Permit to hunt endangered African black rhino sells for $350,000

polaris_x

ok - here is the bitter bitter truth ... the white and black rhinos are going by way of the dodo bird ... the people we should all be angry at are poachers and the the asians who seek parts of these animals on the black market based on myths ... the other side of that truth is preserving these rhinos is difficult in some parts of africa (like South Africa) because a lot of land where these rhinos live is private ... by the :"money going to conservation" - what they really mean is the money goes to the land owners to make a profit - that profit is the incentive for the land owner to maintain a healthy and possibly growing rhino population ...

as much as i despise trophy hunting - if it is done properly and the end result is the rhino population survives - i can accept it ... the crux of the problem is that when the motivation is for profit ... what is maybe an altruistic plan gets co-opted for greed which is what we've seen ... not all trophy hunting is done based on science and the health of population as it's motivation ...

chadwick

it is a fucking bullshit loop-hole for some trigger happy little candy ass cocksucker who enjoys his big rifles & has a thirst for safari blood. in other words he is a piece of dog shit. how about leave the critters alone?

ooo he's old & not fucking that means a human has the right to end his beautiful life? horse shit loop holes like this are for low lifes. honestly, i do want the guy dead. that would have me smile big. hopefully hopefully some rhino horns this piece of shit

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Jason P said:

Unless the $350K is being used to hire a MERC that will assasinate poachers, it will preserve diddly-squat.

It will most likely be used to preserve several cases of Dom Pérignon and some cool smoking jackets.

I need a smoking jacket. 10 Club should offer some really cool smoking jackets.

Just think at a pre-party if many members showed up in smoking jackets: "Yes. Yes indeed. Three encores is jolly fun!"

chadwick

Jason P said:

Unless the $350K is being used to hire a MERC that will assasinate poachers, it will preserve diddly-squat.

It will most likely be used to preserve several cases of Dom Pérignon and some cool smoking jackets.

thank you. i believe this is the case

chadwick

what of the old rhino not breeding? who cares, leave the dude be. he is on his retirement as an old badass who fully deserves to live out the rest of his natural days in peace with the earth & his fellow rhinos. i bet he can still horn the fuck out of "black death"

watch those videos on youtube... fantastic stuff. some badass rhino repeatedly thrusts his four foot spear up into the guts, lungs & throat of a cape buffalo/black death. it is a eye opener

mr. badass death in black finally breaks loose, strolls away & will slowly die among his herd as they rally around him holding him up.

man needs to stay the fuck out of nature's affairs

dignin

polaris_x said:

ok - here is the bitter bitter truth ... the white and black rhinos are going by way of the dodo bird ... the people we should all be angry at are poachers and the the asians who seek parts of these animals on the black market based on myths ... the other side of that truth is preserving these rhinos is difficult in some parts of africa (like South Africa) because a lot of land where these rhinos live is private ... by the :"money going to conservation" - what they really mean is the money goes to the land owners to make a profit - that profit is the incentive for the land owner to maintain a healthy and possibly growing rhino population ...

as much as i despise trophy hunting - if it is done properly and the end result is the rhino population survives - i can accept it ... the crux of the problem is that when the motivation is for profit ... what is maybe an altruistic plan gets co-opted for greed which is what we've seen ... not all trophy hunting is done based on science and the health of population as it's motivation ...

Holy shit! Never thought I would read this!

I agree with you by the way.

dignin

mattsl1983 said:

If the rhino is past breading age, and they can raise 350,000 to help with the conservation of the species, I don't see what the big issue is. Some people like to hunt, it's their thing. And it's for a great cause.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong but I think you may be wasting your breath here. This is a very emotional issue for some. I argued till I was blue in the face in the Lion thread.

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/224765/television-host-melissa-bachman-s-boast-about-lion-kill/p3

Admittedly I don't know very much about this Rhino debate so I'm going to stay out of it.

brianlux

My current thinking about all this: Rich macho assholes need to get over their Hemingway fixation and realize he was a great writer but a a fucked up dude who like to kill things. And while they're at it, consider that while they continue to exterminate the remaining large mammals they push another to the brink- homo sapiens.

"Whenever I see a photograph of some sportsman grinning over his kill, I am always impressed by the striking moral and aesthetic superiority of the dead animal to the live one."
-Edward Abbey

gimmesometruth27

not sure if this is a smoking jacket, but i would smoke in it...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

gimmesometruth27 said:

not sure if this is a smoking jacket, but i would smoke in it...

Well call me a moron.

I've had a smoking jacket and smoking pants all this time.

Now I just need to learn how to smoke and I can be sophisticated and awesome.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

By the way... that model needs to do some squats. The upper body is a little out of proportion with the lower body.

lukin2006

I don't believe most humans know shit about conservation ... there was a provincial park I used to visit regularly about 15 years ago or so in the spring ... it was beautiful ... there was white tail deer everywhere you went ... then someone in the MNR decided we needed a deer cull, you know to many deer. So this cull was carried out by first nations people. The long and the short of the story ... it more a rarity if you see deer in the park now. I stopped going there years ago, my sister in law still goes to the park in the spring but you really don't see any deer any more.

lukin2006

I also know people who live near the park and too this day they maintain far more deer was culled they was intended ... I believ the cull was in terms of length of time, not amount of deer.

polaris_x

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

If the rhino is past breading age, and they can raise 350,000 to help with the conservation of the species, I don't see what the big issue is. Some people like to hunt, it's their thing. And it's for a great cause.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong but I think you may be wasting your breath here. This is a very emotional issue for some. I argued till I was blue in the face in the Lion thread.

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/224765/television-host-melissa-bachman-s-boast-about-lion-kill/p3

Admittedly I don't know very much about this Rhino debate so I'm going to stay out of it.

dignin said:

polaris_x said:

ok - here is the bitter bitter truth ... the white and black rhinos are going by way of the dodo bird ... the people we should all be angry at are poachers and the the asians who seek parts of these animals on the black market based on myths ... the other side of that truth is preserving these rhinos is difficult in some parts of africa (like South Africa) because a lot of land where these rhinos live is private ... by the :"money going to conservation" - what they really mean is the money goes to the land owners to make a profit - that profit is the incentive for the land owner to maintain a healthy and possibly growing rhino population ...

as much as i despise trophy hunting - if it is done properly and the end result is the rhino population survives - i can accept it ... the crux of the problem is that when the motivation is for profit ... what is maybe an altruistic plan gets co-opted for greed which is what we've seen ... not all trophy hunting is done based on science and the health of population as it's motivation ...

Holy shit! Never thought I would read this!

I agree with you by the way.

the things i wrote in the other thread still hold true tho ...

i can accept trophy hunting is a necessary evil but it is still an evil ...

Thirty Bills Unpaid

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

If the rhino is past breading age, and they can raise 350,000 to help with the conservation of the species, I don't see what the big issue is. Some people like to hunt, it's their thing. And it's for a great cause.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong but I think you may be wasting your breath here. This is a very emotional issue for some. I argued till I was blue in the face in the Lion thread.

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/224765/television-host-melissa-bachman-s-boast-about-lion-kill/p3

Admittedly I don't know very much about this Rhino debate so I'm going to stay out of it.

dignin said:

polaris_x said:

ok - here is the bitter bitter truth ... the white and black rhinos are going by way of the dodo bird ... the people we should all be angry at are poachers and the the asians who seek parts of these animals on the black market based on myths ... the other side of that truth is preserving these rhinos is difficult in some parts of africa (like South Africa) because a lot of land where these rhinos live is private ... by the :"money going to conservation" - what they really mean is the money goes to the land owners to make a profit - that profit is the incentive for the land owner to maintain a healthy and possibly growing rhino population ...

as much as i despise trophy hunting - if it is done properly and the end result is the rhino population survives - i can accept it ... the crux of the problem is that when the motivation is for profit ... what is maybe an altruistic plan gets co-opted for greed which is what we've seen ... not all trophy hunting is done based on science and the health of population as it's motivation ...

Holy shit! Never thought I would read this!

I agree with you by the way.

the things i wrote in the other thread still hold true tho ...

i can accept trophy hunting is a necessary evil but it is still an evil ...

Shaking hands with the devil.

I can't accept it as a 'necessary evil' even though I get the idea of using it for profitability and advantage.

The contradiction is mind-blowing: the organization geared to protect the animal sells a license to kill the animal.

polaris_x

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Shaking hands with the devil.

I can't accept it as a 'necessary evil' even though I get the idea of using it for profitability and advantage.

The contradiction is mind-blowing: the organization geared to protect the animal sells a license to kill the animal.

it's only a necessary evil because of the way the odds are stacked against the rhino population ...

i'm not really trying to justify it either ... it's just that if ultimately we put the health of the rhino population as our primary goal - it is something we may have to live with ...

dignin

polaris_x said:

dignin said:

mattsl1983 said:

If the rhino is past breading age, and they can raise 350,000 to help with the conservation of the species, I don't see what the big issue is. Some people like to hunt, it's their thing. And it's for a great cause.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong but I think you may be wasting your breath here. This is a very emotional issue for some. I argued till I was blue in the face in the Lion thread.

http://community.pearljam.com/discussion/224765/television-host-melissa-bachman-s-boast-about-lion-kill/p3

Admittedly I don't know very much about this Rhino debate so I'm going to stay out of it.

dignin said:

polaris_x said:

ok - here is the bitter bitter truth ... the white and black rhinos are going by way of the dodo bird ... the people we should all be angry at are poachers and the the asians who seek parts of these animals on the black market based on myths ... the other side of that truth is preserving these rhinos is difficult in some parts of africa (like South Africa) because a lot of land where these rhinos live is private ... by the :"money going to conservation" - what they really mean is the money goes to the land owners to make a profit - that profit is the incentive for the land owner to maintain a healthy and possibly growing rhino population ...

as much as i despise trophy hunting - if it is done properly and the end result is the rhino population survives - i can accept it ... the crux of the problem is that when the motivation is for profit ... what is maybe an altruistic plan gets co-opted for greed which is what we've seen ... not all trophy hunting is done based on science and the health of population as it's motivation ...

Holy shit! Never thought I would read this!

I agree with you by the way.

the things i wrote in the other thread still hold true tho ...

i can accept trophy hunting is a necessary evil but it is still an evil ...

I agree, it's fucked up.

I do have a problem with the word evil though, brings the idea of religion into my head. But that's another conversation.

polaris_x

dignin said:

I agree, it's fucked up.

I do have a problem with the word evil though, brings the idea of religion into my head. But that's another conversation.

yeah - maybe evil isn't the right word ... maybe offensive ...

wanting to shoot an animal that is defenseless just to say you did is brutally offensive to me

chadwick

oh make no bones about it, this is evil

Aafke

So if I understand this correctly, a man pays a lot of money, to shoot a rhino, the money is for conservation of the rhino. Why does this man pay? So he can shoot some more later on in life?