Yikes: "The Air Force had 15 C-27Js stationed at Guard bases and another two at Waco, Texas, at a L-3 Communications plant. Four more are on the books to be built by Alenia Aermacchi in Italy and sent to the U.S. in fiscal year 2013. Those newly built aircraft were scheduled to be sent directly to the boneyard.
The Air Force spent about $1.6 billion to purchase the 21 aircraft. Soon after the first C-27Js arrived in Afghanistan in 2011 to start resupplying deployed Army units, the Air Force said it could no longer afford the luxury of the aircraft."
Crazy!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Yikes: "The Air Force had 15 C-27Js stationed at Guard bases and another two at Waco, Texas, at a L-3 Communications plant. Four more are on the books to be built by Alenia Aermacchi in Italy and sent to the U.S. in fiscal year 2013. Those newly built aircraft were scheduled to be sent directly to the boneyard.
The Air Force spent about $1.6 billion to purchase the 21 aircraft. Soon after the first C-27Js arrived in Afghanistan in 2011 to start resupplying deployed Army units, the Air Force said it could no longer afford the luxury of the aircraft."
Three weeks ago we had enough money to go to war with Syria but now we can't let WWII vets in for a tour of their own memorial.
Three weeks ago there was not a government shutdown. That faux conservatives in and out of congress are somehow surprised that government run buildings and attractions actually shut down during a government shut down tells you all you need to know about the decision makers on that side of the aisle. It is ridiculous that the Vets were initially turned away but this whole episode is ridiculous.
Yikes: "The Air Force had 15 C-27Js stationed at Guard bases and another two at Waco, Texas, at a L-3 Communications plant. Four more are on the books to be built by Alenia Aermacchi in Italy and sent to the U.S. in fiscal year 2013. Those newly built aircraft were scheduled to be sent directly to the boneyard.
The Air Force spent about $1.6 billion to purchase the 21 aircraft. Soon after the first C-27Js arrived in Afghanistan in 2011 to start resupplying deployed Army units, the Air Force said it could no longer afford the luxury of the aircraft."
Crazy!
Infuriating.
Surely there are nonmilitary uses for these? modified for firefighting? As I think we can expect a rise in the severity and/or frequency of these?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Surely there are nonmilitary uses for these? modified for firefighting? As I think we can expect a rise in the severity and/or frequency of these?
Oh man, yeah, good point! That crews fighting the Rim Fire that burned parts of Yosemite could have used them. Or flying medical supplies or seeds and tools to starving nations- something more useful than a bone yard!
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Surely there are nonmilitary uses for these? modified for firefighting? As I think we can expect a rise in the severity and/or frequency of these?
Oh man, yeah, good point! That crews fighting the Rim Fire that burned parts of Yosemite could have used them. Or flying medical supplies or seeds and tools to starving nations- something more useful than a bone yard!
well, thats just a storage park , they'll get wrapped tight to keep sand etc out of critical components and buried or set in place. But still, brand new ? Any number of uses for these.
on THIS issue it would be good to contact your reps and senators.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Surely there are nonmilitary uses for these? modified for firefighting? As I think we can expect a rise in the severity and/or frequency of these?
Oh man, yeah, good point! That crews fighting the Rim Fire that burned parts of Yosemite could have used them. Or flying medical supplies or seeds and tools to starving nations- something more useful than a bone yard!
well, thats just a storage park , they'll get wrapped tight to keep sand etc out of critical components and buried or set in place. But still, brand new ? Any number of uses for these.
on THIS issue it would be good to contact your reps and senators.
Oh good! I thought they were going to scrap them. I was going to bid $25.00 on one as a lawn ornament but...
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
Three weeks ago we had enough money to go to war with Syria but now we can't let WWII vets in for a tour of their own memorial.
I'm really sick of conservatives exploiting war vets as heart-stringy emotional weapons.
So what if they can't go see a monument or a rock. Big fucking deal.
There are children not getting cancer care, there are shipments of meat not being inspected that could kill people who eat it and it's not going to be long before eColi gets into the water and we all die.
Your entire life savings is about to become worthless and so is your house.
But MAN... we're all a twitter than disabled vets can't go to monuments and look at monuments.
Surely there are nonmilitary uses for these? modified for firefighting? As I think we can expect a rise in the severity and/or frequency of these?
no, they're not that kind of plane. They can't carry that kind of load or fly that close to the ground. Planes for firefighting have to be a totally different kind of craft.
As Twitchy reported yesterday, the administration had no problems trying to lock World War II veterans out of Washington’s war memorials last week, but the red carpet was rolled out on the National Mall today for a previously scheduled immigration reform rally. The Park Service determined that the ”Camino Americano: March for Immigrant Dignity and Respect,” sponsored in part by the SEIU and AFL-CIO, was covered under the First Amendment. WTF
Despite the shutdown, there were plenty of Capitol police on hand to greet hundreds of protesters.
members of Congress arrested, Lewis, Ellison, Grivjalva, Crowley, Green, Gutierrez, Schakowsky, Rangel
Just like the IRS targeting people this Administration disagrees with ...Obama America,s first Dictator!
Plenty of money for illegal activity.....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
Most things starting with that phrase are usually either misleading, made up or just plain lies.
the administration had no problems trying to lock World War II veterans out of Washington’s war memorials last week, but the red carpet was rolled out on the National Mall today for a previously scheduled immigration reform rally.
Um... "rolled out the red carpet?"
They arrested anyone who showed up because the national mall was closed.
Do you know what "rolled out the red carpet" means?
And when you fell and hurt yourself would you sue the government? Many would, hence the closures.
BTW, what's to stop people from a lawsuit even with the parks open? Answer: Nothing. In fact the government created additional hazards that would cause injury when they installed the barricades and removed park rangers.
Too many people beg for big government to solve their problems. It is long overdue that all property get turned over to the states. Aside from DC the General government should not be in the property owning business.
I'm really sick of conservatives exploiting war vets as heart-stringy emotional weapons.
Your entire life savings is about to become worthless and so is your house.
But MAN... we're all a twitter than disabled vets can't go to monuments and look at monuments.
A: I'm not a conservative.
B: I've been on here for years saying that inflation and the federal reserve are stealing people's savings and only a few even discuss it.
True. Unsung started a thread on the debt ceiling crisis in January. A thread on Miss America eclipsed total responses in a mere 4 day just a few months ago.
Most things starting with that phrase are usually either misleading, made up or just plain lies.
the administration had no problems trying to lock World War II veterans out of Washington’s war memorials last week, but the red carpet was rolled out on the National Mall today for a previously scheduled immigration reform rally.
Um... "rolled out the red carpet?"
They arrested anyone who showed up because the national mall was closed.
Do you know what "rolled out the red carpet" means?
The lawmakers, all Democrats, were detained by the Capitol Police after they stood silently in a line in the middle of a street that borders the Capitol lawn, blocking traffic. As the police handcuffed them behind their backs and led them away, a crowd pressed in, chanting, “Let them go!”
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
And when you fell and hurt yourself would you sue the government? Many would, hence the closures.
BTW, what's to stop people from a lawsuit even with the parks open? Answer: Nothing. In fact the government created additional hazards that would cause injury when they installed the barricades and removed park rangers.
Too many people beg for big government to solve their problems. It is long overdue that all property get turned over to the states. Aside from DC the General government should not be in the property owning business.
I don't imagine a lawsuit that begins "The park was closed but we went in anyway" will get very far.
If you want to argue that national parks should be turned over to the states, fine. But your assertion that there was no legitimate reason for government property to be shut down during a government shut down remains incorrect.
Well it's not government property at all, the taxpayers own it. The government is only supposed to manage it and I'd prefer the state govt manage property in their state.
Well it's not government property at all, the taxpayers own it. The government is only supposed to manage it and I'd prefer the state govt manage property in their state.
Great, we agree. Taxpayer owned property is managed by the government. If you want to turn that property over to state governments like that in Illinois, also great. But that does not change the status quo today.
The federal government shuts down --> properties managed by the federal government shut down = legitimate reason
And when you fell and hurt yourself would you sue the government? Many would, hence the closures.
BTW, what's to stop people from a lawsuit even with the parks open? Answer: Nothing. In fact the government created additional hazards that would cause injury when they installed the barricades and removed park rangers.
Too many people beg for big government to solve their problems. It is long overdue that all property get turned over to the states. Aside from DC the General government should not be in the property owning business.
I don't imagine a lawsuit that begins "The park was closed but we went in anyway" will get very far.
If you want to argue that national parks should be turned over to the states, fine. But your assertion that there was no legitimate reason for government property to be shut down during a government shut down remains incorrect.
That would make for interesting discussion, Jimmy, but I hope that never happens. Our national parks are, for the most part, our finest. My bias might be as a Californian who has seen far more state parks closed or mis-managed than our national parks. Having the national parks closed right now is a bummer but most likely temporary. But here in California, many on our state parks have been closed for years and more are closed each year (and foolishly so because the cost of running the parks is less than the revenue brought in to the communities around them when they are open.) To my way of thinking, our National Parks are one of the best things going in terms of management at a federal level not to mention that they are our most beautiful and/or symbolic places in terms of who and what we are as a nation.
“The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
That would make for interesting discussion, Jimmy, but I hope that never happens. Our national parks are, for the most part, our finest. My bias might be as a Californian who has seen far more state parks closed or mis-managed than our national parks. Having the national parks closed right now is a bummer but most likely temporary. But here in California, many on our state parks have been closed for years and more are closed each year (and foolishly so because the cost of running the parks is less than the revenue brought in to the communities around them when they are open.) To my way of thinking, our National Parks are one of the best things going in terms of management at a federal level not to mention that they are our most beautiful and/or symbolic places in terms of who and what we are as a nation.
Agree 100%. I regret not making the time to visit more of them so far in my life.
Government manages roads too so are they going to shut them down?
OMG THAT IS OBAMA'S SECRET PLAN!
Seriously...what did you think was going to happen during the shut down? Did you really think nothing was going to shut down?
Way to sidestep.
Not my intent. My intent was to poke fun at what you said, not to sidestep it. Is your assertion that the government should have closed the roads and left the WWII memorial open? Because we both know that is ridiculous. If you make a ridiculous assertion you should expect a ridiculous response.
Since we aren't sidestepping, care to answer my question? What did you think was going to happen during a government shutdown?
Well this is nowhere near a government shutdown so let's be clear there. This is a joke.
I had hoped that Washington would have turned into a ghost town and the lobbyists had gone back to their cubbyholes in hell but we weren't so lucky. Instead we have a President that picks and chooses what to close and keep open, and he does so with a dramatic flair. "Oh look, without government we can't have amber alerts or parks, see how much you need us?"
BS.
I see very little difference between a Dem or a member of the GOP, BOTH have driven us to this point, BOTH are guilty, BOTH are useless. Their policies of reckless spending and out of control quantitative easing are destroying this country. It isn't Obama himself (I never have favored impeachment because it wouldn't change anything) it is ALL of them minus less than twenty or so. But it is the Executive branch that has been deciding what stays open or closed.
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http://www.businessinsider.com/newly-built-aircraft-set-to-go-straight-to-desert-boneyard-2013-10
no wonder we are at the debt ceiling once again.
Yikes: "The Air Force had 15 C-27Js stationed at Guard bases and another two at Waco, Texas, at a L-3 Communications plant. Four more are on the books to be built by Alenia Aermacchi in Italy and sent to the U.S. in fiscal year 2013. Those newly built aircraft were scheduled to be sent directly to the boneyard.
The Air Force spent about $1.6 billion to purchase the 21 aircraft. Soon after the first C-27Js arrived in Afghanistan in 2011 to start resupplying deployed Army units, the Air Force said it could no longer afford the luxury of the aircraft."
Crazy!
Infuriating.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Three weeks ago there was not a government shutdown. That faux conservatives in and out of congress are somehow surprised that government run buildings and attractions actually shut down during a government shut down tells you all you need to know about the decision makers on that side of the aisle. It is ridiculous that the Vets were initially turned away but this whole episode is ridiculous.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Oh man, yeah, good point! That crews fighting the Rim Fire that burned parts of Yosemite could have used them. Or flying medical supplies or seeds and tools to starving nations- something more useful than a bone yard!
on THIS issue it would be good to contact your reps and senators.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Oh good! I thought they were going to scrap them. I was going to bid $25.00 on one as a lawn ornament but...
I'm really sick of conservatives exploiting war vets as heart-stringy emotional weapons.
So what if they can't go see a monument or a rock. Big fucking deal.
There are children not getting cancer care, there are shipments of meat not being inspected that could kill people who eat it and it's not going to be long before eColi gets into the water and we all die.
Your entire life savings is about to become worthless and so is your house.
But MAN... we're all a twitter than disabled vets can't go to monuments and look at monuments.
no, they're not that kind of plane. They can't carry that kind of load or fly that close to the ground. Planes for firefighting have to be a totally different kind of craft.
Despite the shutdown, there were plenty of Capitol police on hand to greet hundreds of protesters.
members of Congress arrested, Lewis, Ellison, Grivjalva, Crowley, Green, Gutierrez, Schakowsky, Rangel
Just like the IRS targeting people this Administration disagrees with ...Obama America,s first Dictator!
Plenty of money for illegal activity.....
http://twitchy.com/2013/10/08/several-democratic-reps-arrested-at-immigration-rally-on-closed-national-mall/
Most things starting with that phrase are usually either misleading, made up or just plain lies.
Um... "rolled out the red carpet?"
They arrested anyone who showed up because the national mall was closed.
Do you know what "rolled out the red carpet" means?
Ok... I'm totally confused... if Obama is a "dictator," then why were people who AGREE with him arrested for attending a protest?
And why, if he's a dictator, were police there to "greet" them? I mean... you're not really thinking this one through, I don't think.
A: I'm not a conservative.
B: I've been on here for years saying that inflation and the federal reserve are stealing people's savings and only a few even discuss it.
BTW, what's to stop people from a lawsuit even with the parks open? Answer: Nothing. In fact the government created additional hazards that would cause injury when they installed the barricades and removed park rangers.
Too many people beg for big government to solve their problems. It is long overdue that all property get turned over to the states. Aside from DC the General government should not be in the property owning business.
The lawmakers, all Democrats, were detained by the Capitol Police after they stood silently in a line in the middle of a street that borders the Capitol lawn, blocking traffic. As the police handcuffed them behind their backs and led them away, a crowd pressed in, chanting, “Let them go!”
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/09/us/8-lawmakers-arrested-at-immigration-protest.html
I don't imagine a lawsuit that begins "The park was closed but we went in anyway" will get very far.
If you want to argue that national parks should be turned over to the states, fine. But your assertion that there was no legitimate reason for government property to be shut down during a government shut down remains incorrect.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Great, we agree. Taxpayer owned property is managed by the government. If you want to turn that property over to state governments like that in Illinois, also great. But that does not change the status quo today.
The federal government shuts down --> properties managed by the federal government shut down = legitimate reason
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
OMG THAT IS OBAMA'S SECRET PLAN!
Seriously...what did you think was going to happen during the shut down? Did you really think nothing was going to shut down?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
That would make for interesting discussion, Jimmy, but I hope that never happens. Our national parks are, for the most part, our finest. My bias might be as a Californian who has seen far more state parks closed or mis-managed than our national parks. Having the national parks closed right now is a bummer but most likely temporary. But here in California, many on our state parks have been closed for years and more are closed each year (and foolishly so because the cost of running the parks is less than the revenue brought in to the communities around them when they are open.) To my way of thinking, our National Parks are one of the best things going in terms of management at a federal level not to mention that they are our most beautiful and/or symbolic places in terms of who and what we are as a nation.
Agree 100%. I regret not making the time to visit more of them so far in my life.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Way to sidestep.
Not my intent. My intent was to poke fun at what you said, not to sidestep it. Is your assertion that the government should have closed the roads and left the WWII memorial open? Because we both know that is ridiculous. If you make a ridiculous assertion you should expect a ridiculous response.
Since we aren't sidestepping, care to answer my question? What did you think was going to happen during a government shutdown?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
I had hoped that Washington would have turned into a ghost town and the lobbyists had gone back to their cubbyholes in hell but we weren't so lucky. Instead we have a President that picks and chooses what to close and keep open, and he does so with a dramatic flair. "Oh look, without government we can't have amber alerts or parks, see how much you need us?"
BS.
I see very little difference between a Dem or a member of the GOP, BOTH have driven us to this point, BOTH are guilty, BOTH are useless. Their policies of reckless spending and out of control quantitative easing are destroying this country. It isn't Obama himself (I never have favored impeachment because it wouldn't change anything) it is ALL of them minus less than twenty or so. But it is the Executive branch that has been deciding what stays open or closed.