Biker Gang attack man after he runs over motorcyclist-video

ajedigecko

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

polaris_x wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How? If people make you stop and surround your car, feeling in danger is a pretty natural feeling.

Punks. The one swore at reporters leaving the courthouse.

Maybe they'll reconsider fucking with someone next time now that one of them is paralyzed.

Bunch of squids.

all i know is if we start allowing people to run over people when they feel they are in danger arbitrarily ... then you've opened up a huge can of worms ... if you get into a road rage incident with some other driver ... is it ok to plow through a bunch of cars because the other guy gets out of his car?

listen - i'm not a fan of these bikers in any way ... but i also know that if i leave them alone - they leave me alone ... i also know that if i didn't do anything wrong - they aren't gonna arbitrarily beat up my family ... what kind of precedent exists where these bikers randomly stop a family on the road and beat them? ...

This wasn't arbitrary- their was a perceived threat that was imposed upon this family. If the guy had just sat in his suv and then was dragged out and pummelled, people would be second guessing him saying, "Why didn't the guy just drive off?" As it stands the way it went... you are second guessing him: so he really couldn't win in this situation which, begging repetition, he never asked for.

Well said.

polaris_x

pjhawks wrote:

I kind of get what you are saying here but if i'm in the same situation i'm plowing through just as the SUV driver did. although i'm not getting off the highway. whatever happened that led to the dbag stopping his bike in front of the SUV still isn't clear, but it still doesn't give the bikers the right to surround the SUV. Surrounding the SUV in itself is a threatening posture. it's horrible that someone got seriously injured but I have a hard time blaming the driver knowing i'd do the same thing in the same situation.

for sure there are many considerations in this matter ... i just think we are setting a bad precedent ... what if the guy was armed? ... would it have been ok for him to shoot every biker he saw?

polaris_x

check out some of the updates ... http://jalopnik.com/biker-at-start-of-t ... 1433776499

obviously, this is subjective based on one of the bikers ... but they claim that there was no act of aggression to the driver at all after the initial contact ... they wanted to know what happened ... it wasn't until he decided to driver over someone did it become so ...

yeah - i get it ... most people have no sympathy for these bikers who were acting in a punk behaviour ... my point is simply that once we allow for lives to be taken at the slightest perception of a threat ... we are opening ourselves to a horrible precedent much like what the stand your ground law is all about ...

MotoDC

A reasonable force standard needs to be applied. Shooting every biker is not a reasonable force to use in order to remove the (perceived or otherwise) threat to his family. Moving his car out of the blockade that was contributing directly to the threat of his family -- that's a reasonable response. The SUV driver is not the one who decided to use sportbikes and human bodies to create the blockade.

brianlux

As I said earlier, while driving on US 50, I was once surrounded and harassed by a large gang of bikers. It was totally freaking scary as hell. I can totally understand the impulse to bolt. The vast majority of us in the same situation would have a hard time keeping a clear head in this situation. They guy taking off in the SUV is totally understandable. These punks deserve every bit of bad karma coming their way.

ajedigecko

polaris_x wrote:

pjhawks wrote:

I kind of get what you are saying here but if i'm in the same situation i'm plowing through just as the SUV driver did. although i'm not getting off the highway. whatever happened that led to the dbag stopping his bike in front of the SUV still isn't clear, but it still doesn't give the bikers the right to surround the SUV. Surrounding the SUV in itself is a threatening posture. it's horrible that someone got seriously injured but I have a hard time blaming the driver knowing i'd do the same thing in the same situation.

for sure there are many considerations in this matter ... i just think we are setting a bad precedent ... what if the guy was armed? ... would it have been ok for him to shoot every biker he saw?

Px....how is monsanto and suv/bikers related?

polaris_x

ajedigecko wrote:

Px....how is monsanto and suv/bikers related?

haha ... monsanto puts so much artificial shit in our food that it has rendered our general populace morons ... actually ... similar to studies on steroids ... there are studies on certain foods affecting mood swings and decision making ...

brianlux

polaris_x wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

Px....how is monsanto and suv/bikers related?

haha ... monsanto puts so much artificial shit in our food that it has rendered our general populace morons ... actually ... similar to studies on steroids ... there are studies on certain foods affecting mood swings and decision making ...

This, I believe.

JonnyPistachio

polaris_x wrote:

check out some of the updates ... http://jalopnik.com/biker-at-start-of-t ... 1433776499

obviously, this is subjective based on one of the bikers ... but they claim that there was no act of aggression to the driver at all after the initial contact ... they wanted to know what happened ... it wasn't until he decided to driver over someone did it become so ...

yeah - i get it ... most people have no sympathy for these bikers who were acting in a punk behaviour ... my point is simply that once we allow for lives to be taken at the slightest perception of a threat ... we are opening ourselves to a horrible precedent much like what the stand your ground law is all about ...

I've been following this thread and while I despise that biker mentality and think most of them were punk assholes, I get what you're saying polaris. I dont think we can see enough of how threatened the SUV driver was to plow through a crowd (some of which might have just stopped because the crowd stopped - might have been innocent?) Maybe they deserved it, I dont know, but im not judging it from that video.

Cliffy6745

polaris_x wrote:

Cliffy6745 wrote:

How? If people make you stop and surround your car, feeling in danger is a pretty natural feeling.

Punks. The one swore at reporters leaving the courthouse.

Maybe they'll reconsider fucking with someone next time now that one of them is paralyzed.

Bunch of squids.

all i know is if we start allowing people to run over people when they feel they are in danger arbitrarily ... then you've opened up a huge can of worms ... if you get into a road rage incident with some other driver ... is it ok to plow through a bunch of cars because the other guy gets out of his car?

listen - i'm not a fan of these bikers in any way ... but i also know that if i leave them alone - they leave me alone ... i also know that if i didn't do anything wrong - they aren't gonna arbitrarily beat up my family ... what kind of precedent exists where these bikers randomly stop a family on the road and beat them? ...

I get this, and I agree with this but this situation is a bit different. A man with a wife and child in the car is likely fucked with, forced to stop, surrounded and approached by possibly a few hundred people. That is about as threatening as it gets to me. Not sure there are any normal people who would not feel they are in danger in that situation.

ajedigecko

polaris_x wrote:

ajedigecko wrote:

Px....how is monsanto and suv/bikers related?

haha ... monsanto puts so much artificial shit in our food that it has rendered our general populace morons ... actually ... similar to studies on steroids ... there are studies on certain foods affecting mood swings and decision making ...

You are good...expect a call from fda, to replace the current director.

Oops...on topic...reverse would have been a good option, once stopped.

Godfather.

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The motorcycle riding contingency of this forum cannot even find fault with the guy's actions. It's a slam dunk.

We can talk hypotheticals, but what for? In this particular instance, a man exercised his judgement to try and ensure his family and he were safe.

The motorcycle morons flaunted their poor behaviour and in the process of doing so... one of them got hurt. It's too bad that everyone out that day didn't slink back into their homes when the morons were flying about with no regard for anyone, but life cannot stop because idiots wish to play idiots.

thisis interesting........I thought there might be more to the "biker gang" story.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/03/us/bikers ... ?hpt=ju_c2


Godfather.

MayDay10

Godfather. wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The motorcycle riding contingency of this forum cannot even find fault with the guy's actions. It's a slam dunk.

We can talk hypotheticals, but what for? In this particular instance, a man exercised his judgement to try and ensure his family and he were safe.

The motorcycle morons flaunted their poor behaviour and in the process of doing so... one of them got hurt. It's too bad that everyone out that day didn't slink back into their homes when the morons were flying about with no regard for anyone, but life cannot stop because idiots wish to play idiots.

thisis interesting........I thought there might be more to the "biker gang" story.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/03/us/bikers ... ?hpt=ju_c2


Godfather.

They gathered Wednesday night outside the Manhattan hospital where one of the bikers, Edwin Mieses, lies comatose. He was run over by the SUV as the driver tried to escape.
"It is an unfortunate situation on both sides," said Lexie Filpo, who said she was one of the bikers. "I knew that car seemed reckless from the beginning. From when he first jumped on the highway. When things happened people were telling him to stop, to slow down, and he never did."

I wonder if this person was aware of the video someone in his "group" posted of these idiots swerving/speeding in and out of oncoming traffic...

It makes it pretty hard to believe these guys were sticklers for traffic safety

polaris_x

Cliffy6745 wrote:

I get this, and I agree with this but this situation is a bit different. A man with a wife and child in the car is likely fucked with, forced to stop, surrounded and approached by possibly a few hundred people. That is about as threatening as it gets to me. Not sure there are any normal people who would not feel they are in danger in that situation.

also, please factor in that i was pretty much on my own on the peeping tom guy who got put in the hospital thread too ...

brianlux

Godfather. wrote:

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

The motorcycle riding contingency of this forum cannot even find fault with the guy's actions. It's a slam dunk.

We can talk hypotheticals, but what for? In this particular instance, a man exercised his judgement to try and ensure his family and he were safe.

The motorcycle morons flaunted their poor behaviour and in the process of doing so... one of them got hurt. It's too bad that everyone out that day didn't slink back into their homes when the morons were flying about with no regard for anyone, but life cannot stop because idiots wish to play idiots.

thisis interesting........I thought there might be more to the "biker gang" story.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/03/us/bikers ... ?hpt=ju_c2


Godfather.

I watched the entire video and read the entire article. No way does this change my opinion- a bunch of thugs playing dangerous games and beating a man for doing what comes naturally: protecting himself and his family. Listen to the whole report. These punks have pulled this kind of shit before.

Bronx Bombers

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) – A motorcycle rider seriously injured when an SUV ran him over after an altercation on the West Side Highway was recently arrested in Massachusetts for driving with a revoked license.

Edwin Mieses Jr., of Lawrence, Mass., was struck on Sunday. He broke both legs and suffered a spine injury that his family said will leave him paralyzed.

According to police and Massachusetts motor vehicle records, Mieses hasn’t had a valid license or permit to drive in the state since 1999. He also never applied for a motorcycle license.

It isn’t clear if he had been licensed in any other state. He was arrested most recently on May 24 in Andover, Mass., and has had dozens of other violations.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/03/ ... nlicensed/

Celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred announced Friday that she will be representing the family of a biker hospitalized during the motorcycle madness in upper Manhattan that ended with a an SUV driver pummeled in front of his family.

Allred — who was sworn into the New York Bar by an Albany judge last week — said she will be gathering with the family of Edwin Mieses for a news conference on Friday afternoon.

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/celeb ... -1.1476093

Figures this piece of shit thug would hire the biggest ambulance chaser around. These two scumbags are perfect for each other.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Bronx Bombers wrote:

NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) – A motorcycle rider seriously injured when an SUV ran him over after an altercation on the West Side Highway was recently arrested in Massachusetts for driving with a revoked license.

Edwin Mieses Jr., of Lawrence, Mass., was struck on Sunday. He broke both legs and suffered a spine injury that his family said will leave him paralyzed.

According to police and Massachusetts motor vehicle records, Mieses hasn’t had a valid license or permit to drive in the state since 1999. He also never applied for a motorcycle license.

It isn’t clear if he had been licensed in any other state. He was arrested most recently on May 24 in Andover, Mass., and has had dozens of other violations.

http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/03/ ... nlicensed/

Celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred announced Friday that she will be representing the family of a biker hospitalized during the motorcycle madness in upper Manhattan that ended with a an SUV driver pummeled in front of his family.

Allred — who was sworn into the New York Bar by an Albany judge last week — said she will be gathering with the family of Edwin Mieses for a news conference on Friday afternoon.

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/celeb ... -1.1476093

Figures this piece of shit thug would hire the biggest ambulance chaser around. These two scumbags are perfect for each other.

He isn't licensed? He never should have been on the road that day. More evidence that they 'tuff guys' were morons.

Bronx Bombers

According to the Boston Herald, Edwin Mieses doesn't have a license to drive in Massachusetts and was first charged with negligent driving at age 12.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/236079 ... nal-record


The Lawrence motor­cyclist struck and paralyzed as a desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.

Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.

Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/lo ... nal_record

At least this thug is off the road for good.

Thirty Bills Unpaid

Bronx Bombers wrote:

According to the Boston Herald, Edwin Mieses doesn't have a license to drive in Massachusetts and was first charged with negligent driving at age 12.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/236079 ... nal-record


The Lawrence motor­cyclist struck and paralyzed as a desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.

Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.

Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.

http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/lo ... nal_record

At least this thug is off the road for good.

More evidence that the family man's instincts for his family's safety might have been correct. As much as was obvious... some of these guys were 'legitimate' thugs.

And now they are looking for a payout.

hedonist

Thirty Bills Unpaid wrote:

More evidence that the family man's instincts for his family's safety might have been correct. As much as was obvious... some of these guys were 'legitimate' thugs.

And now they are looking for a payout.

And Allred's going to DEFEND him.