I came acrossed this when I was researching why people can not see that Obama is a Liar. I guess those that have disorders similar to his are the ones that can not see it?
A Shrink Asks: What's Wrong with Obama?
By Robin of Berkeley
So what is the matter with Obama? Conservatives have been asking this question for some time. I've written a number of articles trying to solve the mystery. Even some liberals are starting to wonder. James Carville railed about Obama's blasé attitude after the catastrophic oil spill. The New York Times' Maureen Dowd revamped Obama's "Yes We Can" motto into "Will We Ever?" The liberal women of the TV show "The View" have expressed sympathy for Michelle Obama's living with a man so out of touch. Peggy Noonan, hardly a vehement Obama foe, recently pronounced him disconnected.
Obama's odd mannerisms intrigue a psychotherapist like me. He also presents a serious diagnostic challenge. For one, Obama's teleprompter and the men behind the Blackberry keep him well-scripted. We know so little about the facts of his life. But it's more than just a lack of information. Obama himself is a strange bird. He doesn't fit easily into any diagnostic category.
Many people attribute Obama's oddness to his narcissism. True, Obama has a gargantuan ego, and he is notoriously thin-skinned. Yet a personality disorder like narcissism does not explain Obama's strangeness: his giggling while being asked about the economy; his continuing a shout-out rather than announcing the Ft. Hood shootings; or his vacations, golfing, partying and fundraising during the calamitous oil spill.
Take also Obama's declaring on the "Today Show" that he wants to know whose ass to kick. Consummate narcissists would never stoop to this vulgar display of adolescent machismo. Obama is flat when passion is needed; he's aggressive when savvy is required. What's most worrisome is that Obama doesn't even realize that his behavior is inappropriate. So if it's not just simple narcissism, what is wrong with Obama? Since I've never evaluated him, I can't say for sure. But I can hazard some educated guesses.
If I saw a client as disconnected as he, the first thing I would wonder: Is something wrong with his brain? And I'd consider the following theoretical diagnostic possibilities.
–Physical problems: There are a multitude of physiological conditions that can cause people to act strangely. For instance: head injuries, endocrine disturbances, epilepsy, and toxic chemical exposure. It makes me wonder: Did Obama ever have a head injury? His stepfather in Indonesia was purportedly an alcoholic abuser. Was Obama subject to any physical abuse?
– Drugs and alcohol: Damage to the brain from drugs and alcohol can also cause significant cognitive impairments. Obama once said that there were 57 states — and didn't correct himself. Memory problems can be caused by both illicit and prescription drug use. Obama admits to a history of drug use in his youth. Did his usage cause some damage? Does Obama still use?
–Asperger's Syndrome: Also known as high-functioning autism, Asperger's causes deficits in social skills. A person with Asperger's can't read social cues. Consequently, he can be insensitive and hurtful without even knowing it. Could Obama have Asperger's? He might have some mild traits, but certainly not the full-blown disorder. In contrast to Obama, those with Asperger's get fixated on some behavior, like programming computers. Obama lacks this kind of passion and zeal.
–Mental Illness: Obama's family tree is replete with the unbalanced. His maternal great-grandmother committed suicide. His grandfather, Stanley Dunham, was particularly unhinged: He was expelled from high school for punching his principal; named his daughter Stanley because he wanted a boy; and exposed young Barry to not just drunken trash talk, but unrestricted visits with alleged pedophile Frank Marshall Davis (who might or might not be Obama's biological father). Barack Sr. was an abusive, alcoholic bigamist.
Since mental illness runs in the family, does Obama have any signs? Yes and no. No, he is not a schizophrenic babbling about Martians. But there are red flags for some other conditions. While Obama doesn't appear to hallucinate, he seems to have delusions. His believing he has a Messiah-like special gift smacks of grandiose delusions. His externalizing all blame to conservatives, George W. Bush, or the "racist" bogeyman hints at persecutory delusions.
Along with a delusional disorder, Obama may fit for a mild psychotic disorder called schizotypal disorder. It may explain some of Obama's oddness. People with schizotypal disorder hold bizarre beliefs, are suspicious and paranoid, and have inappropriate and constricted affect. They have few close friends and are socially awkward. A schizotypal is someone like your strange cousin Becky who is addicted to astrology, believes she is psychic, and is the oddball at social gatherings. Schizotypal Disorder does ring some bells vis-à-vis Obama. One way the diagnosis doesn't fit, however, is that schizotypals are generally harmless, odd ducks. Not so with Obama.
–Trauma: My gut tells me that Obama was seriously traumatized in childhood. His mother disregarded his basic needs, dragged him all over the place, and ultimately abandoned him. But I think there may be something even more insidious in his family background. While I can't prove it, the degree of Obama's disconnect reminds me of my sexually abused clients. With serious sexual abuse, the brain chemistry may change. The child dissociates — that is, disconnects from his being — in order to cope. Many adult survivors still dissociate, from occasional trances to the most extreme cases of multiple personality disorder.
Apparently, young Barry was left in the care of Communist Frank Marshall Davis, who admitted to molesting a 13-year-old girl. As a teenager, Obama wrote a disturbing poem, "Pop," that evoked images of sexual abuse — for instance, describing dual amber stains on both his and "Pop's" shorts.
Would trauma explain Obama's disconnect? In many ways, yes. A damaged and unattached child may develop a "false self." To compensate for the enormous deficits in identity and attachment, the child invents his own personality. For Obama, it may have been as a special, gifted person.
Let's return now to my original question: What is wrong with Obama? My guess is a great deal. The answer is complex and likely includes some combination of the above. Along with the brain issues are personality disorders: narcissism, paranoia, passive-aggressiveness. There's even the possibility of the most destructive character defect of all, an antisocial personality. Untreated abuse can foster antisocial traits, especially among boys.
If my assessment is accurate, what does this mean? It means that liberals need to wake up and spit out the Kool-Aid…and that conservatives should put aside differences, band together, and elect as many Republicans as possible. Because Obama will not change. He will not learn from his mistakes. He will not grow and mature from on-the-job experience. In fact, over time, Obama will likely become a more ferocious version of who he is today. Why? Because this is a damaged person. Obama's fate was sealed years ago growing up in his strange and poisonous family. Later on, his empty vessel was filled with the hateful bile of men like Rev. Wright and Bill Ayers.
Obama will not evolve; he will not rise to the occasion; he will not become the man he was meant to be. This is for one reason and one reason alone: He is not capable of it.
This article is not intended to offer any definitive diagnoses, but for educational purposes only.
A frequent AT contributor, Robin is a psychotherapist in Berkeley and a recovering liberal. You can e-mail Robin at <!-- e --><a href="mailto:robinofberkeley@hotmail.com">robinofberkeley@hotmail.com</a><!-- e -->. She regrets that she may not be able to acknowledge your e-mail.
WOW!!!! Where the f—k do you find the sh-t you post??????
First and foremost, ALL Politicians lie to benefit their agendas. I guess, however, it takes a bias psychotherapist trying to make a few bucks by creating her own version of a tell-all, to fill the empty void of the brainless and gullible birthers to keep it going.
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SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
yes all politions are liars but this is obama's turn in the barrel and sugar coating his lack of good judgment and comparing him with past presidents only makes him look even worse because he was going to change all the past mistakes and lies...but they all say that right ?
Godfather.
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Actualy, sir.. I wanted you to pick out the lie or lies that makes this President the worst President... even worse than Harding.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Of course he did. If those street where built with tax money..
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You know... you just made Obama's point.
The business owners did not build the highway and streets that lead customers to their shops. Other Americans contributed into it. The shop owner did not build the system that brought water and light... natural gas and drainage pipes... a collective society built it. Society provides the basics needed to build business. Without those systems that deliver customers... be it highways of communication lines... business would not be able to do what they do best because they would be busy building a power plant to deliver electricity to their store.
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This was exactly the response I had expected. Perplexed.
This is because you believe that the business owner... let's say the business owner that you work for... built the systems that deliver water, electricity and natural gas to your building. He also built the street that the cars drive up to your door and the highway system that delivers them to your street.
You do not believe that it takes a multitude of tax payers living in a structured society to collectively accomplish these results... just your one boss did that. That's it... right?
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
yes all politions are liars but this is obama's turn in the barrel and sugar coating his lack of good judgment and comparing him with past presidents only makes him look even worse because he was going to change all the past mistakes and lies...but they all say that right ?
Godfather.
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Actualy, sir.. I wanted you to pick out the lie or lies that makes this President the worst President... even worse than Harding.
just one ? it's more than lies that make a bad president his actions are in question also.
yes all politions are liars but this is obama's turn in the barrel and sugar coating his lack of good judgment and comparing him with past presidents only makes him look even worse because he was going to change all the past mistakes and lies...but they all say that right ?
Godfather.
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Actualy, sir.. I wanted you to pick out the lie or lies that makes this President the worst President... even worse than Harding.
Harding was the compromise candidate in the 1920 election, when he promised the nation a return to "normalcy", in the form of a strong economy, independent of foreign influence. This program was designed to rid Americans of the tragic memories and hardships faced during World War I. Harding and the Republican Party had desired to move away from progressivism that dominated the early 20th century. He defeated Democrat and fellow Ohioan James M. Cox in the largest presidential popular vote landslide (60.32% to 34.15%) since popular vote totals were first recorded.[3]
Harding not only put the "best minds" on his cabinet including Herbert Hoover as Secretary of Commerce and Charles Evans Hughes as Secretary of State, but also rewarded his friends and contributors, known as the Ohio Gang, with powerful positions. Cases of corruption, including the notorious Teapot Dome scandal, arose resulting in prison terms for his appointees.[4] He was a keen poker player, who once gambled away on a single hand an entire set of White House china dating back to Benjamin Harrison.[5] Harding did manage to clean up corruption in the Veterans Bureau.[6]
Domestically, Harding signed the first federal child welfare program, dealt with striking mining and railroad workers, including supporting an 8-hour work day, and attended an unemployment rate drop by half.[7] He also set up the Bureau of the Budget to prepare the United States federal budget. Harding advocated an anti-lynching bill to curb violence against African Americans; it failed to pass. In foreign affairs, Harding spurned the League of Nations, and (Congress having rejected the Treaty of Versailles) signed a World War I peace treaty with Germany and Austria separate from the other Allies. Harding promoted a successful world naval program.
In August 1923, Harding suddenly collapsed and died. His administration's many scandals have historically earned Harding a low ranking as president,[8] but there has been growing recognition of his fiscal responsibility and endorsement of African-American civil rights.[9] Harding has been viewed as a more modern politician who embraced technology and who was sensitive to the plights of minorities, women, and labor.[10]
yes all politions are liars but this is obama's turn in the barrel and sugar coating his lack of good judgment and comparing him with past presidents only makes him look even worse because he was going to change all the past mistakes and lies...but they all say that right ?
Godfather.
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Actualy, sir.. I wanted you to pick out the lie or lies that makes this President the worst President... even worse than Harding.
just one ? it's more than lies that make a bad president his actions are in question also.
Godfather.
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Come on... pick one. there are a ton of them for you to choose from. In your opinion, Which lie is so horrible... and how or why is it so horrible?
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Here, I'll give you an example.
President Says, 'You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie'... when in fact, Secretary Brown gutted FEMA by hiring his friends to run the show, that lead to a massive exodus of competent FEMA workers who could not deal with the incompetency of FEMA Executive Management which allows dead bodies to lay in the streets of a major American city for days after a horrific natural disaster.
In my books... that is a pretty horrible lie.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Harding was the compromise candidate in the 1920 election, when he promised the nation a return to "normalcy", in the form of a strong economy, independent of foreign influence. This program was designed to rid Americans of the tragic memories and hardships faced during World War I. Harding and the Republican Party had desired to move away from progressivism that dominated the early 20th century. He defeated Democrat and fellow Ohioan James M. Cox in the largest presidential popular vote landslide (60.32% to 34.15%) since popular vote totals were first recorded.[3]
Harding not only put the "best minds" on his cabinet including Herbert Hoover as Secretary of Commerce and Charles Evans Hughes as Secretary of State, but also rewarded his friends and contributors, known as the Ohio Gang, with powerful positions. Cases of corruption, including the notorious Teapot Dome scandal, arose resulting in prison terms for his appointees.[4] He was a keen poker player, who once gambled away on a single hand an entire set of White House china dating back to Benjamin Harrison.[5] Harding did manage to clean up corruption in the Veterans Bureau.[6]
Domestically, Harding signed the first federal child welfare program, dealt with striking mining and railroad workers, including supporting an 8-hour work day, and attended an unemployment rate drop by half.[7] He also set up the Bureau of the Budget to prepare the United States federal budget. Harding advocated an anti-lynching bill to curb violence against African Americans; it failed to pass. In foreign affairs, Harding spurned the League of Nations, and (Congress having rejected the Treaty of Versailles) signed a World War I peace treaty with Germany and Austria separate from the other Allies. Harding promoted a successful world naval program.
In August 1923, Harding suddenly collapsed and died. His administration's many scandals have historically earned Harding a low ranking as president,[8] but there has been growing recognition of his fiscal responsibility and endorsement of African-American civil rights.[9] Harding has been viewed as a more modern politician who embraced technology and who was sensitive to the plights of minorities, women, and labor.[10]
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Please, explain to me.. in your own words... what all of this stuff (which you have obviously Googled, cut and pasted) means.
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Note: I even take, "I have no fucking clue what any of this means because I just Googled 'Harding' and cut and pasted it from Wikipedia" as an acceptable answer.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Harding was the compromise candidate in the 1920 election, when he promised the nation a return to "normalcy", in the form of a strong economy, independent of foreign influence. This program was designed to rid Americans of the tragic memories and hardships faced during World War I. Harding and the Republican Party had desired to move away from progressivism that dominated the early 20th century. He defeated Democrat and fellow Ohioan James M. Cox in the largest presidential popular vote landslide (60.32% to 34.15%) since popular vote totals were first recorded.[3]
Harding not only put the "best minds" on his cabinet including Herbert Hoover as Secretary of Commerce and Charles Evans Hughes as Secretary of State, but also rewarded his friends and contributors, known as the Ohio Gang, with powerful positions. Cases of corruption, including the notorious Teapot Dome scandal, arose resulting in prison terms for his appointees.[4] He was a keen poker player, who once gambled away on a single hand an entire set of White House china dating back to Benjamin Harrison.[5] Harding did manage to clean up corruption in the Veterans Bureau.[6]
Domestically, Harding signed the first federal child welfare program, dealt with striking mining and railroad workers, including supporting an 8-hour work day, and attended an unemployment rate drop by half.[7] He also set up the Bureau of the Budget to prepare the United States federal budget. Harding advocated an anti-lynching bill to curb violence against African Americans; it failed to pass. In foreign affairs, Harding spurned the League of Nations, and (Congress having rejected the Treaty of Versailles) signed a World War I peace treaty with Germany and Austria separate from the other Allies. Harding promoted a successful world naval program.
In August 1923, Harding suddenly collapsed and died. His administration's many scandals have historically earned Harding a low ranking as president,[8] but there has been growing recognition of his fiscal responsibility and endorsement of African-American civil rights.[9] Harding has been viewed as a more modern politician who embraced technology and who was sensitive to the plights of minorities, women, and labor.[10]
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Please, explain to me.. in your own words... what all of this stuff (which you have obviously Googled, cut and pasted) means.
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Note: I even take, "I have no fucking clue what any of this means because I just Googled 'Harding' and cut and pasted it from Wikipedia" as an acceptable answer.
I have no f***cking clue...I just hit wiki and skimmmed thru it and went to lunch, I just wanted throw it up there.
but if I have to pick one obama lie from the many I'll put this one up there, people can keep their won insc. for up to a year....what a dickhead , what on earth is he trying to do besides keep fu**king Americans harder every time he opens his mouth..the guy is a total asshat.
Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:
President Obama Announces Americans Can Keep Health Insurance Plans for Up to a Year [12:10 P.M.]
I have no f***cking clue...I just hit wiki and skimmmed thru it and went to lunch, I just wanted throw it up there.
but if I have to pick one obama lie from the many I'll put this one up there, people can keep their won insc. for up to a year....what a dickhead , what on earth is he trying to do besides keep fu**king Americans harder every time he opens his mouth..the guy is a total asshat.
Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:
President Obama Announces Americans Can Keep Health Insurance Plans for Up to a Year [12:10 P.M.]
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Thank you.
So, the lie you say is the worst of all of the lies from that list is, 'people can keep their won insc. for up to a year'.
Okay... hmmmmmm... sorry, but I have to ask...
How is this a lie? I mean, the one year he is talking about ends in 365 days or so. We have not reached November 14th, 2014 yet... have we? How can it be a lie... if we do not know whether it is true or not?
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Anyway, I think a far worse lie told to us was that Iraq had nuclear weapons and were going to hit us where the Smoking Gun would be in the form of a mushroom cloud that lead us to invade Iraq which killed 4500 U.S. soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives and has buried us deep into debt that we are passing on to future generations to pay for as well as losing our standing as a military super power when we saw our troops being held up by politically induced rules of engagement that lowered their abilities from fighting soldiers to occupational police and nation builders while losing all of the worldwide sympathy we got after the attacks of September 11, 2001 and elevating Iran as a greater player in the region that it had been.
I believe that is a worse lie than telling insurance companies that they can still insure Americans holding policies that do not adhere to the new law for an additional 365 days. Somehow... and this is just me... the deaths and injuries to our military peopl is more important than having to switch health care providers.
I guess, that's what makes us different.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
I have no f***cking clue...I just hit wiki and skimmmed thru it and went to lunch, I just wanted throw it up there.
but if I have to pick one obama lie from the many I'll put this one up there, people can keep their won insc. for up to a year....what a dickhead , what on earth is he trying to do besides keep fu**king Americans harder every time he opens his mouth..the guy is a total asshat.
Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:
President Obama Announces Americans Can Keep Health Insurance Plans for Up to a Year [12:10 P.M.]
I understand being upset at the way this healthcare initiative has been rolled out in general and at that statement Obama made in particular. That said, isn't the "lie" you are pointing to here just him trying to correct that mistake? This doesn't seem like a very big one. Was he lying when he said everyone could keep their healthcare plan or was he mistaken? I don't know, but I do know that this change to the law you are linking to is him trying correct what was stated incorrectly in the past.
How is this a lie? in the beginning he said "you can keep your current health care plan" and now it's for 1 year ?
Godfather.
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But, the truth is... you can keep your coverage, that does not apply to certain parts of the law... for a year.
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Insurance companies were kicking people out because their policies violated the law. These companies did not offer people alternative policies that adhered to the law... nor did they adjust the existing policies to comply with the law.
And NOT ALL Insurance companies did this. Many companies adjusted the policies to meet the requirements and kept their policy holders.
It is a few companies that are kicking people out and using the law as justification to do so.
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If you want to be mad about something... be mad at the Insurance companies that are looking for a reason to dump policy holders.
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Also... I still do not believe that lie is worse than the one that lead to the deaths of 4,485 U.S. Soldiers. That must be one hell of an insurance policy you have, because to me... a dead soldier is far worse than losing my insurance coverage.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
How is this a lie? in the beginning he said "you can keep your current health care plan" and now it's for 1 year ?
Godfather.
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But, the truth is... you can keep your coverage, that does not apply to certain parts of the law... for a year.
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Insurance companies were kicking people out because their policies violated the law. These companies did not offer people alternative policies that adhered to the law... nor did they adjust the existing policies to comply with the law.
And NOT ALL Insurance companies did this. Many companies adjusted the policies to meet the requirements and kept their policy holders.
It is a few companies that are kicking people out and using the law as justification to do so.
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If you want to be mad about something... be mad at the Insurance companies that are looking for a reason to dump policy holders.
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Also... I still do not believe that lie is worse than the one that lead to the deaths of 4,485 U.S. Soldiers. That must be one hell of an insurance policy you have, because to me... a dead soldier is far worse than losing my insurance coverage.
dead soldiers can not be grought back, this law can be changed and why is so important for you to compare obama to past issues ? this today right now and it can be stoped or changed for the better, learn from the past don't use it as an excuse to justify obama's bullshit.
How is this a lie? in the beginning he said "you can keep your current health care plan" and now it's for 1 year ?
Godfather.
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But, the truth is... you can keep your coverage, that does not apply to certain parts of the law... for a year.
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Insurance companies were kicking people out because their policies violated the law. These companies did not offer people alternative policies that adhered to the law... nor did they adjust the existing policies to comply with the law.
And NOT ALL Insurance companies did this. Many companies adjusted the policies to meet the requirements and kept their policy holders.
It is a few companies that are kicking people out and using the law as justification to do so.
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If you want to be mad about something... be mad at the Insurance companies that are looking for a reason to dump policy holders.
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Also... I still do not believe that lie is worse than the one that lead to the deaths of 4,485 U.S. Soldiers. That must be one hell of an insurance policy you have, because to me... a dead soldier is far worse than losing my insurance coverage.
Not to mention almost 1 million Iraqi citizens and countless casualties of many were innocent men, women and children. They were human souls too and just as important as any American citizen. This is one planet and ALL of us here are vital to it's continued existence none any more important than any other.
peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
How is this a lie? in the beginning he said "you can keep your current health care plan" and now it's for 1 year ?
Godfather.
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But, the truth is... you can keep your coverage, that does not apply to certain parts of the law... for a year.
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Insurance companies were kicking people out because their policies violated the law. These companies did not offer people alternative policies that adhered to the law... nor did they adjust the existing policies to comply with the law.
And NOT ALL Insurance companies did this. Many companies adjusted the policies to meet the requirements and kept their policy holders.
It is a few companies that are kicking people out and using the law as justification to do so.
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If you want to be mad about something... be mad at the Insurance companies that are looking for a reason to dump policy holders.
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Also... I still do not believe that lie is worse than the one that lead to the deaths of 4,485 U.S. Soldiers. That must be one hell of an insurance policy you have, because to me... a dead soldier is far worse than losing my insurance coverage.
Not to mention almost 1 million Iraqi citizens and countless casualties of many were innocent men, women and children. They were human souls too and just as important as any American citizen. This is one planet and ALL of us here are vital to it's continued existence none any more important than any other.
peace
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i know.
I just limit it to U.S. Soldiers because that is all that matters to the audience I'm trying to get my point across to.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
[quote="Godfather."How is this a lie? in the beginning he said "you can keep your current health care plan" and now it's for 1 year ?
Godfather.[/quote
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But, the truth is... you can keep your coverage, that does not apply to certain parts of the law... for a year.
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Insurance companies were kicking people out because their policies violated the law. These companies did not offer people alternative policies that adhered to the law... nor did they adjust the existing policies to comply with the law.
And NOT ALL Insurance companies did this. Many companies adjusted the policies to meet the requirements and kept their policy holders.
It is a few companies that are kicking people out and using the law as justification to do so.
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If you want to be mad about something... be mad at the Insurance companies that are looking for a reason to dump policy holders.
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Also... I still do not believe that lie is worse than the one that lead to the deaths of 4,485 U.S. Soldiers. That must be one hell of an insurance policy you have, because to me... a dead soldier is far worse than losing my insurance coverage.
Not to mention almost 1 million Iraqi citizens killed and countless casualties of many were innocent men, women and children. They were human souls too and just as important as any American citizen. This is one planet and ALL of us here are vital to it's continued existence none any more important than any other.
peace
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i know.
I just limit it to U.S. Soldiers because that is all that matters to the audience I'm trying to get my point across to.
Oh I know and I understand why you left that point out just so you could be understood. Carry on....
peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
dead soldiers can not be grought back, this law can be changed and why is so important for you to compare obama to past issues ? this today right now and it can be stoped or changed for the better, learn from the past don't use it as an excuse to justify obama's bullshit.
Godfather.
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Hey... you are the one that came up with the idea that because of President Obama's lies, he is the worst president ever.
I disagree and asked you to pick out the worst lie... so, i could compare that lie with other lies told by past Presidents.
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I am simply comparing the lie you believe is the worst lie told to America by its President... to the lie that I believe is amongst the worst lies told to us.
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Your selection for worst lie deals with access to health care insurance... my selection deals with the deaths of American Soldiers.
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All this tells everyone who reads this is that you think losing your health care insurance is worse than having soldiers die. To which, I strongly disagree.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
"I am really good at killing people with drones."
- obama
Interesting quote I don't know the context, however if those people are terrorists do you have an issue with him killing those people?
Mind you I cant stand that drone program because with it many innocent people are also killed in those attacks in search of said terrorists.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Interesting quote I don't know the context, however if those people are terrorists do you have an issue with him killing those people?
Mind you I cant stand that drone program because with it many innocent people are also killed in those attacks in search of said terrorists.
Peace
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I agree. I believe fighting a war with drones open up too many moral issues. Like, does it extend the theater of combat to include the bases from which these strikes are launched. If so, does that make the drone pilot a combatant? And does that expand the war zone to the places he goes.. like the Costco, the McDonalds, his daughter's school when he picks her up?
If al qaeda sends an operative to kill an active duty drone pilot... is it terrorism? Murder? An act of war? Does his daughter and her school mates become 'collateral damage'?
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And yes, I oppose the expanded use of drones because I would really hate it if countries like Russia and China used them.
So, I understand yours and my opposition to drone strikes. What about others? Are they against drone strikes on moral grounds... or just the drone strikes carried out by this president?
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
"I am really good at killing people with drones."
- obama
Interesting quote I don't know the context, however if those people are terrorists do you have an issue with him killing those people?
Mind you I cant stand that drone program because with it many innocent people are also killed in those attacks in search of said terrorists.
Peace
I am not against drones.
If you find yourself in fair fight...your tatics suck.
Once the other team has drones...we will have advanced our technologies.
I am against drone pilots receiving combat medals.
My dislike for obama is not equal to the hate, this website projected towards President Bush.
Yes there was extreme hate towards GWB maybe due to decisions to go to war in a country such as Iraq. Why Iraq when most terrorists on 911 came from Saudi Arabia, why not search that country for said terrorists. I had no such hate towards GWB or any President none of us were in his shoes to make the decisions he had to make....mind you I did dislike him but harbored no hate towards him. I would certainly say I disliked him and felt pity for him at times.
Peace
*We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
dead soldiers can not be grought back, this law can be changed and why is so important for you to compare obama to past issues ? this today right now and it can be stoped or changed for the better, learn from the past don't use it as an excuse to justify obama's bullshit.
Godfather.
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Hey... you are the one that came up with the idea that because of President Obama's lies, he is the worst president ever.
I disagree and asked you to pick out the worst lie... so, i could compare that lie with other lies told by past Presidents.
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I am simply comparing the lie you believe is the worst lie told to America by its President... to the lie that I believe is amongst the worst lies told to us.
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Your selection for worst lie deals with access to health care insurance... my selection deals with the deaths of American Soldiers.
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All this tells everyone who reads this is that you think losing your health care insurance is worse than having soldiers die. To which, I strongly disagree.
no my friend,you are twisting this to try and cover your personal beliefs about obama, I never said health care issues are worse than dead soldiers or any deaths for that matter , if you don't agree with me that's fine most here don't but don't play along with the rest of the obama supporters and twist my comments and beliefs/words to suit your counter point,if you think Americans should just lay belly down for obama's health car plan I think you are sadly mistaken.........and really comparing shit like war to health care ? what are you thinking man ? altho obama seems to like fucking them both up...along with many other things and don't ask me to explain what he is fucking up I know you read the news.
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WOW!!!! Where the f—k do you find the sh-t you post??????
First and foremost, ALL Politicians lie to benefit their agendas. I guess, however, it takes a bias psychotherapist trying to make a few bucks by creating her own version of a tell-all, to fill the empty void of the brainless and gullible birthers to keep it going.
Actualy, sir.. I wanted you to pick out the lie or lies that makes this President the worst President... even worse than Harding.
Hail, Hail!!!
This was exactly the response I had expected. Perplexed.
This is because you believe that the business owner... let's say the business owner that you work for... built the systems that deliver water, electricity and natural gas to your building. He also built the street that the cars drive up to your door and the highway system that delivers them to your street.
You do not believe that it takes a multitude of tax payers living in a structured society to collectively accomplish these results... just your one boss did that. That's it... right?
Hail, Hail!!!
just like a real muslim
Godfather.
just one ? it's more than lies that make a bad president his actions are in question also.
Godfather.
Harding was the compromise candidate in the 1920 election, when he promised the nation a return to "normalcy", in the form of a strong economy, independent of foreign influence. This program was designed to rid Americans of the tragic memories and hardships faced during World War I. Harding and the Republican Party had desired to move away from progressivism that dominated the early 20th century. He defeated Democrat and fellow Ohioan James M. Cox in the largest presidential popular vote landslide (60.32% to 34.15%) since popular vote totals were first recorded.[3]
Harding not only put the "best minds" on his cabinet including Herbert Hoover as Secretary of Commerce and Charles Evans Hughes as Secretary of State, but also rewarded his friends and contributors, known as the Ohio Gang, with powerful positions. Cases of corruption, including the notorious Teapot Dome scandal, arose resulting in prison terms for his appointees.[4] He was a keen poker player, who once gambled away on a single hand an entire set of White House china dating back to Benjamin Harrison.[5] Harding did manage to clean up corruption in the Veterans Bureau.[6]
Domestically, Harding signed the first federal child welfare program, dealt with striking mining and railroad workers, including supporting an 8-hour work day, and attended an unemployment rate drop by half.[7] He also set up the Bureau of the Budget to prepare the United States federal budget. Harding advocated an anti-lynching bill to curb violence against African Americans; it failed to pass. In foreign affairs, Harding spurned the League of Nations, and (Congress having rejected the Treaty of Versailles) signed a World War I peace treaty with Germany and Austria separate from the other Allies. Harding promoted a successful world naval program.
In August 1923, Harding suddenly collapsed and died. His administration's many scandals have historically earned Harding a low ranking as president,[8] but there has been growing recognition of his fiscal responsibility and endorsement of African-American civil rights.[9] Harding has been viewed as a more modern politician who embraced technology and who was sensitive to the plights of minorities, women, and labor.[10]
Come on... pick one. there are a ton of them for you to choose from. In your opinion, Which lie is so horrible... and how or why is it so horrible?
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Here, I'll give you an example.
President Says, 'You're doing a heck of a job, Brownie'... when in fact, Secretary Brown gutted FEMA by hiring his friends to run the show, that lead to a massive exodus of competent FEMA workers who could not deal with the incompetency of FEMA Executive Management which allows dead bodies to lay in the streets of a major American city for days after a horrific natural disaster.
In my books... that is a pretty horrible lie.
Hail, Hail!!!
Who would've ever thought us Muslims have a sense of humor, ey jimmy?
Wait, Jimmy's a Muslim too? Well I'll be damned!
Please, explain to me.. in your own words... what all of this stuff (which you have obviously Googled, cut and pasted) means.
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Note: I even take, "I have no fucking clue what any of this means because I just Googled 'Harding' and cut and pasted it from Wikipedia" as an acceptable answer.
Hail, Hail!!!
It was obviously my keen sense of humor that gave me away.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I have no f***cking clue...I just hit wiki and skimmmed thru it and went to lunch, I just wanted throw it up there.
but if I have to pick one obama lie from the many I'll put this one up there, people can keep their won insc. for up to a year....what a dickhead , what on earth is he trying to do besides keep fu**king Americans harder every time he opens his mouth..the guy is a total asshat.
Breaking News from ABCNEWS.com:
President Obama Announces Americans Can Keep Health Insurance Plans for Up to a Year [12:10 P.M.]
For more on this and other breaking news go to ABCNews.com: http://abcnews.go.com?nwltr=bn
Godfather.
Thank you.
So, the lie you say is the worst of all of the lies from that list is, 'people can keep their won insc. for up to a year'.
Okay... hmmmmmm... sorry, but I have to ask...
How is this a lie? I mean, the one year he is talking about ends in 365 days or so. We have not reached November 14th, 2014 yet... have we? How can it be a lie... if we do not know whether it is true or not?
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Anyway, I think a far worse lie told to us was that Iraq had nuclear weapons and were going to hit us where the Smoking Gun would be in the form of a mushroom cloud that lead us to invade Iraq which killed 4500 U.S. soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives and has buried us deep into debt that we are passing on to future generations to pay for as well as losing our standing as a military super power when we saw our troops being held up by politically induced rules of engagement that lowered their abilities from fighting soldiers to occupational police and nation builders while losing all of the worldwide sympathy we got after the attacks of September 11, 2001 and elevating Iran as a greater player in the region that it had been.
I believe that is a worse lie than telling insurance companies that they can still insure Americans holding policies that do not adhere to the new law for an additional 365 days. Somehow... and this is just me... the deaths and injuries to our military peopl is more important than having to switch health care providers.
I guess, that's what makes us different.
Hail, Hail!!!
I understand being upset at the way this healthcare initiative has been rolled out in general and at that statement Obama made in particular. That said, isn't the "lie" you are pointing to here just him trying to correct that mistake? This doesn't seem like a very big one. Was he lying when he said everyone could keep their healthcare plan or was he mistaken? I don't know, but I do know that this change to the law you are linking to is him trying correct what was stated incorrectly in the past.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Godfather.
But, the truth is... you can keep your coverage, that does not apply to certain parts of the law... for a year.
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Insurance companies were kicking people out because their policies violated the law. These companies did not offer people alternative policies that adhered to the law... nor did they adjust the existing policies to comply with the law.
And NOT ALL Insurance companies did this. Many companies adjusted the policies to meet the requirements and kept their policy holders.
It is a few companies that are kicking people out and using the law as justification to do so.
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If you want to be mad about something... be mad at the Insurance companies that are looking for a reason to dump policy holders.
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Also... I still do not believe that lie is worse than the one that lead to the deaths of 4,485 U.S. Soldiers. That must be one hell of an insurance policy you have, because to me... a dead soldier is far worse than losing my insurance coverage.
Hail, Hail!!!
dead soldiers can not be grought back, this law can be changed and why is so important for you to compare obama to past issues ? this today right now and it can be stoped or changed for the better, learn from the past don't use it as an excuse to justify obama's bullshit.
Godfather.
Not to mention almost 1 million Iraqi citizens and countless casualties of many were innocent men, women and children. They were human souls too and just as important as any American citizen. This is one planet and ALL of us here are vital to it's continued existence none any more important than any other.
peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
i know.
I just limit it to U.S. Soldiers because that is all that matters to the audience I'm trying to get my point across to.
Hail, Hail!!!
Oh I know and I understand why you left that point out just so you could be understood. Carry on....
peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Hey... you are the one that came up with the idea that because of President Obama's lies, he is the worst president ever.
I disagree and asked you to pick out the worst lie... so, i could compare that lie with other lies told by past Presidents.
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I am simply comparing the lie you believe is the worst lie told to America by its President... to the lie that I believe is amongst the worst lies told to us.
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Your selection for worst lie deals with access to health care insurance... my selection deals with the deaths of American Soldiers.
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All this tells everyone who reads this is that you think losing your health care insurance is worse than having soldiers die. To which, I strongly disagree.
Hail, Hail!!!
I appreciate the truth he shared...
"I am really good at killing people with drones."
- obama
Interesting quote I don't know the context, however if those people are terrorists do you have an issue with him killing those people?
Mind you I cant stand that drone program because with it many innocent people are also killed in those attacks in search of said terrorists.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
I agree. I believe fighting a war with drones open up too many moral issues. Like, does it extend the theater of combat to include the bases from which these strikes are launched. If so, does that make the drone pilot a combatant? And does that expand the war zone to the places he goes.. like the Costco, the McDonalds, his daughter's school when he picks her up?
If al qaeda sends an operative to kill an active duty drone pilot... is it terrorism? Murder? An act of war? Does his daughter and her school mates become 'collateral damage'?
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And yes, I oppose the expanded use of drones because I would really hate it if countries like Russia and China used them.
So, I understand yours and my opposition to drone strikes. What about others? Are they against drone strikes on moral grounds... or just the drone strikes carried out by this president?
Hail, Hail!!!
Really thought proboking, intelligent, on point and factual.
It is really refreshing to have a good debate on AMT
:corn:
I blame Crazy Aunt Thelma for sending her those Spam Mails she gets from the New Republic from her AOL account.
Hail, Hail!!!
I am not against drones.
If you find yourself in fair fight...your tatics suck.
Once the other team has drones...we will have advanced our technologies.
I am against drone pilots receiving combat medals.
My dislike for obama is not equal to the hate, this website projected towards President Bush.
Yes there was extreme hate towards GWB maybe due to decisions to go to war in a country such as Iraq. Why Iraq when most terrorists on 911 came from Saudi Arabia, why not search that country for said terrorists. I had no such hate towards GWB or any President none of us were in his shoes to make the decisions he had to make....mind you I did dislike him but harbored no hate towards him. I would certainly say I disliked him and felt pity for him at times.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
no my friend,you are twisting this to try and cover your personal beliefs about obama, I never said health care issues are worse than dead soldiers or any deaths for that matter , if you don't agree with me that's fine most here don't but don't play along with the rest of the obama supporters and twist my comments and beliefs/words to suit your counter point,if you think Americans should just lay belly down for obama's health car plan I think you are sadly mistaken.........and really comparing shit like war to health care ? what are you thinking man ? altho obama seems to like fucking them both up...along with many other things and don't ask me to explain what he is fucking up I know you read the news.
Godfather.
That's solid advice