Well, if there are a billion Muslims and even 1 percent are extremist, that's still a lot
True, but to see them all as extremists is ignorant.
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
It's shocking to see the standard of evidence people will base their conclusions on.
It "seems like" there are more Muslim extremists than peaceful ones? Yes i guess if your whole worldview is informed by Fox News and the conservative blogosphere you probably would think that. Anyone with a modicum of world experience or critical thinking ability should be able to work out immediately such a scenario is mathematically absurd.
It's shocking to see the standard of evidence people will base their conclusions on.
It "seems like" there are more Muslim extremists than peaceful ones? Yes i guess if your whole worldview is informed by Fox News and the conservative blogosphere you probably would think that. Anyone with a modicum of world experience or critical thinking ability should be able to work out immediately such a scenario is mathematically absurd.
...and this reasoning must be used, when talking about how guns are bad.
live and let live...unless it violates the pearligious doctrine.
It's shocking to see the standard of evidence people will base their conclusions on.
It "seems like" there are more Muslim extremists than peaceful ones? Yes i guess if your whole worldview is informed by Fox News and the conservative blogosphere you probably would think that. Anyone with a modicum of world experience or critical thinking ability should be able to work out immediately such a scenario is mathematically absurd.
This
~Carter~
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Paint it any way you want- government, religion- but everything boils down to Us and Them.
I don't have time to completely express my thoughts on this matter, but I wonder if it is our natural tendency to seek to belong to groups or if we condition ourselves to seek a sense of belonging?
For example, do kids sport/school pride/clubs/national anthems/churches/etc. teach us the values we think they are teaching... or do they teach kids that one should identify themselves with the group they are associated with- ultimately shaping mentalities that require divisiveness?
I hate when people label Islam as the war religion.
Not all Muslims are pro-blowing shit up. Many are peaceful people.
Let's not forget Catholics (which I am one) wiped out many people in the Crusades. Some White Supremacists are violent and they believe they are doing what they believe is right and right under God (but I believe for most its strictly just a race thing and not religion related). Basically what I am saying non-Islamic people have done some horrible shit and still do.
We cannot just label people. It's wrong.
Yes most terrorists are Muslims but not all Muslims are terrorists.
The ones that are terrorists are EXTREMISTS. People need to understand that.
People do understand that...what they don't understand is why the nonextremist muslims aren't completely up in arms and taking a very active and aggressive role in cleaning up their religion. We are headed towards a holy war and the non extremists will be lumped together with the zealots if they don't do a better job of separating themselves from the terrorists.
Paint it any way you want- government, religion- but everything boils down to Us and Them.
I don't have time to completely express my thoughts on this matter, but I wonder if it is our natural tendency to seek to belong to groups or if we condition ourselves to seek a sense of belonging?
For example, do kids sport/school pride/clubs/national anthems/churches/etc. teach us the values we think they are teaching... or do they teach kids that one should identify themselves with the group they are associated with- ultimately shaping mentalities that require divisiveness?
Paint it any way you want- government, religion- but everything boils down to Us and Them.
I don't have time to completely express my thoughts on this matter, but I wonder if it is our natural tendency to seek to belong to groups or if we condition ourselves to seek a sense of belonging?
For example, do kids sport/school pride/clubs/national anthems/churches/etc. teach us the values we think they are teaching... or do they teach kids that one should identify themselves with the group they are associated with- ultimately shaping mentalities that require divisiveness?
Most of our species prefer herds....
of their own kind to boot...
so what does that say then about the human species?
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
It's shocking to see the standard of evidence people will base their conclusions on.
It "seems like" there are more Muslim extremists than peaceful ones? Yes i guess if your whole worldview is informed by Fox News and the conservative blogosphere you probably would think that. Anyone with a modicum of world experience or critical thinking ability should be able to work out immediately such a scenario is mathematically absurd.
I hate when people label Islam as the war religion.
Not all Muslims are pro-blowing shit up. Many are peaceful people.
Let's not forget Catholics (which I am one) wiped out many people in the Crusades. Some White Supremacists are violent and they believe they are doing what they believe is right and right under God (but I believe for most its strictly just a race thing and not religion related). Basically what I am saying non-Islamic people have done some horrible shit and still do.
We cannot just label people. It's wrong.
Yes most terrorists are Muslims but not all Muslims are terrorists.
The ones that are terrorists are EXTREMISTS. People need to understand that.
People do understand that...what they don't understand is why the nonextremist muslims aren't completely up in arms and taking a very active and aggressive role in cleaning up their religion. We are headed towards a holy war and the non extremists will be lumped together with the zealots if they don't do a better job of separating themselves from the terrorists.
would you do that if you knew that by doing so you are painting a bullseye on your family and friends? most people in the west don't even stand up for what they believe in face to face when it would result in nothing more than a shouting match or a minor scuffle, never mind if it means their heads will be cut off or their neighbours blown to bits.
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St. Paul 2014
It's shocking to see the standard of evidence people will base their conclusions on.
It "seems like" there are more Muslim extremists than peaceful ones? Yes i guess if your whole worldview is informed by Fox News and the conservative blogosphere you probably would think that. Anyone with a modicum of world experience or critical thinking ability should be able to work out immediately such a scenario is mathematically absurd.
This
this is bullshit......
Godfather.
no it's not. you just don't see how many peaceful ones there are because they are just that, peaceful. 99.9% of them are peaceful people. religions are bastardized all over the place and become extremism. you have it in your own country, among, oh my god, WHITE PEOPLE.
do they blow them up? nope. they just torment them and try to take away their rights for their entire lives.
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Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
not what I was refering to, his jabs and fox new comments must be all he has to back up his statement.
and "oh my God WHITE PEOPLE" come on man really...do youthink other religions here in America or Canada are are as extreame with their violence ? and take pride in choping off heads and airing via you tube ? you need to see it for what it really is just like you do when you talk about other topics.
not what I was refering to, his jabs and fox new comments must be all he has to back up his statement.
and "oh my God WHITE PEOPLE" come on man really...do youthink other religions here in America or Canada are are as extreame with their violence ? and take pride in choping off heads and airing via you tube ? you need to see it for what it really is just like you do when you talk about other topics.
Godfather.
No, we, us Americans, just drop bombs from 2 miles up, watch it from the comfort of our home tv. and say those Muslims are evil savages! Please, you have ZERO clue about what's going on in the world and yet you called a lot of us sheep. Now that's funny.....
As for question about infidels and Islam, dude, my favorite band has a lead singer who's an atheist. How the fuck would I go see them play over 77 times if your theory about Islam is right? Wake up GF, the world is all around you, not just on your tv screen.
I think I can say with reasonable confidence that if a violent act was carried out by a member of a large Christian religion (Catholic, Anglican ...etc.), towards another religion or group of people that the leaders of those religions would almost certainly condemn the act publicly. Even though I think Christian religions has a way to go in maturing with society and catching up with the times ... no high profile leaders of western christian churches accept violence as way to solve conflicts.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I think I can say with reasonable confidence that if a violent act was carried out by a member of a large Christian religion (Catholic, Anglican ...etc.), towards another religion or group of people that the leaders of those religions would almost certainly condemn the act publicly. Even though I think Christian religions has a way to go in maturing with society and catching up with the times ... no high profile leaders of western christian churches accept violence as way to solve conflicts.
that's because holy wars of the west are disguised as political ones.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
not what I was refering to, his jabs and fox new comments must be all he has to back up his statement.
and "oh my God WHITE PEOPLE" come on man really...do youthink other religions here in America or Canada are are as extreame with their violence ? and take pride in choping off heads and airing via you tube ? you need to see it for what it really is just like you do when you talk about other topics.
Godfather.
I do see it as it really is. I see the west killing hundreds of thousands of people from the middle east and people like you justify it by the miniscule percentage of those that are actually the "enemy" but that you actually think are the majority. it's laughable.
it's fucking justifiable genocide perpetuated by the US and (sometimes) British governments.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I think I can say with reasonable confidence that if a violent act was carried out by a member of a large Christian religion (Catholic, Anglican ...etc.), towards another religion or group of people that the leaders of those religions would almost certainly condemn the act publicly. Even though I think Christian religions has a way to go in maturing with society and catching up with the times ... no high profile leaders of western christian churches accept violence as way to solve conflicts.
it's also because they have no formal singular leader in those religions. if they do, they are also their political leaders.
Gimli 1993
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
We can say a lot of unkind but not inaccurate things about modern Christianity. Don't think many will disagree with that statement. However, I don't see Christian sects carrying out and gleefully recording beheadings and mass executions in the streets, and then posting those recordings on the internet for all to see. The worst Christian sect that comes to mind is Westboro, a group who I have as much hate for as I do anything in this world. Still, as incredibly distasteful as that group is, they are largely peaceful. I don't think the comparison of muslim extremism to christian extremism is an accurate one.
It's shocking to see the standard of evidence people will base their conclusions on.
It "seems like" there are more Muslim extremists than peaceful ones? Yes i guess if your whole worldview is informed by Fox News and the conservative blogosphere you probably would think that. Anyone with a modicum of world experience or critical thinking ability should be able to work out immediately such a scenario is mathematically absurd.
...and this reasoning must be used, when talking about how guns are bad.
They can't answer that one....
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I think I can say with reasonable confidence that if a violent act was carried out by a member of a large Christian religion (Catholic, Anglican ...etc.), towards another religion or group of people that the leaders of those religions would almost certainly condemn the act publicly. Even though I think Christian religions has a way to go in maturing with society and catching up with the times ... no high profile leaders of western christian churches accept violence as way to solve conflicts.
it's also because they have no formal singular leader in those religions. if they do, they are also their political leaders.
:?
“We the people are the rightful masters of bothCongress and the courts, not to overthrow the Constitution but to overthrow the men who pervert the Constitution.” Abraham Lincoln
I think I can say with reasonable confidence that if a violent act was carried out by a member of a large Christian religion (Catholic, Anglican ...etc.), towards another religion or group of people that the leaders of those religions would almost certainly condemn the act publicly. Even though I think Christian religions has a way to go in maturing with society and catching up with the times ... no high profile leaders of western christian churches accept violence as way to solve conflicts.
that's because holy wars of the west are disguised as political ones.
really!!! however I doubt it...If religions had that much control over government policy then i think many laws here in the west would have been changed. I don't think I'll confuse what a government decide's to do vs. what a church decides to do. Pope Francis may be a very powerful figure but I do believe he'd sincerely condemn any act of violence.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I think I can say with reasonable confidence that if a violent act was carried out by a member of a large Christian religion (Catholic, Anglican ...etc.), towards another religion or group of people that the leaders of those religions would almost certainly condemn the act publicly. Even though I think Christian religions has a way to go in maturing with society and catching up with the times ... no high profile leaders of western christian churches accept violence as way to solve conflicts.
that's because holy wars of the west are disguised as political ones.
really!!! however I doubt it...If religions had that much control over government policy then i think many laws here in the west would have been changed. I don't think I'll confuse what a government decide's to do vs. what a church decides to do. Pope Francis may be a very powerful figure but I do believe he'd sincerely condemn any act of violence.
Plus...aren't all the West's wars allegedly about resources? How can they be holy wars and oil wars all at the same time?
It's shocking to see the standard of evidence people will base their conclusions on.
It "seems like" there are more Muslim extremists than peaceful ones? Yes i guess if your whole worldview is informed by Fox News and the conservative blogosphere you probably would think that. Anyone with a modicum of world experience or critical thinking ability should be able to work out immediately such a scenario is mathematically absurd.
...and this reasoning must be used, when talking about how guns are bad.
They can't answer that one....
Sure we can. The reasoning holds even if the comparison is weak.
Are the majority of muslims fundamentalist extremists? No. Are all muslim fundamentalist extremists dangerous? Yes.
Are all gun owners likely to commit a gun related crime? No. Are all guns dangerous? Yes.
I think I can say with reasonable confidence that if a violent act was carried out by a member of a large Christian religion (Catholic, Anglican ...etc.), towards another religion or group of people that the leaders of those religions would almost certainly condemn the act publicly. Even though I think Christian religions has a way to go in maturing with society and catching up with the times ... no high profile leaders of western christian churches accept violence as way to solve conflicts.
it's also because they have no formal singular leader in those religions. if they do, they are also their political leaders.
As far as religion goes, religion is really fucked up anyways ... but Islam is definitely the most fucked up religion of them all ... imo.
If you don't like your lot in life then its up to you as individual to change it. They take their acts of unhappiness at the west out on innocent civilians because they are pissed at western governments ... really great pr move, since most of us have no control over what our government does once elected ... which goes back to what I've been saying for along time we have this illusion that we live in democracy ... but we don't, elections every 4-5 years does not make a democracy.
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
really!!! however I doubt it...If religions had that much control over government policy then i think many laws here in the west would have been changed. I don't think I'll confuse what a government decide's to do vs. what a church decides to do. Pope Francis may be a very powerful figure but I do believe he'd sincerely condemn any act of violence.
Plus...aren't all the West's wars allegedly about resources? How can they be holy wars and oil wars all at the same time?
thats a good point!!!
I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
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True, but to see them all as extremists is ignorant.
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
It "seems like" there are more Muslim extremists than peaceful ones? Yes i guess if your whole worldview is informed by Fox News and the conservative blogosphere you probably would think that. Anyone with a modicum of world experience or critical thinking ability should be able to work out immediately such a scenario is mathematically absurd.
...and this reasoning must be used, when talking about how guns are bad.
Oh sorry, I thought this was the "Say Something Irrelevant" thread.
This
You can spend your time alone, redigesting past regrets, oh
or you can come to terms and realize
you're the only one who can't forgive yourself, oh
makes much more sense to live in the present tense - Present Tense
Most of our species prefer herds....
People do understand that...what they don't understand is why the nonextremist muslims aren't completely up in arms and taking a very active and aggressive role in cleaning up their religion. We are headed towards a holy war and the non extremists will be lumped together with the zealots if they don't do a better job of separating themselves from the terrorists.
of their own kind to boot...
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
this is bullshit......
Godfather.
Wow, that's a convincing argument. Stretching your reasoning skills to the max again I see.
would you do that if you knew that by doing so you are painting a bullseye on your family and friends? most people in the west don't even stand up for what they believe in face to face when it would result in nothing more than a shouting match or a minor scuffle, never mind if it means their heads will be cut off or their neighbours blown to bits.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
no it's not. you just don't see how many peaceful ones there are because they are just that, peaceful. 99.9% of them are peaceful people. religions are bastardized all over the place and become extremism. you have it in your own country, among, oh my god, WHITE PEOPLE.
do they blow them up? nope. they just torment them and try to take away their rights for their entire lives.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
and "oh my God WHITE PEOPLE" come on man really...do youthink other religions here in America or Canada are are as extreame with their violence ? and take pride in choping off heads and airing via you tube ? you need to see it for what it really is just like you do when you talk about other topics.
Godfather.
No, we, us Americans, just drop bombs from 2 miles up, watch it from the comfort of our home tv. and say those Muslims are evil savages! Please, you have ZERO clue about what's going on in the world and yet you called a lot of us sheep. Now that's funny.....
As for question about infidels and Islam, dude, my favorite band has a lead singer who's an atheist. How the fuck would I go see them play over 77 times if your theory about Islam is right? Wake up GF, the world is all around you, not just on your tv screen.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
that's because holy wars of the west are disguised as political ones.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
I do see it as it really is. I see the west killing hundreds of thousands of people from the middle east and people like you justify it by the miniscule percentage of those that are actually the "enemy" but that you actually think are the majority. it's laughable.
it's fucking justifiable genocide perpetuated by the US and (sometimes) British governments.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
it's also because they have no formal singular leader in those religions. if they do, they are also their political leaders.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
They can't answer that one....
:?
really!!! however I doubt it...If religions had that much control over government policy then i think many laws here in the west would have been changed. I don't think I'll confuse what a government decide's to do vs. what a church decides to do. Pope Francis may be a very powerful figure but I do believe he'd sincerely condemn any act of violence.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
Plus...aren't all the West's wars allegedly about resources? How can they be holy wars and oil wars all at the same time?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Sure we can. The reasoning holds even if the comparison is weak.
Are the majority of muslims fundamentalist extremists? No. Are all muslim fundamentalist extremists dangerous? Yes.
Are all gun owners likely to commit a gun related crime? No. Are all guns dangerous? Yes.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
As far as religion goes, religion is really fucked up anyways ... but Islam is definitely the most fucked up religion of them all ... imo.
If you don't like your lot in life then its up to you as individual to change it. They take their acts of unhappiness at the west out on innocent civilians because they are pissed at western governments ... really great pr move, since most of us have no control over what our government does once elected ... which goes back to what I've been saying for along time we have this illusion that we live in democracy ... but we don't, elections every 4-5 years does not make a democracy.
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
I don't think there's a singular answer, but I personally believe it has as much to do with resources as it does with making easterly people westerly.
Fargo 2003
Winnipeg 2005
Winnipeg 2011
St. Paul 2014
thats a good point!!!
"Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon