"Parks and Museums Shutdown....now what?"

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    Love it ... busloads of WWII vets aren't gonna let a Parks & Museums Shutdown to stop them from seeing the WWII memorial.

    The rest of us should be taking some notes on how to deal with a dysfunctional group of leaders ... especially those that have planned vacations.

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    http://www.businessinsider.com/amid-shutdown-wwii-vets-enter-memorial-in-dc-2013-10
    Larry David in the photo?

    Honestly though, I just love this story (and this thread).

    My dad could've been any one of those people.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    hedonist wrote:

    My dad could've been any one of those people.
    Awesome!

    If your pops is still around, tell him a fellow jammer ... or quite possibly a rouge A.I. program that has a keen CPU for awesome rock music ... is very grateful for the sacrifices he made for the world. :)
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    hedonist wrote:

    My dad could've been any one of those people.
    Awesome!

    If your pops is still around, tell him a fellow jammer ... or quite possibly a rouge A.I. program that has a keen CPU for awesome rock music ... is very grateful for the sacrifices he made for the world. :)
    He's not around anymore but oh did you make his daughter smile. Thank you :)
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    hedonist wrote:
    Jason P wrote:
    hedonist wrote:

    My dad could've been any one of those people.
    Awesome!

    If your pops is still around, tell him a fellow jammer ... or quite possibly a rouge A.I. program that has a keen CPU for awesome rock music ... is very grateful for the sacrifices he made for the world. :)
    He's not around anymore but oh did you make his daughter smile. Thank you :)
    1000110001
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    Ahh ... those zeros and ones were just a mistype, I swear! I'm really 100110 ... A human :? :oops:

    May he rest in peace. He was a true citizen soldier and defender of what is good. I can't imagine being a teenager at that point in our past and being asked to take part in such a life defining part of history.

    Godspeed

    :)
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Jason P wrote:
    Love it ... busloads of WWII vets aren't gonna let a Parks & Museums Shutdown to stop them from seeing the WWII memorial.

    The rest of us should be taking some notes on how to deal with a dysfunctional group of leaders ... especially those that have planned vacations.

    BVgJA_xCEAAsCBq.jpg

    http://www.businessinsider.com/amid-shutdown-wwii-vets-enter-memorial-in-dc-2013-10

    My old man served in the Solomans during WWII. He is not the type to defy the system and I very much doubt her would cross this line. If I were him, maybe I would, but he most likely wouldn't (I might ask him if I remember) because he believes he served not just for his country but for the right to have a "government of the people by the people for the people". He's more the type to work to make the system more effective, not to tear it down. I think both methods- resistance and working within the system- work depending one's personal way of being involved- and kudos to both for caring and being involved..
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Good words and thoughts, guys.

    My dad wasn't so much about resistance or even defiance, but - I think - about the simple freedom to live peacefully no matter one's religion or lack thereof.

    (now that I think about it...maybe that IS resistance)

    My god though...he was so young, this newly-christened US citizen, parents still in Germany, weapon in gentle hands heading to Italy, North Africa.

    I have so much respect for those who sacrificed of themselves, in any and all ways.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    hedonist wrote:
    Good words and thoughts, guys.

    My dad wasn't so much about resistance or even defiance, but - I think - about the simple freedom to live peacefully no matter one's religion or lack thereof.

    (now that I think about it...maybe that IS resistance)

    My god though...he was so young, this newly-christened US citizen, parents still in Germany, weapon in gentle hands heading to Italy, North Africa.

    I have so much respect for those who sacrificed of themselves, in any and all ways.
    If you are interested in a good historical interpretation of the theatre of war in North Africa, i would recommend reading An Army at Dawn: The War in North Africa, 1942-1943, Volume One of the Liberation

    Of course, check with Brianlux to see if he has any copies for sale before heading to amazon first :mrgreen:
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Jason P wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Good words and thoughts, guys.

    My dad wasn't so much about resistance or even defiance, but - I think - about the simple freedom to live peacefully no matter one's religion or lack thereof.

    (now that I think about it...maybe that IS resistance)

    My god though...he was so young, this newly-christened US citizen, parents still in Germany, weapon in gentle hands heading to Italy, North Africa.

    I have so much respect for those who sacrificed of themselves, in any and all ways.
    If you are interested in a good historical interpretation of the theatre of war in North Africa, i would recommend reading An Army at Dawn: The War in North Africa, 1942-1943, Volume One of the Liberation

    Of course, check with Brianlux to see if he has any copies for sale before heading to amazon first :mrgreen:

    :lol: Good show, Jason P.! Thank you. I don't have that one but will watch for it.

    Because my father was in the Pacific I've read some good books about that arena. Hampton Sides' Ghost Soldiers is excellent and James Bradley's Flyboys and Flags of Our Fathers are first rate though not for the faint of heart. They really give a clear picture of what kind of hell everyone involved went through. And Bradley is cool with the Japanese people because he talks a lot about how many of the soldiers who were not officers were indoctrinated and victimized by their leaders. Also, a lot of innocent people suffered and died. War is hell.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    91% of the IRS and 94% of the EPA are sitting home because they are deemed non-essential. Then why do we have so many to begin with? There's two good cuts right there.
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,095
    unsung wrote:
    91% of the IRS and 94% of the EPA are sitting home because they are deemed non-essential. Then why do we have so many to begin with? There's two good cuts right there.

    Ideologue joy.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Jason P wrote:
    hedonist wrote:
    Good words and thoughts, guys.

    My dad wasn't so much about resistance or even defiance, but - I think - about the simple freedom to live peacefully no matter one's religion or lack thereof.

    (now that I think about it...maybe that IS resistance)

    My god though...he was so young, this newly-christened US citizen, parents still in Germany, weapon in gentle hands heading to Italy, North Africa.

    I have so much respect for those who sacrificed of themselves, in any and all ways.
    If you are interested in a good historical interpretation of the theatre of war in North Africa, i would recommend reading An Army at Dawn: The War in North Africa, 1942-1943, Volume One of the Liberation

    Of course, check with Brianlux to see if he has any copies for sale before heading to amazon first :mrgreen:
    Thanks! I think he served there in that time before the Battle of Salerno in Sept. '43. So proud of him and all his fellow soldiers :)
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    :lol:

    Someone get Roy Wally on the blower so he can fix this mess.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    Should we trade John Boehner for Jeff Haffley? Would we be any worse off if a character written to be a villain was actually running the House of Representatives?

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... iliar.html
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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    On the bright side of things, the shutdown will prevent the KKK from marching at Gettysburg.

    http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/loc ... 76961.html

    A planned Ku Klux Klan rally at a historic landmark of American history won’t happen due to the federal government shutdown.

    The KKK event at Gettysburg National Military Park was canceled due to the government stalemate.

    Park officials said they rescinded all permits for special events because of the shutdown that began Tuesday.

    The permit had been approved for a Maryland-based KKK group, the Confederate White Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, for a Saturday gathering.
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    "...I changed by not changing at all..."
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    unsung wrote:
    91% of the IRS and 94% of the EPA are sitting home because they are deemed non-essential. Then why do we have so many to begin with? There's two good cuts right there.
    We should at least be looking at any non-essential programs and finding way to make them more efficient or make the cuts. Since our government has a current report card with an "F-" in efficiency, cuts make more sense.

    I propose handing over control of all national parks and museums to the states they reside in, and then have a federal budget that supports 25% of the operating costs. The states are making money off the tourism, so it makes sense that they should be in control of it and pay for it.

    This way, parks and museums would never close as they would have both state and federal funding.
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    The Navy / Air Force football game may be cancelled due to the shutdown.

    I thought only non-essential government programs would be shutdown ... :|
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,051
    Jason P wrote:
    The Navy / Air Force football game may be cancelled due to the shutdown.

    I thought only non-essential government programs would be shutdown ... :|

    :lol:
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.”
    Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.













  • know1know1 Posts: 6,794
    Since the government is now shut down, I'm expecting a refund of my tax money for the money saved on salaries and operating expenses.
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

    Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
  • unsungunsung Posts: 9,487
    I just don't understand how any government thinks that POSTING SIGNS will stop people from doing what they are going to do.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    "This land is your land, this land is my land"...until the government shuts down.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    know1 wrote:
    Since the government is now shut down, I'm expecting a refund of my tax money for the money saved on salaries and operating expenses.
    My father in law worked for a government agency and was "furloughed" the last time the government shut down...interesting thing is that he got payed for that time off once the government opened back up.
  • PJPOWER wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Since the government is now shut down, I'm expecting a refund of my tax money for the money saved on salaries and operating expenses.
    My father in law worked for a government agency and was "furloughed" the last time the government shut down...interesting thing is that he got payed for that time off once the government opened back up.

    They always get paid back.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    PJPOWER wrote:
    know1 wrote:
    Since the government is now shut down, I'm expecting a refund of my tax money for the money saved on salaries and operating expenses.
    My father in law worked for a government agency and was "furloughed" the last time the government shut down...interesting thing is that he got payed for that time off once the government opened back up.

    They always get paid back.
    I'm not sure it is the same for every agency, but it really just seemed like a free vacation.
  • Jason P wrote:
    Love it ... busloads of WWII vets aren't gonna let a Parks & Museums Shutdown to stop them from seeing the WWII memorial.

    The rest of us should be taking some notes on how to deal with a dysfunctional group of leaders ... especially those that have planned vacations.

    BVgJA_xCEAAsCBq.jpg

    http://www.businessinsider.com/amid-shutdown-wwii-vets-enter-memorial-in-dc-2013-10

    So funny. I was wondering how they were shutting the National Mall's Open "exhibits" down. I get that you can't get to the museum UNDER the Lincoln Memorial. But, how can you shut down an open air exhibit like the WWII memorial? And WHY would you? To prove a point? Obviously the gift shops are closed. Because Honest Abe wanted you to buy a terrible copy of his speech that can be found in every text book and on line for your kid who didn't want it in the first place. Damn!!! Where's my gift shop at, Mary Todd?

    Our Government is getting dumber by the day.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,172
    The signs are up and the exhibits closed so that when litigious Americans jump the fences and hurt themselves they have no one but themselves to sue. Just common sense.
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    This should be over soon. I hope all the furloughed government workers have been enjoying their soon to be paid vacations.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Jason P wrote:
    This should be over soon. I hope all the furloughed government workers have been enjoying their soon to be paid vacations.

    Sure they will get back pay, but to attribute this as a "paid vacation" is not fair. These folks have bills that are due NOW, not whenever they get paid back from the shutdown. I work for the government and I travel like crazy and it's all on my own dime until I get reimbursed...4 months later at the earliest.
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