no my friend,you are twisting this to try and cover your personal beliefs about obama, I never said health care issues are worse than dead soldiers or any deaths for that matter , if you don't agree with me that's fine most here don't but don't play along with the rest of the obama supporters and twist my comments and beliefs/words to suit your counter point,if you think Americans should just lay belly down for obama's health car plan I think you are sadly mistaken.........and really comparing shit like war to health care ? what are you thinking man ? altho obama seems to like fucking them both up...along with many other things and don't ask me to explain what he is fucking up I know you read the news.
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With all due respect, I believe you have it all wrong, sir.
I am just trying to reconcile this statement you made earlier in this thread: I think we all see that he is a liar but some will never say it out loud because they boasted so much support and followed his path as president to the end,as I have said before "wrong man for the job" and he will go down in history for a few thing's, the first black president and one of the worst presidents in history.
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That is what got me thinking... What does Godfather base this opinion on? Does he know about President Harding... or U.S. Grant? Does he know about Eisenhower's lie about F.Gary Powers? The lie about the WMDs in Iraq? What lie has President Obama told us that would qualify him for Godfather's list as one of the worst presidents in our history? We've been told some terrible lies by our presidents... which Obama lie would rank amongst the other?
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You chose the one about keeping access to health care Insurance policies as your top ranked lie. Presumably, a lie so terrible to you as to rank President Obama at or near the worst Presidents of all time.
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I find that a bit odd. Mostly because other lies have lead to deaths... which, to me... are a lot worse than getting dropped by your insurer. As you argued later, dead soldiers cannot be brought back (which is true)... but, can't you get another insurance policy from another company?
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So, if you really believe I am trying to 'twist your words'.... let me assure you I am not. Your words are all I can go by because I do not possess any skills in clairvoyance. I can only go by what you say.
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no my friend,you are twisting this to try and cover your personal beliefs about obama, I never said health care issues are worse than dead soldiers or any deaths for that matter , if you don't agree with me that's fine most here don't but don't play along with the rest of the obama supporters and twist my comments and beliefs/words to suit your counter point,if you think Americans should just lay belly down for obama's health car plan I think you are sadly mistaken.........and really comparing shit like war to health care ? what are you thinking man ? altho obama seems to like fucking them both up...along with many other things and don't ask me to explain what he is fucking up I know you read the news.
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With all due respect, I believe you have it all wrong, sir.
I am just trying to reconcile this statement you made earlier in this thread: I think we all see that he is a liar but some will never say it out loud because they boasted so much support and followed his path as president to the end,as I have said before "wrong man for the job" and he will go down in history for a few thing's, the first black president and one of the worst presidents in history.
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That is what got me thinking... What does Godfather base this opinion on? Does he know about President Harding... or U.S. Grant? Does he know about Eisenhower's lie about F.Gary Powers? The lie about the WMDs in Iraq? What lie has President Obama told us that would qualify him for Godfather's list as one of the worst presidents in our history? We've been told some terrible lies by our presidents... which Obama lie would rank amongst the other?
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You chose the one about keeping access to health care Insurance policies as your top ranked lie. Presumably, a lie so terrible to you as to rank President Obama at or near the worst Presidents of all time.
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I find that a bit odd. Mostly because other lies have lead to deaths... which, to me... are a lot worse than getting dropped by your insurer. As you argued later, dead soldiers cannot be brought back (which is true)... but, can't you get another insurance policy from another company?
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So, if you really believe I am trying to 'twist your words'.... let me assure you I am not. Your words are all I can go by because I do not possess any skills in clairvoyance. I can only go by what you say.
so you think Americans should just have to find another insc. company when obamas mess dictates ?
and now you would like to talk about past lies and presidents...well there's a lesson there and it seem obama is to full of himself to pay attention and learn "don't lie to the American people" ...ahhh wtf does that shit bag know anyway ?
minimising a huge blunder like obama care will end in disaster.
dead soldiers can not be grought back, this law can be changed and why is so important for you to compare obama to past issues ? this today right now and it can be stoped or changed for the better, learn from the past don't use it as an excuse to justify obama's bullshit.
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because it seems so important to you to compare Obama to every other president by saying he's the worst in history. no one's justifying anything. you said he's the worst, cosmo is saying he's not and giving you examples why. it's pretty simple.
you proved to everyone here exactly what I had asked you several times in another thread; to tell me in your own words why you feel the way you do, and you can't. you obviously hate Obama for reasons other than what he's done/will do/hasn't done. you have hated him since the day he got elected. and many times you accused him of being a closet muslim and a non-american.
just fucking say it already: you don't like him because his middle name scares you.
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oh, and to the OP: jesus motherfucking christ. :fp:
it was said before, but I'll reiterate; any mental health professional that has any fucking brains in his head would NEVER, EVER, try to diagnose someone they had not met, not only once, but several times behind closed doors.
it is unfathomable to me that you believe, or even seek out, this nonsense.
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dead soldiers can not be grought back, this law can be changed and why is so important for you to compare obama to past issues ? this today right now and it can be stoped or changed for the better, learn from the past don't use it as an excuse to justify obama's bullshit.
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because it seems so important to you to compare Obama to every other president by saying he's the worst in history. no one's justifying anything. you said he's the worst, cosmo is saying he's not and giving you examples why. it's pretty simple.
you proved to everyone here exactly what I had asked you several times in another thread; to tell me in your own words why you feel the way you do, and you can't. you obviously hate Obama for reasons other than what he's done/will do/hasn't done. you have hated him since the day he got elected. and many times you accused him of being a closet muslim and a non-american.
just fucking say it already: you don't like him because his middle name scares you.
show me where I called him a closet mislim.....or a non American, I don't really remember posting any of that.
his name is not so scary it's his actions, can't you...all of you see the contravesy that has sourended his entire presidency
and just this last one about keeping your insc. if you don't need obamacare is the way it's been almost sense he got elected.
Nixon wire taps a hotel and got impeached,Clinton got a blow job (so what) and obama wire taps all of America and you guy's just keep backing him up,why don't you just say it..your choice for US President is a fucking blunder.
show me where I called him a closet mislim.....or a non American, I don't really remember posting any of that.
his name is not so scary it's his actions, can't you...all of you see the contravesy that has sourended his entire presidency
and just this last one about keeping your insc. if you don't need obamacare is the way it's been almost sense he got elected.
Nixon wire taps a hotel and got impeached,Clinton got a blow job (so what) and obama wire taps all of America and you guy's just keep backing him up,why don't you just say it..your choice for US President is a fucking blunder.
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you did a long time ago.
no one keeps defending him and what he's doing. all we're saying is these inflammatory posts are utter nonsense. I'm Canadian. I didn't choose him. But I would have. And I STILL think your country would be in a worse state (for other reasons) if McCain had been elected.
And us saying he's not the worst president in US history is far from backing up everything he does. You can't even make that claim since you don't even know your own country's history, and you have proven that. You know of, maybe the last 40 years worth, and the founders. Everyone in between might as well not have existed to you.
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so you think Americans should just have to find another insc. company when obamas mess dictates ?
and now you would like to talk about past lies and presidents...well there's a lesson there and it seem obama is to full of himself to pay attention and learn "don't lie to the American people" ...ahhh wtf does that shit bag know anyway ?
minimising a huge blunder like obama care will end in disaster.
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First off...
No, I don't think that Americans should just have to find another insurance company because i believe that the insurance companies should make their existing policies conform to the law... rather than dumping the policy holders and blaming it on the law.
Secondly... as Americans, we ALL know we get lied to by politicians. Whether it is "I am not a crook"... or "Read my lips, No new Taxes".. or "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"... or "Reports of a U.S. spy plane being shot down over the U.S.S.R. is false"... or 'We do not negotiate with terrorists"... or "Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons and will use them"... or "If you like your current plan, you keep it"... we all know our history, right? Right?? We should only be surprized when a president lies to us if we know absolutely nothing about what has happened in the past. If we think that politicians do not lie... we are nothing but complete idiots.
I'm not saying that lying is right... i'm just saying that it is an inbred fact of politics. If you tell he truth... you never get elected.
Now... of the short list I posted of lies told to us... I rank the one that got us into fucking Iraq as the worst... then the one where we traded weapons for terrorists in Central Americas with terrorists in Iran. The rest are bad.. but, not deadly.
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Finally... as i previously stated, I lack the powers of seeing into the future or the ability to travel into the future, so I do not know how disasterous Obamacare is going to be. But, i surely am not taking your word for it because I KNOW you can't see the future, either.
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its tough to tell weather or not Obama will go down as the worst. But I'd bet he's in the bottom 5 or 6. Obamacare, I think, will be a disaster for this country. We can't afford it. I can't afford it. But this isn't the only issue that will bury Obama in history. Benghazi, his inability to negotiate with congress, his inability to get any of his campaign promises passed, the bailouts.....
The real genius of Obama is how he has made it impossible for future administrations to fix the problems he has caused.
its tough to tell weather or not Obama will go down as the worst. But I'd bet he's in the bottom 5 or 6. Obamacare, I think, will be a disaster for this country. We can't afford it. I can't afford it. But this isn't the only issue that will bury Obama in history. Benghazi, his inability to negotiate with congress, his inability to get any of his campaign promises passed, the bailouts.....
The real genius of Obama is how he has made it impossible for future administrations to fix the problems he has caused.
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I don't see it.
Why? Because even as bad a G.W.Bush was... he will not crack the bottom 10.
How can anyone justify Presidents Tyler, Pierce, Buchannan and Fillmore who actions/inactions lead up to the Civil War... a War in which 620,000 Americans died. The Civil War is much, much worse than universal access to health care. And Slavery. The Civil War and Slavery are the two worse things that have happened in America. Those things even dwarf the Great Depression. Then you toss in thing like Viet Nam and Watergate... Viet Nam sucked ass. Young poor Americans were drafted and shipped off to kill and die for what?
I just cannot imagine Obamacare being worse than The Civil War, Slavery, the Great Depression or Viet Nam. I just don't see it.
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I don't see it.
Why? Because even as bad a G.W.Bush was... he will not crack the bottom 10.
How can anyone justify Presidents Tyler, Pierce, Buchannan and Fillmore who actions/inactions lead up to the Civil War... a War in which 620,000 Americans died. The Civil War is much, much worse than universal access to health care. And Slavery. The Civil War and Slavery are the two worse things that have happened in America. Those things even dwarf the Great Depression. Then you toss in thing like Viet Nam and Watergate... Viet Nam sucked ass. Young poor Americans were drafted and shipped off to kill and die for what?
I just cannot imagine Obamacare being worse than The Civil War, Slavery, the Great Depression or Viet Nam. I just don't see it.
my guess is people think Obama is one of the worst because they don't know much, if anything, of most of the presidents in the history of your country.
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I don't see it.
Why? Because even as bad a G.W.Bush was... he will not crack the bottom 10.
How can anyone justify Presidents Tyler, Pierce, Buchannan and Fillmore who actions/inactions lead up to the Civil War... a War in which 620,000 Americans died. The Civil War is much, much worse than universal access to health care. And Slavery. The Civil War and Slavery are the two worse things that have happened in America. Those things even dwarf the Great Depression. Then you toss in thing like Viet Nam and Watergate... Viet Nam sucked ass. Young poor Americans were drafted and shipped off to kill and die for what?
I just cannot imagine Obamacare being worse than The Civil War, Slavery, the Great Depression or Viet Nam. I just don't see it.
my guess is people think Obama is one of the worst because they don't know much, if anything, of most of the presidents in the history of your country.
when your info comes from foxnews and the wacky websites/ emails like the OP, you won't know much of anything. full stop
oh, and to the OP: jesus motherfucking christ. :fp:
it was said before, but I'll reiterate; any mental health professional that has any fucking brains in his head would NEVER, EVER, try to diagnose someone they had not met, not only once, but several times behind closed doors.
it is unfathomable to me that you believe, or even seek out, this nonsense.
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Like I said earlier. ...comments like yours will be reported to the mods by the OP and you'll get banned
For some people 1st amendment rights don't extend to their criticd
I found this (cut and paste) but somes things up pretty well, I'm not as well worded as some of you......so I cheat
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America has had some great presidents, many mediocre ones and a few bad ones. But we've never had one like Barack Obama. He's the first who thinks the job is beneath him.
He's the first who turns political give-and-take into a crisis by refusing to negotiate with Congress.
He's the first who thinks the way to more power is to inflict pain on ordinary people.
The move to barricade the World War II memorial reveals the mentality of a tin-pot dictator. The limited government shutdown did not need to affect the memorial because it is open 24 hours, without gates and often without guards.
But to turn public opinion in his favor, Obama's goons trucked in barricades to keep out World War II vets and other visitors. By one estimate, the barricades and workers cost $100,000.
The same punish-the-people attitude led to shutdowns of other parks and historic sites that get no federal funding.
"We've been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It's disgusting," a Park Service ranger told The Washington Times.
The ranger cited the order to close the parking lot at George Washington's home in Mount Vernon so visitors couldn't use it. The cheap trick captured the contrast between a revered president and the current one.
I've been saying for a while that there is no bottom to Obama. He's not just ruthless. He's without scruples and honor.
Now the shutdown has ended, it will bring only a temporary respite from the crisis atmosphere in Washington. When it comes to his countrymen, Obama always chooses conflict over cooperation.
Meanwhile, Jimmy Carter can rest easy. We have a new worst president.
show me where I called him a closet mislim.....or a non American, I don't really remember posting any of that.
his name is not so scary it's his actions, can't you...all of you see the contravesy that has sourended his entire presidency
and just this last one about keeping your insc. if you don't need obamacare is the way it's been almost sense he got elected.
Nixon wire taps a hotel and got impeached,Clinton got a blow job (so what) and obama wire taps all of America and you guy's just keep backing him up,why don't you just say it..your choice for US President is a fucking blunder.
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you did a long time ago.
no one keeps defending him and what he's doing. all we're saying is these inflammatory posts are utter nonsense. I'm Canadian. I didn't choose him. But I would have. And I STILL think your country would be in a worse state (for other reasons) if McCain had been elected.
And us saying he's not the worst president in US history is far from backing up everything he does. You can't even make that claim since you don't even know your own country's history, and you have proven that. You know of, maybe the last 40 years worth, and the founders. Everyone in between might as well not have existed to you.
I don't compare obama to presidents before my time because I didn't live it to make that comparisson. don't get so upset man it aint worth it, your opinion my opinion ...everybody's opinion of the worst president in history is no doubt different from person to person, and my knoledge of American history is something you can't attack unless you have sat and talked to me personally and besides people like you from other countries usally have a different view of our history and if your not here to live it all you can honestly put forward is your opinion of the facts you read on the news so eeeeeezzzzzz there bronco we're all just people trying to survive with the situations we are dealing with.
I don't compare obama to presidents before my time because I didn't live it to make that comparisson. don't get so upset man it aint worth it, your opinion my opinion ...everybody's opinion of the worst president in history is no doubt different from person to person, and my knoledge of American history is something you can't attack unless you have sat and talked to me personally and besides people like you from other countries usally have a different view of our history and if your not here to live it all you can honestly put forward is your opinion of the facts you read on the news so eeeeeezzzzzz there bronco we're all just people trying to survive with the situations we are dealing with.
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I always love the passive-aggressive approach you take with your "calm down" nonsense. where in my post did I insinuate that I was angry? gimme a break dude. I have much better things in real life to get worked up about.
you still don't get it. saying he's the worst president ever is a DIRECT comparison to those that came before him, and then you say you don't compare him to anyone? :fp:
let me know when you know what you're talking about.
and Canadians have no vested interest in warping how your country's history played out. I learned about it in history class all the way through high school. I didn't get my facts about your country's history from tv, sorry. we have an objective view of your country's history. many americans, though, don't.
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I don't compare obama to presidents before my time because I didn't live it to make that comparisson. don't get so upset man it aint worth it, your opinion my opinion ...everybody's opinion of the worst president in history is no doubt different from person to person, and my knoledge of American history is something you can't attack unless you have sat and talked to me personally and besides people like you from other countries usally have a different view of our history and if your not here to live it all you can honestly put forward is your opinion of the facts you read on the news so eeeeeezzzzzz there bronco we're all just people trying to survive with the situations we are dealing with.
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I always love the passive-aggressive approach you take with your "calm down" nonsense. where in my post did I insinuate that I was angry? gimme a break dude. I have much better things in real life to get worked up about.
you still don't get it. saying he's the worst president ever is a DIRECT comparison to those that came before him, and then you say you don't compare him to anyone? :fp:
let me know when you know what you're talking about.
and Canadians have no vested interest in warping how your country's history played out. I learned about it in history class all the way through high school. I didn't get my facts about your country's history from tv, sorry. we have an objective view of your country's history. many americans, though, don't.
The somewhat 'sheltered' or 'indoctrinated' perspective of their country is not their fault: from what I have come to understand- and please correct me if I am wrong- the public education system in the US spends an overwhelming portion of their curriculum dedicated to the study of US history. In particular, the glorified version of their history.
Outside of special programs, the advised curriculum offers very few opportunities to comprehensively study other countries and cultures to any significant degree.
The somewhat 'sheltered' or 'indoctrinated' perspective of their country is not their fault: from what I have come to understand- and please correct me if I am wrong- the public education system in the US spends an overwhelming portion of their curriculum dedicated to the study of US history. In particular, the glorified version of their history.
Outside of special programs, the advised curriculum offers very few opportunities to comprehensively study other countries and cultures to any significant degree.
I don't know if that's correct, but it's what I've also been told. It's kind of a running joke in Canadian education circles that Canadians know more American history than a good percentage of Americans.
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The somewhat 'sheltered' or 'indoctrinated' perspective of their country is not their fault: from what I have come to understand- and please correct me if I am wrong- the public education system in the US spends an overwhelming portion of their curriculum dedicated to the study of US history. In particular, the glorified version of their history.
Outside of special programs, the advised curriculum offers very few opportunities to comprehensively study other countries and cultures to any significant degree.
I don't know if that's correct, but it's what I've also been told. It's kind of a running joke in Canadian education circles that Canadians know more American history than a good percentage of Americans.
To both Thirty and Hugh- that sounds about right to me. Our public schools don't teach much (if anything) about the genocide of First Nations peoples in North America, we "celebrate" Columbus day instead of mourn his slaughtering of indigenous people and we don't teach very much about cultures beyond out borders except maybe about how good Canadians are at ice hockey and how Mexicans are only good at picking crops and dealing drugs. Yeah, it's pathetic... still.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
p.s. My statement above does not mean we don't have some very excellent, conscientious teachers. We do and you've met some of them here. But the system works against them. I know- I used to work in it.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
The somewhat 'sheltered' or 'indoctrinated' perspective of their country is not their fault: from what I have come to understand- and please correct me if I am wrong- the public education system in the US spends an overwhelming portion of their curriculum dedicated to the study of US history. In particular, the glorified version of their history.
Outside of special programs, the advised curriculum offers very few opportunities to comprehensively study other countries and cultures to any significant degree.
I don't know if that's correct, but it's what I've also been told. It's kind of a running joke in Canadian education circles that Canadians know more American history than a good percentage of Americans.
To both Thirty and Hugh- that sounds about right to me. Our public schools don't teach much (if anything) about the genocide of First Nations peoples in North America, we "celebrate" Columbus day instead of mourn his slaughtering of indigenous people and we don't teach very much about cultures beyond out borders except maybe about how good Canadians are at ice hockey and how Mexicans are only good at picking crops and dealing drugs. Yeah, it's pathetic... still.
This is why Obama is getting away with his lies. Because the people that support him do the same thing. Can you show examples that say American's are taught " how good Canadians are at ice hockey and how Mexicans are only good at picking crops and dealing drugs."
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
First of all when did the Insurance companies find out what was in the law.
Second When Obama said "you can keep your insurance" that was a lie
Third when he said "What I said was , you can keep your insurance if..." another lie to cover his other lie.
Fourth.....psychologists get into the mind of many criminals that authorities are trying to capture all the time...so you don't really have to have a sit down with a crazy when you can see a majority of their actions and decisions ...
Fifth....some on here have called me names and have made very nasty remarks about my personality. (like you know me) ......and some of you agree with the name callers (could they be called bullies?). They say I am someone I am not...But you believe them. :? Yet we have never had a sit down face to face discussion....
Obama has never excelled in anything before his Presidency or during......
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Fourth.....psychologists get into the mind of many criminals that authorities are trying to capture all the time...so you don't really have to have a sit down with a crazy when you can see a majority of their actions and decisions ...
this isn't Criminal Minds. profling a mass murderer to track them down is a LITTLE bit different than giving specifics of a possible child molestation or traumatic childhood or presenting tidbits of a man's past drug use as an admission of chronic drug use causing permanent brain damage of a man he's never met. gimme a break.
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Can Obama supporters answer this: What's right with Obama?
Let's at least give him this: he's not GWB.
Let's give him this as well: whether you agree with Obamacare or not... he's trying to work for the benefit of the people of the country- not for the benefit of Rumsfeld and Cheney.
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With all due respect, I believe you have it all wrong, sir.
I am just trying to reconcile this statement you made earlier in this thread:
I think we all see that he is a liar but some will never say it out loud because they boasted so much support and followed his path as president to the end,as I have said before "wrong man for the job" and he will go down in history for a few thing's, the first black president and one of the worst presidents in history.
Godfather.
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That is what got me thinking... What does Godfather base this opinion on? Does he know about President Harding... or U.S. Grant? Does he know about Eisenhower's lie about F.Gary Powers? The lie about the WMDs in Iraq? What lie has President Obama told us that would qualify him for Godfather's list as one of the worst presidents in our history? We've been told some terrible lies by our presidents... which Obama lie would rank amongst the other?
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You chose the one about keeping access to health care Insurance policies as your top ranked lie. Presumably, a lie so terrible to you as to rank President Obama at or near the worst Presidents of all time.
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I find that a bit odd. Mostly because other lies have lead to deaths... which, to me... are a lot worse than getting dropped by your insurer. As you argued later, dead soldiers cannot be brought back (which is true)... but, can't you get another insurance policy from another company?
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So, if you really believe I am trying to 'twist your words'.... let me assure you I am not. Your words are all I can go by because I do not possess any skills in clairvoyance. I can only go by what you say.
Hail, Hail!!!
so you think Americans should just have to find another insc. company when obamas mess dictates ?
and now you would like to talk about past lies and presidents...well there's a lesson there and it seem obama is to full of himself to pay attention and learn "don't lie to the American people" ...ahhh wtf does that shit bag know anyway ?
minimising a huge blunder like obama care will end in disaster.
Godfather.
you need to watch FOXNEWS more often.
Godfather.
because it seems so important to you to compare Obama to every other president by saying he's the worst in history. no one's justifying anything. you said he's the worst, cosmo is saying he's not and giving you examples why. it's pretty simple.
you proved to everyone here exactly what I had asked you several times in another thread; to tell me in your own words why you feel the way you do, and you can't. you obviously hate Obama for reasons other than what he's done/will do/hasn't done. you have hated him since the day he got elected. and many times you accused him of being a closet muslim and a non-american.
just fucking say it already: you don't like him because his middle name scares you.
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it was said before, but I'll reiterate; any mental health professional that has any fucking brains in his head would NEVER, EVER, try to diagnose someone they had not met, not only once, but several times behind closed doors.
it is unfathomable to me that you believe, or even seek out, this nonsense.
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show me where I called him a closet mislim.....or a non American, I don't really remember posting any of that.
his name is not so scary it's his actions, can't you...all of you see the contravesy that has sourended his entire presidency
and just this last one about keeping your insc. if you don't need obamacare is the way it's been almost sense he got elected.
Nixon wire taps a hotel and got impeached,Clinton got a blow job (so what) and obama wire taps all of America and you guy's just keep backing him up,why don't you just say it..your choice for US President is a fucking blunder.
Godfather.
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you did a long time ago.
no one keeps defending him and what he's doing. all we're saying is these inflammatory posts are utter nonsense. I'm Canadian. I didn't choose him. But I would have. And I STILL think your country would be in a worse state (for other reasons) if McCain had been elected.
And us saying he's not the worst president in US history is far from backing up everything he does. You can't even make that claim since you don't even know your own country's history, and you have proven that. You know of, maybe the last 40 years worth, and the founders. Everyone in between might as well not have existed to you.
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First off...
No, I don't think that Americans should just have to find another insurance company because i believe that the insurance companies should make their existing policies conform to the law... rather than dumping the policy holders and blaming it on the law.
Secondly... as Americans, we ALL know we get lied to by politicians. Whether it is "I am not a crook"... or "Read my lips, No new Taxes".. or "I did not have sexual relations with that woman"... or "Reports of a U.S. spy plane being shot down over the U.S.S.R. is false"... or 'We do not negotiate with terrorists"... or "Saddam Hussein has nuclear weapons and will use them"... or "If you like your current plan, you keep it"... we all know our history, right? Right?? We should only be surprized when a president lies to us if we know absolutely nothing about what has happened in the past. If we think that politicians do not lie... we are nothing but complete idiots.
I'm not saying that lying is right... i'm just saying that it is an inbred fact of politics. If you tell he truth... you never get elected.
Now... of the short list I posted of lies told to us... I rank the one that got us into fucking Iraq as the worst... then the one where we traded weapons for terrorists in Central Americas with terrorists in Iran. The rest are bad.. but, not deadly.
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Finally... as i previously stated, I lack the powers of seeing into the future or the ability to travel into the future, so I do not know how disasterous Obamacare is going to be. But, i surely am not taking your word for it because I KNOW you can't see the future, either.
Hail, Hail!!!
The real genius of Obama is how he has made it impossible for future administrations to fix the problems he has caused.
I don't see it.
Why? Because even as bad a G.W.Bush was... he will not crack the bottom 10.
How can anyone justify Presidents Tyler, Pierce, Buchannan and Fillmore who actions/inactions lead up to the Civil War... a War in which 620,000 Americans died. The Civil War is much, much worse than universal access to health care. And Slavery. The Civil War and Slavery are the two worse things that have happened in America. Those things even dwarf the Great Depression. Then you toss in thing like Viet Nam and Watergate... Viet Nam sucked ass. Young poor Americans were drafted and shipped off to kill and die for what?
I just cannot imagine Obamacare being worse than The Civil War, Slavery, the Great Depression or Viet Nam. I just don't see it.
Hail, Hail!!!
my guess is people think Obama is one of the worst because they don't know much, if anything, of most of the presidents in the history of your country.
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when your info comes from foxnews and the wacky websites/ emails like the OP, you won't know much of anything. full stop
Careful Hugh
Like I said earlier. ...comments like yours will be reported to the mods by the OP and you'll get banned
For some people 1st amendment rights don't extend to their criticd
Godfather.
America has had some great presidents, many mediocre ones and a few bad ones. But we've never had one like Barack Obama. He's the first who thinks the job is beneath him.
He's the first who turns political give-and-take into a crisis by refusing to negotiate with Congress.
He's the first who thinks the way to more power is to inflict pain on ordinary people.
The move to barricade the World War II memorial reveals the mentality of a tin-pot dictator. The limited government shutdown did not need to affect the memorial because it is open 24 hours, without gates and often without guards.
But to turn public opinion in his favor, Obama's goons trucked in barricades to keep out World War II vets and other visitors. By one estimate, the barricades and workers cost $100,000.
The same punish-the-people attitude led to shutdowns of other parks and historic sites that get no federal funding.
"We've been told to make life as difficult for people as we can. It's disgusting," a Park Service ranger told The Washington Times.
The ranger cited the order to close the parking lot at George Washington's home in Mount Vernon so visitors couldn't use it. The cheap trick captured the contrast between a revered president and the current one.
I've been saying for a while that there is no bottom to Obama. He's not just ruthless. He's without scruples and honor.
Now the shutdown has ended, it will bring only a temporary respite from the crisis atmosphere in Washington. When it comes to his countrymen, Obama always chooses conflict over cooperation.
Meanwhile, Jimmy Carter can rest easy. We have a new worst president.
I don't compare obama to presidents before my time because I didn't live it to make that comparisson. don't get so upset man it aint worth it, your opinion my opinion ...everybody's opinion of the worst president in history is no doubt different from person to person, and my knoledge of American history is something you can't attack unless you have sat and talked to me personally and besides people like you from other countries usally have a different view of our history and if your not here to live it all you can honestly put forward is your opinion of the facts you read on the news so eeeeeezzzzzz there bronco we're all just people trying to survive with the situations we are dealing with.
Godfather.
I always love the passive-aggressive approach you take with your "calm down" nonsense. where in my post did I insinuate that I was angry? gimme a break dude. I have much better things in real life to get worked up about.
you still don't get it. saying he's the worst president ever is a DIRECT comparison to those that came before him, and then you say you don't compare him to anyone? :fp:
let me know when you know what you're talking about.
and Canadians have no vested interest in warping how your country's history played out. I learned about it in history class all the way through high school. I didn't get my facts about your country's history from tv, sorry. we have an objective view of your country's history. many americans, though, don't.
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Godfather.
The somewhat 'sheltered' or 'indoctrinated' perspective of their country is not their fault: from what I have come to understand- and please correct me if I am wrong- the public education system in the US spends an overwhelming portion of their curriculum dedicated to the study of US history. In particular, the glorified version of their history.
Outside of special programs, the advised curriculum offers very few opportunities to comprehensively study other countries and cultures to any significant degree.
I don't know if that's correct, but it's what I've also been told. It's kind of a running joke in Canadian education circles that Canadians know more American history than a good percentage of Americans.
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To both Thirty and Hugh- that sounds about right to me. Our public schools don't teach much (if anything) about the genocide of First Nations peoples in North America, we "celebrate" Columbus day instead of mourn his slaughtering of indigenous people and we don't teach very much about cultures beyond out borders except maybe about how good Canadians are at ice hockey and how Mexicans are only good at picking crops and dealing drugs. Yeah, it's pathetic... still.
Second When Obama said "you can keep your insurance" that was a lie
Third when he said "What I said was , you can keep your insurance if..." another lie to cover his other lie.
Fourth.....psychologists get into the mind of many criminals that authorities are trying to capture all the time...so you don't really have to have a sit down with a crazy when you can see a majority of their actions and decisions ...
Fifth....some on here have called me names and have made very nasty remarks about my personality. (like you know me) ......and some of you agree with the name callers (could they be called bullies?). They say I am someone I am not...But you believe them. :? Yet we have never had a sit down face to face discussion....
Obama has never excelled in anything before his Presidency or during......
Mary.....read the whole post.
Godfather.
the author is a "psychotherapist and recovering liberal".
case closed.
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this isn't Criminal Minds. profling a mass murderer to track them down is a LITTLE bit different than giving specifics of a possible child molestation or traumatic childhood or presenting tidbits of a man's past drug use as an admission of chronic drug use causing permanent brain damage of a man he's never met. gimme a break.
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Let's at least give him this: he's not GWB.
Let's give him this as well: whether you agree with Obamacare or not... he's trying to work for the benefit of the people of the country- not for the benefit of Rumsfeld and Cheney.