How? If people make you stop and surround your car, feeling in danger is a pretty natural feeling.
Punks. The one swore at reporters leaving the courthouse.
Maybe they'll reconsider fucking with someone next time now that one of them is paralyzed.
Bunch of squids.
all i know is if we start allowing people to run over people when they feel they are in danger arbitrarily ... then you've opened up a huge can of worms ... if you get into a road rage incident with some other driver ... is it ok to plow through a bunch of cars because the other guy gets out of his car?
listen - i'm not a fan of these bikers in any way ... but i also know that if i leave them alone - they leave me alone ... i also know that if i didn't do anything wrong - they aren't gonna arbitrarily beat up my family ... what kind of precedent exists where these bikers randomly stop a family on the road and beat them? ...
This wasn't arbitrary- their was a perceived threat that was imposed upon this family. If the guy had just sat in his suv and then was dragged out and pummelled, people would be second guessing him saying, "Why didn't the guy just drive off?" As it stands the way it went... you are second guessing him: so he really couldn't win in this situation which, begging repetition, he never asked for.
Well said.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
I kind of get what you are saying here but if i'm in the same situation i'm plowing through just as the SUV driver did. although i'm not getting off the highway. whatever happened that led to the dbag stopping his bike in front of the SUV still isn't clear, but it still doesn't give the bikers the right to surround the SUV. Surrounding the SUV in itself is a threatening posture. it's horrible that someone got seriously injured but I have a hard time blaming the driver knowing i'd do the same thing in the same situation.
for sure there are many considerations in this matter ... i just think we are setting a bad precedent ... what if the guy was armed? ... would it have been ok for him to shoot every biker he saw?
obviously, this is subjective based on one of the bikers ... but they claim that there was no act of aggression to the driver at all after the initial contact ... they wanted to know what happened ... it wasn't until he decided to driver over someone did it become so ...
yeah - i get it ... most people have no sympathy for these bikers who were acting in a punk behaviour ... my point is simply that once we allow for lives to be taken at the slightest perception of a threat ... we are opening ourselves to a horrible precedent much like what the stand your ground law is all about ...
A reasonable force standard needs to be applied. Shooting every biker is not a reasonable force to use in order to remove the (perceived or otherwise) threat to his family. Moving his car out of the blockade that was contributing directly to the threat of his family -- that's a reasonable response. The SUV driver is not the one who decided to use sportbikes and human bodies to create the blockade.
As I said earlier, while driving on US 50, I was once surrounded and harassed by a large gang of bikers. It was totally freaking scary as hell. I can totally understand the impulse to bolt. The vast majority of us in the same situation would have a hard time keeping a clear head in this situation. They guy taking off in the SUV is totally understandable. These punks deserve every bit of bad karma coming their way.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
I kind of get what you are saying here but if i'm in the same situation i'm plowing through just as the SUV driver did. although i'm not getting off the highway. whatever happened that led to the dbag stopping his bike in front of the SUV still isn't clear, but it still doesn't give the bikers the right to surround the SUV. Surrounding the SUV in itself is a threatening posture. it's horrible that someone got seriously injured but I have a hard time blaming the driver knowing i'd do the same thing in the same situation.
for sure there are many considerations in this matter ... i just think we are setting a bad precedent ... what if the guy was armed? ... would it have been ok for him to shoot every biker he saw?
Px....how is monsanto and suv/bikers related?
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
haha ... monsanto puts so much artificial shit in our food that it has rendered our general populace morons ... actually ... similar to studies on steroids ... there are studies on certain foods affecting mood swings and decision making ...
haha ... monsanto puts so much artificial shit in our food that it has rendered our general populace morons ... actually ... similar to studies on steroids ... there are studies on certain foods affecting mood swings and decision making ...
This, I believe.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
obviously, this is subjective based on one of the bikers ... but they claim that there was no act of aggression to the driver at all after the initial contact ... they wanted to know what happened ... it wasn't until he decided to driver over someone did it become so ...
yeah - i get it ... most people have no sympathy for these bikers who were acting in a punk behaviour ... my point is simply that once we allow for lives to be taken at the slightest perception of a threat ... we are opening ourselves to a horrible precedent much like what the stand your ground law is all about ...
I've been following this thread and while I despise that biker mentality and think most of them were punk assholes, I get what you're saying polaris. I dont think we can see enough of how threatened the SUV driver was to plow through a crowd (some of which might have just stopped because the crowd stopped - might have been innocent?) Maybe they deserved it, I dont know, but im not judging it from that video.
How? If people make you stop and surround your car, feeling in danger is a pretty natural feeling.
Punks. The one swore at reporters leaving the courthouse.
Maybe they'll reconsider fucking with someone next time now that one of them is paralyzed.
Bunch of squids.
all i know is if we start allowing people to run over people when they feel they are in danger arbitrarily ... then you've opened up a huge can of worms ... if you get into a road rage incident with some other driver ... is it ok to plow through a bunch of cars because the other guy gets out of his car?
listen - i'm not a fan of these bikers in any way ... but i also know that if i leave them alone - they leave me alone ... i also know that if i didn't do anything wrong - they aren't gonna arbitrarily beat up my family ... what kind of precedent exists where these bikers randomly stop a family on the road and beat them? ...
I get this, and I agree with this but this situation is a bit different. A man with a wife and child in the car is likely fucked with, forced to stop, surrounded and approached by possibly a few hundred people. That is about as threatening as it gets to me. Not sure there are any normal people who would not feel they are in danger in that situation.
haha ... monsanto puts so much artificial shit in our food that it has rendered our general populace morons ... actually ... similar to studies on steroids ... there are studies on certain foods affecting mood swings and decision making ...
You are good...expect a call from fda, to replace the current director.
Oops...on topic...reverse would have been a good option, once stopped.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
The motorcycle riding contingency of this forum cannot even find fault with the guy's actions. It's a slam dunk.
We can talk hypotheticals, but what for? In this particular instance, a man exercised his judgement to try and ensure his family and he were safe.
The motorcycle morons flaunted their poor behaviour and in the process of doing so... one of them got hurt. It's too bad that everyone out that day didn't slink back into their homes when the morons were flying about with no regard for anyone, but life cannot stop because idiots wish to play idiots.
The motorcycle riding contingency of this forum cannot even find fault with the guy's actions. It's a slam dunk.
We can talk hypotheticals, but what for? In this particular instance, a man exercised his judgement to try and ensure his family and he were safe.
The motorcycle morons flaunted their poor behaviour and in the process of doing so... one of them got hurt. It's too bad that everyone out that day didn't slink back into their homes when the morons were flying about with no regard for anyone, but life cannot stop because idiots wish to play idiots.
They gathered Wednesday night outside the Manhattan hospital where one of the bikers, Edwin Mieses, lies comatose. He was run over by the SUV as the driver tried to escape.
"It is an unfortunate situation on both sides," said Lexie Filpo, who said she was one of the bikers. "I knew that car seemed reckless from the beginning. From when he first jumped on the highway. When things happened people were telling him to stop, to slow down, and he never did."
I wonder if this person was aware of the video someone in his "group" posted of these idiots swerving/speeding in and out of oncoming traffic...
It makes it pretty hard to believe these guys were sticklers for traffic safety
I get this, and I agree with this but this situation is a bit different. A man with a wife and child in the car is likely fucked with, forced to stop, surrounded and approached by possibly a few hundred people. That is about as threatening as it gets to me. Not sure there are any normal people who would not feel they are in danger in that situation.
also, please factor in that i was pretty much on my own on the peeping tom guy who got put in the hospital thread too ...
The motorcycle riding contingency of this forum cannot even find fault with the guy's actions. It's a slam dunk.
We can talk hypotheticals, but what for? In this particular instance, a man exercised his judgement to try and ensure his family and he were safe.
The motorcycle morons flaunted their poor behaviour and in the process of doing so... one of them got hurt. It's too bad that everyone out that day didn't slink back into their homes when the morons were flying about with no regard for anyone, but life cannot stop because idiots wish to play idiots.
I watched the entire video and read the entire article. No way does this change my opinion- a bunch of thugs playing dangerous games and beating a man for doing what comes naturally: protecting himself and his family. Listen to the whole report. These punks have pulled this kind of shit before.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) – A motorcycle rider seriously injured when an SUV ran him over after an altercation on the West Side Highway was recently arrested in Massachusetts for driving with a revoked license.
Edwin Mieses Jr., of Lawrence, Mass., was struck on Sunday. He broke both legs and suffered a spine injury that his family said will leave him paralyzed.
According to police and Massachusetts motor vehicle records, Mieses hasn’t had a valid license or permit to drive in the state since 1999. He also never applied for a motorcycle license.
It isn’t clear if he had been licensed in any other state. He was arrested most recently on May 24 in Andover, Mass., and has had dozens of other violations.
Celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred announced Friday that she will be representing the family of a biker hospitalized during the motorcycle madness in upper Manhattan that ended with a an SUV driver pummeled in front of his family.
Allred — who was sworn into the New York Bar by an Albany judge last week — said she will be gathering with the family of Edwin Mieses for a news conference on Friday afternoon.
NEW YORK (CBSNewYork/AP) – A motorcycle rider seriously injured when an SUV ran him over after an altercation on the West Side Highway was recently arrested in Massachusetts for driving with a revoked license.
Edwin Mieses Jr., of Lawrence, Mass., was struck on Sunday. He broke both legs and suffered a spine injury that his family said will leave him paralyzed.
According to police and Massachusetts motor vehicle records, Mieses hasn’t had a valid license or permit to drive in the state since 1999. He also never applied for a motorcycle license.
It isn’t clear if he had been licensed in any other state. He was arrested most recently on May 24 in Andover, Mass., and has had dozens of other violations.
Celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred announced Friday that she will be representing the family of a biker hospitalized during the motorcycle madness in upper Manhattan that ended with a an SUV driver pummeled in front of his family.
Allred — who was sworn into the New York Bar by an Albany judge last week — said she will be gathering with the family of Edwin Mieses for a news conference on Friday afternoon.
The Lawrence motorcyclist struck and paralyzed as a desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.
Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.
Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.
The Lawrence motorcyclist struck and paralyzed as a desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.
Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.
Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.
More evidence that the family man's instincts for his family's safety might have been correct. As much as was obvious... some of these guys were 'legitimate' thugs.
More evidence that the family man's instincts for his family's safety might have been correct. As much as was obvious... some of these guys were 'legitimate' thugs.
More evidence that the family man's instincts for his family's safety might have been correct. As much as was obvious... some of these guys were 'legitimate' thugs.
And now they are looking for a payout.
Yep and today we will gets press conference with his scumbag lawyer claiming he's a innocent victim hopefully some reporters will bring this up love to see how she spins that.
i saw a lawyer for a motorcyclist speaking yesterday about his innocent client. this bullshit attorney needs slapped like frig right across his mug. he is a bullshit artist & a fucking asshole
I get this, and I agree with this but this situation is a bit different. A man with a wife and child in the car is likely fucked with, forced to stop, surrounded and approached by possibly a few hundred people. That is about as threatening as it gets to me. Not sure there are any normal people who would not feel they are in danger in that situation.
also, please factor in that i was pretty much on my own on the peeping tom guy who got put in the hospital thread too ...
Px...thanks for reminding me.
How does monsanto and the pedophile thing relate?
This should be good.
Oops...on topic...when they lose the suit, they should have to pay for what damages they are trying to collect.
That would begin a cleansing.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
Undercover police officers may have been riding with the pack of bikers that beat up 33-year-old Alexian Lien, the SUV driver who struck a motorcyclist on the West Side Highway Sunday.
According to multiple reports, at least one undercover cop stood by during the attack as bikers caught up to the Range Rover miles later and pulled Lien from the vehicle. The officer allegedly did not intervene when the bikers began beating the driver in order to maintain his cover.
Sources told The New York Post that the undercover officer did not come forward until Wednesday night. He reportedly turned in his gun and badge Friday and has been placed on modified duty.
However, there may have been others who witnessed the assault. As WABC-TV reports, there were five off-duty NYPD officers among the group of bikers who were taking part in the rally and at least two detectives were on the scene when the bikers caught up to Lien's vehicle.
Internal Affairs is currently investigating whether there were other undercover or off-duty officers riding in the rally.
The cop who came forward was reportedly a motorcycle hobbyist who rides with Front Line Soldiers, a club based in New Rochelle. Though the undercover officer was apparently not investigating the group, he nonetheless did not want to reveal his identity.
According to The Daily News, the officer left the scene of the attack after he knew police were on the way and passersby were assisting Lien.
One of the bikers, Christopher Cruz, who was involved in the initial collision that led to the assault, was arrested earlier this week. He was was charged with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, endangering the welfare of a child, and menacing.
Days later, on Friday, two others involved in the attack turned themselves in to authorities. Brooklyn resident Robert Sims, 35, who is seen in footage filmed at the scene, faces several charges including gang assault and criminal possession of a weapon. Another biker, 38-year-old Reginald Chance, also surrendered and was questioned by police Friday night.
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just seems odd to me calling these idiots bikers..I know a lot of bikers and non of them do stupid shit like these guy's did and then there's the dork who filmed the whole thing and then posted it on youtube ? :fp:
just seems odd to me calling these idiots bikers..I know a lot of bikers and non of them do stupid shit like these guy's did and then there's the dork who filmed the whole thing and then posted it on youtube ? :fp:
Godfather.
I think it's clear that this particular group of bikers are idiots.
just seems odd to me calling these idiots bikers..I know a lot of bikers and non of them do stupid shit like these guy's did and then there's the dork who filmed the whole thing and then posted it on youtube ? :fp:
Godfather.
I think it's clear that this particular group of bikers are idiots.
Not only are they idiots, they are selfish a-holes who think nothing of shutting down a highway for no other reason but to disrupt city traffic. That in and of itself is a public safety hazard. Imagine if there was a major emergency and fire trucks / ambulances couldn't get through because of these pricks? It's too bad the SUV driver only took out one of them, he would have been helping out the rest of society if he had taken out a few more.
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Well said.
for sure there are many considerations in this matter ... i just think we are setting a bad precedent ... what if the guy was armed? ... would it have been ok for him to shoot every biker he saw?
obviously, this is subjective based on one of the bikers ... but they claim that there was no act of aggression to the driver at all after the initial contact ... they wanted to know what happened ... it wasn't until he decided to driver over someone did it become so ...
yeah - i get it ... most people have no sympathy for these bikers who were acting in a punk behaviour ... my point is simply that once we allow for lives to be taken at the slightest perception of a threat ... we are opening ourselves to a horrible precedent much like what the stand your ground law is all about ...
Px....how is monsanto and suv/bikers related?
haha ... monsanto puts so much artificial shit in our food that it has rendered our general populace morons ... actually ... similar to studies on steroids ... there are studies on certain foods affecting mood swings and decision making ...
This, I believe.
I've been following this thread and while I despise that biker mentality and think most of them were punk assholes, I get what you're saying polaris. I dont think we can see enough of how threatened the SUV driver was to plow through a crowd (some of which might have just stopped because the crowd stopped - might have been innocent?) Maybe they deserved it, I dont know, but im not judging it from that video.
I get this, and I agree with this but this situation is a bit different. A man with a wife and child in the car is likely fucked with, forced to stop, surrounded and approached by possibly a few hundred people. That is about as threatening as it gets to me. Not sure there are any normal people who would not feel they are in danger in that situation.
You are good...expect a call from fda, to replace the current director.
Oops...on topic...reverse would have been a good option, once stopped.
thisis interesting........I thought there might be more to the "biker gang" story.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/03/us/bikers ... ?hpt=ju_c2
Godfather.
I wonder if this person was aware of the video someone in his "group" posted of these idiots swerving/speeding in and out of oncoming traffic...
It makes it pretty hard to believe these guys were sticklers for traffic safety
also, please factor in that i was pretty much on my own on the peeping tom guy who got put in the hospital thread too ...
I watched the entire video and read the entire article. No way does this change my opinion- a bunch of thugs playing dangerous games and beating a man for doing what comes naturally: protecting himself and his family. Listen to the whole report. These punks have pulled this kind of shit before.
Edwin Mieses Jr., of Lawrence, Mass., was struck on Sunday. He broke both legs and suffered a spine injury that his family said will leave him paralyzed.
According to police and Massachusetts motor vehicle records, Mieses hasn’t had a valid license or permit to drive in the state since 1999. He also never applied for a motorcycle license.
It isn’t clear if he had been licensed in any other state. He was arrested most recently on May 24 in Andover, Mass., and has had dozens of other violations.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2013/10/03/ ... nlicensed/
Celebrity lawyer Gloria Allred announced Friday that she will be representing the family of a biker hospitalized during the motorcycle madness in upper Manhattan that ended with a an SUV driver pummeled in front of his family.
Allred — who was sworn into the New York Bar by an Albany judge last week — said she will be gathering with the family of Edwin Mieses for a news conference on Friday afternoon.
http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/celeb ... -1.1476093
Figures this piece of shit thug would hire the biggest ambulance chaser around. These two scumbags are perfect for each other.
He isn't licensed? He never should have been on the road that day. More evidence that they 'tuff guys' were morons.
http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/236079 ... nal-record
The Lawrence motorcyclist struck and paralyzed as a desperate SUV driver tried to escape the rage of other bikers in New York on Sunday has a six-page criminal record that began at age 12 with a negligent driving charge and includes jail time for drugs, guns, resisting arrest and other convictions, according to court records.
Edwin Mieses, 32, never got a driver’s license in the Bay State, the Registry of Motor Vehicles said, but he was frequently nabbed behind the wheel, and even sentenced to jail for driving without a license, court records show. Mieses has a pending case out of Lawrence District Court for driving suspended, subsequent offense, said Carrie Kimball Monihan, spokeswoman for the Essex County District Attorney’s Office. Mieses also has 15 guilty findings for criminal offenses including distribution of cocaine, possession of a firearm without a permit, knowingly receiving stolen property, resisting arrest and several motor vehicle violations, court records show.
Mieses was sentenced to jail in 2004 for distribution of cocaine, in 2001 for operating without a license, in 2000 for possession of a firearm, and in 1999 for possession of marijuana, receiving stolen property, destruction of property and attaching plates, according to court records.
http://bostonherald.com/news_opinion/lo ... nal_record
At least this thug is off the road for good.
More evidence that the family man's instincts for his family's safety might have been correct. As much as was obvious... some of these guys were 'legitimate' thugs.
And now they are looking for a payout.
Yep and today we will gets press conference with his scumbag lawyer claiming he's a innocent victim hopefully some reporters will bring this up love to see how she spins that.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
Px...thanks for reminding me.
How does monsanto and the pedophile thing relate?
This should be good.
Oops...on topic...when they lose the suit, they should have to pay for what damages they are trying to collect.
That would begin a cleansing.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/10/0 ... 49375.html
Undercover police officers may have been riding with the pack of bikers that beat up 33-year-old Alexian Lien, the SUV driver who struck a motorcyclist on the West Side Highway Sunday.
According to multiple reports, at least one undercover cop stood by during the attack as bikers caught up to the Range Rover miles later and pulled Lien from the vehicle. The officer allegedly did not intervene when the bikers began beating the driver in order to maintain his cover.
Sources told The New York Post that the undercover officer did not come forward until Wednesday night. He reportedly turned in his gun and badge Friday and has been placed on modified duty.
However, there may have been others who witnessed the assault. As WABC-TV reports, there were five off-duty NYPD officers among the group of bikers who were taking part in the rally and at least two detectives were on the scene when the bikers caught up to Lien's vehicle.
Internal Affairs is currently investigating whether there were other undercover or off-duty officers riding in the rally.
The cop who came forward was reportedly a motorcycle hobbyist who rides with Front Line Soldiers, a club based in New Rochelle. Though the undercover officer was apparently not investigating the group, he nonetheless did not want to reveal his identity.
According to The Daily News, the officer left the scene of the attack after he knew police were on the way and passersby were assisting Lien.
One of the bikers, Christopher Cruz, who was involved in the initial collision that led to the assault, was arrested earlier this week. He was was charged with reckless endangerment, reckless driving, endangering the welfare of a child, and menacing.
Days later, on Friday, two others involved in the attack turned themselves in to authorities. Brooklyn resident Robert Sims, 35, who is seen in footage filmed at the scene, faces several charges including gang assault and criminal possession of a weapon. Another biker, 38-year-old Reginald Chance, also surrendered and was questioned by police Friday night.
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Godfather.
Not only are they idiots, they are selfish a-holes who think nothing of shutting down a highway for no other reason but to disrupt city traffic. That in and of itself is a public safety hazard. Imagine if there was a major emergency and fire trucks / ambulances couldn't get through because of these pricks? It's too bad the SUV driver only took out one of them, he would have been helping out the rest of society if he had taken out a few more.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/08/us/bikers ... ?hpt=hp_t2
Oh Lord, unsung is going to have a field day with this.
Godfather.