Clears out and so much awesome stuff to do.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    JK_Livin said:

    Really tired of beating this dead horse. Whatever happens with Howard, just let it happen. The bitching and moaning is wasted energy. Go see him him one last time and give him some applause.

    no way I'm cheering a guy who has been overweight and has underperformed ever since the ink dried on his contract.

    It's not really him I have a problem with. He's sucked since 2009. The Phillies management is the problem...he should have been the first one to go when they finally started this rebuild
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    This guy is a hacker...Eflin getting a lot of positive buzz though, which is good to hear.

    Nick Williams 2016 Walk Watch: Zero walks (in five games) since last week’s list, leaving his total at seven on the season in 160 plate appearances, and moving his walk rate to a less-than-sterling 4.3 percent rate (against 38 strikeouts).

    Williams’ OBP has crept down to .290 on the year as the 22-year old adjusts to Triple-A pitching, and Williams has only stolen six bases in 60 games since joining his new organization.
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    pjhawks said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Really tired of beating this dead horse. Whatever happens with Howard, just let it happen. The bitching and moaning is wasted energy. Go see him him one last time and give him some applause.

    it's futile. some people will never acknowledge how great he once was.
    he had a peak of 3-4 good years. Only one season with a WAR of 4+. He's going to go down as the most overrated phillie ever, and one of the most overrated in MLB history.
  • Ledbetterman10Ledbetterman10 Posts: 16,882
    This article is dead-on. There really is no room for sentimental value. Better players than Howard have been sent packing.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/post/_/id/70964/its-time-for-the-phillies-to-release-ryan-howard

    "Howard is killing them, though. He's gone from bad to unplayable, hitting .156/.226/.369. He went 0-for-4 on Monday with two strikeouts. With the game tied 4-4 in the seventh and a runner on second, the Tigers intentionally walked Maikel Franco to pitch to Howard. Justin Wilson struck out Howard on three fastballs, all swinging. He's 4-for-48 in May and hasn't hit a single since April. Fans are saying enough is enough. Local columnists are calling for something to be done. For some reason, manager Pete Mackanin has hit Howard cleanup in 30 of the team's 45 games.

    That's on Mackanin, but Howard shouldn't even be on the roster. There's no room for sentiment in the majors, where it's all about winning (unless you're tanking). New general manager Matt Klentak and team president Andy MacPhail might have inherited Howard, but they need to man up and make the obvious move: Give Howard his unconditional release. If you want to give him a chance to save face and retire -- as Ken Griffey Jr. did when he walked away early in 2010 while hitting .184 -- sure, give Howard the opportunity. If Howard doesn't want to give up what's left of his $25 million salary (plus a $10 million buyout for 2017), give him a handshake and his walking papers.

    Because the Phillies don't owe him anything -- not after paying him $125 million."
    2000: Camden 1, 2003: Philly, State College, Camden 1, MSG 2, Hershey, 2004: Reading, 2005: Philly, 2006: Camden 1, 2, East Rutherford 1, 2007: Lollapalooza, 2008: Camden 1, Washington D.C., MSG 1, 2, 2009: Philly 1, 2, 3, 4, 2010: Bristol, MSG 2, 2011: PJ20 1, 2, 2012: Made In America, 2013: Brooklyn 2, Philly 2, 2014: Denver, 2015: Global Citizen Festival, 2016: Philly 2, Fenway 1, 2018: Fenway 1, 2, 2021: Sea. Hear. Now. 2022: Camden, 2024Philly 2

    Pearl Jam bootlegs:
    http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888

    One of my favorite weekends of the year in the city. Clears out and so much awesome stuff to do.

    No traffic...love this weekend.
    www.myspace.com
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,837
    edited May 2016

    One of my favorite weekends of the year in the city. Clears out and so much awesome stuff to do.

    No traffic...love this weekend.
    Parking in South Philly!! Though my neighborhood isn't usually that bad.

    Golf tomorrow, hitting up all the outdoor beer gardens Saturday then a BBQ Sunday. Should be some good drunken fun. Birthday weekend too...
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    yeah, someone else posted that article earlier this week. Def spot on.

    Howard's WAR from 2010 to current is NEGATIVE 2.2. he is horrendous

    I've also still yet to see a 1B at any level who catches throws from infielders with two hands. That's what happens when you have seal hands
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888
    The Fixer said:

    This guy is a hacker...Eflin getting a lot of positive buzz though, which is good to hear.

    Nick Williams 2016 Walk Watch: Zero walks (in five games) since last week’s list, leaving his total at seven on the season in 160 plate appearances, and moving his walk rate to a less-than-sterling 4.3 percent rate (against 38 strikeouts).

    Williams’ OBP has crept down to .290 on the year as the 22-year old adjusts to Triple-A pitching, and Williams has only stolen six bases in 60 games since joining his new organization.

    Ha...it's funny you post this one a day where he's reached base all 5 times he's been up.

    Needs to work on plate disciple for sure, though. Not sure if you follow Matt Winkleman or not but apparently he's been seeing a lot more pitches and doing a better job of working counts over the last few weeks....
    www.myspace.com
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888

    One of my favorite weekends of the year in the city. Clears out and so much awesome stuff to do.

    No traffic...love this weekend.
    Parking in South Philly!! Though my neighborhood isn't usually that bad.

    Golf tomorrow, hitting up all the outdoor beer gardens Saturday then a BBQ Sunday. Should be some good drunken fun. Birthday weekend too...
    Sweet. I'm playing Bella Vista tomorrow. Real nice course. Has a hole modeled after Saw Grass' 17. Can't wait to test out the new clubs...
    www.myspace.com
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837

    The Fixer said:

    This guy is a hacker...Eflin getting a lot of positive buzz though, which is good to hear.

    Nick Williams 2016 Walk Watch: Zero walks (in five games) since last week’s list, leaving his total at seven on the season in 160 plate appearances, and moving his walk rate to a less-than-sterling 4.3 percent rate (against 38 strikeouts).

    Williams’ OBP has crept down to .290 on the year as the 22-year old adjusts to Triple-A pitching, and Williams has only stolen six bases in 60 games since joining his new organization.

    Ha...it's funny you post this one a day where he's reached base all 5 times he's been up.

    Needs to work on plate disciple for sure, though. Not sure if you follow Matt Winkleman or not but apparently he's been seeing a lot more pitches and doing a better job of working counts over the last few weeks....
    I hope it works for him, but I think he's gonna have a tough time sticking as an everyday guy on a competitive team. Should have told texas Mazara or bust. See his HR last night? Jesus
  • JK_LivinJK_Livin Posts: 7,365
    Herrera and Bryant(Cubs) have improved their plate discipline. Why can't Williams?
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • JK_LivinJK_Livin Posts: 7,365
    The Fixer said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Really tired of beating this dead horse. Whatever happens with Howard, just let it happen. The bitching and moaning is wasted energy. Go see him him one last time and give him some applause.

    no way I'm cheering a guy who has been overweight and has underperformed ever since the ink dried on his contract.

    It's not really him I have a problem with. He's sucked since 2009. The Phillies management is the problem...he should have been the first one to go when they finally started this rebuild
    I guess you don't have to cheer for him but silence would be better than anything else.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    JK_Livin said:

    Herrera and Bryant(Cubs) have improved their plate discipline. Why can't Williams?

    kris bryant had an OBP of 399 in the minors. 369 this year, 368 last year in the majors

    herrera had an OBP of 354 in the minors. 440 this year, 344 last year in majors.

    Both guys major league performance is symmetrical with what they did in the minors, with an obvious decline based on better comp at the major league level. Herrera off to a crazy start this year, but chances are that falls in line with what he has previously done. Season is only a quarter old.

    Rule of thumb is that plate discipline isn't something that generally changes much.
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,837
    edited May 2016

    One of my favorite weekends of the year in the city. Clears out and so much awesome stuff to do.

    No traffic...love this weekend.
    Parking in South Philly!! Though my neighborhood isn't usually that bad.

    Golf tomorrow, hitting up all the outdoor beer gardens Saturday then a BBQ Sunday. Should be some good drunken fun. Birthday weekend too...
    Sweet. I'm playing Bella Vista tomorrow. Real nice course. Has a hole modeled after Saw Grass' 17. Can't wait to test out the new clubs...
    Oh that's kinda sweet. Would like to check that out. I am playing RON JAWORSKI's Riverwinds. Extremely convenient.

    The Bella Vista hole looks really cool. That said, Sawgrass may be more convenient for me to get to than that.
    Post edited by Cliffy6745 on
  • JK_LivinJK_Livin Posts: 7,365
    The Fixer said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Herrera and Bryant(Cubs) have improved their plate discipline. Why can't Williams?

    kris bryant had an OBP of 399 in the minors. 369 this year, 368 last year in the majors

    herrera had an OBP of 354 in the minors. 440 this year, 344 last year in majors.

    Both guys major league performance is symmetrical with what they did in the minors, with an obvious decline based on better comp at the major league level. Herrera off to a crazy start this year, but chances are that falls in line with what he has previously done. Season is only a quarter old.

    Rule of thumb is that plate discipline isn't something that generally changes much.
    I was referring to walk/K ratio for both , which both have improved upon.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    JK_Livin said:

    The Fixer said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Herrera and Bryant(Cubs) have improved their plate discipline. Why can't Williams?

    kris bryant had an OBP of 399 in the minors. 369 this year, 368 last year in the majors

    herrera had an OBP of 354 in the minors. 440 this year, 344 last year in majors.

    Both guys major league performance is symmetrical with what they did in the minors, with an obvious decline based on better comp at the major league level. Herrera off to a crazy start this year, but chances are that falls in line with what he has previously done. Season is only a quarter old.

    Rule of thumb is that plate discipline isn't something that generally changes much.
    I was referring to walk/K ratio for both , which both have improved upon.
    based on what? 7 weeks?
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    JK_Livin said:

    The Fixer said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Really tired of beating this dead horse. Whatever happens with Howard, just let it happen. The bitching and moaning is wasted energy. Go see him him one last time and give him some applause.

    no way I'm cheering a guy who has been overweight and has underperformed ever since the ink dried on his contract.

    It's not really him I have a problem with. He's sucked since 2009. The Phillies management is the problem...he should have been the first one to go when they finally started this rebuild
    I guess you don't have to cheer for him but silence would be better than anything else.
    impossible when I'm forced to see it almost daily. I love the phillies but they really do suck as an organization
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888
    I'd say the organization is vastly improved compared to a few years ago. Not even close really.
    www.myspace.com
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888

    One of my favorite weekends of the year in the city. Clears out and so much awesome stuff to do.

    No traffic...love this weekend.
    Parking in South Philly!! Though my neighborhood isn't usually that bad.

    Golf tomorrow, hitting up all the outdoor beer gardens Saturday then a BBQ Sunday. Should be some good drunken fun. Birthday weekend too...
    Sweet. I'm playing Bella Vista tomorrow. Real nice course. Has a hole modeled after Saw Grass' 17. Can't wait to test out the new clubs...
    Oh that's kinda sweet. Would like to check that out. I am playing RON JAWORSKI's Riverwinds. Extremely convenient.

    The Bella Vista hole looks really cool. That said, Sawgrass may be more convenient for me to get to than that.
    Yeah...its out there, for sure.

    Didn't Jaws just buy Ramblewood or something too?
    www.myspace.com
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,837

    One of my favorite weekends of the year in the city. Clears out and so much awesome stuff to do.

    No traffic...love this weekend.
    Parking in South Philly!! Though my neighborhood isn't usually that bad.

    Golf tomorrow, hitting up all the outdoor beer gardens Saturday then a BBQ Sunday. Should be some good drunken fun. Birthday weekend too...
    Sweet. I'm playing Bella Vista tomorrow. Real nice course. Has a hole modeled after Saw Grass' 17. Can't wait to test out the new clubs...
    Oh that's kinda sweet. Would like to check that out. I am playing RON JAWORSKI's Riverwinds. Extremely convenient.

    The Bella Vista hole looks really cool. That said, Sawgrass may be more convenient for me to get to than that.
    Yeah...its out there, for sure.

    Didn't Jaws just buy Ramblewood or something too?
    I know he has a couple. Ramblewood sounds right, but I don't know.
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,038

    I'd say the organization is vastly improved compared to a few years ago. Not even close really.

    I'd say so - eg that article on Middleton in Philly Mag. Sure take it with a grain of salt, but as long as that guy keeps buying up shares to become majority owner I think we're in good hands (dude's at 48% and he's pretty much the proxy vote for the remaining Buck brothers).
  • JK_LivinJK_Livin Posts: 7,365

    One of my favorite weekends of the year in the city. Clears out and so much awesome stuff to do.

    No traffic...love this weekend.
    Parking in South Philly!! Though my neighborhood isn't usually that bad.

    Golf tomorrow, hitting up all the outdoor beer gardens Saturday then a BBQ Sunday. Should be some good drunken fun. Birthday weekend too...
    Sweet. I'm playing Bella Vista tomorrow. Real nice course. Has a hole modeled after Saw Grass' 17. Can't wait to test out the new clubs...
    Oh that's kinda sweet. Would like to check that out. I am playing RON JAWORSKI's Riverwinds. Extremely convenient.

    The Bella Vista hole looks really cool. That said, Sawgrass may be more convenient for me to get to than that.
    Yeah...its out there, for sure.

    Didn't Jaws just buy Ramblewood or something too?
    I know he has a couple. Ramblewood sounds right, but I don't know.
    Yes he did. He just redid the bar and dining area. Haven't been there yet though.
    Alright, alright, alright!
    Tom O.
    "I never had any friends later on like the ones I had when I was twelve. Jesus, does anyone?"
    -The Writer
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,888

    I'd say the organization is vastly improved compared to a few years ago. Not even close really.

    I'd say so - eg that article on Middleton in Philly Mag. Sure take it with a grain of salt, but as long as that guy keeps buying up shares to become majority owner I think we're in good hands (dude's at 48% and he's pretty much the proxy vote for the remaining Buck brothers).
    WFC 2020

    Ha
    www.myspace.com
  • Jearlpam0925Jearlpam0925 Posts: 17,038
    And while we're on the topic - all this goddamn golf talk makes me want to vomit. Thanks, guys.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,520
    The Fixer said:

    pjhawks said:

    JK_Livin said:

    Really tired of beating this dead horse. Whatever happens with Howard, just let it happen. The bitching and moaning is wasted energy. Go see him him one last time and give him some applause.

    it's futile. some people will never acknowledge how great he once was.
    he had a peak of 3-4 good years. Only one season with a WAR of 4+. He's going to go down as the most overrated phillie ever, and one of the most overrated in MLB history.
    thanks for proving my point.
Sign In or Register to comment.