All it takes is a sharpie, a piece of paper, and a pen...

Last-12-Exit

I haven't been to a pearl jam show since 98 and I haven't been to a GA show since 95. So when I get to Charlotte, do I need go look for the people organizing which gate I go in for GA, or just ask somebody that works there where I need to stand in line?

Evensteven

Last-12-Exit wrote:

I haven't been to a pearl jam show since 98 and I haven't been to a GA show since 95. So when I get to Charlotte, do I need go look for the people organizing which gate I go in for GA, or just ask somebody that works there where I need to stand in line?

Find the guy with the magic sharpie or start your own line.
Just kidding. I'm going to Charlotte too and I hope this line thing doesn't happen there.
But I'm not really trying to reserve a spot on the rail.

slobberdog68

We need this for Philly
Awesome Job!

Mac Dog

Good on you for taking it upon yourself for trying to organize this.

A collection of Springsteen fans has been doing this since about 2002 when Bruce went to GA for the whole floor. After some minor hiccups at the start it has been fair and used successfully at 100s of shows over the past decade. If you're interested on how it's done there for some ideas or whatever you can go to backstreets.com and do a general search for "GA lineup policy" or something along those lines. Might have some ideas that can help.

I would add that I'm not a big fan of GA but have been really impressed at how it has worked out at the Bruce shows I have done GA at.

Cheers

nadahombre

Evensteven wrote:

Here the many GA floor shows I have been to at indoor arenas there are many points of entry from the outside then once inside there may be 3-4 points of entry to the floor.
Those weren't PJ shows. Even the Black Keys recently had pit and GA was open on both sides of the venue - 2 entry locations.

Like I said I understand why people are doing it, I just disagree with it.

That's interesting I'm not used to the situation of multiple GA entrances PJ shows outside CONA. As mentioned in this case just maintain different lists. Also in Europe the 10c have always had a banner up clearly displaying where the one GA entrance is. Maybe they will do this for the fall shows also

As for being in the know which is the GA entrance on Friday we absolutely did not know this information . There were 3 separate entrances people started waiting outside but we pooled together on the list. When Security told us where the entrance would be and when to start queueing we spread the news. I can only assume that if there were other GA entrance the head of security would have informed these of this too.

Ultimately everyone wants to know they get a fair deal and hey if a pure honest system works then all the better. This way just elimates confusion and any instances of queue jumping that do unfortunately occur. And also with an agreed idea in place that allows people to step away means people don't have to break their ass queueing the whole day.

nadahombre

Last-12-Exit wrote:

I haven't been to a pearl jam show since 98 and I haven't been to a GA show since 95. So when I get to Charlotte, do I need go look for the people organizing which gate I go in for GA, or just ask somebody that works there where I need to stand in line?

Yes... Hopefully this entrance infirmation will be evident, or at least be communicated by security or the 10c on the day. In my experience if you're in the first 50 you'll get on or super close to the rail. Remember this is all about making for a cool and sage experience something that venue security and the 10c are all about

bobtoast

Hope you don't do this in BKLYN. I was lucky enough to win the GA lottery, sucks some 10 clubbers are bending the rules and making it reserved for the people on the list. No?
did anyone read this?

"therefore there will not be a need for early entry. Please know there are less GA pit tickets available in the drawing then there are reserved seated tickets. If you are not interested in standing for the entirety of the show, do not enter the drawing for GA tickets."

strummers

nadahombre wrote:

I'd like to thank the hundred or so people who bought into the GA list experiment a small group of us started early Friday morning outside Wrigley Field. Meeting everyone who bought in, and seeing this work (force of nature aside), was the highlight of my weekend.

Also thanks to Todd of Wrigley security who, just as the band's security had aided this process during the 2012 European tour, chose to work with all of us to ensure a hassle and incident free process through to field admission.

It's easy to criticise the benefits of a PJ fan operated GA list system at its relative infancy here in the US. Who are we to police eachother? Perhaps the answer is in this same question "who better to? The last people I want to share any PJ show against the rail with are adversaries, the first being those I've shared 1 (or 2, or 5, or 10...) hours queueing and sharing experiences with. All it takes is a sharpie, pen, a notebook and a consensus for how long anyone can step out of the queue for necessities (... beer, bathroom, merchandise, return to accomodation).

Eddie often asks us during the show..." take care of eachother". Perhaps we pick up this call even before the show.

Good luck for an awesome Fall tour, Graham

Well said Graham, and glad to hear it went well at such a huge gig!!

Suziemay

bobtoast wrote:

Hope you don't do this in BKLYN. I was lucky enough to win the GA lottery, sucks some 10 clubbers are bending the rules and making it reserved for the people on the list. No?
did anyone read this?

"therefore there will not be a need for early entry. Please know there are less GA pit tickets available in the drawing then there are reserved seated tickets. If you are not interested in standing for the entirety of the show, do not enter the drawing for GA tickets."

It's not a reserved list. It's a list organizing people in the order they arrived so you didn't have to fear losing your spot if god forbid you had to go to the bathroom. Everyone on the list around me was there pretty much the whole time, save for going to bathroom, get food, drop stuff off in their car, etc. To me, it' worked the same as if we all showed up and waited in line to get in, only there's a list to try to prevent people for jumping the queue as best we can although it inevitably happens.

A queue is inevitably going to form whether we like it or not. For those willing to wait for hours, hopefully the list helps alleviate some anxiety.

RVM414

The line and list are much less powerful at a venue with multiple entrances for GA. I was able to get in line at 3PM and secure 3rd row behind people who were in line all day at a different gate. Unfortunately the horrendous handling of re-entry back into the pit after the rain delay resulted in watching the next two hours from 30 rows deep.

4Powers20

this will never affect me because I dont need to be squished on a rail and close to the band to enjoy a concert but .... really ?? Isnt this a rock concert?? is this how far we fallen??

nadahombre

4Powers20 wrote:

this will never affect me because I dont need to be squished on a rail and close to the band to enjoy a concert but .... really ?? Isnt this a rock concert?? is this how far we fallen??

As you say it won't affect you... but run this way no one will get squished as everyone involved should have spent the time waiting discovering mutual respect I am the people around them.

Yes this is a rock show but this isn't synonymous with people having to be asses just to get to the front. I don't think that is what this band is about or who most of us are about.

Also the better we all do the GA the more likely this will stay a permanent fixture going forward... is this how far we've fallen? I'd say the opposite

EchosNobodyHears

This worked out so well in my opinion. Well worth the wait and very well organized. We got to meet and talk with other 10c members all afternoon. I heard (and shared) so many personal experiences, which made the wait time actually pretty fun. This was my friends first show and he was amazed at the sense of community and respect that exists within the fan club and the one thing (this band) that brings us all together.

The only downer was losing your initial spot due to the rain delay, which was uncontrollable. If it was a normal show it would have been perfect.

Thanks again for all the hard work and dedication that went into this. It was truly memorable.

Get_Right

The idea of GA is that anyone can get close no matter when you arrive and if you move from your spot its fair game.
This concept seems reward those that are "in the know" and local.
Not sure I like that.
I certainly don't like the idea of a pack of people preventing others from moving forward. That is BS.

boyo79

Only problem I see is if people in the queue start leaving spots open for their pals who haven't turned up yet. I.e. you are there early on with a couple of friends, says your numbers 1-4 but 2 more pals are a few hours away but you list them as 5 & 6. Not long after you get there more people arrive and rather than they be listed as #5 onwards you put them a few numbers back. That wouldn't be right.

DarbyCrash

Suziemay wrote:

Evensteven wrote:

So let me get how this works? Some young 19 year old kid excited about his first PJ show gets in line at 9am but unfortunately he's in the wrong line. You guys in the "know" are in the right line or the one with the sharpie. So you organize it to get all the other gates to open late so you can easily get to the front. Then you deny this fan a chance at the front just because he happened to get in the wrong line?

I'm all about the safety issues and taking care if each other. I also totally understand not wanting to stand next to a huge drunk asshole all night. But I'm not sure I agree with this.

I would hope since we're all 10club members in the GA pit for the fall tours we can police ourselves and treat everyone with respect. I hope this magic sharpie doesn't show up at the 2 shows I'm attending this fall.

The multiple entry is hopefully just an issue with Wrigley, most venues should only have one entrance. For Europe last year, the ticket pickup emails included very clear instructions on where early entry for ga would be for 10c.

I just want to be clear, though. No one was in the know about wrigley. We all walked around and talked to each other and multiple security guards to try and figure things out. It's not thst hard to miss a cluster of tired-looking people with wristbands. I did not know majority of the people in line before I spent almost 11 hours on and off with them In your hypothetical example, if the 19 year old sat in the wrong line, it would be because he didn't walk around and talk to people to figure out the deal. I was waiting in the "wrong" line with some others i had just met forbthe first time for 30 mins too because I chose to listen to a guard who didn't know jack. We felt uneasy, sent someone to check out the other entrances, heard of one were more folks were so we all moved. I'm sure we ended up behind some people who got there later than us but we also knew we were good for the rail so it didn't matter if we were 10 vs 20.

Oh I'm also just remembering that we got into huddles multiple times and hashed things out when there were concerns and everyone was very respectful of each other. We just all have to do the best we can to make it work and be fair, recognizing that it's not a perfect system and he ok with it. I think Wrigley was a great display of how we can all work together in the absence of an official process.

Exactly. We all talked to each other and figured it out together. It was a team effort. I spent 2 hours walking around the building asking people what was going on. It was so confusing, until I found Graham, my GA angel. Thank you again Graham, you are the best!!!

Suziemay

boyo79 wrote:

Only problem I see is if people in the queue start leaving spots open for their pals who haven't turned up yet. I.e. you are there early on with a couple of friends, says your numbers 1-4 but 2 more pals are a few hours away but you list them as 5 & 6. Not long after you get there more people arrive and rather than they be listed as #5 onwards you put them a few numbers back. That wouldn't be right.

Did not happen. Write your name on the list then number your hand. I think this may have happened in Europe with the line police, no less, but not at wrigley. There were some line cutters behind me but folks were all just tired at this point that no one wanted to create a scene because they knew a few people here and there would not affect them getting on the rail.

Again, not a perfect system but worked out the best that it could have under the circumstances.

barger395

nadahombre wrote:

I'd like to thank the hundred or so people who bought into the GA list experiment a small group of us started early Friday morning outside Wrigley Field. Meeting everyone who bought in, and seeing this work (force of nature aside), was the highlight of my weekend.

Also thanks to Todd of Wrigley security who, just as the band's security had aided this process during the 2012 European tour, chose to work with all of us to ensure a hassle and incident free process through to field admission.

It's easy to criticise the benefits of a PJ fan operated GA list system at its relative infancy here in the US. Who are we to police eachother? Perhaps the answer is in this same question "who better to? The last people I want to share any PJ show against the rail with are adversaries, the first being those I've shared 1 (or 2, or 5, or 10...) hours queueing and sharing experiences with. All it takes is a sharpie, pen, a notebook and a consensus for how long anyone can step out of the queue for necessities (... beer, bathroom, merchandise, return to accomodation).

Eddie often asks us during the show..." take care of eachother". Perhaps we pick up this call even before the show.

Good luck for an awesome Fall tour, Graham

Great work G!! I know my friends Donna, Su May, and Chad really appreciated your efforts!! If only the after rain delay re-entry could have been as orderly!!

Cheers and be well,
BS

jened10

To be honest, I was wary of "the list" after reading the "Line & List" thread the weeks leading up to the show. I had no idea what to expect, and after 10c saying we could enter at any gate, I wasn't sure how a list would even work. The way people made it seem on the other thread was that people would put their name plus 10 or however many people then once it was time to go in, those 10 people would all of the sudden appear and line up. This is not how this happened at all. My husband and I arrived at 9 and he jumped in line for posters and I started asking around about GA. A very nice gentleman who worked for Wrigley told me everyone was lining up at 2 in the "purple lot" and then at 4 they would take us to get our bags checked and green bracelets. I was happy with this info, so I found my husband and told him we would be good until after getting our posters. The longer I stood there (about 10:30 at this point), I started to think about the list and what if that had already begun...so I started walking around to find a group of people with red wristbands. Bam! There they all were right in front of will-call. Not hard to find at all! I noticed they all had numbers, so I found the gentleman with the sharpie...he gave me a number and I said, "What do I do about my husband?? He's been in line for 2 hours waiting for the merch booth to open at noon." No problem...hands me the sharpie, I go and give my husband his number and return the sharpie to Graham (I'm assuming?). I went back to my husband to let him know I would wait in GA line til he got our posters. When it came to lining up in the purple lot, everyone was super cool about checking each other's numbers and making sure they weren't in front of someone they shouldn't be. I was #58 and someone who was I don't know maybe 65 said you need to be in front of me. When my husband made it back, no one gave him shit about not being there the whole time. I met some really awesome people (even a guy who lives about a 1/2 hour from us in PA!) Super Steeler fan Gunner from OH, if you're on the boards, message me!! I can understand people being pissed if people are holding spots for a large number of people or for people who aren't there to wait at all, but this did NOT happen. If not for the weather, I would have been 2nd row right in front of Mr. McCready...it wasn't in the cards for me, though. Still rocked out about 10 rows back, and I won't forget where I would have been thanks to Graham and whoever else started the list. If I'm ever lucky enough to win GA again, I will be happy to be on a list that runs as smoothly as Wrigley's did. There were not line "Listlers" (which I think is a ridiculously inappropriate comparison, but that's just me.

With that being said, if anyone has GA for Pittsburgh and would rather have seats, PM me doesn't hurt to try, right?!?

pdalowsky

Suziemay wrote:

bobtoast wrote:

Hope you don't do this in BKLYN. I was lucky enough to win the GA lottery, sucks some 10 clubbers are bending the rules and making it reserved for the people on the list. No?
did anyone read this?

"therefore there will not be a need for early entry. Please know there are less GA pit tickets available in the drawing then there are reserved seated tickets. If you are not interested in standing for the entirety of the show, do not enter the drawing for GA tickets."

It's not a reserved list. It's a list organizing people in the order they arrived so you didn't have to fear losing your spot if god forbid you had to go to the bathroom. Everyone on the list around me was there pretty much the whole time, save for going to bathroom, get food, drop stuff off in their car, etc. To me, it' worked the same as if we all showed up and waited in line to get in, only there's a list to try to prevent people for jumping the queue as best we can although it inevitably happens.

A queue is inevitably going to form whether we like it or not. For those willing to wait for hours, hopefully the list helps alleviate some anxiety.

Su May - very nicely put. I don't understand why anyone would or could argue against this, if you want the barrier get there early and join the organization. Or be the rebel and end up a pain In everyone's ass