CNN reports that a woman the president hailed as an Obamacare success story just realized she won't be able to afford Obamacare because it's too expensive:
"Jessica Sanford was cited by the president as an Obamacare success story at a health care event he had here at the White House in the Rose Garden on October 21," says a reporter for CNN from the White House. "That of course being just last month. The 48-year-old single mom from Washington state purchased what she considered to be affordable health care, life-changing event, she said, on the Washington state health exchange. She decided she was so excited about this news, she wanted to write an e-mail to the president to say that this had really changed her life and that she was thankful for the Afforable Care Act. The president included her e-mail in his remarks to people on hand for the event. Here's a bit of what the president had to say."
The CNN report quotes President Obama as saying, "I recently received a letter from a woman named Jessica Sanford in Washington state. And here's what she wrote, I am a single mom, no child support, self-employed. and I haven't had insurance for 15 years because it's too expensive. I was crying the other day when I signed up, so much stress lifted."
"But days, just really three days after she was mentioned by the president, Jessica Sanford started having problems, she was receiving letters from the Washington state health exchange," reports CNN. "The first letter telling her that tax credit was reduced, therefore, increasing the cost of her health care plan and the,n take a look at this, then she received a letter just last week telling her that her tax credit had been taken away all together. Show you another document here, showing what the tax credit worked out to be... zero dollars according to this document that was provided to us by Jessica Sanford. She describes all of this as a roller coaster ride. Now she says she can't afford insurance in Washington state because of the new developments."
Sanford tells CNN that she's embarrassed. "It was a huge disappointment, especially since i had, you know, my story had been shared by the president. I felt like, you know, i just felt really embarrassed that, you know, he quoted my story and then come to find that the Washington health plan finder, the website here in our state, had grossly miscalculated or they're having a problem figuring their tax credits. and so at least for right now, i don't -- i'm not going to be getting insurance," she says.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
careful man using news sources and cut and paste are no longer acceptable and besides it was Bush's falt
we all post news sources for discussion content and to BACK UP our opinions, but you're the only one that uses them in place of an opinion.
I've given my OPINION many times on obama Islam and so on but that isn't what the general population around here want to hear, I guess my rights to free speech don't aply here, would my opinion be accepted by you and others if it were the same as yours...come on man I have been called a bigot and a racist amung other thing's because of my opinion so you really should re-think your constant "no opinion" comments.
no....I'm not a violent person. and I ment you should hit him with your purse....you know the man purse or the marse.
Godfather.
Ohhhhhh, that's your attempt at humor? :roll: Seems like you're the ONLY one laughing......But then again, now that Areil is gone, you're an army of 1. :corn: But at least you keep trying. Bravo!!!
I've given my OPINION many times on obama Islam and so on but that isn't what the general population around here want to hear, I guess my rights to free speech don't aply here, would my opinion be accepted by you and others if it were the same as yours...come on man I have been called a bigot and a racist amung other thing's because of my opinion so you really should re-think your constant "no opinion" comments.
Godfather.
I am more than happy to discuss and disagree with people here with differing views. In fact that's mostly what I do. That's what most of us do. That's what a discussion is. It would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything; there would actually be no point in saying anything for the most part. The difference is you:
1) either post an uneducated and sometimes bigoted opinion
2) post an article from the internet without having your own opinion, and as you admitted in this very thread, barely read and/or understood what you posted.
How often do I disagree with Byrnzie? Quite often. How often do I disagree with Prince? Quite often. And polaris. Almost always. And many others. But I respect their posts (most of the time) because they are well thought-out and researched.
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St. Paul 2014
CNN reports that a woman the president hailed as an Obamacare success story just realized she won't be able to afford Obamacare because it's too expensive:
"Jessica Sanford was cited by the president as an Obamacare success story at a health care event he had here at the White House in the Rose Garden on October 21," says a reporter for CNN from the White House. "That of course being just last month. The 48-year-old single mom from Washington state purchased what she considered to be affordable health care, life-changing event, she said, on the Washington state health exchange. She decided she was so excited about this news, she wanted to write an e-mail to the president to say that this had really changed her life and that she was thankful for the Afforable Care Act. The president included her e-mail in his remarks to people on hand for the event. Here's a bit of what the president had to say."
The CNN report quotes President Obama as saying, "I recently received a letter from a woman named Jessica Sanford in Washington state. And here's what she wrote, I am a single mom, no child support, self-employed. and I haven't had insurance for 15 years because it's too expensive. I was crying the other day when I signed up, so much stress lifted."
"But days, just really three days after she was mentioned by the president, Jessica Sanford started having problems, she was receiving letters from the Washington state health exchange," reports CNN. "The first letter telling her that tax credit was reduced, therefore, increasing the cost of her health care plan and the,n take a look at this, then she received a letter just last week telling her that her tax credit had been taken away all together. Show you another document here, showing what the tax credit worked out to be... zero dollars according to this document that was provided to us by Jessica Sanford. She describes all of this as a roller coaster ride. Now she says she can't afford insurance in Washington state because of the new developments."
Sanford tells CNN that she's embarrassed. "It was a huge disappointment, especially since i had, you know, my story had been shared by the president. I felt like, you know, i just felt really embarrassed that, you know, he quoted my story and then come to find that the Washington health plan finder, the website here in our state, had grossly miscalculated or they're having a problem figuring their tax credits. and so at least for right now, i don't -- i'm not going to be getting insurance," she says.
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I think it is probably a good thing to back fill this report because I have a bad habit of trying to collect as much data as I can before making responding to something. Plus, I have this terrible affliction where i don't believe what one news source reports. Our media is more focused on 'breaking News', than they are on gathering the facts and reporting the full story to us.
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"Jessica Sanford, 48, discovered that she is no longer eligible for a large subsidy that would have lowered her monthly premium to $169 per month. Instead, Sanford would now be forced to pay nearly four times as much, $621, for coverage...
Sanford works as a court reporter and says she makes just under $50,000 a year. Her 14-year-old son requires a monthly prescription that is expensive because it must come from a compounded pharmacy. She said she thought the originally promised $452 monthly premium subsidy would help her close the financial gap."
(ref: http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-%E2%80% ... 39697.html )
Summary:
The Insurance Policy is still $621 a month. She was banking on the Government to cover $452 of that bill (about 73% of the $621 total cost), leaving her with a balance of $169 she'd be on the hook for.
My best guess... and i admit, it is purely an unfounded guess... is that her annual income of $50,000 is too high to qualify for the taxpayers to cover. If she was in the $15,000 a year range... that would be different becuase, come on, 15K is a base line Honda Civic, which is an uber-luxury item to someone earning that amount, right?
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I don't know... is an annual income of $50,000.00 a lot of money... or is it closer to the poverty level?
Is $50,000 a year too high to qualify for the taxpayers to cover 73% for her? I don't know.
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EDIT** I looked it up. The Median Income in the U.S. for 2012 was $51,000 (all households)
(ref. http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p60-245.pdf ) See Table 1 on page 6
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that fucking sucks if she's still on the hook for $700 after being "insured". $50,000 for a single mom of a teenager is ok. On the lower end of middle class is my guess, depending where she lives and what the taxes are like. But that $700 per month will take a MASSIVE chunk out of her paycheque.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I've given my OPINION many times on obama Islam and so on but that isn't what the general population around here want to hear, I guess my rights to free speech don't aply here, would my opinion be accepted by you and others if it were the same as yours...come on man I have been called a bigot and a racist amung other thing's because of my opinion so you really should re-think your constant "no opinion" comments.
Godfather.
I am more than happy to discuss and disagree with people here with differing views. In fact that's mostly what I do. That's what most of us do. That's what a discussion is. It would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything; there would actually be no point in saying anything for the most part. The difference is you:
1) either post an uneducated and sometimes bigoted opinion
2) post an article from the internet without having your own opinion, and as you admitted in this very thread, barely read and/or understood what you posted.
How often do I disagree with Byrnzie? Quite often. How often do I disagree with Prince? Quite often. And polaris. Almost always. And many others. But I respect their posts (most of the time) because they are well thought-out and researched.
"I am really good at killing people with drones."
- obama
Interesting quote I don't know the context, however if those people are terrorists do you have an issue with him killing those people?
Mind you I cant stand that drone program because with it many innocent people are also killed in those attacks in search of said terrorists.
Peace
Extra-judicial assassinations are illegal under international law. They are acts of terrorism. Not only that, but Innocent people are being deliberately targeted in these drone strikes. The U.S government has become a terrorist outfit.
If I was an American I would be proud of this president
I wouldn't. I'd be glad about some of the things he's done, or has tried to do in spite of continuous, and aggressive opposition from the other party. But I'd also be extremely fucking disgusted with a lot of other things he's done, such as the N.S.A mass surveillance program, his overseeing of drone strikes, including the assassination of two American citizens, and the fact that Guantanamo is still open. I'd also be disgusted about the fact that he continues to send $4 Billion of U.S tax payers money to Israel every year to help bankroll their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, whist vetoing any and every criticism of Israel at the U.N.
If I was an American I would be proud of this president
I wouldn't. I'd be glad about some of the things he's done, or has tried to do in spite of continuous, and aggressive opposition from the other party. But I'd also be extremely fucking disgusted with a lot of other things he's done, such as the N.S.A mass surveillance program, his overseeing of drone strikes, including the assassination of two American citizens, and the fact that Guantanamo is still open. I'd also be disgusted about the fact that he continues to send $4 Billion of U.S tax payers money to Israel every year to help bankroll their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, whist vetoing any and every criticism of Israel at the U.N.
holy smokes... never heard that shit
where can i read or watch video about this event? where & when was this?
If I was an American I would be proud of this president
I wouldn't. I'd be glad about some of the things he's done, or has tried to do in spite of continuous, and aggressive opposition from the other party. But I'd also be extremely fucking disgusted with a lot of other things he's done, such as the N.S.A mass surveillance program, his overseeing of drone strikes, including the assassination of two American citizens, and the fact that Guantanamo is still open. I'd also be disgusted about the fact that he continues to send $4 Billion of U.S tax payers money to Israel every year to help bankroll their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, whist vetoing any and every criticism of Israel at the U.N.
holy smokes... never heard that shit
where can i read or watch video about this event? where & when was this?
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
that last quote makes me want to vomit.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
If I was an American I would be proud of this president
I wouldn't. I'd be glad about some of the things he's done, or has tried to do in spite of continuous, and aggressive opposition from the other party. But I'd also be extremely fucking disgusted with a lot of other things he's done, such as the N.S.A mass surveillance program, his overseeing of drone strikes, including the assassination of two American citizens, and the fact that Guantanamo is still open. I'd also be disgusted about the fact that he continues to send $4 Billion of U.S tax payers money to Israel every year to help bankroll their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, whist vetoing any and every criticism of Israel at the U.N.
OK I take that back, I would be proud of what he tries to do with Obamacare. The points you bring up hear are just shocking and disgusting, in my opinion.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
that last quote makes me want to vomit.
Yes indeed, me too!
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
that last quote makes me want to vomit.
Shows you what these people of power really think of us "regular" people. That's fucken disgusting.
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
that last quote makes me want to vomit.
Shows you what these people of power really think of us "regular" people. That's fucken disgusting.
Also what this president has done and is doing as far as drone strikes and other covert operations is ALSO DONE UNDER ANY PRESIDENT. These are sad cases of how our government operates no matter who's in the White House and these are only the cases that we know of to date, it's ALL very sickening.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
"I am really good at killing people with drones."
- obama
Interesting quote I don't know the context, however if those people are terrorists do you have an issue with him killing those people?
Mind you I cant stand that drone program because with it many innocent people are also killed in those attacks in search of said terrorists.
Peace
Extra-judicial assassinations are illegal under international law. They are acts of terrorism. Not only that, but Innocent people are being deliberately targeted in these drone strikes. The U.S government has become a terrorist outfit.
I suggest you watch the documentary 'Dirty Wars'.
Thank you I'll check it out when I get the chance. I absolutely have no problem calling the US government a terrorist outfit...why because any innocent lives lost that is either covered up or just blown over should be called a terrorist group and that goes for the CAChief that organization.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
If you support drone strikes then you support terrorism and the murder of innocents.
:fp:
Godfather.
If you have something constructive to say, then say it, instead of posting silly fucking emoticons. How old are you? 45? 50? So quit acting like a fucking five year old.
In the meantime, you may like to read a couple of definitions of 'terrorism':
Terrorism is the systematic use of violence (terror) as a means of coercion for political purposes...
Since 1994, the United Nations General Assembly has repeatedly condemned terrorist acts using the following political description of terrorism:
"Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them."
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Extra-judicial assassinations are illegal under international law. They are therefore criminal acts. They are also used to deliberately target unarmed, innocent civilians, and on many occasions they've been used with no regard for the safety of innocent bystanders.
They are acts of terrorism.
An American-born radical cleric who now lives in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki is the public face of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), one of the most active al Qaeda affiliates.
Born in New Mexico, he preached at a mosque in Virginia before leaving the U.S. for the Middle East. The U.S. regards al-Awlaki as the biggest threat to its homeland security.
U.S. officials say al-Awlaki helped recruit Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab, the Nigerian man charged with trying to blow up a transatlantic flight as it landed in Detroit, Michigan, on December 25, 2009.
The militant cleric is also said to have exchanged e-mails with accused Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Hassan who killed a dozen fellow soldiers and a civilian in a rampage at the Texas base.
AQAP claimed responsibility for the attempt to ship explosives into the United States via cargo planes late last year.In 2011, al-Awlaki narrowly survived an American drone assault after he switched vehicles with fellow jihadis, a senior security official told CNN.
At a U.S. congressional hearing earlier this year, Michael Leiter, Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said: "I actually consider al Qaeda in the Arab peninsula with al-Awlaki as a leader within that organization as probably the most significant threat to the U.S."
Al-Awlaki encouraged others to "fight jihad", and explained how to give money to the mujahideen or their families after they've died. Al-Awlaki's sermon also encouraged others to conduct weapons training, and raise children "on the love of Jihad.”
On his blog he wrote: "I pray that Allah destroys America and all its allies." He wrote as well: "We will implement the rule of Allah on Earth by the tip of the sword, whether the masses like it or not." On July 14, he criticized armies of Muslim countries that assist the U.S. military, saying, "the blame should be placed on the soldier who is willing to follow orders ... who sells his religion for a few dollars."In a sermon on his blog on July 15, 2009, entitled "Fighting Against Government Armies in the Muslim World," al-Awlaki wrote, "Blessed are those who fight against American soldiers, and blessed are those shuhada (martyrs) who are killed by them."
His list of ways to support the jihad are listed here
Yemeni-American Jihadi Cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki in First Interview with Al-Qaeda Media Calls on Muslim U.S. Servicemen to Kill Fellow Soldiers and says: "My Message to the Muslims...is that we should Participate in this Jihad against America…”
"Nidal Hasan is a student of mine, and I am proud of this. I am proud that there are people like Nidal Hasan among my students. What he did was a heroic act, a wonderful operation. I ask Allah to make him steadfast, to protect him, and to free him. I support what he did, and I call upon anyone who calls himself a Muslim, and serves in the US army, to follow in the footsteps of Nidal Hasan.Good deeds erase bad ones. In addition, I call upon [all] Muslims to follow in his footsteps, and to wage Jihad by speech or by action. Nidal Hasan set a wonderful example, and I ask Allah to make it a beginning, and that many other Muslims will follow in his footsteps.
Interviewer: "After the air strikes in Abyan and Shabwa, the mujahid Umar Farouk tried to blow up a Delta airliner en route from Amsterdam to Detroit. This operation was in retaliation for the oppressive American air strikes in Yemen. What is your connection to Umar Farouk?"
Anwar Al-Awlaki: "This operation fulfilled some goals of the mujahideen. It is considered an operation of retaliation and deterrence against the Americans. This operation demonstrated the flaws in the US security agencies, both in their intelligence and in their [homeland] security. The Americans spent over $40 billion on their airport security, and then the mujahid Umar Farouk managed to penetrate these measures. In addition, the intelligence agencies claim that he was under surveillance, yet he managed to reach Detroit, in the heart of America. This operation achieved great successes, even without killing a single person.
"As for the brother Umar Farouk, he is likewise a student of mine, and this also is an honor. I support what he did."
Interviewer: "Do you support such operations, even though they target what the media calls 'innocent civilians'?"
Anwar Al-Awlaki: "Yes. With regard to the issue of 'civilians,' this term has become prevalent these days, but I prefer to use the terms employed by our jurisprudents. They classify people as either combatants or non-combatants. A combatant is someone who bears arms – even if this is a woman. Non-combatants are people who do not take part in the war. The American people in its entirety takes part in the war, because they elected this administration, and they finance this war. In the recent elections, and in the previous ones, the American people had other options, and could have elected people who did not want war. Nevertheless, these candidates got nothing but a handful of votes. We should examine this issue from the perspective of Islamic law, and this settles the issue – is it permitted or forbidden? If the heroic mujahid brother Umar Farouk could have targeted hundreds of soldiers, that would have been wonderful. But we are talking about the realities of war.
You make it sound like we had Seal Team 6 take out a family of 4 at Disney, these people were far from innocent, they were terrorists and as for the citizenship issue I agree with the Obama administration that:
“ it would be lawful to kill a United States citizen if “an informed, high-level official” of the government decided that the target was a ranking figure in Al Qaeda who posed “an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States” and if his capture was not feasible.”
It adopts an elastic definition of an “imminent” threat, saying it is not necessary for a specific attack to be in process when a target is found if the target is generally engaged in terrorist activities aimed at the United States.
If you support drone strikes then you support terrorism and the murder of innocents.
I’m certainly not an Obama supporter but I do support drone strikes because why risk the lives of American soldiers when we have the technology to take them out without the loss of our troops. These countries that support and harbor these terrorists have been warned of the consequences of their actions.
Hillary Clinton said on September 13, 2001: "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."
President George W. Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001 said, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
We’re fighting an enemy that operates out of multiple countries and this war against terror is unlike any war that has ever been fought. The "civilians" that are killed are people in these countries who’re either aiding or harboring members of Al-Qaeda which makes them far from innocent victims. As for the other "American Citizens" 2 of them were also members of Al Qaeda and his son we'll his dad had no problems killing or sending other peoples kids to kill innocent civilians so why should we care if his son got killed.
You seem to forget this enemy routinely targets civilians in their attacks, these people killed 52 of your fellow countrymen and injured over 700 in the London bombings. Having witnessed 9/11 up close whatever we have to do to prevent that from ever happening again over here in America is fine by me and if some terrorists kid gets killed in the process I won't shed any tears.
An American-born radical cleric who now lives in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki is the public face of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), one of the most active al Qaeda affiliates.
Born in New Mexico, he preached at a mosque in Virginia before leaving the U.S. for the Middle East. The U.S. regards al-Awlaki as the biggest threat to its homeland security.
U.S. officials say al-Awlaki helped recruit Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab, the Nigerian man charged with trying to blow up a transatlantic flight as it landed in Detroit, Michigan, on December 25, 2009.
The militant cleric is also said to have exchanged e-mails with accused Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Hassan who killed a dozen fellow soldiers and a civilian in a rampage at the Texas base.
AQAP claimed responsibility for the attempt to ship explosives into the United States via cargo planes late last year.In 2011, al-Awlaki narrowly survived an American drone assault after he switched vehicles with fellow jihadis, a senior security official told CNN.
At a U.S. congressional hearing earlier this year, Michael Leiter, Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said: "I actually consider al Qaeda in the Arab peninsula with al-Awlaki as a leader within that organization as probably the most significant threat to the U.S."
Al-Awlaki encouraged others to "fight jihad", and explained how to give money to the mujahideen or their families after they've died. Al-Awlaki's sermon also encouraged others to conduct weapons training, and raise children "on the love of Jihad.”
On his blog he wrote: "I pray that Allah destroys America and all its allies." He wrote as well: "We will implement the rule of Allah on Earth by the tip of the sword, whether the masses like it or not." On July 14, he criticized armies of Muslim countries that assist the U.S. military, saying, "the blame should be placed on the soldier who is willing to follow orders ... who sells his religion for a few dollars."In a sermon on his blog on July 15, 2009, entitled "Fighting Against Government Armies in the Muslim World," al-Awlaki wrote, "Blessed are those who fight against American soldiers, and blessed are those shuhada (martyrs) who are killed by them."
His list of ways to support the jihad are listed here
Yemeni-American Jihadi Cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki in First Interview with Al-Qaeda Media Calls on Muslim U.S. Servicemen to Kill Fellow Soldiers and says: "My Message to the Muslims...is that we should Participate in this Jihad against America…”
"Nidal Hasan is a student of mine, and I am proud of this. I am proud that there are people like Nidal Hasan among my students. What he did was a heroic act, a wonderful operation. I ask Allah to make him steadfast, to protect him, and to free him. I support what he did, and I call upon anyone who calls himself a Muslim, and serves in the US army, to follow in the footsteps of Nidal Hasan.Good deeds erase bad ones. In addition, I call upon [all] Muslims to follow in his footsteps, and to wage Jihad by speech or by action. Nidal Hasan set a wonderful example, and I ask Allah to make it a beginning, and that many other Muslims will follow in his footsteps.
Interviewer: "After the air strikes in Abyan and Shabwa, the mujahid Umar Farouk tried to blow up a Delta airliner en route from Amsterdam to Detroit. This operation was in retaliation for the oppressive American air strikes in Yemen. What is your connection to Umar Farouk?"
Anwar Al-Awlaki: "This operation fulfilled some goals of the mujahideen. It is considered an operation of retaliation and deterrence against the Americans. This operation demonstrated the flaws in the US security agencies, both in their intelligence and in their [homeland] security. The Americans spent over $40 billion on their airport security, and then the mujahid Umar Farouk managed to penetrate these measures. In addition, the intelligence agencies claim that he was under surveillance, yet he managed to reach Detroit, in the heart of America. This operation achieved great successes, even without killing a single person.
"As for the brother Umar Farouk, he is likewise a student of mine, and this also is an honor. I support what he did."
Interviewer: "Do you support such operations, even though they target what the media calls 'innocent civilians'?"
Anwar Al-Awlaki: "Yes. With regard to the issue of 'civilians,' this term has become prevalent these days, but I prefer to use the terms employed by our jurisprudents. They classify people as either combatants or non-combatants. A combatant is someone who bears arms – even if this is a woman. Non-combatants are people who do not take part in the war. The American people in its entirety takes part in the war, because they elected this administration, and they finance this war. In the recent elections, and in the previous ones, the American people had other options, and could have elected people who did not want war. Nevertheless, these candidates got nothing but a handful of votes. We should examine this issue from the perspective of Islamic law, and this settles the issue – is it permitted or forbidden? If the heroic mujahid brother Umar Farouk could have targeted hundreds of soldiers, that would have been wonderful. But we are talking about the realities of war.
You make it sound like we had Seal Team 6 take out a family of 4 at Disney, these people were far from innocent, they were terrorists and as for the citizenship issue I agree with the Obama administration that:
“ it would be lawful to kill a United States citizen if “an informed, high-level official” of the government decided that the target was a ranking figure in Al Qaeda who posed “an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States” and if his capture was not feasible.”
It adopts an elastic definition of an “imminent” threat, saying it is not necessary for a specific attack to be in process when a target is found if the target is generally engaged in terrorist activities aimed at the United States.
If you support drone strikes then you support terrorism and the murder of innocents.
I’m certainly not an Obama supporter but I do support drone strikes because why risk the lives of American soldiers when we have the technology to take them out without the loss of our troops. These countries that support and harbor these terrorists have been warned of the consequences of their actions.
Hillary Clinton said on September 13, 2001: "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."
President George W. Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001 said, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
We’re fighting an enemy that operates out of multiple countries and this war against terror is unlike any war that has ever been fought. The "civilians" that are killed are people in these countries who’re either aiding or harboring members of Al-Qaeda which makes them far from innocent victims. As for the other "American Citizens" 2 of them were also members of Al Qaeda and his son we'll his dad had no problems killing or sending other peoples kids to kill innocent civilians so why should we care if his son got killed.
You seem to forget this enemy routinely targets civilians in their attacks, these people killed 52 of your fellow countrymen and injured over 700 in the London bombings. Having witnessed 9/11 up close whatever we have to do to prevent that from ever happening again over here in America is fine by me and if some terrorists kid gets killed in the process I won't shed any tears.
As long as you believe everything you're told by the mainstream media, then I suppose it may seem perfectly acceptable for U.S citizens to be murdered at the whim of your President.
And what do you know of the reasons why this moderate cleric, who after 9/11 condemned all acts of terrorism on U.S citizens, became radicalized later on against the U.S? Nothing. You know nothing about him.
And as for his 16 year old son, with no ties to any sort of terrorism at all, being snuffed out by a drone; how do you excuse that?
I’m certainly not an Obama supporter but I do support drone strikes because why risk the lives of American soldiers when we have the technology to take them out without the loss of our troops. These countries that support and harbor these terrorists have been warned of the consequences of their actions.
Hillary Clinton said on September 13, 2001: "Every nation has to either be with us, or against us. Those who harbor terrorists, or who finance them, are going to pay a price."
President George W. Bush, in an address to a joint session of Congress on September 20, 2001 said, "Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists."
We’re fighting an enemy that operates out of multiple countries and this war against terror is unlike any war that has ever been fought. The "civilians" that are killed are people in these countries who’re either aiding or harboring members of Al-Qaeda which makes them far from innocent victims. As for the other "American Citizens" 2 of them were also members of Al Qaeda and his son we'll his dad had no problems killing or sending other peoples kids to kill innocent civilians so why should we care if his son got killed.
You seem to forget this enemy routinely targets civilians in their attacks, these people killed 52 of your fellow countrymen and injured over 700 in the London bombings. Having witnessed 9/11 up close whatever we have to do to prevent that from ever happening again over here in America is fine by me and if some terrorists kid gets killed in the process I won't shed any tears.
seriously. SERIOUSLY? you don't count citizens of a country where their GOVERNMENT harbours terrorists to have the right not to be killed by drones? are you fucking kidding me? you even put the word civilians in quotations, like the actions/inactions of their government somehow makes the entire country enemy combatants?
you do realize that makes every US citizen in your eyes collateral damage/enemay combatants too, right? because that's exactly how these extremists view YOU. it's baffling that you don't see that.
by your logic in the last paragraph tells me that you think that if your dad was a mass murderer, then by mere genetic association that means we should kill you. or at the very least give a legal pass to someone who killed you out of some twisted vengeance.
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"Jessica Sanford was cited by the president as an Obamacare success story at a health care event he had here at the White House in the Rose Garden on October 21," says a reporter for CNN from the White House. "That of course being just last month. The 48-year-old single mom from Washington state purchased what she considered to be affordable health care, life-changing event, she said, on the Washington state health exchange. She decided she was so excited about this news, she wanted to write an e-mail to the president to say that this had really changed her life and that she was thankful for the Afforable Care Act. The president included her e-mail in his remarks to people on hand for the event. Here's a bit of what the president had to say."
The CNN report quotes President Obama as saying, "I recently received a letter from a woman named Jessica Sanford in Washington state. And here's what she wrote, I am a single mom, no child support, self-employed. and I haven't had insurance for 15 years because it's too expensive. I was crying the other day when I signed up, so much stress lifted."
"But days, just really three days after she was mentioned by the president, Jessica Sanford started having problems, she was receiving letters from the Washington state health exchange," reports CNN. "The first letter telling her that tax credit was reduced, therefore, increasing the cost of her health care plan and the,n take a look at this, then she received a letter just last week telling her that her tax credit had been taken away all together. Show you another document here, showing what the tax credit worked out to be... zero dollars according to this document that was provided to us by Jessica Sanford. She describes all of this as a roller coaster ride. Now she says she can't afford insurance in Washington state because of the new developments."
Sanford tells CNN that she's embarrassed. "It was a huge disappointment, especially since i had, you know, my story had been shared by the president. I felt like, you know, i just felt really embarrassed that, you know, he quoted my story and then come to find that the Washington health plan finder, the website here in our state, had grossly miscalculated or they're having a problem figuring their tax credits. and so at least for right now, i don't -- i'm not going to be getting insurance," she says.
I've given my OPINION many times on obama Islam and so on but that isn't what the general population around here want to hear, I guess my rights to free speech don't aply here, would my opinion be accepted by you and others if it were the same as yours...come on man I have been called a bigot and a racist amung other thing's because of my opinion so you really should re-think your constant "no opinion" comments.
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Godfather.
I am more than happy to discuss and disagree with people here with differing views. In fact that's mostly what I do. That's what most of us do. That's what a discussion is. It would be pretty boring if we all agreed on everything; there would actually be no point in saying anything for the most part. The difference is you:
1) either post an uneducated and sometimes bigoted opinion
2) post an article from the internet without having your own opinion, and as you admitted in this very thread, barely read and/or understood what you posted.
How often do I disagree with Byrnzie? Quite often. How often do I disagree with Prince? Quite often. And polaris. Almost always.
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I think it is probably a good thing to back fill this report because I have a bad habit of trying to collect as much data as I can before making responding to something. Plus, I have this terrible affliction where i don't believe what one news source reports. Our media is more focused on 'breaking News', than they are on gathering the facts and reporting the full story to us.
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"Jessica Sanford, 48, discovered that she is no longer eligible for a large subsidy that would have lowered her monthly premium to $169 per month. Instead, Sanford would now be forced to pay nearly four times as much, $621, for coverage...
Sanford works as a court reporter and says she makes just under $50,000 a year. Her 14-year-old son requires a monthly prescription that is expensive because it must come from a compounded pharmacy. She said she thought the originally promised $452 monthly premium subsidy would help her close the financial gap."
(ref: http://news.yahoo.com/obamacare-%E2%80% ... 39697.html )
Summary:
The Insurance Policy is still $621 a month. She was banking on the Government to cover $452 of that bill (about 73% of the $621 total cost), leaving her with a balance of $169 she'd be on the hook for.
My best guess... and i admit, it is purely an unfounded guess... is that her annual income of $50,000 is too high to qualify for the taxpayers to cover. If she was in the $15,000 a year range... that would be different becuase, come on, 15K is a base line Honda Civic, which is an uber-luxury item to someone earning that amount, right?
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I don't know... is an annual income of $50,000.00 a lot of money... or is it closer to the poverty level?
Is $50,000 a year too high to qualify for the taxpayers to cover 73% for her? I don't know.
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EDIT** I looked it up. The Median Income in the U.S. for 2012 was $51,000 (all households)
(ref. http://www.census.gov/prod/2013pubs/p60-245.pdf ) See Table 1 on page 6
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Godfather.
Extra-judicial assassinations are illegal under international law. They are acts of terrorism. Not only that, but Innocent people are being deliberately targeted in these drone strikes. The U.S government has become a terrorist outfit.
I suggest you watch the documentary 'Dirty Wars'.
If you support drone strikes then you support terrorism and the murder of innocents.
I wouldn't. I'd be glad about some of the things he's done, or has tried to do in spite of continuous, and aggressive opposition from the other party. But I'd also be extremely fucking disgusted with a lot of other things he's done, such as the N.S.A mass surveillance program, his overseeing of drone strikes, including the assassination of two American citizens, and the fact that Guantanamo is still open. I'd also be disgusted about the fact that he continues to send $4 Billion of U.S tax payers money to Israel every year to help bankroll their ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians, whist vetoing any and every criticism of Israel at the U.N.
holy smokes... never heard that shit
where can i read or watch video about this event? where & when was this?
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https://www.aclu.org/national-security/ ... one-strike
Three U.S citizens.
I wouldn't be surprised if soon they'll be using drone strikes to kill U.S citizens within your own borders.
Anwar al-Awlaki's 16 year old son:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... e-strikes/
He was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It, too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake.
It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to terrorism.
Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."
that last quote makes me want to vomit.
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OK I take that back, I would be proud of what he tries to do with Obamacare. The points you bring up hear are just shocking and disgusting, in my opinion.
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Yes indeed, me too!
"The meeting of two personalities is like the contact of two chemical substances: if there is any reaction, both are transformed".- Carl Jung.
"Art does not reproduce what we see; rather, it makes us see."- Paul Klee
Shows you what these people of power really think of us "regular" people. That's fucken disgusting.
Also what this president has done and is doing as far as drone strikes and other covert operations is ALSO DONE UNDER ANY PRESIDENT. These are sad cases of how our government operates no matter who's in the White House and these are only the cases that we know of to date, it's ALL very sickening.
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Thank you I'll check it out when I get the chance. I absolutely have no problem calling the US government a terrorist outfit...why because any innocent lives lost that is either covered up or just blown over should be called a terrorist group and that goes for the CAChief that organization.
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Godfather.
If you have something constructive to say, then say it, instead of posting silly fucking emoticons. How old are you? 45? 50? So quit acting like a fucking five year old.
In the meantime, you may like to read a couple of definitions of 'terrorism':
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorism#Definition
Terrorism is the systematic use of violence (terror) as a means of coercion for political purposes...
Since 1994, the United Nations General Assembly has repeatedly condemned terrorist acts using the following political description of terrorism:
"Criminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstance unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or any other nature that may be invoked to justify them."
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Extra-judicial assassinations are illegal under international law. They are therefore criminal acts. They are also used to deliberately target unarmed, innocent civilians, and on many occasions they've been used with no regard for the safety of innocent bystanders.
They are acts of terrorism.
Is that right? And what does that have to do with what we're talking about here?
Anwar al-Awlaki
Who is he?
An American-born radical cleric who now lives in Yemen, Anwar al-Awlaki is the public face of al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP), one of the most active al Qaeda affiliates.
Born in New Mexico, he preached at a mosque in Virginia before leaving the U.S. for the Middle East. The U.S. regards al-Awlaki as the biggest threat to its homeland security.
U.S. officials say al-Awlaki helped recruit Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab, the Nigerian man charged with trying to blow up a transatlantic flight as it landed in Detroit, Michigan, on December 25, 2009.
The militant cleric is also said to have exchanged e-mails with accused Fort Hood shooter Maj. Nidal Hassan who killed a dozen fellow soldiers and a civilian in a rampage at the Texas base.
AQAP claimed responsibility for the attempt to ship explosives into the United States via cargo planes late last year.In 2011, al-Awlaki narrowly survived an American drone assault after he switched vehicles with fellow jihadis, a senior security official told CNN.
At a U.S. congressional hearing earlier this year, Michael Leiter, Director of the National Counterterrorism Center, said: "I actually consider al Qaeda in the Arab peninsula with al-Awlaki as a leader within that organization as probably the most significant threat to the U.S."
http://security.blogs.cnn.com/2011/06/1 ... al-awlaki/
"44 Ways to Support Jihad" by Anwar al-Awlaki
Al-Awlaki encouraged others to "fight jihad", and explained how to give money to the mujahideen or their families after they've died. Al-Awlaki's sermon also encouraged others to conduct weapons training, and raise children "on the love of Jihad.”
On his blog he wrote: "I pray that Allah destroys America and all its allies." He wrote as well: "We will implement the rule of Allah on Earth by the tip of the sword, whether the masses like it or not." On July 14, he criticized armies of Muslim countries that assist the U.S. military, saying, "the blame should be placed on the soldier who is willing to follow orders ... who sells his religion for a few dollars."In a sermon on his blog on July 15, 2009, entitled "Fighting Against Government Armies in the Muslim World," al-Awlaki wrote, "Blessed are those who fight against American soldiers, and blessed are those shuhada (martyrs) who are killed by them."
His list of ways to support the jihad are listed here
http://www.kavkazcenter.com/eng/content ... 0561.shtml
Yemeni-American Jihadi Cleric Anwar Al-Awlaki in First Interview with Al-Qaeda Media Calls on Muslim U.S. Servicemen to Kill Fellow Soldiers and says: "My Message to the Muslims...is that we should Participate in this Jihad against America…”
"Nidal Hasan is a student of mine, and I am proud of this. I am proud that there are people like Nidal Hasan among my students. What he did was a heroic act, a wonderful operation. I ask Allah to make him steadfast, to protect him, and to free him. I support what he did, and I call upon anyone who calls himself a Muslim, and serves in the US army, to follow in the footsteps of Nidal Hasan.Good deeds erase bad ones. In addition, I call upon [all] Muslims to follow in his footsteps, and to wage Jihad by speech or by action. Nidal Hasan set a wonderful example, and I ask Allah to make it a beginning, and that many other Muslims will follow in his footsteps.
Interviewer: "After the air strikes in Abyan and Shabwa, the mujahid Umar Farouk tried to blow up a Delta airliner en route from Amsterdam to Detroit. This operation was in retaliation for the oppressive American air strikes in Yemen. What is your connection to Umar Farouk?"
Anwar Al-Awlaki: "This operation fulfilled some goals of the mujahideen. It is considered an operation of retaliation and deterrence against the Americans. This operation demonstrated the flaws in the US security agencies, both in their intelligence and in their [homeland] security. The Americans spent over $40 billion on their airport security, and then the mujahid Umar Farouk managed to penetrate these measures. In addition, the intelligence agencies claim that he was under surveillance, yet he managed to reach Detroit, in the heart of America. This operation achieved great successes, even without killing a single person.
"As for the brother Umar Farouk, he is likewise a student of mine, and this also is an honor. I support what he did."
Interviewer: "Do you support such operations, even though they target what the media calls 'innocent civilians'?"
Anwar Al-Awlaki: "Yes. With regard to the issue of 'civilians,' this term has become prevalent these days, but I prefer to use the terms employed by our jurisprudents. They classify people as either combatants or non-combatants. A combatant is someone who bears arms – even if this is a woman. Non-combatants are people who do not take part in the war. The American people in its entirety takes part in the war, because they elected this administration, and they finance this war. In the recent elections, and in the previous ones, the American people had other options, and could have elected people who did not want war. Nevertheless, these candidates got nothing but a handful of votes. We should examine this issue from the perspective of Islamic law, and this settles the issue – is it permitted or forbidden? If the heroic mujahid brother Umar Farouk could have targeted hundreds of soldiers, that would have been wonderful. But we are talking about the realities of war.
http://www.memri.org/report/en/0/0/0/0/0/0/4202.htm
You make it sound like we had Seal Team 6 take out a family of 4 at Disney, these people were far from innocent, they were terrorists and as for the citizenship issue I agree with the Obama administration that:
I’m certainly not an Obama supporter but I do support drone strikes because why risk the lives of American soldiers when we have the technology to take them out without the loss of our troops. These countries that support and harbor these terrorists have been warned of the consequences of their actions.
We’re fighting an enemy that operates out of multiple countries and this war against terror is unlike any war that has ever been fought. The "civilians" that are killed are people in these countries who’re either aiding or harboring members of Al-Qaeda which makes them far from innocent victims. As for the other "American Citizens" 2 of them were also members of Al Qaeda and his son we'll his dad had no problems killing or sending other peoples kids to kill innocent civilians so why should we care if his son got killed.
You seem to forget this enemy routinely targets civilians in their attacks, these people killed 52 of your fellow countrymen and injured over 700 in the London bombings. Having witnessed 9/11 up close whatever we have to do to prevent that from ever happening again over here in America is fine by me and if some terrorists kid gets killed in the process I won't shed any tears.
As long as you believe everything you're told by the mainstream media, then I suppose it may seem perfectly acceptable for U.S citizens to be murdered at the whim of your President.
And what do you know of the reasons why this moderate cleric, who after 9/11 condemned all acts of terrorism on U.S citizens, became radicalized later on against the U.S? Nothing. You know nothing about him.
And as for his 16 year old son, with no ties to any sort of terrorism at all, being snuffed out by a drone; how do you excuse that?
seriously. SERIOUSLY? you don't count citizens of a country where their GOVERNMENT harbours terrorists to have the right not to be killed by drones? are you fucking kidding me? you even put the word civilians in quotations, like the actions/inactions of their government somehow makes the entire country enemy combatants?
you do realize that makes every US citizen in your eyes collateral damage/enemay combatants too, right? because that's exactly how these extremists view YOU. it's baffling that you don't see that.
by your logic in the last paragraph tells me that you think that if your dad was a mass murderer, then by mere genetic association that means we should kill you. or at the very least give a legal pass to someone who killed you out of some twisted vengeance.
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