Permit to hunt endangered African black rhino sells for $350,000

chadwick

say what, godfather?

mattsl1983... you are wrong & that is a fact.

again... asshole cancer to the next piece of trash who kills any rhino, white ones or the black ones. same w/ elephant murderers. i would love to fight these idiots. it would be fun to bury a knife in some safari hunter's fat stupid neck in about 3 seconds & not even give a shit.

mattsl1983

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

chadwick

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

are you drinking a lot this afternoon? where is the 350 grand going? you have no fucking idea what the truth is about this topic.

how about leave the rhino alone! old & cranky? oooo the old guy is getting more aggressive...good. hopefully he stomps a few idiots to death before the trigger is pulled.

this fucking safari hunting outfit is nothing but a candy ass group of sissys with little guy syndrome

mattsl1983

chadwick said:

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

are you drinking a lot this afternoon? where is the 350 grand going? you have no fucking idea what the truth is about this topic.

how about leave the rhino alone! old & cranky? oooo the old guy is getting more aggressive...good. hopefully he stomps a few idiots to death before the trigger is pulled.

this fucking safari hunting outfit is nothing but a candy ass group of sissys with little guy syndrome

Please enlighten me on what I have no idea about? While you are at it, can you tell me what you've done for these rhinos to help with their conservation?

And no. Sadly I'm not drinking, otherwise I would probably be using the "f" word, type like I'm in a drunken rage, and not capitalize the first word in my sentences.

chadwick

mattsl1983 said:

chadwick said:

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

are you drinking a lot this afternoon? where is the 350 grand going? you have no fucking idea what the truth is about this topic.

how about leave the rhino alone! old & cranky? oooo the old guy is getting more aggressive...good. hopefully he stomps a few idiots to death before the trigger is pulled.

this fucking safari hunting outfit is nothing but a candy ass group of sissys with little guy syndrome

Please enlighten me on what I have no idea about? While you are at it, can you tell me what you've done for these rhinos to help with their conservation?

And no. Sadly I'm not drinking, otherwise I would probably be using the "f" word, type like I'm in a drunken rage, and not capitalize the first word in my sentences.

i don't use capital letters. i am positive you do not write as much as i do so your little remark about capitalizing the first word in my sentence means nothing to me.

what have i done for rhino conservation? i haven't supported the murder of any rhino while could it be maybe you have supported such a vile act? yes i would say you have with your comments here.

i love those ex-special forces guys who go over there to protect the rhinos. what a great job. if i could reverse my life i'd do what they are doing. killing rhino & elephant murderers would be worthy of erection

asshole cancer... yes/no?

mattsl1983

chadwick said:

mattsl1983 said:

chadwick said:

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

are you drinking a lot this afternoon? where is the 350 grand going? you have no fucking idea what the truth is about this topic.

how about leave the rhino alone! old & cranky? oooo the old guy is getting more aggressive...good. hopefully he stomps a few idiots to death before the trigger is pulled.

this fucking safari hunting outfit is nothing but a candy ass group of sissys with little guy syndrome

Please enlighten me on what I have no idea about? While you are at it, can you tell me what you've done for these rhinos to help with their conservation?

And no. Sadly I'm not drinking, otherwise I would probably be using the "f" word, type like I'm in a drunken rage, and not capitalize the first word in my sentences.

i don't use capital letters. i am positive you do not write as much as i do so your little remark about capitalizing the first word in my sentence means nothing to me.

what have i done for rhino conservation? i haven't supported the murder of any rhino while could it be maybe you have supported such a vile act? yes i would say you have with your comments here.

i love those ex-special forces guys who go over there to protect the rhinos. what a great job. if i could reverse my life i'd do what they are doing. killing rhino & elephant murderers would be worthy of erection

asshole cancer... yes/no?

Such a thought provoking reply. I tip my hat to the people that fight to protect them from being illegally poached. However this person is not an illegal poacher, he is a hunter that spent a lot of money for the right to legally hunt one. While adding a ton of money towards their conservation. He is not the reason the animal is endangered, poachers are. I personally have no problem with it. I am sorry you have a huge problem with it and wish cancer on people. Which I personally think is one of the most horrible things you could ever say to someone, and that there is never even a remote way you could rationalize saying that to someone, but that's me. Also, you can't really murder a rhino. Murder only applies to the killing of a person, not an animal.

chadwick

where did you come from? you new here? i've never read the name, "mattsl1983"

is that the year you were born? so when the japanese slaughter hundreds of dolphins in their little bay or harpoon some whales out to sea this is not murder to you? guess what, matt? it is fucking murder

by the way just so you understand me... ted nugent is a piece of shit trophy hunter who should be shot his own darn self, then mounted on a wall for shits & giggles.

mattsl1983

chadwick said:

where did you come from? you new here? i've never read the name, "mattsl1983"

is that the year you were born? so when the japanese slaughter hundreds of dolphins in their little bay or harpoon some whales out to sea this is not murder to you? guess what, matt? it is fucking murder

by the way just so you understand me... ted nugent is a piece of shit trophy hunter who should be shot his own darn self, then mounted on a wall for shits & giggles.

I was really concerned I didn't understand you, thanks for letting me know how you feel about Ted. Ted by the way has also done more for wildlife conservation than you ever will. Hope you have a good one, keep fighting your good fight on this thread.

hedonist

I wonder if the term "illegal poaching" is an oxymoron.

matts, as you can see, there's much passion related to this topic. My small self just can't wrap her head around the notion of "hunting" an animal for anything other than survivalism. I get that the fellow's bid is putting money to help other rhinos, but who is anyone to say this old animal deserves to have its life ended because of parameters set by us?

And speaking of wondering, how does this supposed hunt go down? He's an aged animal. Does the hunter just go up to him and shoot? Is a hunt manipulated somehow? What happens to the animal afterward? Skinned, de-horned, photo-ops?

I'm usually pretty rational, but this just doesn't sit well with my sense - granted, it's subjective, but still - of what's right.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

Pardon me?

Outside of the fact that poorer people tend to poach and rich people who can afford expensive licenses 'hunt legally'... what is the difference between poaching and legal hunting? The bottom line is in either scenario a black rhino is killed for its horn.

You strive to foolishly rationalize it, while I don't see any difference... and neither does the rhino.

The fact that you eagerly overlook this man's 'need' to go kill a near extinct animal by exclaiming he's 'helping the cause' is ridiculous. As I said before, if he has that type of money and he's truly interested in conservation... then he would donate the money and go take photographs of the animal instead of killing it like poachers do.

Try again.

mattsl1983

hedonist said:

I wonder if the term "illegal poaching" is an oxymoron.

matts, as you can see, there's much passion related to this topic. My small self just can't wrap her head around the notion of "hunting" an animal for anything other than survivalism. I get that the fellow's bid is putting money to help other rhinos, but who is anyone to say this old animal deserves to have its life ended because of parameters set by us?

And speaking of wondering, how does this supposed hunt go down? He's an aged animal. Does the hunter just go up to him and shoot? Is a hunt manipulated somehow? What happens to the animal afterward? Skinned, de-horned, photo-ops?

I'm usually pretty rational, but this just doesn't sit well with my sense - granted, it's subjective, but still - of what's right.

Good call on the use of illegal poachers. I'm actually completely indifferent on it. I can see why some people are upset, and I can see the good in it. It brings up the question of killing one to save a hundred. But in the end we are talking about a single rhino that can be sacrificed for the greater good of its species. If it was just any random rhino that was still at a breeding age I'm sure I would have a different outlook on this subject. But this whole auction has A) raised a lot of money to help the animals, and raised national attention for these rhinos. In the end it could be called the greater good?

Either way, but thanks for actually expressing your viewpoint in a coherent way without bashing, name calling, or wishing people cancer.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mattsl1983 said:

hedonist said:

I wonder if the term "illegal poaching" is an oxymoron.

matts, as you can see, there's much passion related to this topic. My small self just can't wrap her head around the notion of "hunting" an animal for anything other than survivalism. I get that the fellow's bid is putting money to help other rhinos, but who is anyone to say this old animal deserves to have its life ended because of parameters set by us?

And speaking of wondering, how does this supposed hunt go down? He's an aged animal. Does the hunter just go up to him and shoot? Is a hunt manipulated somehow? What happens to the animal afterward? Skinned, de-horned, photo-ops?

I'm usually pretty rational, but this just doesn't sit well with my sense - granted, it's subjective, but still - of what's right.

Good call on the use of illegal poachers. I'm actually completely indifferent on it. I can see why some people are upset, and I can see the good in it. It brings up the question of killing one to save a hundred. But in the end we are talking about a single rhino that can be sacrificed for the greater good of its species. If it was just any random rhino that was still at a breeding age I'm sure I would have a different outlook on this subject. But this whole auction has A) raised a lot of money to help the animals, and raised national attention for these rhinos. In the end it could be called the greater good?

Either way, but thanks for actually expressing your viewpoint in a coherent way without bashing, name calling, or wishing people cancer.

If it's all about doing things for the greater good... then people shouldn't get upset with war, disease, murder, natural disasters, and any other 'population check' given the fact that there are too many human beings on the planet to sustain?

Most are concerned for the loss of animals such as the black rhino... yet here we are serving one up for the right price. In the name of conservation, the auction belies the cause.

And to your last statement... I do believe you made reference to one's grammar and from there... your conversation became uncivil. To boot... you mocked a legitimate point of mine without truly understanding what it was I said. Don't be too quick to anoint yourself as the dignified one here.

With that said... I know what it is like to be in the minority on this board. You are welcome to your opinion.

Idris

mattsl1983 said:

IThis hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

I'm pretty sure, by Chad not shooting and supporting the killing of an endangered species counts for quite a bit towards the 'conservation' of the (this) species.

Also this excuse they seem to be making about how this male is becoming aggressive. Really? So what, it's in their nature, so let it be. We don't need to get involved by killing the beast. "Life will find a way" (Jurassic Park Reference)

We've done enough to destroy them, lets just leave em alone.
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mattsl1983

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

Pardon me?

Outside of the fact that poorer people tend to poach and rich people who can afford expensive licenses 'hunt legally'... what is the difference between poaching and legal hunting? The bottom line is in either scenario a black rhino is killed for its horn.

You strive to foolishly rationalize it, while I don't see any difference... and neither does the rhino.

The fact that you eagerly overlook this man's 'need' to go kill a near extinct animal by exclaiming he's 'helping the cause' is ridiculous. As I said before, if he has that type of money and he's truly interested in conservation... then he would donate the money and go take photographs of the animal instead of killing it like poachers do.

Try again.

Foolishly try to rationalize it? Just because you look at it one way and refuse to look at it in another does not make my view on it foolish. I would say that you are being foolish. It's an animal. It's under consideration for removal anyways. It is not helping it's population to grow. If some hunter wants to pay 350,000 to hunt it, I honestly don't see the big deal, especially when the money is raised to help preserve the animals. In the end it's a good thing. I'm sorry I'm not overly sensitive about losing one rhino to help many others.


And to your other post,

There is a huge difference between one rhino and war and everything else you mentioned. Once you used the name Ariel Castro to try and make a parallel to the hunter that won the bid, I couldn't take anything else you said serious. Kind of like comparing the killing of one rhino to war and population control. It just makes you come across as being a sensationalist and steers the original debate off course; to me anyways. Let's not compare apples to oranges, let's just stick to rhinos. Either way I the one rhino is going to be hunted, and 350,000 grand is going towards protecting the species.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

mattsl1983 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

Pardon me?

Outside of the fact that poorer people tend to poach and rich people who can afford expensive licenses 'hunt legally'... what is the difference between poaching and legal hunting? The bottom line is in either scenario a black rhino is killed for its horn.

You strive to foolishly rationalize it, while I don't see any difference... and neither does the rhino.

The fact that you eagerly overlook this man's 'need' to go kill a near extinct animal by exclaiming he's 'helping the cause' is ridiculous. As I said before, if he has that type of money and he's truly interested in conservation... then he would donate the money and go take photographs of the animal instead of killing it like poachers do.

Try again.

Foolishly try to rationalize it? Just because you look at it one way and refuse to look at it in another does not make my view on it foolish. I would say that you are being foolish. It's an animal. It's under consideration for removal anyways. It is not helping it's population to grow. If some hunter wants to pay 350,000 to hunt it, I honestly don't see the big deal, especially when the money is raised to help preserve the animals. In the end it's a good thing. I'm sorry I'm not overly sensitive about losing one rhino to help many others.


And to your other post,

There is a huge difference between one rhino and war and everything else you mentioned. Once you used the name Ariel Castro to try and make a parallel to the hunter that won the bid, I couldn't take anything else you said serious. Kind of like comparing the killing of one rhino to war and population control. It just makes you come across as being a sensationalist and steers the original debate off course; to me anyways. Let's not compare apples to oranges, let's just stick to rhinos. Either way I the one rhino is going to be hunted, and 350,000 grand is going towards protecting the species.

Geezuz man. Again you try to come across like the distinguished agent of discussion. Stop reading your own comments and spend a few moments reading what others are writing.

You snidely asked, "Do you know this man?" Essentially insinuating that because I didn't, I had no right to judge him. To which I responded "I didn't know Castro either" but that doesn't stop me from judging either of them based on their actions. There was no parallel drawn between these two men. There was a parallel drawn to illustrate one can judge another man based on their actions. Read more closely next time.

You seeked to promote the idea of auctioning off the license to go kill a black rhino as positive given 'the greater good' and I used a parallel to illustrate how such logic can be flawed. Do you get to draw the line where someone can or cannot make their point?

Regardless... if you want to stick to the argument? I'll put things as succinctly as possible. Get your head around this (make sure you read carefully):

1. The black rhino is nearing extinction. It is being killed for its horn. The very group that sets out to preserve the animal is now selling the right to kill the animal. If this isn't a compromise of values then I don't know what is. How does one promote the notion of preservation then turn around and sell a ticket to kill the animal it serves to protect?

2. The person that buys the right to kill the animal is not interested in conservation. They are interested in the same item that poachers are. If this person was truly interested in conservation, their $350,000 would be offered without the need to go destroy an animal.

mattsl1983

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mattsl1983 said:

I don't personally know this person. I never knew Ariel Castro either. I can only judge them by their actions.

He travelled to another country to kill an animal for its horn. It's bad, evil, and wrong.

Wow, you just brought up Ariel Castro? In this discussion, over a person who has benefited the conservation of rhinos, in order to hunt one legally? I am sure you feel like you just made some sort of good point? And you ignore the actual issue of poaching... This hunter has single handedly done more for the rhinos in one day than you will probably ever do in your lifetime. And that is including all your posts about how bad of a person he is. Have a good one.

Pardon me?

Outside of the fact that poorer people tend to poach and rich people who can afford expensive licenses 'hunt legally'... what is the difference between poaching and legal hunting? The bottom line is in either scenario a black rhino is killed for its horn.

You strive to foolishly rationalize it, while I don't see any difference... and neither does the rhino.

The fact that you eagerly overlook this man's 'need' to go kill a near extinct animal by exclaiming he's 'helping the cause' is ridiculous. As I said before, if he has that type of money and he's truly interested in conservation... then he would donate the money and go take photographs of the animal instead of killing it like poachers do.

Try again.

Foolishly try to rationalize it? Just because you look at it one way and refuse to look at it in another does not make my view on it foolish. I would say that you are being foolish. It's an animal. It's under consideration for removal anyways. It is not helping it's population to grow. If some hunter wants to pay 350,000 to hunt it, I honestly don't see the big deal, especially when the money is raised to help preserve the animals. In the end it's a good thing. I'm sorry I'm not overly sensitive about losing one rhino to help many others.


And to your other post,

There is a huge difference between one rhino and war and everything else you mentioned. Once you used the name Ariel Castro to try and make a parallel to the hunter that won the bid, I couldn't take anything else you said serious. Kind of like comparing the killing of one rhino to war and population control. It just makes you come across as being a sensationalist and steers the original debate off course; to me anyways. Let's not compare apples to oranges, let's just stick to rhinos. Either way I the one rhino is going to be hunted, and 350,000 grand is going towards protecting the species.

Geezuz man. Again you try to come across like the distinguished agent of discussion. Stop reading your own comments and spend a few moments reading what others are writing.

You snidely asked, "Do you know this man?" Essentially insinuating that because I didn't, I had no right to judge him. To which I responded "I didn't know Castro either" but that doesn't stop me from judging either of them based on their actions. There was no parallel drawn between these two men. There was a parallel drawn to illustrate one can judge another man based on their actions. Read more closely next time.

You seeked to promote the idea of auctioning off the license to go kill a black rhino as positive given 'the greater good' and I used a parallel to illustrate how such logic can be flawed. Do you get to draw the line where someone can or cannot make their point?

Regardless... if you want to stick to the argument? I'll put things as succinctly as possible. Get your head around this (make sure you read carefully):

1. The black rhino is nearing extinction. It is being killed for its horn. The very group that sets out to preserve the animal is now selling the right to kill the animal. If this isn't a compromise of values then I don't know what is. How does one promote the notion of preservation then turn around and sell a ticket to kill the animal it serves to protect?

2. The person that buys the right to kill the animal is not interested in conservation. They are interested in the same item that poachers are. If this person was truly interested in conservation, their $350,000 would be offered without the need to go destroy an animal.

You referred to this person as evil. Everyone knows what Castro did. Big difference. A person that bids to hunt has not been caught with or proven guilty of kidnapping or anything remotely close. He's going to go shoot a rhino, hardly evil. I could use your logic and call you vile and evil, seeing as I don't know you.

I did bring up the idea of the greater good pertaining to this animal species. Because in the end, it is for the greater good for this rhino species. Not the human species, this rhino species.

I fully understand they are getting killed for their horn. I fully understand they are nearing extinction. The thing is that is due to poaching. If this hunter was one of the poachers responsible for their decline in population, I highly doubt he would have spent 350,000 to be able to hunt one. It seems that this hunter is getting the blame and the real reason is being ignored. I don't know how else to put it, but if they can raise that much money to help raise the population and protect them by allowing a hunter to hunt one then it doesn't bother me. Also what seems to get lost here is the fact that the one that is going to be hunted is old and no longer able to breed and help add to the population. Therefore aside from being able to look at it, and count it in the population, it is doing nothing to help further the rhinos population. If it dies of natural causes, or dies from being hunted, the future of the population isn't affected in any way. At least by it being hunted, the future of the spices is going to benefit due to the money that has been raised.

It doesn't matter if the hunter is interested in conservation or not, that's what the money is going for. And since they haven't released any information on the person that won, I hardly think it's right to judge or assume you know anything about the person or if they were interested in conservation. Most safari clubs are actually into and do a lot for conservation. I'm sure the Dallas Safari Club and it's members are no different.

I'm not trying to come across as anything, I'm just simply stating my points. Sorry if it bothers you. Either way, agree to disagree. I have enjoyed this. It has kept me entertained all day and given me something to do while out of town in a hotel for work.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

I don't wish to experiment with the quoting feature and misspeak by error.

Just a couple of things:

You said I could use your logic and call you vile and evil, seeing as I don't know you. How? What have I done? If you think speaking against a guy who travels to another country to shoot an endangered animal to take its horn home with him is evil... well... I guess? This wasn't your strongest effort today.

I completely understand the trade off you are in favour of: compromise values and gain compensation that can assist with other efforts. But this is tantamount to shaking hands with the Devil in my books.

I am glad Chadwick and I have afforded you some moments to fill the boredom hotel life can offer.

hedonist

You know, the fact that this animal is no longer able to breed doesn't mean he shouldn't be able to live out the rest of his life without human intervention. He's not sick; he's being what/who he is.

This greater good concept - in this case - seems incredibly selfish and god-like. Let the poor creature die of natural causes, then...when he's good and ready.

It's not about us.

And for what it's worth, I value what ThirtyBills and chadwick have brought to this discussion - both reflect my thoughts, as well as my disgust.

gimmesometruth27

the fact that this is an endangered species and that someone is allowed to basically buy the right to kill it speaks volumes about how fucked up this whole situation is. if this guy kills one of them, he should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, and i don't give a fuck how much money he spent to purchase that "right". at some point, some things are worth more than money, and to me an endangered animal is priceless.

Jason P

Unless the $350K is being used to hire a MERC that will assasinate poachers, it will preserve diddly-squat.

It will most likely be used to preserve several cases of Dom Pérignon and some cool smoking jackets.