Gosh. I knew he was a right-winger, but somehow I didn't know that The Godfather was an honest to god homophobe until today. :-<
... Which is better than harboring those beliefs, but lying to everyone about it. I think it is better to be honest, than dishonest. I also believe it is better to have an open acceptance towards people and give them the benefit of proving themselves as individual humans, than to close the door on millions of people due to fears of stereo-typed characterizations of a whole class of humans. So, i suppose, i would rather have someone be a homophobe and open about it... rather than a homophobe that is lying to me. It's nice to know who you are dealing with and where they are coming from. But, that's just me.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
old school jesse ventura walks into a bar in some bullshit hick town in arizona he asks the guy behind the bar for a cold one the bartender looks in amazement at the boa wearing feminine-beefcake looking weirdo & says nope, we don't serve homosexuals because it's our right jesse body slams the idiot bartender (it's my right to beat your stupid ass too) slaps the guy stupid & rips a keg out of the bar with his barehands & strolls out of the bar with keg on shoulder where seven women follow jesse home just then the navy seal commander for jesse's seal team calls & jesse saves the world again while dressed like a flaming beefcake showgirl
moral to the story arizona politicians may be dumb as shit
Gosh. I knew he was a right-winger, but somehow I didn't know that The Godfather was an honest to god homophobe until today. :-<
... Which is better than harboring those beliefs, but lying to everyone about it. I think it is better to be honest, than dishonest. I also believe it is better to have an open acceptance towards people and give them the benefit of proving themselves as individual humans, than to close the door on millions of people due to fears of stereo-typed characterizations of a whole class of humans. So, i suppose, i would rather have someone be a homophobe and open about it... rather than a homophobe that is lying to me. It's nice to know who you are dealing with and where they are coming from. But, that's just me.
Well you have a point.... It's nice to know exactly what you're dealing with. But in the end I don't really care either way. A homophobe's a homophobe. I'm not going to give kudos to a bigot just because he admitted he is one.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Something else I really don't like about this law is the way it tries to shield itself behind the First Amendment right to Freedom of Religion. We are granted the birthright to choose to practice whatever religion we want. It does not give us the right to impose our religion on others. ... And I don't get the whole religion apect being argued by the law's proponents. I thought Christians followed the New Testament of Jesus Christ. Sure, they follow the old Testament... but, still find time to disregard parts they don't agree with... like working on Sunday... or eating bacon. If you are going to cite Leviticus as your justification... why don't you follow ALL the laws in Leviticus?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
As expected, the bill was vetoed by Gov. Brewer. The last thing she wanted was more grief caused by the extremists on the Right Wing. ... Also, I am ALL for protecting religious freedom in America. I am completely opposed to using religion and an excuse to exclude Americans from participating in America.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Something else I really don't like about this law is the way it tries to shield itself behind the First Amendment right to Freedom of Religion. We are granted the birthright to choose to practice whatever religion we want. It does not give us the right to impose our religion on others. ... And I don't get the whole religion apect being argued by the law's proponents. I thought Christians followed the New Testament of Jesus Christ. Sure, they follow the old Testament... but, still find time to disregard parts they don't agree with... like working on Sunday... or eating bacon. If you are going to cite Leviticus as your justification... why don't you follow ALL the laws in Leviticus?
i like the people who say "the bible sez its adam and eve, not adam and steve...." you ask what book that is in and they tell you its in the old testament. they are against homosexuality, but they have no issue with lot shagging his daughter.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
Something else I really don't like about this law is the way it tries to shield itself behind the First Amendment right to Freedom of Religion. We are granted the birthright to choose to practice whatever religion we want. It does not give us the right to impose our religion on others. ... And I don't get the whole religion apect being argued by the law's proponents. I thought Christians followed the New Testament of Jesus Christ. Sure, they follow the old Testament... but, still find time to disregard parts they don't agree with... like working on Sunday... or eating bacon. If you are going to cite Leviticus as your justification... why don't you follow ALL the laws in Leviticus?
i like the people who say "the bible sez its adam and eve, not adam and steve...." you ask what book that is in and they tell you its in the old testament. they are against homosexuality, but they have no issue with lot shagging his daughter.
.. And what about Adam and Eve? They had 3 sons... Cain, Abel and Seth. Where did THEIR kids come from? If Eve was the only woman... doesn't it mean incest?
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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I keep waiting for P.O.D. to chime in here. O Prince, where art thou?
"Pretty cookies, heart squares all around, yeah!" -Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
Gosh. I knew he was a right-winger, but somehow I didn't know that The Godfather was an honest to god homophobe until today. :-<
homophobe ? that means "fear of gay people" ? there is no fear involved at all ,if you don't like eating corn on the cob would that make you a cornophobe ? gay's (men and women) are just not the circle of people I hang with or want to hang with and has nothing to do with fear it's a personal choice,are there people you don't have in your circle of friends for what ever reason that has nothing to do with fear ? it does not mean I wish any bad upon them and besides the article stated that it did not mention gay's but they assumed it so now are the people assuming this called "hedrophobes" because they are affraid of straight people ?...homophobe is a word that is misused around here my friend,it's almost like a last great attempt at getting in the last word to end a debate. at the end of the day all is well.
but um, why can't you invite a openly gay man into conversation?
just not my thing man,as I responded tp PJ Soul above and it has nothing to do with hate or fear just a personal choice.
Godfather.
you really don't see how absurd your viewpoint is?
you could be talking to gay people here and you wouldn't even know it ... you're being called a homophobe because you are choosing to alienate yourself from that population base because of their sexual orientation ...
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I think someone can disagree with someone's orientation without being a bigot. It can be a "just not my thing" without being malicious.
I'm not attracted to men, I like women. I don't see why a man would attract another man. But I also don't care if two guys love each other and want to get married. It does not affect me. I say go for it.
I have bigger fish to fry and other things to worry about. People simply need to mind their own business and not concern themselves with what others do as long as nobody is being harmed.
Those that cry about the religious aspect and it being a "sin" are in no position to judge. Ultimately, if you are a believer, judgement is not in your hands. Leave people alone.
what word would you use instead of homophobe? sexual orientationist? it's got no ring. disagreement is fine, but "I won't be around them" is hated rooted in fear. man-up!
what word would you use instead of homophobe? sexual orientationist? it's got no ring. disagreement is fine, but "I won't be around them" is hated rooted in fear. man-up!
Right on but I have to share a Morgan Freeman quote that sums up my feelings on homophobes...
"I hate the word homophobia. It's not a phobia. You are not scared. You are an asshole."
i think they are scared. i think a few are scared because they are simple, and they fear all things they don't understand. I think most are scared that someone might discover they have the normal amount of homosexually oriented thoughts and feelings buried deep. (guess what guys, it's ok, it's normal..you can relax!) great quote though! the asshole part of the equation is exponentially greater than the fear.
but um, why can't you invite a openly gay man into conversation?
just not my thing man,as I responded tp PJ Soul above and it has nothing to do with hate or fear just a personal choice.
Godfather.
you really don't see how absurd your viewpoint is?
you could be talking to gay people here and you wouldn't even know it ... you're being called a homophobe because you are choosing to alienate yourself from that population base because of their sexual orientation ...
Gosh. I knew he was a right-winger, but somehow I didn't know that The Godfather was an honest to god homophobe until today. :-<
homophobe ? that means "fear of gay people" ? there is no fear involved at all ,if you don't like eating corn on the cob would that make you a cornophobe ? gay's (men and women) are just not the circle of people I hang with or want to hang with and has nothing to do with fear it's a personal choice,are there people you don't have in your circle of friends for what ever reason that has nothing to do with fear ? it does not mean I wish any bad upon them and besides the article stated that it did not mention gay's but they assumed it so now are the people assuming this called "hedrophobes" because they are affraid of straight people ?...homophobe is a word that is misused around here my friend,it's almost like a last great attempt at getting in the last word to end a debate. at the end of the day all is well.
Godfather.
Let's not get into semantics. I'm quite sure you acutally know what homophobe means, but just in case, FYI, it is used as a general term to describe those who are bigoted towards gay people. You are bigoted towards gay people. Be it due to fear or something else (hate? Disgust?), the word is largely understood to encompass the general sentiment. Btw, what is driving you other than feeling somehow threatened by their existence or nature (aka fear)?
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With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
but um, why can't you invite a openly gay man into conversation?
just not my thing man,as I responded tp PJ Soul above and it has nothing to do with hate or fear just a personal choice.
Godfather.
you really don't see how absurd your viewpoint is?
you could be talking to gay people here and you wouldn't even know it ... you're being called a homophobe because you are choosing to alienate yourself from that population base because of their sexual orientation ...
yea so ?
Godfather.
So you're a homophobe. Just own it, now that you've put it out there. No going back now.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
I think someone can disagree with someone's orientation without being a bigot. It can be a "just not my thing" without being malicious.
I'm not attracted to men, I like women. I don't see why a man would attract another man. But I also don't care if two guys love each other and want to get married. It does not affect me. I say go for it.
I have bigger fish to fry and other things to worry about. People simply need to mind their own business and not concern themselves with what others do as long as nobody is being harmed.
Those that cry about the religious aspect and it being a "sin" are in no position to judge. Ultimately, if you are a believer, judgement is not in your hands. Leave people alone.
Saying "I'm not gay" (or "it's just not my thing", as you put it), isn't the same as "disagreeing" with it. "Disagreeing" with someone's sexual orientation is like "disagreeing" with their skin colour.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
Which is better than harboring those beliefs, but lying to everyone about it. I think it is better to be honest, than dishonest. I also believe it is better to have an open acceptance towards people and give them the benefit of proving themselves as individual humans, than to close the door on millions of people due to fears of stereo-typed characterizations of a whole class of humans. So, i suppose, i would rather have someone be a homophobe and open about it... rather than a homophobe that is lying to me. It's nice to know who you are dealing with and where they are coming from. But, that's just me.
Well you have a point.... It's nice to know exactly what you're dealing with. But in the end I don't really care either way. A homophobe's a homophobe. I'm not going to give kudos to a bigot just because he admitted he is one.
... Just to set the record straight... I do not agree with racism or biggotry. I have little or no respect for those types of viewpoints or opinions. And YES, it degrades my respect for the person who carries those beliefs. I'm not saying I approve of racism or biggotry others harbor.. i'm just saying that it is better that the person is at least, honest with me in his/her racist and/or biggoted views. It allows me to process future comments closer to the truth. For example, the next time someone tries to tell me what a great guy they are and how they care about everyone... I'll know that is not true. So, it't not a matter of agreeing with the viewpoints or the opinions or the person... it is just appreciating the fact that they are making their racism/biggotry clear to me.... so i can react accordingly.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Which is better than harboring those beliefs, but lying to everyone about it. I think it is better to be honest, than dishonest. I also believe it is better to have an open acceptance towards people and give them the benefit of proving themselves as individual humans, than to close the door on millions of people due to fears of stereo-typed characterizations of a whole class of humans. So, i suppose, i would rather have someone be a homophobe and open about it... rather than a homophobe that is lying to me. It's nice to know who you are dealing with and where they are coming from. But, that's just me.
Well you have a point.... It's nice to know exactly what you're dealing with. But in the end I don't really care either way. A homophobe's a homophobe. I'm not going to give kudos to a bigot just because he admitted he is one.
... Just to set the record straight... I do not agree with racism or biggotry. I have little or no respect for those types of viewpoints or opinions. And YES, it degrades my respect for the person who carries those beliefs. I'm not saying I approve of racism or biggotry others harbor.. i'm just saying that it is better that the person is at least, honest with me in his/her racist and/or biggoted views. It allows me to process future comments closer to the truth. For example, the next time someone tries to tell me what a great guy they are and how they care about everyone... I'll know that is not true. So, it't not a matter of agreeing with the viewpoints or the opinions or the person... it is just appreciating the fact that they are making their racism/biggotry clear to me.... so i can react accordingly.
I understand. I was not under the impression that you are a bigot.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
what word would you use instead of homophobe? sexual orientationist? it's got no ring. disagreement is fine, but "I won't be around them" is hated rooted in fear. man-up!
homophobe ? that means "fear of gay people" ? there is no fear involved at all ,if you don't like eating corn on the cob would that make you a cornophobe ? gay's (men and women) are just not the circle of people I hang with or want to hang with and has nothing to do with fear it's a personal choice,are there people you don't have in your circle of friends for what ever reason that has nothing to do with fear ? it does not mean I wish any bad upon them and besides the article stated that it did not mention gay's but they assumed it so now are the people assuming this called "hedrophobes" because they are affraid of straight people ?...homophobe is a word that is misused around here my friend,it's almost like a last great attempt at getting in the last word to end a debate. at the end of the day all is well.
Godfather.
... I just want to address this specific comment: "gay's (men and women) are just not the circle of people I hang with or want to hang with and has nothing to do with fear it's a personal choice,are there people you don't have in your circle of friends for what ever reason that has nothing to do with fear ?" ... See... here's the thing... you can't tell if a person is gay, just by looking at them. How well do you know your co-workers.... your circle of friends? You may have friends who have kids that are gay... or siblings that are gay. The reason why you don't know is because your friends and co-workers know your opinions on gays and lesbians and they don't tell you. They may be your friends... but, it does not mean they respect you. ... Here's a story I've told here in the past. It's why I changed my views. Back in high school, I hung out with a group of friends that I go out surfing with and get high with and cruise for chicks with. One of my friends was this really good looking guy that the chicks really loved. Total, stereotypical blonde haired, blue eyed surfer dude that was also on the gynnastics team, which made him a kick ass surfer. Plus, he was the nicest guy that would help you out without any hesitation. It was great... we probably met more girls on the beaches of Huntington and Newport because of him... not our stoned, ugly, sorry asses. Anyway, we found out later that he was gay. It kind of made sense to me, years later. Although all the girls were attracted to him, he never really had a girlfriend. We didn't care at the time, we met girls because of him. But, all of my friends immediately hated him. I was conflicted, being just a dumb kid. He was never anything but nice and kind to me... and i really loved the guy like a brother. I felt like an asshole for abandoning him... so, I decided to still be friends with him. I knew I wasn't gay. And we still did meet a lot of girls... because of him, not me. I never worried that he would try to make a pass at me... we were just friends. My other friends gave me shit about it, calling me a fag, too. They were worried that he was checking them out... yeah, he's checking out fat, stupid, hairy, ugly ass stoners like them. But, you know what? Fuck those assholes. We were out of high school and I figured out that the only reason why we were friends was because we saw each other everyday. Of course, like everything... we get involved with our own lives and move on seperate paths. i have no idea what any of those guys are doing these days. But, I did learn from that. You can't tell who a person is, just by looking at them. But, eventually, they will show their true selves and it's up to you on how you react. ... I'm glad all that shit happened to me at a fairly young age. i believe it has made me more tolerant as an adult. It helped me outgrow ignorance.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
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Which is better than harboring those beliefs, but lying to everyone about it. I think it is better to be honest, than dishonest.
I also believe it is better to have an open acceptance towards people and give them the benefit of proving themselves as individual humans, than to close the door on millions of people due to fears of stereo-typed characterizations of a whole class of humans.
So, i suppose, i would rather have someone be a homophobe and open about it... rather than a homophobe that is lying to me. It's nice to know who you are dealing with and where they are coming from.
But, that's just me.
Hail, Hail!!!
old school jesse ventura walks into a bar in some bullshit hick town in arizona
he asks the guy behind the bar for a cold one
the bartender looks in amazement at the boa wearing feminine-beefcake looking weirdo & says
nope, we don't serve homosexuals because it's our right
jesse body slams the idiot bartender (it's my right to beat your stupid ass too)
slaps the guy stupid & rips a keg out of the bar with his barehands
& strolls out of the bar with keg on shoulder
where seven women follow jesse home
just then the navy seal commander for jesse's seal team calls
& jesse saves the world again while dressed like a flaming beefcake showgirl
moral to the story
arizona politicians may be dumb as shit
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
We are granted the birthright to choose to practice whatever religion we want. It does not give us the right to impose our religion on others.
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And I don't get the whole religion apect being argued by the law's proponents. I thought Christians followed the New Testament of Jesus Christ. Sure, they follow the old Testament... but, still find time to disregard parts they don't agree with... like working on Sunday... or eating bacon. If you are going to cite Leviticus as your justification... why don't you follow ALL the laws in Leviticus?
Hail, Hail!!!
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Also, I am ALL for protecting religious freedom in America. I am completely opposed to using religion and an excuse to exclude Americans from participating in America.
Hail, Hail!!!
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
And what about Adam and Eve? They had 3 sons... Cain, Abel and Seth. Where did THEIR kids come from?
If Eve was the only woman... doesn't it mean incest?
Hail, Hail!!!
-Eddie Vedder, "Smile"
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Godfather.
Godfather.
you could be talking to gay people here and you wouldn't even know it ... you're being called a homophobe because you are choosing to alienate yourself from that population base because of their sexual orientation ...
I'm not attracted to men, I like women. I don't see why a man would attract another man. But I also don't care if two guys love each other and want to get married. It does not affect me. I say go for it.
I have bigger fish to fry and other things to worry about. People simply need to mind their own business and not concern themselves with what others do as long as nobody is being harmed.
Those that cry about the religious aspect and it being a "sin" are in no position to judge. Ultimately, if you are a believer, judgement is not in your hands. Leave people alone.
it's got no ring.
disagreement is fine, but "I won't be around them" is hated rooted in fear.
man-up!
"I hate the word homophobia. It's not a phobia. You are not scared. You are an asshole."
I think most are scared that someone might discover they have the normal amount of homosexually oriented thoughts and feelings buried deep. (guess what guys, it's ok, it's normal..you can relax!)
great quote though! the asshole part of the equation is exponentially greater than the fear.
Godfather.
Definition of HOMOPHOBIA
: irrational fear of, aversion to, or discrimination against homosexuality or homosexuals
After Months Of Anti-Gay Fear Mongering, Fox Is Facing The Consequences Of Its Actions
http://mediamatters.org/blog/2014/02/26/fox-news-has-a-nasty-anti-gay-hangover/198236
Just to set the record straight... I do not agree with racism or biggotry. I have little or no respect for those types of viewpoints or opinions. And YES, it degrades my respect for the person who carries those beliefs.
I'm not saying I approve of racism or biggotry others harbor.. i'm just saying that it is better that the person is at least, honest with me in his/her racist and/or biggoted views. It allows me to process future comments closer to the truth.
For example, the next time someone tries to tell me what a great guy they are and how they care about everyone... I'll know that is not true.
So, it't not a matter of agreeing with the viewpoints or the opinions or the person... it is just appreciating the fact that they are making their racism/biggotry clear to me.... so i can react accordingly.
Hail, Hail!!!
Godfather.
I just want to address this specific comment:
"gay's (men and women) are just not the circle of people I hang with or want to hang with and has nothing to do with fear it's a personal choice,are there people you don't have in your circle of friends for what ever reason that has nothing to do with fear ?"
...
See... here's the thing... you can't tell if a person is gay, just by looking at them. How well do you know your co-workers.... your circle of friends? You may have friends who have kids that are gay... or siblings that are gay. The reason why you don't know is because your friends and co-workers know your opinions on gays and lesbians and they don't tell you. They may be your friends... but, it does not mean they respect you.
...
Here's a story I've told here in the past. It's why I changed my views.
Back in high school, I hung out with a group of friends that I go out surfing with and get high with and cruise for chicks with. One of my friends was this really good looking guy that the chicks really loved. Total, stereotypical blonde haired, blue eyed surfer dude that was also on the gynnastics team, which made him a kick ass surfer. Plus, he was the nicest guy that would help you out without any hesitation. It was great... we probably met more girls on the beaches of Huntington and Newport because of him... not our stoned, ugly, sorry asses.
Anyway, we found out later that he was gay. It kind of made sense to me, years later. Although all the girls were attracted to him, he never really had a girlfriend. We didn't care at the time, we met girls because of him.
But, all of my friends immediately hated him. I was conflicted, being just a dumb kid. He was never anything but nice and kind to me... and i really loved the guy like a brother. I felt like an asshole for abandoning him... so, I decided to still be friends with him. I knew I wasn't gay. And we still did meet a lot of girls... because of him, not me. I never worried that he would try to make a pass at me... we were just friends.
My other friends gave me shit about it, calling me a fag, too. They were worried that he was checking them out... yeah, he's checking out fat, stupid, hairy, ugly ass stoners like them. But, you know what? Fuck those assholes. We were out of high school and I figured out that the only reason why we were friends was because we saw each other everyday.
Of course, like everything... we get involved with our own lives and move on seperate paths. i have no idea what any of those guys are doing these days.
But, I did learn from that. You can't tell who a person is, just by looking at them. But, eventually, they will show their true selves and it's up to you on how you react.
...
I'm glad all that shit happened to me at a fairly young age. i believe it has made me more tolerant as an adult. It helped me outgrow ignorance.
Hail, Hail!!!