Permit to hunt endangered African black rhino sells for $350,000

grooveme

polaris_x said:

grooveme said:

If these hunters really wanted a sport and to help the rhino, they should try to hunt the poachers, who are also armed. At least that would be a "sport" with an equal chance to both participants.

arguably the best idea i've read on the AMT ...

Thank you! Actually, I feel sorry for the poachers, who are trying to feed their families. It is those who buy the horn that should really be shot

polaris_x

it's come down to this ...

hedonist

grooveme said:

polaris_x said:

grooveme said:

If these hunters really wanted a sport and to help the rhino, they should try to hunt the poachers, who are also armed. At least that would be a "sport" with an equal chance to both participants.

arguably the best idea i've read on the AMT ...

Thank you! Actually, I feel sorry for the poachers, who are trying to feed their families. It is those who buy the horn that should really be shot

I feel zero sympathy for the poachers (as I do the sport hunters).

There aren't less dishonorable, violent and just plain fucked up ways to make a living?

callen

rgambs said:

endangered rhinos notwithstanding. which is more humane? caging an animal in it's own filth, without a view of the sky, unable to walk about or even turn around, all for the intended purpose of being slaughtered by machines, and shipped to the local market....oooorrr a man who goes out into nature alone and (most of the time) respectfully kills and slaughters himself an animal which lived as it was intended in the open world??
I don't hunt and my point is not to defend hunting but to show how ridiculous many people's (not necessarily anyone here, though i did see some pretty vociferous attacks that may apply to hunting in general) views are on this topic..

Hunting/killing for food much different than hunting to establish ones manliness.

grooveme

polaris_x said:

it's come down to this ...

Craziness. But glad they have some protection

Bronx Bombers

grooveme said:

polaris_x said:

grooveme said:

If these hunters really wanted a sport and to help the rhino, they should try to hunt the poachers, who are also armed. At least that would be a "sport" with an equal chance to both participants.

arguably the best idea i've read on the AMT ...

Thank you! Actually, I feel sorry for the poachers, who are trying to feed their families. It is those who buy the horn that should really be shot

I don't feel sorry for them or their families let them starve, they're committing a crime by killing these animals. The best solution to deal with poachers is a shoot to kill policy.

grooveme

Bronx Bombers said:

grooveme said:

polaris_x said:

grooveme said:

If these hunters really wanted a sport and to help the rhino, they should try to hunt the poachers, who are also armed. At least that would be a "sport" with an equal chance to both participants.

arguably the best idea i've read on the AMT ...

Thank you! Actually, I feel sorry for the poachers, who are trying to feed their families. It is those who buy the horn that should really be shot

I don't feel sorry for them or their families let them starve, they're committing a crime by killing these animals. The best solution to deal with poachers is a shoot to kill policy.

I think that is the policy, and I agree with it!

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I find it interesting that some who do not agree with the death penalty for child murderers almost eagerly condone shooting poachers on the spot.

polaris_x

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I find it interesting that some who do not agree with the death penalty for child murderers almost eagerly condone shooting poachers on the spot.

well ... my position is tongue-in-cheek ... i definitely do not condone shooting poachers on the spot nor seriously having hunters hunt poachers ...

chadwick

i truly wish right this moment i was hunting rhino & elephant killers. i believe i'd be good at offing those nasty bastards. it wouldn't bother me at all... as far as i can tell anyhow. one-day maybe my dream will come true - sniper poachers
good shit

a tactic they should be using if they are not already... hang up bodies & heads on spears all over the place. signs read
kill a rhino/elephant get your dumb ass blown to pieces

this includes taking out the wealthy safari hunters, starving poachers & horn dealers on either end of the market
kill 'em all

sooner or later it will cease

they should be doing this with whalers & dolphin killers & many other beasts that jerk offs like killing.

callen

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I find it interesting that some who do not agree with the death penalty for child murderers almost eagerly condone shooting poachers on the spot.

HA you got me on that cause I wanted poachers exterminated.
Okay not really but good point.

rgambs

callen said:

rgambs said:

endangered rhinos notwithstanding. which is more humane? caging an animal in it's own filth, without a view of the sky, unable to walk about or even turn around, all for the intended purpose of being slaughtered by machines, and shipped to the local market....oooorrr a man who goes out into nature alone and (most of the time) respectfully kills and slaughters himself an animal which lived as it was intended in the open world??
I don't hunt and my point is not to defend hunting but to show how ridiculous many people's (not necessarily anyone here, though i did see some pretty vociferous attacks that may apply to hunting in general) views are on this topic..

Hunting/killing for food much different than hunting to establish ones manliness.

It isn't any different to the animals that are suffering!

Bronx Bombers

Speaking of poachers here's a story of a kenyan poacher who slaughtered over 70 elephants and was released after only a year in jail.


John Sumokwo was released from prison in Kenya two months ago, after serving a one-year sentence. He has killed, he admits, more than 70 elephants. He is not a member of a terrorist organisation, just an ordinary Kenyan man from a poor area.
The tusks he and his gang collected were sold on for £80 a kilo, meaning each dead elephant fetched around £10,000. By the time those tusks arrived in China, they were worth more like £250,000 to ivory buyers there.

It is this profit margin that has turned Africa’s elephants into “white gold”, and attracted the attention of its terrorist organisations. However, compared to the slaughter executed by militant groups on an industrial scale, Sumokwo’s methods seem primitive.

“We killed them with spears. They were extremely sharp. I would always have two spears because if you did not kill the elephant with the first one he would try to kill me,” he said, in an interview with the Daily Mirror.

“Elephants are not easy. If they see you they can run after you and kill you. I was chased several times, but I got more experience.

“I knew exactly where to put the spear. It has to go in near the heart, and then the elephant dies immediately. I would climb up a tree and I would wait for them to come to that area to graze. I studied their movements, so I knew exactly where they went.

“The more I killed, the longer it would take to get the next one because the elephants would remember where I hid and go a different way.

“As they approached, other men in my gang would push the animals and kick them, so they came in my direction.”

So effective were Sumokwo and his gang that they slaughtered an estimated one in seven of the elephants in the Lake Kamnarok Game Reserve, not far from the Ugandan border.

“I remember the way the elephants scream when they die,” he said. “When I killed the elephants, the others would shout. They were extremely distressed.

“They would run around looking for ways of defending the one I had attacked. I remember one young calf saw me kill her mum.

“She ran off for protection from other animals. My attacks were so frequent that the elephants could not mate and have calves. There were not enough male bull elephants left.

“To me, this was just business – I didn’t think about it any other way. The buyer gave me money and then sold it off to the big syndicates in Mombasa.”

The demise of elephants in such a manner is just one of the items on the agenda when delegates of more than 50 countries meet in London next week for a summit on the illegal wildlife trade.

Tigers, rhino, leopards and sharks are all in dire situations, fuelled by misguided beliefs in the medicinal properties of their body parts, their aesthetic values or their status as a delicacy for special occasions in prosperous Chinese society.

When the beasts that roam the back gardens of the world’s poorest people are transformed into multimillion-pound prizes by economic coincidence, it is hardly surprising they are struggling to survive.

The Independent is campaigning to ensure the summit on 12 and 13 February reaches meaningful decisions to educate Asian consumers about the catastrophic impact of buying products made from wild animals, and to do more to uphold the existing international ban on the ivory trade.

Recently, Kenya passed new laws including life sentences for those found guilty of poaching.

Lenient sentences such as that received by John Sumokwo are hopefully a thing of the past. But conservationists say local communities in poaching hot spots must be helped to develop sustainable economies so they will not be encouraged to support the complex international forces behind poaching.

The International Fund for Animal Welfare is also asking British people to donate unwanted ivory items for destruction.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/i-remember-the-way-elephants-scream-as-they-die-9111917.html

grooveme

Terrible