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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908

    Phils get extra year of team control by keeping Franco in minors till end of May. He'll be here in June.

    End of May? Cubs get Bryant's extra year and he is up. Is that because Franco has already been up?
    These service time rules are so fucking confusing.
    I know right?

    From what I've read it is because he was up last year
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,056
    probably best that i forgot that the Phills played a day game today image
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837

    Phils get extra year of team control by keeping Franco in minors till end of May. He'll be here in June.

    End of May? Cubs get Bryant's extra year and he is up. Is that because Franco has already been up?
    I don't think franco is going to be anything special but I'd rather see him than howard. then again, I'd rather see ricky jordan at first than have to watch another howard at bat

    watched most of the game today. couldn't have been more than 5,000 people there
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    almost a month into the season:

    revere .189
    utley .120
    howard .196
    ruiz .184
    ruf .187
    sizemore .133
    francoeur .225
    hernandez .227

    holy fucking shit balls. at least asche's been smacking the ball around a little bit, galvis too. but, good god almighty.
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    edited April 2015

    almost a month into the season:

    revere .189
    utley .120
    howard .196
    ruiz .184
    ruf .187
    sizemore .133
    francoeur .225
    hernandez .227

    holy fucking shit balls. at least asche's been smacking the ball around a little bit, galvis too. but, good god almighty.

    16 games dude. (not saying it's gonna get better because everyone sucks except for utley). just look at those names...it's a disgrace
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited April 2015
    utley is easily the biggest disappointment so far, as he usually gets off to better starts and you kind of expect the other guys to struggle...he's really had a tough go at it since about june of last year actually.

    still early though
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,056

    utley is easily the biggest disappointment so far, as he usually gets off to better starts and you kind of expect the other guys to struggle...he's really had a tough go at it since about june of last year actually.

    still early though

    didn't he have a pretty good spring training? Not sure what the hell is wrong with him.
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,056

    utley is easily the biggest disappointment so far, as he usually gets off to better starts and you kind of expect the other guys to struggle...he's really had a tough go at it since about june of last year actually.

    still early though

    didn't he have a pretty good spring training? Not sure what the hell is wrong with him.
    he had a good game last night. Too bad they couldn't give Harrang a win though.
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,056
    edited April 2015
    Happy 37th birthday Phanatic!!! :smiley:
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  • WobbieWobbie Posts: 30,173

    Happy 37th birthday Phanatic!!! :smiley:
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Philly is putting up a phenomenal heavyweight fight
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Phenomenal fight from Jennings
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,529

    Phenomenal fight from Jennings

    that dude can take a punch for sure. he took a few really good shots and stayed in there.

    you talked about boxing issues before but I hate the scoring system. no way that fight was a 117-110 fight. Hate that every round, short of a penalty point, has to go to one of the two guys. Especially early some of those rounds were pretty even.

    anyone going to buy/watch the Mayweather-Pacquio fight saturday? one of my friends is talking about getting some people together to buy it and watch. i haven't decided yet though. with the Kentucky Derby that day could be a long day. I love Derby day.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Nice win. Cole was on point.
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  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    dodgers lose mccarthy to TJ. def think hamels ends up going to LAD
  • The FixerThe Fixer Posts: 12,837
    Baltimore is so nice this time of year. Perfect time and place to practice drone strikes (just don't hit camden yards)
  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    pjhawks said:

    Phenomenal fight from Jennings

    that dude can take a punch for sure. he took a few really good shots and stayed in there.

    you talked about boxing issues before but I hate the scoring system. no way that fight was a 117-110 fight. Hate that every round, short of a penalty point, has to go to one of the two guys. Especially early some of those rounds were pretty even.

    anyone going to buy/watch the Mayweather-Pacquio fight saturday? one of my friends is talking about getting some people together to buy it and watch. i haven't decided yet though. with the Kentucky Derby that day could be a long day. I love Derby day.
    Yeah, he did. He was pretty tough. I didn't think he would be able to hang in there. Can't teach a guy to take a punch like that, especially since he has almost no experience taking them.

    I hear you and completely agree. Another Philly boxer, Steve Cunningham was robbed in a fight against Glazkov that he clearly won. Would have had a mandatory fight with Klitschko. His daughter recently had a heart transplant and he could clearly use the money.

    I don't think it was necessairly 117-110, but I don't think it was as close as Jennings thought it was either. Tons of body shots, didn't land anything to the head. That said, a great fight for him.

    You know I am. South Street Spring Festival, Derby, then the fight. Some shitty family health news may not allow for all of that, but I will definitely be watching the fight and drinking a lot of good scotch.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    Where in the world is Domonic Brown?
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,056

    Where in the world is Domonic Brown?

    more important question is, does anyone care?
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited April 2015
    So looks like them being patient with Hamels is shaping up to be the right move. Gotta think the Phils are in better position to trade him now than at any point in the offseason. I didn't understand the people who were in such a rush to trade him 4 months ago-it's not like he's blocking a spot in the rotation for Nola or Biddle yet...

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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,056
    Send Buchannan to AAA!!!

    0-5 with an 8.76 ERA???
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited May 2015
    so we all know he's about due for a 20 game hit streak or something, especially after this article came out. but it is worth noting just how terrible utley has been playing going back to the middle of last season. it's hard to watch:

    http://www.thegoodphight.com/2015/4/30/8521221/chase-utley-has-never-been-this-bad

    Chase Utley Has Never Been This Bad

    By David S. Cohen

    @dsc250 on Apr 30, 2015, 11:13a 22
    A rare Utley hit. - Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports

    It's really painful to watch Chase Utley these days, especially if you remove his game against Matt Harvey. Has he ever been this bad before?


    A good rule of thumb with baseball is that a player's hot or cold streak in the beginning of the season is usually not worth getting worked up over. The fact that it's the beginning of the season and there are no other stats for the year to moderate the start amplifies the hot or cold streak.

    Think of it this way - if a player hits .400/.550/.750 over the course of the first 15 games, that will be the glitzy stat line that appears next to his name. But, if he does it over the course of games 86 to 100, his overall stat line is going to be much more mundane.

    So it's always worth wondering, when a player has a hot or cold start, if the player has done this before at some point in his career. Not that it means anything particularly predictive to know this information, but as a fan, it is certainly comforting to know if a player has had terrible streaks and yet overcome them to still be productive.

    Which is what I've been wondering about Chase Utley's start to this season. We all know that he's been terrible in his first 21 games. His triple slash line looks like a misprint - .114/.198/.200 for an OPS of .398. Even worse, his wOBA is .167 and his wRC+ is a ridiculous 1 (for those not too familiar with this stat, it's one of those where 100 is league average).

    Take out his 2 home run game against Matt Harvey and it's even worse - .075/.156/.075 for an OPS of .230 (and a roughly calculated (thanks schmenkman!) wOBA of .098 and wRC+ of -47). These are numbers we normally associate with pitchers at the plate - bad ones. These are not numbers we associate with a potential future Hall of Famer.

    Has this ever happened before to Chase? Amidst his otherwise stellar career, has he had any funk this deep before?

    The clear answer sifting through his game logs for 21 game stretches is absolutely not. Chase Utley has never had anything close to this kind of a funk. Putting aside the overlap from the end of last season (more on that in a bit), here are Utley's worst three 21-game stretches before this one, with the current one at the end for comparison:

    May 25, 2010 to June 17, 2010: .158/.270/.184 for a .454 OPS

    August 26, 2011 to September 22, 2011: .175/.250/.275 for a .525 OPS

    August 18, 2014 to September 11, 2014: .182/.244/.247 for a .491 OPS

    April 6, 2015 to April 29, 2015: .114/.198/.200 for a .398 OPS

    In other words, Utley has never had this level of failure before. He's come somewhat close, but what he's doing now is in a different league.

    But is there reason for optimism? That Utley can break out of this? Here, I think we can say yes, though it has to be qualified. The qualification is that Utley has been struggling for a while now. If you go back to last year, from August 17 through yesterday, Utley has had a really terrible triple-slash line - .172/.245/.256 for a .501 OPS. That's 58 games of Michael-Martinez-esque production from him. The funk he's in currently is worse, but he's been having troubles now for two and a half months of baseball.

    Still, the reason to hope that this is not the new normal for Utley is that his batting average on balls in play is off-the-charts low. The lowest BABIP Utley has ever had for a season is .261 in 2011. So far this year, he's at .102. That figure is the worst of any major league player who has enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title. It's simply an unsustainable number.

    With a few more line drives falling for hits, ground balls finding holes, and fly balls finding gaps or getting to the wall, the hope here is that Chase should be back to some semblance of his old self.
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,529

    so we all know he's about due for a 20 game hit streak or something, especially after this article came out. but it is worth noting just how terrible utley has been playing going back to the middle of last season. it's hard to watch:

    http://www.thegoodphight.com/2015/4/30/8521221/chase-utley-has-never-been-this-bad

    Chase Utley Has Never Been This Bad

    By David S. Cohen

    @dsc250 on Apr 30, 2015, 11:13a 22
    A rare Utley hit. - Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports

    It's really painful to watch Chase Utley these days, especially if you remove his game against Matt Harvey. Has he ever been this bad before?


    A good rule of thumb with baseball is that a player's hot or cold streak in the beginning of the season is usually not worth getting worked up over. The fact that it's the beginning of the season and there are no other stats for the year to moderate the start amplifies the hot or cold streak.

    Think of it this way - if a player hits .400/.550/.750 over the course of the first 15 games, that will be the glitzy stat line that appears next to his name. But, if he does it over the course of games 86 to 100, his overall stat line is going to be much more mundane.

    So it's always worth wondering, when a player has a hot or cold start, if the player has done this before at some point in his career. Not that it means anything particularly predictive to know this information, but as a fan, it is certainly comforting to know if a player has had terrible streaks and yet overcome them to still be productive.

    Which is what I've been wondering about Chase Utley's start to this season. We all know that he's been terrible in his first 21 games. His triple slash line looks like a misprint - .114/.198/.200 for an OPS of .398. Even worse, his wOBA is .167 and his wRC+ is a ridiculous 1 (for those not too familiar with this stat, it's one of those where 100 is league average).

    Take out his 2 home run game against Matt Harvey and it's even worse - .075/.156/.075 for an OPS of .230 (and a roughly calculated (thanks schmenkman!) wOBA of .098 and wRC+ of -47). These are numbers we normally associate with pitchers at the plate - bad ones. These are not numbers we associate with a potential future Hall of Famer.

    Has this ever happened before to Chase? Amidst his otherwise stellar career, has he had any funk this deep before?

    The clear answer sifting through his game logs for 21 game stretches is absolutely not. Chase Utley has never had anything close to this kind of a funk. Putting aside the overlap from the end of last season (more on that in a bit), here are Utley's worst three 21-game stretches before this one, with the current one at the end for comparison:

    May 25, 2010 to June 17, 2010: .158/.270/.184 for a .454 OPS

    August 26, 2011 to September 22, 2011: .175/.250/.275 for a .525 OPS

    August 18, 2014 to September 11, 2014: .182/.244/.247 for a .491 OPS

    April 6, 2015 to April 29, 2015: .114/.198/.200 for a .398 OPS

    In other words, Utley has never had this level of failure before. He's come somewhat close, but what he's doing now is in a different league.

    But is there reason for optimism? That Utley can break out of this? Here, I think we can say yes, though it has to be qualified. The qualification is that Utley has been struggling for a while now. If you go back to last year, from August 17 through yesterday, Utley has had a really terrible triple-slash line - .172/.245/.256 for a .501 OPS. That's 58 games of Michael-Martinez-esque production from him. The funk he's in currently is worse, but he's been having troubles now for two and a half months of baseball.

    Still, the reason to hope that this is not the new normal for Utley is that his batting average on balls in play is off-the-charts low. The lowest BABIP Utley has ever had for a season is .261 in 2011. So far this year, he's at .102. That figure is the worst of any major league player who has enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title. It's simply an unsustainable number.

    With a few more line drives falling for hits, ground balls finding holes, and fly balls finding gaps or getting to the wall, the hope here is that Chase should be back to some semblance of his old self.

    i guess that guy didn't get the memo that you are not allowed to criticize the Golden Boy. it's amazing how bad Chase has been and nary a reporter mentions it. I mean he is hitting 80 points lower than Howard. that should be almost impossible a month into the season.
  • JK_LivinJK_Livin Posts: 7,365
    pjhawks said:

    so we all know he's about due for a 20 game hit streak or something, especially after this article came out. but it is worth noting just how terrible utley has been playing going back to the middle of last season. it's hard to watch:

    http://www.thegoodphight.com/2015/4/30/8521221/chase-utley-has-never-been-this-bad

    Chase Utley Has Never Been This Bad

    By David S. Cohen

    @dsc250 on Apr 30, 2015, 11:13a 22
    A rare Utley hit. - Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports

    It's really painful to watch Chase Utley these days, especially if you remove his game against Matt Harvey. Has he ever been this bad before?


    A good rule of thumb with baseball is that a player's hot or cold streak in the beginning of the season is usually not worth getting worked up over. The fact that it's the beginning of the season and there are no other stats for the year to moderate the start amplifies the hot or cold streak.

    Think of it this way - if a player hits .400/.550/.750 over the course of the first 15 games, that will be the glitzy stat line that appears next to his name. But, if he does it over the course of games 86 to 100, his overall stat line is going to be much more mundane.

    So it's always worth wondering, when a player has a hot or cold start, if the player has done this before at some point in his career. Not that it means anything particularly predictive to know this information, but as a fan, it is certainly comforting to know if a player has had terrible streaks and yet overcome them to still be productive.

    Which is what I've been wondering about Chase Utley's start to this season. We all know that he's been terrible in his first 21 games. His triple slash line looks like a misprint - .114/.198/.200 for an OPS of .398. Even worse, his wOBA is .167 and his wRC+ is a ridiculous 1 (for those not too familiar with this stat, it's one of those where 100 is league average).

    Take out his 2 home run game against Matt Harvey and it's even worse - .075/.156/.075 for an OPS of .230 (and a roughly calculated (thanks schmenkman!) wOBA of .098 and wRC+ of -47). These are numbers we normally associate with pitchers at the plate - bad ones. These are not numbers we associate with a potential future Hall of Famer.

    Has this ever happened before to Chase? Amidst his otherwise stellar career, has he had any funk this deep before?

    The clear answer sifting through his game logs for 21 game stretches is absolutely not. Chase Utley has never had anything close to this kind of a funk. Putting aside the overlap from the end of last season (more on that in a bit), here are Utley's worst three 21-game stretches before this one, with the current one at the end for comparison:

    May 25, 2010 to June 17, 2010: .158/.270/.184 for a .454 OPS

    August 26, 2011 to September 22, 2011: .175/.250/.275 for a .525 OPS

    August 18, 2014 to September 11, 2014: .182/.244/.247 for a .491 OPS

    April 6, 2015 to April 29, 2015: .114/.198/.200 for a .398 OPS

    In other words, Utley has never had this level of failure before. He's come somewhat close, but what he's doing now is in a different league.

    But is there reason for optimism? That Utley can break out of this? Here, I think we can say yes, though it has to be qualified. The qualification is that Utley has been struggling for a while now. If you go back to last year, from August 17 through yesterday, Utley has had a really terrible triple-slash line - .172/.245/.256 for a .501 OPS. That's 58 games of Michael-Martinez-esque production from him. The funk he's in currently is worse, but he's been having troubles now for two and a half months of baseball.

    Still, the reason to hope that this is not the new normal for Utley is that his batting average on balls in play is off-the-charts low. The lowest BABIP Utley has ever had for a season is .261 in 2011. So far this year, he's at .102. That figure is the worst of any major league player who has enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title. It's simply an unsustainable number.

    With a few more line drives falling for hits, ground balls finding holes, and fly balls finding gaps or getting to the wall, the hope here is that Chase should be back to some semblance of his old self.

    i guess that guy didn't get the memo that you are not allowed to criticize the Golden Boy. it's amazing how bad Chase has been and nary a reporter mentions it. I mean he is hitting 80 points lower than Howard. that should be almost impossible a month into the season.
    I think most reporters have talked about Chase' struggles so far this year. At least on twitter they do.
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,529
    JK_Livin said:

    pjhawks said:

    so we all know he's about due for a 20 game hit streak or something, especially after this article came out. but it is worth noting just how terrible utley has been playing going back to the middle of last season. it's hard to watch:

    http://www.thegoodphight.com/2015/4/30/8521221/chase-utley-has-never-been-this-bad

    Chase Utley Has Never Been This Bad

    By David S. Cohen

    @dsc250 on Apr 30, 2015, 11:13a 22
    A rare Utley hit. - Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports

    It's really painful to watch Chase Utley these days, especially if you remove his game against Matt Harvey. Has he ever been this bad before?


    A good rule of thumb with baseball is that a player's hot or cold streak in the beginning of the season is usually not worth getting worked up over. The fact that it's the beginning of the season and there are no other stats for the year to moderate the start amplifies the hot or cold streak.

    Think of it this way - if a player hits .400/.550/.750 over the course of the first 15 games, that will be the glitzy stat line that appears next to his name. But, if he does it over the course of games 86 to 100, his overall stat line is going to be much more mundane.

    So it's always worth wondering, when a player has a hot or cold start, if the player has done this before at some point in his career. Not that it means anything particularly predictive to know this information, but as a fan, it is certainly comforting to know if a player has had terrible streaks and yet overcome them to still be productive.

    Which is what I've been wondering about Chase Utley's start to this season. We all know that he's been terrible in his first 21 games. His triple slash line looks like a misprint - .114/.198/.200 for an OPS of .398. Even worse, his wOBA is .167 and his wRC+ is a ridiculous 1 (for those not too familiar with this stat, it's one of those where 100 is league average).

    Take out his 2 home run game against Matt Harvey and it's even worse - .075/.156/.075 for an OPS of .230 (and a roughly calculated (thanks schmenkman!) wOBA of .098 and wRC+ of -47). These are numbers we normally associate with pitchers at the plate - bad ones. These are not numbers we associate with a potential future Hall of Famer.

    Has this ever happened before to Chase? Amidst his otherwise stellar career, has he had any funk this deep before?

    The clear answer sifting through his game logs for 21 game stretches is absolutely not. Chase Utley has never had anything close to this kind of a funk. Putting aside the overlap from the end of last season (more on that in a bit), here are Utley's worst three 21-game stretches before this one, with the current one at the end for comparison:

    May 25, 2010 to June 17, 2010: .158/.270/.184 for a .454 OPS

    August 26, 2011 to September 22, 2011: .175/.250/.275 for a .525 OPS

    August 18, 2014 to September 11, 2014: .182/.244/.247 for a .491 OPS

    April 6, 2015 to April 29, 2015: .114/.198/.200 for a .398 OPS

    In other words, Utley has never had this level of failure before. He's come somewhat close, but what he's doing now is in a different league.

    But is there reason for optimism? That Utley can break out of this? Here, I think we can say yes, though it has to be qualified. The qualification is that Utley has been struggling for a while now. If you go back to last year, from August 17 through yesterday, Utley has had a really terrible triple-slash line - .172/.245/.256 for a .501 OPS. That's 58 games of Michael-Martinez-esque production from him. The funk he's in currently is worse, but he's been having troubles now for two and a half months of baseball.

    Still, the reason to hope that this is not the new normal for Utley is that his batting average on balls in play is off-the-charts low. The lowest BABIP Utley has ever had for a season is .261 in 2011. So far this year, he's at .102. That figure is the worst of any major league player who has enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title. It's simply an unsustainable number.

    With a few more line drives falling for hits, ground balls finding holes, and fly balls finding gaps or getting to the wall, the hope here is that Chase should be back to some semblance of his old self.

    i guess that guy didn't get the memo that you are not allowed to criticize the Golden Boy. it's amazing how bad Chase has been and nary a reporter mentions it. I mean he is hitting 80 points lower than Howard. that should be almost impossible a month into the season.
    I think most reporters have talked about Chase' struggles so far this year. At least on twitter they do.
    but are they criticizing him? i don't think so. the one today in the Daily News basically said he has been unlucky. now the narrative is that his average on balls in play is so much lower than the average of the league that he is unlucky. i don't think its possible to be so unlucky that you are still hitting .118 on May 1st. even if some of those balls drop he would still be down around the .200 level.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    edited May 2015
    pjhawks said:

    JK_Livin said:

    pjhawks said:

    so we all know he's about due for a 20 game hit streak or something, especially after this article came out. but it is worth noting just how terrible utley has been playing going back to the middle of last season. it's hard to watch:

    http://www.thegoodphight.com/2015/4/30/8521221/chase-utley-has-never-been-this-bad

    Chase Utley Has Never Been This Bad

    By David S. Cohen

    @dsc250 on Apr 30, 2015, 11:13a 22
    A rare Utley hit. - Bill Streicher-USA TODAY Sports

    It's really painful to watch Chase Utley these days, especially if you remove his game against Matt Harvey. Has he ever been this bad before?


    A good rule of thumb with baseball is that a player's hot or cold streak in the beginning of the season is usually not worth getting worked up over. The fact that it's the beginning of the season and there are no other stats for the year to moderate the start amplifies the hot or cold streak.

    Think of it this way - if a player hits .400/.550/.750 over the course of the first 15 games, that will be the glitzy stat line that appears next to his name. But, if he does it over the course of games 86 to 100, his overall stat line is going to be much more mundane.

    So it's always worth wondering, when a player has a hot or cold start, if the player has done this before at some point in his career. Not that it means anything particularly predictive to know this information, but as a fan, it is certainly comforting to know if a player has had terrible streaks and yet overcome them to still be productive.

    Which is what I've been wondering about Chase Utley's start to this season. We all know that he's been terrible in his first 21 games. His triple slash line looks like a misprint - .114/.198/.200 for an OPS of .398. Even worse, his wOBA is .167 and his wRC+ is a ridiculous 1 (for those not too familiar with this stat, it's one of those where 100 is league average).

    Take out his 2 home run game against Matt Harvey and it's even worse - .075/.156/.075 for an OPS of .230 (and a roughly calculated (thanks schmenkman!) wOBA of .098 and wRC+ of -47). These are numbers we normally associate with pitchers at the plate - bad ones. These are not numbers we associate with a potential future Hall of Famer.

    Has this ever happened before to Chase? Amidst his otherwise stellar career, has he had any funk this deep before?

    The clear answer sifting through his game logs for 21 game stretches is absolutely not. Chase Utley has never had anything close to this kind of a funk. Putting aside the overlap from the end of last season (more on that in a bit), here are Utley's worst three 21-game stretches before this one, with the current one at the end for comparison:

    May 25, 2010 to June 17, 2010: .158/.270/.184 for a .454 OPS

    August 26, 2011 to September 22, 2011: .175/.250/.275 for a .525 OPS

    August 18, 2014 to September 11, 2014: .182/.244/.247 for a .491 OPS

    April 6, 2015 to April 29, 2015: .114/.198/.200 for a .398 OPS

    In other words, Utley has never had this level of failure before. He's come somewhat close, but what he's doing now is in a different league.

    But is there reason for optimism? That Utley can break out of this? Here, I think we can say yes, though it has to be qualified. The qualification is that Utley has been struggling for a while now. If you go back to last year, from August 17 through yesterday, Utley has had a really terrible triple-slash line - .172/.245/.256 for a .501 OPS. That's 58 games of Michael-Martinez-esque production from him. The funk he's in currently is worse, but he's been having troubles now for two and a half months of baseball.

    Still, the reason to hope that this is not the new normal for Utley is that his batting average on balls in play is off-the-charts low. The lowest BABIP Utley has ever had for a season is .261 in 2011. So far this year, he's at .102. That figure is the worst of any major league player who has enough plate appearances to qualify for the batting title. It's simply an unsustainable number.

    With a few more line drives falling for hits, ground balls finding holes, and fly balls finding gaps or getting to the wall, the hope here is that Chase should be back to some semblance of his old self.

    i guess that guy didn't get the memo that you are not allowed to criticize the Golden Boy. it's amazing how bad Chase has been and nary a reporter mentions it. I mean he is hitting 80 points lower than Howard. that should be almost impossible a month into the season.
    I think most reporters have talked about Chase' struggles so far this year. At least on twitter they do.
    but are they criticizing him? i don't think so. the one today in the Daily News basically said he has been unlucky. now the narrative is that his average on balls in play is so much lower than the average of the league that he is unlucky. i don't think its possible to be so unlucky that you are still hitting .118 on May 1st. even if some of those balls drop he would still be down around the .200 level.
    put it this way: if rollins had been this bad for what equates to almost a full season now, there would be way more attention devoted to it than what chase has received.


    that said, he did smack a 3 run bomb last night. maybe he has awakened from his slumber?
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,056

    So looks like them being patient with Hamels is shaping up to be the right move. Gotta think the Phils are in better position to trade him now than at any point in the offseason. I didn't understand the people who were in such a rush to trade him 4 months ago-it's not like he's blocking a spot in the rotation for Nola or Biddle yet...

    Just stay healthy Cole!

    just as long as they ignore today's game :lol:
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  • eeriepadaveeeriepadave Posts: 42,056

    Send Buchannan to AAA!!!

    0-5 with an 8.76 ERA???

    they listened to me! :lol:
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908
    chase has played in 25 games this year and has a hit in 7 of them. watching him this year reminds me of schmidt's last days in uniform....

    i can handle bad phillies teams. but the fact that this one is so dreadful, yet it's still constituted of a lot of the guys who brought us our only title in 30 years just makes it all the more sad---then you throw on tom mccarthy describing each and every play and it makes you want to vomit even more.
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