so listened to Phish for the first time..

Mamasan Bren

bootlegger10 wrote:

Backspacer_Backer wrote:

I don't like bands that turn a 5 minute song into a 15 minute song. Self indulgent. Just play another song already. Bores me to tears.

I agree. Not a fan of jam bands.

What do you do when Porch, Even Flow, and rearviewmirror go off?

BinFrog

Backspacer_Backer wrote:

I don't like bands that turn a 5 minute song into a 15 minute song. Self indulgent. Just play another song already. Bores me to tears.

If done well it's a thing of beauty. It adds a level of the unknown to a concert and, on some occasions, brings the entire crowd to a place they never thought was possible. That's what Phish does better than any band before or since. Musically they can explore territories like few other rock-based bands can. And when it all clicks, it's a thing of beauty.

BinFrog

BinFrog wrote:

Backspacer_Backer wrote:

I don't like bands that turn a 5 minute song into a 15 minute song. Self indulgent. Just play another song already. Bores me to tears.

If done well it's a thing of beauty. It adds a level of the unknown to a concert and, on some occasions, brings the entire crowd to a place they never thought was possible. That's what Phish does better than any band before or since. Musically they can explore territories like few other rock-based bands can. And when it all clicks, it's a thing of beauty.

Let me also add: I am not a jamband guy. I own 2 grateful dead CDs...both given to me. I've seen various bands live with mixed feelings. But Phish...I get Phish, or should I say Phish gets me.

I have loads of Phish in an online directory. If anyone wants to give them an honest shot, then drop me a PM and I would be glad to hook you up with some of my favorite jams. Long, short, funky, hard, tension/release, spacey...I got all sorts of stuff. Just say the word.

msjpearson

So listened to Phish for the first time...on vinyl. Good lord, Lawn Boy sounds amazing. Hearing new things. Mind = blown.

msjpearson

I also just scored tickets for Rochester through the Phish lottery. Now if you want to complain about Pearl Jam's lottery, try the Phish lottery.

awilkins

Got 4 GAs for Worcester, put in for 4 best available--score! PJ GA Hartford Friday, Phish GA Worcester Saturday! Pumped!

msjpearson

awilkins wrote:

Got 4 GAs for Worcester, put in for 4 best available--score! PJ GA Hartford Friday, Phish GA Worcester Saturday! Pumped!

That is quite a weekend run. Well done, good sir.

PhillyCrownOfThorns

StuffnJunk wrote:

having said that, Pearl Jam wins BIG TIME in the singer/lyrics department!!!

Wo, wo, wo... Stop the clock!

C'mon... You have to give credit to gems like "I look into the finest box just to check my status... I look under the microscop to see Golgi apparatus." There's more...

Fan of both.

Would not say I am qualified to judge a Mccready v Trey battle.

63schoefflin

Shut out again in the lottery making me 0 for the last 2 years since I started following them. ISO pair for AC and Reading if anyone out there wants to be generous :corn:

BinFrog

PhillyCrownOfThorns wrote:

StuffnJunk wrote:

having said that, Pearl Jam wins BIG TIME in the singer/lyrics department!!!

Wo, wo, wo... Stop the clock!

C'mon... You have to give credit to gems like "I look into the finest box just to check my status... I look under the microscop to see Golgi apparatus." There's more...

Fan of both.

Would not say I am qualified to judge a Mccready v Trey battle.

Phish has a lot of campy lyrics, which sort of work with their whole vibe. But they also have some great lyrics.

When I listen to Phish, I'm not looking for a "deep" connection with the lyrics. At least most of the time. It's quite often a form of escapism, and the goofy lyrics help keep the music and jams from getting bogged down.

choop

i hit the lottery for fall tour for the first time since the clinton administration.

BinFrog

choop wrote:

i hit the lottery for fall tour for the first time since the clinton administration.

I have been generally lucky with Phish lotteries over the years. I definitely score more often than not.

This year I am having to, unfortunately, pass on Phish shows. My wife and I had our 2nd child in March, and I have been saving up bonus points for PJ tour. She is cool with me doing 5 PJ shows in October....which means not seeing some great shows: Phish, Rush, NIN, etc.

Sucks, but I'll be back to shows next year. And of course 5 PJ shows is awesome...

msjpearson

Just curious, do phans on the phish boards carry on about the lottery like they do here, or is it generally accepted that its difficult since its open to anyone, not just members?

Ps. Their ticket prices are fantastic and I love how they give you a free download of the show as well.

BinFrog

msjpearson wrote:

Just curious, do phans on the phish boards carry on about the lottery like they do here, or is it generally accepted that its difficult since its open to anyone, not just members?

Ps. Their ticket prices are fantastic and I love how they give you a free download of the show as well.

They never had it as good as us who mastered the art of f5, and there is no seniority, so the complaints are lower.

choop

BinFrog wrote:

msjpearson wrote:

Just curious, do phans on the phish boards carry on about the lottery like they do here, or is it generally accepted that its difficult since its open to anyone, not just members?

Ps. Their ticket prices are fantastic and I love how they give you a free download of the show as well.

They never had it as good as us who mastered the art of f5, and there is no seniority, so the complaints are lower.

pearl jam fans are definitely a whiny bunch. phish fans generally don't complain and just get to work getting tickets. the difference is probably the seniority like mentioned - most phans are content to just be in the building, and not worried about getting a 53rd mccready pick. also, the phish lottery can get you on the lawn in the summer, behind the stage, etc. so they aren't necessarily the best seats like 10C.

i think both bands could learn from each others practices, an awesome system would come from such a hybrid.

choop

BinFrog wrote:

choop wrote:

i hit the lottery for fall tour for the first time since the clinton administration.

I have been generally lucky with Phish lotteries over the years. I definitely score more often than not.

This year I am having to, unfortunately, pass on Phish shows. My wife and I had our 2nd child in March, and I have been saving up bonus points for PJ tour. She is cool with me doing 5 PJ shows in October....which means not seeing some great shows: Phish, Rush, NIN, etc.

Sucks, but I'll be back to shows next year. And of course 5 PJ shows is awesome...

congrats!

i'm sitting out a bunch of PJ and just hitting Portland and Seattle, doing 1 phish run (AC) and the local NIN show and Atoms for Peace in Hollywood. After that, I'm going into a semi-retirement until next summer to buy a house. feels weird to be responsible sometimes....

BinFrog

choop wrote:

feels weird to be responsible sometimes....

Yup. And I am not sure when exactly the feeling will go away. Maybe it doesn't. *sigh*

awilkins

msjpearson wrote:

awilkins wrote:

Got 4 GAs for Worcester, put in for 4 best available--score! PJ GA Hartford Friday, Phish GA Worcester Saturday! Pumped!

That is quite a weekend run. Well done, good sir.

And PJ Worcester 1 the week before as well as Matt Good and Vinyl Cafe; NIN GA floor earlier int he month too.

#rocktober

63schoefflin

Yeah not much complaining because people seem to accept that they aren't entitled to get front row to every show like some others. And the capacity of some of these places is high school gym size. Pretty insane as you are talking around 10k and under.

Someone give me your AC tix :corn:

jumbojet

PhillyCrownOfThorns wrote:

Would not say I am qualified to judge a Mccready v Trey battle.

Me, too, dont feel qualified to judge on that.

Having said that it seems to be somewhat ill-fated to compare guitarists of two different genres. The thing is, Mike is supposed to do his work within the boundaries of PJ music. Those boundaries might be different with a different band, like Phish. PJ is not particularly a jam-band, it is heavily dominated by lead vocals. Things a lead-guitarist can do in a band like PJ are much more limited than bands like Phish, Widespread Panic or Grateful Dead.

I guess, what I am saying is, based on the above argument, it is not right to conclude Mike is a lesser guitarist. His job as his role in the band is different. He is supposed to give fire to the songs (his exact words) rather than jamming the music to whatever direction he pleases, as in the case of Phish.

You never know, put Mike in a jam band and put Trey in a band like PJ and within 10-years, you might conclude Mike is the better one. So it is not much the talent, it is the role in the band that you guys are mostly talking about.