Permit to hunt endangered African black rhino sells for $350,000

lukin2006

Permit to hunt endangered African black rhino sells for $350,000 at U.S. auction

http://blogs.windsorstar.com/2014/01/12/permit-to-hunt-endangered-african-black-rhino-sells-for-350000-at-dallas-auction/

mickeyrat

certainly not wild rhino? Has to be one of those "safari" parks here with "hunts" for entitled douchebags with too much time and money to waste. You know the type, a "real Man"

edit, I was wrong about place but think I'm on the money about who. Most backawards assed shit I've heard since trickle down economics.

By Nomaan Merchant And Michael Graczyk, The Associated Press

DALLAS — A permit to hunt an endangered African black rhino sold Saturday night for $350,000 at a Dallas auction held to raise money for conservation efforts but criticized by wildlife advocates.

Steve Wagner, a spokesman for the Dallas Safari Club, which sponsored the closed-door event, confirmed the sale of the permit for a hunt in the African nation of Namibia. He declined to name the buyer.

Ben Carter, executive director of the Safari Club, has defended the auction. He said all money raised will go toward protecting the species. He also said the rhino that the winner will be allowed to hunt is old, male and nonbreeding — and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive and threatening other wildlife.

But the auction drew howls from critics, including wildlife and animal rights groups, and the FBI earlier this week said it was investigating death threats against members of the club.

Officials from the Humane Society and the International Fund for Animal Welfare have said that while culling can be appropriate in abundant animal populations, all black rhinos should be protected, given their endangered status.

An estimated 4,000 black rhinos remain in the wild, down from 70,000 in the 1960s. Nearly 1,800 are in Namibia, according to the safari club.

Critics have also said any hunting of a rhino sends a bad message to the public.

“This auction is telling the world that an American will pay anything to kill their species,” Jeffrey Flocken, North American regional director of the Massachusetts-based IFAW, said earlier this week. “This is, in fact, making a spectacle of killing an endangered species.”
Dallas Safari Club executive director Ben Carter poses for a photo by the club clothing wear booth in the Dallas Exhibit Hall as preparations continue for the clubs weekend show, Wednesday, Jan. 8, 2014, in Dallas. The FBI is investigating death threats made against members of the Dallas Safari Club, which intends to auction off a rare permit to hunt an endangered black rhino, an FBI spokeswoman said Wednesday. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

Dallas Safari Club executive director Ben Carter poses for a photo by the club clothing wear booth in the Dallas Exhibit Hall as preparations continue for the clubs weekend show, Wednesday, Jan. 8, 2014, in Dallas. The FBI is investigating death threats made against members of the Dallas Safari Club, which intends to auction off a rare permit to hunt an endangered black rhino, an FBI spokeswoman said Wednesday. (AP Photo/Tony Gutierrez)

The auction took place Saturday night in downtown Dallas under tight security and behind closed doors. Organizers hoped to at least break the previous high bid for one of the permits in Namibia, which is $223,000, and had said the amount could be as high as $1 million. The nation offers five permits each year, and the one auctioned Saturday was the first to be made available for purchase outside of Namibia.

The winning bidder could have come from anywhere in the world, and at least some bidders were expected to enter by phone.

About 40 protesters gathered early Saturday evening outside the convention centre where the auction and a pre-auction dinner were to take place. They held signs and chanted. Most dispersed by just after 6 p.m. CST.

Jim and Lauren Ries travelled with their children from Atlanta to protest the auction of the rare black rhino hunting permit in Dallas. Jim Ries said it was his son Carter, 12, and daughter Olivia, 11, who pushed for them to go and participate.

“We heard what the Dallas Safari Club was doing and we thought it was just wrong that they were auctioning off to kill a black rhino and we really got upset that they were thinking this,” Carter Ries said.

Jim Ries said his children are passionate about animal conservation and were working to help adopt cheetahs in Africa. The family started a non-profit called One More Generation, dedicated to saving endangered species.

“There’s less than 5,000 black rhinos left on the planet,” the father said, “and if our kids ever want to see a rhino left in the wild, we can’t be pulling the trigger on every one we say is too old to breed.”

Poachers long have targeted all species of rhino, primarily for its horn, which is valuable on the international black market. Made of the protein keratin, the chief component in fingernails and hooves, the horn has been used in carvings and for medicinal purposes, mostly in Asia. The near-extinction of the species also has been attributed to habitat loss.

Associated Press video journalist John Mone contributed to this report. Graczyk reported from Houston.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Rich prick with tons of disposable cash shits all over the planet by 'buying' a license to kill a majestic animal that is endangered.

Should anyone be surprised?

While I completely understand the purpose of hunting for food... for the life of me, I cannot understand the mentality that motivates a person to place a trophy animal (endangered one at that) in their sights and shoot a bullet into it so that they can take parts of it and decorate their house.

The classic thing is these guys that pay to do these things are escorted in an armed expedition that safeguards them from any harm. I might have a bit of respect for them if they got dropped off into the wild by themselves and at least gave nature a fighting chance, but these hunts in Africa amount to just slightly more than the canned hunts we see in Texas:
drive up to a black rhino...
get out of vehicle (stepping on the back of one of the help to lessen the height of the step down)...
have your rifle handed to you by a guide...
have another guide point you in the direction of the animal...
have another guide aim your gun for you...
have another guide help you pull the trigger...
have the remaining guides shoot the animal dead as you miss badly...
have all the help say, "good shot" and pat you on the back while wiping your brow...
have a picture taken with your trophy...
have all the paid help butcher the animal into the parts you have selected for keeping...
have one of the help mix you a martini...
and, finally, go back to the US to throw cocktail parties and tell wild stories of your authentic safari hunting experience and how you braved the elements to take down a large mammal that sought to kill you.

lukin2006

These hunts are pointless accept to feed the ego of man who participates ... Unfortunately.

chadwick

i hope every single rhino killer dies a painful death with asshole cancer. that dallas safari club auction is for fucking candy ass wealthy pieces of dog shit.

Idris

I wish I had the money to bid on the Rhino,

Of course I'd be bidding to save the beast, not shoot it. Too bad some wealthy person with a heart didn't do that.

lukin2006

Just saw on the news that the money raised is going for conservation and someone from the club said "this is the best way to save the rhino". Hard to argue with logic like that .

Last-12-Exit

asshole cancer. )
sorry, but that was funny

chadwick

Last-12-Exit said:

asshole cancer. )
sorry, but that was funny

don't be sorry, im not. & it is a fact in my soul that feels that way. safari hunters should be targets themselves. in fact i hope & pray they each do get that horrible asshole cancer as well as punched in the nuts or vag & kicked in the teeth

gimmesometruth27

can i bid my salary for next month to be the first guy to punch this winning bidder in his fucking mouth?

Idris

gimmesometruth27 said:

can i bid my salary for next month to be the first guy to punch this winning bidder in his fucking mouth?

also quite funny,

Cosmo

"Ben Carter, executive director of the Safari Club, has defended the auction. He said all money raised will go toward protecting the species. He also said the rhino that the winner will be allowed to hunt is old, male and nonbreeding — and that the animal was likely to be targeted for removal anyway because it was becoming aggressive and threatening other wildlife."
...
Carter later added, 'We are also auctioning off permits for the winners to hunt old, males (and females), non-breeding from the American citizens population as selected by the ObamaCare 'Death Panels'... because, really... what's the difference?'
Carter was unable to return our calls after being shot by a permit winner.

chadwick

gimmesometruth27 said:

can i bid my salary for next month to be the first guy to punch this winning bidder in his fucking mouth?

i sooo wish you could. these kinds of people deserve a whole lot worse than a fucking fist to the chops.

mattsl1983

If the rhino is past breading age, and they can raise 350,000 to help with the conservation of the species, I don't see what the big issue is. Some people like to hunt, it's their thing. And it's for a great cause.

Bronx Bombers

Rhinoceros poaching in South Africa has surged at least 42 percent this year with nearly a 20th of the local herd killed as the demand for their horns, which is falsely believed to cure cancer and boost sexual prowess, continued to rise.

So far 946 rhinos have been poached in 2013, exceeding the 668 animals killed last year, the Department of Environmental Affairs said in an e-mailed statement today. Three hundred and thirty people have been arrested in 2013 for poaching-related offenses compared with 267 last year.

Kruger National Park, an area the size of Israel that borders Mozambique, was the region most affected by poaching with 573 of the animals killed, the department said. The country’s Limpopo province was the second highest with 106.

South Africa is militarizing its force of park rangers as poachers kill more rhinos to feed a market for horns in Vietnam and China. White and black rhinos were brought back from the brink of extinction in South Africa in the 1960s to a population of close to 20,000, about 90 percent of the global rhino population.

Most of them are the larger white rhinos, which can weigh more than two metric tons.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-12-19/south-africa-rhino-poaching-surges-at-least-42-from-2012.html

While this is good that this brings attention to the problem the real issue still lies with the chinese and Vietnamese and their bullshit beliefs, these animals will be extinct due to these savages it's just a matter of time.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mattsl1983 said:

If the rhino is past breading age, and they can raise 350,000 to help with the conservation of the species, I don't see what the big issue is. Some people like to hunt, it's their thing. And it's for a great cause.

Are you serious?

Some people like to kill rhinos so let's let them kill rhinos. It's for a good cause?

Who cares if the animal is past it's 'usefulness'? The point is to leave the animals alone and stop killing them for a few parts. Why would we cater to someone who has an urge to kill an animal so they can decorate their house with some of its parts just because they have the money to do so?

A good human being with such disposable income would contribute $350,000 to conservation efforts and saving the animals... not to take one down under the doing it for a good cause rationale.

hedonist

And..."useful" to whom?

My god but this shit just makes me sick. And angry.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Yup.

Sick.

Period.

mattsl1983

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

If the rhino is past breading age, and they can raise 350,000 to help with the conservation of the species, I don't see what the big issue is. Some people like to hunt, it's their thing. And it's for a great cause.

Are you serious?

Some people like to kill rhinos so let's let them kill rhinos. It's for a good cause?

Who cares if the animal is past it's 'usefulness'? The point is to leave the animals alone and stop killing them for a few parts. Why would we cater to someone who has an urge to kill an animal so they can decorate their house with some of its parts just because they have the money to do so?

A good human being with such disposable income would contribute $350,000 to conservation efforts and saving the animals... not to take one down under the doing it for a good cause rationale.

I am 100 percent serious.

The hunter can do with whatever he wants with the parts. He's not out there poaching them. He put in the highest bid. He has 350,000 going towards their cause more than they had. It is also mentioned that the rhino has been under the consideration of being removed anyways due to it acting more and more aggressive. It's a win win. Hunter gets to hunt a rhino, the rhinos get 350,000 towards their conservation. Instead of getting upset or mad at this, look at the real issue and why this happened. These hunters that bid on this aren't the issue. Poaching is the issue. And there is a huge difference between big game hunters, and poachers.

I don't know how you can say a good human being with that much disposable income would just donate it. Do you know the person that placed the highest bid? Is he really that bad of a guy? What did he do to not be a "good" human being?

Just because you personally don't agree with something doesn't make it bad, or evil, or wrong.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mattsl1983 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

If the rhino is past breading age, and they can raise 350,000 to help with the conservation of the species, I don't see what the big issue is. Some people like to hunt, it's their thing. And it's for a great cause.

Are you serious?

Some people like to kill rhinos so let's let them kill rhinos. It's for a good cause?

Who cares if the animal is past it's 'usefulness'? The point is to leave the animals alone and stop killing them for a few parts. Why would we cater to someone who has an urge to kill an animal so they can decorate their house with some of its parts just because they have the money to do so?

A good human being with such disposable income would contribute $350,000 to conservation efforts and saving the animals... not to take one down under the doing it for a good cause rationale.

I am 100 percent serious.

The hunter can do with whatever he wants with the parts. He's not out there poaching them. He put in the highest bid. He has 350,000 going towards their cause more than they had. It is also mentioned that the rhino has been under the consideration of being removed anyways due to it acting more and more aggressive. It's a win win. Hunter gets to hunt a rhino, the rhinos get 350,000 towards their conservation. Instead of getting upset or mad at this, look at the real issue and why this happened. These hunters that bid on this aren't the issue. Poaching is the issue. And there is a huge difference between big game hunters, and poachers.

I don't know how you can say a good human being with that much disposable income would just donate it. Do you know the person that placed the highest bid? Is he really that bad of a guy? What did he do to not be a "good" human being?

Just because you personally don't agree with something doesn't make it bad, or evil, or wrong.

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Godfather.

wow ....pretty harsh name calling and judging coming from the train,I don't agree with trophy hunting either but you guys are like sharks in a feeding frenzy, has anybody on here studied human nature ?....me either but I also know that we are all wired differently,to some we are here to conquor and be the best at what ever we do ..you know top of the food chain type thing after all in the beginning that's what we did,who do you think wiped out the cromagnon species..I put my money on us and we did it to survive most likely and maybe just because killing and domonation is just part of who we are as a species on earth...anywho... there is a lot more to the actions of others than the simple shit we talk about them.


Godfather.

chadwick

say what, godfather?

mattsl1983... you are wrong & that is a fact.

again... asshole cancer to the next piece of trash who kills any rhino, white ones or the black ones. same w/ elephant murderers. i would love to fight these idiots. it would be fun to bury a knife in some safari hunter's fat stupid neck in about 3 seconds & not even give a shit.

mattsl1983

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

chadwick

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

are you drinking a lot this afternoon? where is the 350 grand going? you have no fucking idea what the truth is about this topic.

how about leave the rhino alone! old & cranky? oooo the old guy is getting more aggressive...good. hopefully he stomps a few idiots to death before the trigger is pulled.

this fucking safari hunting outfit is nothing but a candy ass group of sissys with little guy syndrome

mattsl1983

chadwick said:

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

are you drinking a lot this afternoon? where is the 350 grand going? you have no fucking idea what the truth is about this topic.

how about leave the rhino alone! old & cranky? oooo the old guy is getting more aggressive...good. hopefully he stomps a few idiots to death before the trigger is pulled.

this fucking safari hunting outfit is nothing but a candy ass group of sissys with little guy syndrome

Please enlighten me on what I have no idea about? While you are at it, can you tell me what you've done for these rhinos to help with their conservation?

And no. Sadly I'm not drinking, otherwise I would probably be using the "f" word, type like I'm in a drunken rage, and not capitalize the first word in my sentences.

chadwick

mattsl1983 said:

chadwick said:

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

are you drinking a lot this afternoon? where is the 350 grand going? you have no fucking idea what the truth is about this topic.

how about leave the rhino alone! old & cranky? oooo the old guy is getting more aggressive...good. hopefully he stomps a few idiots to death before the trigger is pulled.

this fucking safari hunting outfit is nothing but a candy ass group of sissys with little guy syndrome

Please enlighten me on what I have no idea about? While you are at it, can you tell me what you've done for these rhinos to help with their conservation?

And no. Sadly I'm not drinking, otherwise I would probably be using the "f" word, type like I'm in a drunken rage, and not capitalize the first word in my sentences.

i don't use capital letters. i am positive you do not write as much as i do so your little remark about capitalizing the first word in my sentence means nothing to me.

what have i done for rhino conservation? i haven't supported the murder of any rhino while could it be maybe you have supported such a vile act? yes i would say you have with your comments here.

i love those ex-special forces guys who go over there to protect the rhinos. what a great job. if i could reverse my life i'd do what they are doing. killing rhino & elephant murderers would be worthy of erection

asshole cancer... yes/no?

mattsl1983

chadwick said:

mattsl1983 said:

chadwick said:

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

are you drinking a lot this afternoon? where is the 350 grand going? you have no fucking idea what the truth is about this topic.

how about leave the rhino alone! old & cranky? oooo the old guy is getting more aggressive...good. hopefully he stomps a few idiots to death before the trigger is pulled.

this fucking safari hunting outfit is nothing but a candy ass group of sissys with little guy syndrome

Please enlighten me on what I have no idea about? While you are at it, can you tell me what you've done for these rhinos to help with their conservation?

And no. Sadly I'm not drinking, otherwise I would probably be using the "f" word, type like I'm in a drunken rage, and not capitalize the first word in my sentences.

i don't use capital letters. i am positive you do not write as much as i do so your little remark about capitalizing the first word in my sentence means nothing to me.

what have i done for rhino conservation? i haven't supported the murder of any rhino while could it be maybe you have supported such a vile act? yes i would say you have with your comments here.

i love those ex-special forces guys who go over there to protect the rhinos. what a great job. if i could reverse my life i'd do what they are doing. killing rhino & elephant murderers would be worthy of erection

asshole cancer... yes/no?

Such a thought provoking reply. I tip my hat to the people that fight to protect them from being illegally poached. However this person is not an illegal poacher, he is a hunter that spent a lot of money for the right to legally hunt one. While adding a ton of money towards their conservation. He is not the reason the animal is endangered, poachers are. I personally have no problem with it. I am sorry you have a huge problem with it and wish cancer on people. Which I personally think is one of the most horrible things you could ever say to someone, and that there is never even a remote way you could rationalize saying that to someone, but that's me. Also, you can't really murder a rhino. Murder only applies to the killing of a person, not an animal.

chadwick

where did you come from? you new here? i've never read the name, "mattsl1983"

is that the year you were born? so when the japanese slaughter hundreds of dolphins in their little bay or harpoon some whales out to sea this is not murder to you? guess what, matt? it is fucking murder

by the way just so you understand me... ted nugent is a piece of shit trophy hunter who should be shot his own darn self, then mounted on a wall for shits & giggles.

mattsl1983

chadwick said:

where did you come from? you new here? i've never read the name, "mattsl1983"

is that the year you were born? so when the japanese slaughter hundreds of dolphins in their little bay or harpoon some whales out to sea this is not murder to you? guess what, matt? it is fucking murder

by the way just so you understand me... ted nugent is a piece of shit trophy hunter who should be shot his own darn self, then mounted on a wall for shits & giggles.

I was really concerned I didn't understand you, thanks for letting me know how you feel about Ted. Ted by the way has also done more for wildlife conservation than you ever will. Hope you have a good one, keep fighting your good fight on this thread.

hedonist

I wonder if the term "illegal poaching" is an oxymoron.

matts, as you can see, there's much passion related to this topic. My small self just can't wrap her head around the notion of "hunting" an animal for anything other than survivalism. I get that the fellow's bid is putting money to help other rhinos, but who is anyone to say this old animal deserves to have its life ended because of parameters set by us?

And speaking of wondering, how does this supposed hunt go down? He's an aged animal. Does the hunter just go up to him and shoot? Is a hunt manipulated somehow? What happens to the animal afterward? Skinned, de-horned, photo-ops?

I'm usually pretty rational, but this just doesn't sit well with my sense - granted, it's subjective, but still - of what's right.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

Pardon me?

Outside of the fact that poorer people tend to poach and rich people who can afford expensive licenses 'hunt legally'... what is the difference between poaching and legal hunting? The bottom line is in either scenario a black rhino is killed for its horn.

You strive to foolishly rationalize it, while I don't see any difference... and neither does the rhino.

The fact that you eagerly overlook this man's 'need' to go kill a near extinct animal by exclaiming he's 'helping the cause' is ridiculous. As I said before, if he has that type of money and he's truly interested in conservation... then he would donate the money and go take photographs of the animal instead of killing it like poachers do.

Try again.