i hit the lottery for fall tour for the first time since the clinton administration.
I have been generally lucky with Phish lotteries over the years. I definitely score more often than not.
This year I am having to, unfortunately, pass on Phish shows. My wife and I had our 2nd child in March, and I have been saving up bonus points for PJ tour. She is cool with me doing 5 PJ shows in October....which means not seeing some great shows: Phish, Rush, NIN, etc.
Sucks, but I'll be back to shows next year. And of course 5 PJ shows is awesome...
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Just curious, do phans on the phish boards carry on about the lottery like they do here, or is it generally accepted that its difficult since its open to anyone, not just members?
Ps. Their ticket prices are fantastic and I love how they give you a free download of the show as well.
Just curious, do phans on the phish boards carry on about the lottery like they do here, or is it generally accepted that its difficult since its open to anyone, not just members?
Ps. Their ticket prices are fantastic and I love how they give you a free download of the show as well.
They never had it as good as us who mastered the art of f5, and there is no seniority, so the complaints are lower.
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Just curious, do phans on the phish boards carry on about the lottery like they do here, or is it generally accepted that its difficult since its open to anyone, not just members?
Ps. Their ticket prices are fantastic and I love how they give you a free download of the show as well.
They never had it as good as us who mastered the art of f5, and there is no seniority, so the complaints are lower.
pearl jam fans are definitely a whiny bunch. phish fans generally don't complain and just get to work getting tickets. the difference is probably the seniority like mentioned - most phans are content to just be in the building, and not worried about getting a 53rd mccready pick. also, the phish lottery can get you on the lawn in the summer, behind the stage, etc. so they aren't necessarily the best seats like 10C.
i think both bands could learn from each others practices, an awesome system would come from such a hybrid.
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music." KV Jr.
i hit the lottery for fall tour for the first time since the clinton administration.
I have been generally lucky with Phish lotteries over the years. I definitely score more often than not.
This year I am having to, unfortunately, pass on Phish shows. My wife and I had our 2nd child in March, and I have been saving up bonus points for PJ tour. She is cool with me doing 5 PJ shows in October....which means not seeing some great shows: Phish, Rush, NIN, etc.
Sucks, but I'll be back to shows next year. And of course 5 PJ shows is awesome...
congrats!
i'm sitting out a bunch of PJ and just hitting Portland and Seattle, doing 1 phish run (AC) and the local NIN show and Atoms for Peace in Hollywood. After that, I'm going into a semi-retirement until next summer to buy a house. feels weird to be responsible sometimes....
"If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph: The only proof he needed for the existence of God was music." KV Jr.
Yeah not much complaining because people seem to accept that they aren't entitled to get front row to every show like some others. And the capacity of some of these places is high school gym size. Pretty insane as you are talking around 10k and under.
Would not say I am qualified to judge a Mccready v Trey battle.
Me, too, dont feel qualified to judge on that.
Having said that it seems to be somewhat ill-fated to compare guitarists of two different genres. The thing is, Mike is supposed to do his work within the boundaries of PJ music. Those boundaries might be different with a different band, like Phish. PJ is not particularly a jam-band, it is heavily dominated by lead vocals. Things a lead-guitarist can do in a band like PJ are much more limited than bands like Phish, Widespread Panic or Grateful Dead.
I guess, what I am saying is, based on the above argument, it is not right to conclude Mike is a lesser guitarist. His job as his role in the band is different. He is supposed to give fire to the songs (his exact words) rather than jamming the music to whatever direction he pleases, as in the case of Phish.
You never know, put Mike in a jam band and put Trey in a band like PJ and within 10-years, you might conclude Mike is the better one. So it is not much the talent, it is the role in the band that you guys are mostly talking about.
What's your part, who you are?
2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
2016: NY MSG 1
Would not say I am qualified to judge a Mccready v Trey battle.
Me, too, dont feel qualified to judge on that.
Having said that it seems to be somewhat ill-fated to compare guitarists of two different genres. The thing is, Mike is supposed to do his work within the boundaries of PJ music. Those boundaries might be different with a different band, like Phish. PJ is not particularly a jam-band, it is heavily dominated by lead vocals. Things a lead-guitarist can do in a band like PJ are much more limited than bands like Phish, Widespread Panic or Grateful Dead.
I guess, what I am saying is, based on the above argument, it is not right to conclude Mike is a lesser guitarist. His job as his role in the band is different. He is supposed to give fire to the songs (his exact words) rather than jamming the music to whatever direction he pleases, as in the case of Phish.
You never know, put Mike in a jam band and put Trey in a band like PJ and within 10-years, you might conclude Mike is the better one. So it is not much the talent, it is the role in the band that you guys are mostly talking about.
I am a huge fan of both bands. PJ is my favorite band, and Phish is juuuuust a smidge behind. I am also a guitar player, and a huge fan of virtuoso stuff like jazz, fusion, etc.
My take:
Trey is a far superior *technical* player. Regardless of whose style you like, or who gets to you emotionally, there's really not even a debate as to who is a "better" guitarist. Mike is a great bluesy/hard rock guitar player. Trey can play hard rock, jazz, fusion, bluegrass, folk, and just about anything else.
That being said: Mike can bring you places emotionally like few others. Mike's playing works in conjunction with Eddie's voice and the heartfelt lyrics. Trey's playing brings you places musically, along with an incredibly talented band, that no other guitarist can do (in my mind). When Phish clicks and is firing on all cylinders, it's simply jaw dropping what they can do musically...and Trey is usually the one leading the way. What he can do on the guitar, and in an improv setting, is astounding.
On just a technical/skill level: it's not even a contest. Trey has a skill-set that very few have ever had. The debate over which guitarist means more to you, or reaches you on an emotional level is one thing. But Trey is a far superior guitarist.
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
If you are an open-minded music lover...just watch that ending jam. First off the playing leading into the jam is simply beautiful, and then he does what he does best.
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Would not say I am qualified to judge a Mccready v Trey battle.
Me, too, dont feel qualified to judge on that.
Having said that it seems to be somewhat ill-fated to compare guitarists of two different genres. The thing is, Mike is supposed to do his work within the boundaries of PJ music. Those boundaries might be different with a different band, like Phish. PJ is not particularly a jam-band, it is heavily dominated by lead vocals. Things a lead-guitarist can do in a band like PJ are much more limited than bands like Phish, Widespread Panic or Grateful Dead.
I guess, what I am saying is, based on the above argument, it is not right to conclude Mike is a lesser guitarist. His job as his role in the band is different. He is supposed to give fire to the songs (his exact words) rather than jamming the music to whatever direction he pleases, as in the case of Phish.
You never know, put Mike in a jam band and put Trey in a band like PJ and within 10-years, you might conclude Mike is the better one. So it is not much the talent, it is the role in the band that you guys are mostly talking about.
Mike isn't in the same universe as Trey and I wouldn't even consider myself a Phish fan.
Have them switch places and it's likely Trey could excel, as he's such a chameleon. Mike would get completely lost pretty quickly. You're just talking a whole different level of musical sophistication with Phish.
I no other aspect of guitar playing, besides personal preference, could Mike ever be considered superior guitarist to Trey.
There's much more to emotional guitar playing than "head back eyes closed big bends", which Mike does great, but there are only a few examples where he's really supplied that certain emotional push/pull in an uptempo number.
If you are an open-minded music lover...just watch that ending jam. First off the playing leading into the jam is simply beautiful, and then he does what he does best.
Thank you very much for the links. Certainly I am more open to the ones recommended from fellow PJ fans. Interesting that you picked some performances from -90-'s.
I was listening to this one today till 45-minute mark while he was talking about Vibration of Death stuff. Hope to finish it sometime tomorrow.
Certainly, the talent is undeniably there.
I will also try a few more links in this thread. Thanks again.
What's your part, who you are?
2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
2016: NY MSG 1
Have them switch places and it's likely Trey could excel, as he's such a chameleon. Mike would get completely lost pretty quickly. You're just talking a whole different level of musical sophistication with Phish.
Oh, you are underestimating Eddie, there. Give Trey under the command of Eddie and Eddie will turn him into a puppy in no time, waiting for orders to wag his tail, when his time for 25-second solo comes.
What's your part, who you are?
2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
2016: NY MSG 1
October is going to be sick. Two of my favorite bands criss crossing each other in the Northeast...playing at the same venues. Hitting 6 shows... 3 PJ...3 Phish. And throw in a Giants Monday night game...could possibly be the best week of my life!
"I want to go...but I don't want to go alone...With you I could never feel alone..."
Phish are a good time. I've only seen them a few times, but I've enjoyed their music for nearly twenty years now... I'm not always in the mood for them, but when I am, I totally am.
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
October is going to be sick. Two of my favorite bands criss crossing each other in the Northeast...playing at the same venues. Hitting 6 shows... 3 PJ...3 Phish. And throw in a Giants Monday night game...could possibly be the best week of my life!
I built up bonus points with my wife so I could hit up multiple PJ shows this tour. We have 2 little kids, including a 5 month old, so I had to pick my battles carefully. Without kids I would have hit up several Phish shows as well. Oh well.
Bright eyed kid: "Wow Typo Man, you're the best!"
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Insert shameless ISO plug for AC tix.... Get in touch if you have spares. I was lucky enough to snag Reading at least.
Now... Back to the videos.
I'm with you.. went to the ticketmaster in AC to try to get tix, and still shut out! Lottery too. :evil:
So are we going to slum around and try and get tix? We have a hook up at work through Wanamaker and they quoted me at $225 including fees for Halloween. Hopefully it drops a tad but not looking good. Are you going to Reading?
Yep I brought it back... Sick week coming up for me and I'm all geeked up. However, I'm still ooking for tix. For PJ, I need Brooklyn 1...Brooklyn 2...and Philly 2. For, Phish I need Worcester 1 and Worcester 2. Already got my Hartford. So for the 6 shows I'm going too, I only have tix for 1 of them. Lol. Thought maybe you heads might have extras. PM if you do. Thanks!
"I want to go...but I don't want to go alone...With you I could never feel alone..."
I only have tix for Reading but I'm really trying to shoot over to AC for Halloween. This might be impossible to top as far as a single month for concerts go. 6 PJ shows and most likely 2 Phish....Jesus, I might actually have to start selling some posters, ha.
I can't believe I started an 8 page thread on phish!!!
EV~Toronto Night 2 - 2008 Toronto - 2009 NYC Night 2 - 2010
Toronto Night 2 - 2011
Music Midtown, Atlanta - 2012 London,ON - 2013
Wrigley Field, Chicago - 2013
Buffalo - 2013
Charlottesville - 2013
Charlotte - 2013 Detroit - 2014 Ottawa - 2016 Toronto Night 1&2 - 2016 Wrigley Field 1, Chicago - 2016 EV~Dana Point CA - 2016 Wrigley Field 1, Chicago - 2018
I only have tix for Reading but I'm really trying to shoot over to AC for Halloween. This might be impossible to top as far as a single month for concerts go. 6 PJ shows and most likely 2 Phish....Jesus, I might actually have to start selling some posters, ha.
What posters you got?
"I want to go...but I don't want to go alone...With you I could never feel alone..."
I only have tix for Reading but I'm really trying to shoot over to AC for Halloween. This might be impossible to top as far as a single month for concerts go. 6 PJ shows and most likely 2 Phish....Jesus, I might actually have to start selling some posters, ha.
What posters you got?
Lol...ones I am willing to let go? Not many at all when it comes to PJ. But there are a few floating around in my trades and collection I wouldn't mind thinning out. Although the Stout's are more or less off limits unless we are talking big time offers
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I have been generally lucky with Phish lotteries over the years. I definitely score more often than not.
This year I am having to, unfortunately, pass on Phish shows. My wife and I had our 2nd child in March, and I have been saving up bonus points for PJ tour. She is cool with me doing 5 PJ shows in October....which means not seeing some great shows: Phish, Rush, NIN, etc.
Sucks, but I'll be back to shows next year. And of course 5 PJ shows is awesome...
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Ps. Their ticket prices are fantastic and I love how they give you a free download of the show as well.
They never had it as good as us who mastered the art of f5, and there is no seniority, so the complaints are lower.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
pearl jam fans are definitely a whiny bunch. phish fans generally don't complain and just get to work getting tickets. the difference is probably the seniority like mentioned - most phans are content to just be in the building, and not worried about getting a 53rd mccready pick. also, the phish lottery can get you on the lawn in the summer, behind the stage, etc. so they aren't necessarily the best seats like 10C.
i think both bands could learn from each others practices, an awesome system would come from such a hybrid.
congrats!
i'm sitting out a bunch of PJ and just hitting Portland and Seattle, doing 1 phish run (AC) and the local NIN show and Atoms for Peace in Hollywood. After that, I'm going into a semi-retirement until next summer to buy a house. feels weird to be responsible sometimes....
Yup. And I am not sure when exactly the feeling will go away. Maybe it doesn't. *sigh*
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
#rocktober
Someone give me your AC tix :corn:
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
Me, too, dont feel qualified to judge on that.
Having said that it seems to be somewhat ill-fated to compare guitarists of two different genres. The thing is, Mike is supposed to do his work within the boundaries of PJ music. Those boundaries might be different with a different band, like Phish. PJ is not particularly a jam-band, it is heavily dominated by lead vocals. Things a lead-guitarist can do in a band like PJ are much more limited than bands like Phish, Widespread Panic or Grateful Dead.
I guess, what I am saying is, based on the above argument, it is not right to conclude Mike is a lesser guitarist. His job as his role in the band is different. He is supposed to give fire to the songs (his exact words) rather than jamming the music to whatever direction he pleases, as in the case of Phish.
You never know, put Mike in a jam band and put Trey in a band like PJ and within 10-years, you might conclude Mike is the better one. So it is not much the talent, it is the role in the band that you guys are mostly talking about.
2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
2016: NY MSG 1
I am a huge fan of both bands. PJ is my favorite band, and Phish is juuuuust a smidge behind. I am also a guitar player, and a huge fan of virtuoso stuff like jazz, fusion, etc.
My take:
Trey is a far superior *technical* player. Regardless of whose style you like, or who gets to you emotionally, there's really not even a debate as to who is a "better" guitarist. Mike is a great bluesy/hard rock guitar player. Trey can play hard rock, jazz, fusion, bluegrass, folk, and just about anything else.
That being said: Mike can bring you places emotionally like few others. Mike's playing works in conjunction with Eddie's voice and the heartfelt lyrics. Trey's playing brings you places musically, along with an incredibly talented band, that no other guitarist can do (in my mind). When Phish clicks and is firing on all cylinders, it's simply jaw dropping what they can do musically...and Trey is usually the one leading the way. What he can do on the guitar, and in an improv setting, is astounding.
On just a technical/skill level: it's not even a contest. Trey has a skill-set that very few have ever had. The debate over which guitarist means more to you, or reaches you on an emotional level is one thing. But Trey is a far superior guitarist.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... glHo&t=205
Trey just goes off.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... aRQ&t=1434
If you are an open-minded music lover...just watch that ending jam. First off the playing leading into the jam is simply beautiful, and then he does what he does best.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
Mike isn't in the same universe as Trey and I wouldn't even consider myself a Phish fan.
Have them switch places and it's likely Trey could excel, as he's such a chameleon. Mike would get completely lost pretty quickly. You're just talking a whole different level of musical sophistication with Phish.
I no other aspect of guitar playing, besides personal preference, could Mike ever be considered superior guitarist to Trey.
There's much more to emotional guitar playing than "head back eyes closed big bends", which Mike does great, but there are only a few examples where he's really supplied that certain emotional push/pull in an uptempo number.
Now... Back to the videos.
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
Thank you very much for the links. Certainly I am more open to the ones recommended from fellow PJ fans. Interesting that you picked some performances from -90-'s.
I was listening to this one today till 45-minute mark while he was talking about Vibration of Death stuff.
Certainly, the talent is undeniably there.
I will also try a few more links in this thread. Thanks again.
2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
2016: NY MSG 1
Oh, you are underestimating Eddie, there. Give Trey under the command of Eddie and Eddie will turn him into a puppy in no time, waiting for orders to wag his tail, when his time for 25-second solo comes.
2012: Arras, Berlin 1-2
2013: Sao Paulo, Buenos Aires
2014: Milano, Trieste, Vienna, Berlin
2016: NY MSG 1
I'm with you.. went to the ticketmaster in AC to try to get tix, and still shut out! Lottery too. :evil:
Randall's Island 96 and haven't stopped since...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I built up bonus points with my wife so I could hit up multiple PJ shows this tour. We have 2 little kids, including a 5 month old, so I had to pick my battles carefully. Without kids I would have hit up several Phish shows as well. Oh well.
Typo Man: "Thanks kidz, but remembir, stay in skool!"
So are we going to slum around and try and get tix? We have a hook up at work through Wanamaker and they quoted me at $225 including fees for Halloween. Hopefully it drops a tad but not looking good. Are you going to Reading?
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
Randall's Island 96 and haven't stopped since...
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway
Toronto - 2009
NYC Night 2 - 2010
Toronto Night 2 - 2011
Music Midtown, Atlanta - 2012
London,ON - 2013
Wrigley Field, Chicago - 2013
Buffalo - 2013
Charlottesville - 2013
Charlotte - 2013
Detroit - 2014
Ottawa - 2016
Toronto Night 1&2 - 2016
Wrigley Field 1, Chicago - 2016
EV~Dana Point CA - 2016
Wrigley Field 1, Chicago - 2018
You sir, are a good man! (or women)
Randall's Island 96 and haven't stopped since...
What posters you got?
Randall's Island 96 and haven't stopped since...
Lol...ones I am willing to let go? Not many at all when it comes to PJ. But there are a few floating around in my trades and collection I wouldn't mind thinning out. Although the Stout's are more or less off limits unless we are talking big time offers
http://expressobeans.com/members/collections.php?id=33818
'10- MSG 1-2 '11- PJ20
'12- MIA; DeLuna '13- Wrigley; Pitt; Brooklyn 1-2; Philly 1-2; Baltimore; Seattle
'14- Denver '16- Philly 1-2; MSG 2
'17- Pilgrimage Music Fest (Eddie)
'18- Fenway