That's a rather ignorant comment to make. Sorry, but you are very wrong and out of line to state that the Sydney 1 atmosphere and energy was "fuelled by fan club members who traveled".
So only the Americans, Canadians, Germans and so on know how to have a good time at a pearl jam concert?
Your comment is completely baseless.
So the 20 or so international people who just happened to be front rows centre (another issue entirely) generated all that energy in a 20,000 strong venue?
Ridiculous mate, and senseless.
As for Aussies struggling at rock shows, what do you base that on might I ask?
You've obviously never been to a Tool, Shihad, NIN, BDO, Homebake etc etc etc.
Dont be so ignorant.
You are right mate. When I wrote it, I didn't convey what I meant. I edited the post to try and correct but you beat me to it. I didn't mean to sound ignorant. I apologize for being a jerk.
Now I feel like and asshole...
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Well now Sydney 3 is selling for $60.. surely you can upgrade, theres gotta be something out there.
I know. We got them for $60 at the venue after the Sydney 1 show. They had fliers on everyone's seats about the reduced price tickets for sale. We asked and the girl at the counter said it was the best they could do.
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You are right mate. When I wrote it, I didn't convey what I meant. I edited the post to try and correct but you beat me to it. I didn't mean to sound ignorant. I apologize for being a jerk.
Now I feel like and asshole...
Its bad enough that we all miss out on the best front row seats in our own country, so reading comments like yours really doesn't help.
Crowds are getting softer I have noticed in australia. Esp when it's general admission. The floor doesnt rock like it used to unless its some brutal metal. In Europe for pj I broke a rib
i left both shows with a saturated shirt, but when ur hardcore fans are interspersed with casual rock fans you are always going to have this problem. If any1 is to blame here it is the promoter. I could see alot of people around the venue rocking out and getting right into the concert, but they were on their own. I also think you would have seen a much better level of crowd participation last nite if the setlists from the 2 concerts were reversed. Show 1's setlist would appeal to the casual faqns alot more, as im sure show 2's setlist would appeal to the hardcore fans more, well this 1 neway.
My guy.. who is not a huge fan like I am, commented on the night that there should be special fan club only concerts. I think he has a point..
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i dont think fan club only concerts are the answer, u will still have shit concerts. forcing this poor excuse for a promoter to allow for 10c tix at every show will ensure that atleast the lower seats in the stadium will be alive and rocking
Perhaps last nights atrocity will make the ten club rethink their ticketing strategies over here... ie let us get 10c tickets to all shows like in the US!
Remember that this was the show that many many people either missed out on tickets for or were very late in buying tickets because of the ticket sale day disaster...
I'm going to jump up here and defend 10c. This has nothing to do with 10c. It's Curtis Management's inability to learn from the past tour's mistakes, in choosing again to go with Michael Coppel. 10c were hamstrung by this business decision- the fault lies elsewhere. I was pretty upset earlier on at 10c, but they've shown themselves to be on our side.
i don't think "aussie audiences" are the problem. i see a lot of shows from a variety of acts and i can tell you there's no lack of enegetic music love in this country. i think what we need to be looking at is what sort of audiences goes to a pearl jam show in australia, and even compare it to the audience thats saw the band back in 98. I reckon Pearl Jam has a pretty strong hardcore following in each city that adds up to about the amount of people at one show. then it seems to drop off quickly to the casual fan who is a slightly older concert goer, one who doesn't go to a lot of shows, and loves the songs he/she listens to on triple M etc, but doesn't seem to delve any further. I reckon the band has lost the young, wild, triple j listening fan to an overall feeling that they're just another one of those rock bands that used to be big whose singles get played on those mediocre safe maninstream rock stations. Unfortunately that sort of general feeling associated with the band resonates with the public, and affects how people react to them.
It's hardly a great answer, but i reckon there's more to think about than just saying aussie crowds are no good. I also reckon the seating plays a part.
i don't think "aussie audiences" are the problem. i see a lot of shows from a variety of acts and i can tell you there's no lack of enegetic music love in this country. i think what we need to be looking at is what sort of audiences goes to a pearl jam show in australia, and even compare it to the audience thats saw the band back in 98. I reckon Pearl Jam has a pretty strong hardcore following in each city that adds up to about the amount of people at one show. then it seems to drop off quickly to the casual fan who is a slightly older concert goer, one who doesn't go to a lot of shows, and loves the songs he/she listens to on triple M etc, but doesn't seem to delve any further. I reckon the band has lost the young, wild, triple j listening fan to an overall feeling that they're just another one of those rock bands that used to be big whose singles get played on those mediocre safe maninstream rock stations. Unfortunately that sort of general feeling associated with the band resonates with the public, and affects how people react to them.
It's hardly a great answer, but i reckon there's more to think about than just saying aussie crowds are no good. I also reckon the seating plays a part.
I think you're right. Show one rocked and sold out pretty quickly i think. Show two would have been made up of all the people that don't like the band enough to wait out and buy tickets immediately. They are more casual fans with the attitude "oh pearl jam are coming they have some good songs, oh show one is sold out...well get a couple tickets to show two!"
but remember that the tix to both syd 1 and 2 went on sale at the same time. Alot of people up the front were just as bad as others throughout the arena. we reallt need 10 c seats 4 all shows
i don't think "aussie audiences" are the problem. i see a lot of shows from a variety of acts and i can tell you there's no lack of enegetic music love in this country. i think what we need to be looking at is what sort of audiences goes to a pearl jam show in australia, and even compare it to the audience thats saw the band back in 98. I reckon Pearl Jam has a pretty strong hardcore following in each city that adds up to about the amount of people at one show. then it seems to drop off quickly to the casual fan who is a slightly older concert goer, one who doesn't go to a lot of shows, and loves the songs he/she listens to on triple M etc, but doesn't seem to delve any further. I reckon the band has lost the young, wild, triple j listening fan to an overall feeling that they're just another one of those rock bands that used to be big whose singles get played on those mediocre safe maninstream rock stations. Unfortunately that sort of general feeling associated with the band resonates with the public, and affects how people react to them.
It's hardly a great answer, but i reckon there's more to think about than just saying aussie crowds are no good. I also reckon the seating plays a part.
Well said.
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First in line. Had no idea a second show was on sale at the same time. No one told us. I'm not the only one.
Yeah dont worry, that got me aswell. i had 10 c seats 4 the 1st show so didnt get online at 9 am. when i did get on line all the good tix were gone. there was absolutly no announcement bout the 2nd concert going on sale at the same time as the 1st. i think this may have also played a role, as all the 10c members already had seats 4 syd 1 so held off getting online or lining up 4 tix.
wasnt at the shows as i am travelling... but here are my thoughts.
pearl jam in sydney... well i saw them in 03 crowd was quiet... i remember telling people in the states how stoked i was gettin the monster singalongs, its true. much louder, and better, but then its easier for fans to make a big tour around the states, bringin in more diehard tenclub members to shows. australia doesnt have that many members that it should make that much of a difference at a gig, and its hard to get there for international travellers due to time n cost.
as for sydney and rock? metallicas crowd was insane, as were acdc, and velvet revolver... shows like that have been mental.
also, sydney is the ONLY place to have sold out for 2 big day outs... and at each and everyone the crowd has been insane.
but yeh for bigger bands? ur gonna get a lot of people who want tickets from hearing radio hits, its a fact. so pearl jam suffer cause there are a lot of ten and vs fans out there and will love those tunes and never got into their newer stuff. thats not a crime, and they still enjoy the show. but yeh, there is a lot of sitting down at those shows, but it when i was there it didnt stop me from standing and rocking out like a maniac. if they complained i told them to go home and watch pearl jam on dvd. i never had a complaint after there.. there then were people around me who began to stand up too.
anyway i still wish i was seeing the shows, bad crowd or not
i think the unfortunate thing is Ed and the band dont (or didnt) seem to realise the ticket situation. im sure if Ed had known what the crowds for Sydney 1 & 2 were goin to be like he would have swapped the setlists for each night around. It's even on some of the '03 Aus tour boots, you can see it in the setlists and Ed mentions at some stage that he usually keeps rarities/specials for the last show of a particular city. in australia's case with the ticket situation maybe they should reverse it?
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Europe is the best. That is a fact. You have to agree
Fans that travel the whole tour with the band, sing along like crazy although most aren't 10c members, mixed crowds from diverse countries waving their national flags on each show...it a great vibe.
And I have a feeling that fans in US sometimes take PJ for granted, we don't. I come from South Europe and am proud to be a European Fan.. Spain, Portugal, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Greece, Hungary etc etc..great great crowds!! Hands down Let's continue, showing what is passion and what great music is capable of!
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Ok, I am a Canadian who has been livin in Sydney the last year, I leave to go back home in like 5 hrs. Last night was amazin cause I was at a PEARL JAM concert, I was 3rd row, side stage, (Stones side) I was one of the only people standin in my part of the section!! how fuckin sad mates! who sits at a concert? (obvious those who cant exculded) loads of ppl were singing along, but out of all the concerts I have been to, it was a tad lax, and yes, he did say somethin about being in a church. Over all, I had a blast, they were brilliant, and at least it wasnt the suana that my home town Thunder Bay was, shyte!
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how depressing... i have been to aus and have had many aus friends and they have always been really cool and full off life... i am so disapointed that they sucked so bad eddie gave them the finger... it is even sadder becuase that show could have gone to london instead where we know how to show the guys a fucking amazing time :(
Europe is the best. That is a fact. You have to agree
Fans that travel the whole tour with the band, sing along like crazy although most aren't 10c members, mixed crowds from diverse countries waving their national flags on each show...it a great vibe.
And I have a feeling that fans in US sometimes take PJ for granted, we don't. I come from South Europe and am proud to be a European Fan.. Spain, Portugal, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Greece, Hungary etc etc..great great crowds!! Hands down Let's continue, showing what is passion and what great music is capable of!
As an American who went to some European shows I have to admit you are right. Crazy Wild and I will always go to Portugal to see them - whenever they play there.
However, the next wildest shows I have seen are right here in Florida. I've seen them in Denver, GA & CA and Florida ones were the best.
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the pitiful crowd is payback for not playing the south maybe they wouldn't sell out 3 different NC shows, but i'm guessing if they did one, the crowd would actually appreciate that they were there.
Europe is the best. That is a fact. You have to agree
Fans that travel the whole tour with the band, sing along like crazy although most aren't 10c members, mixed crowds from diverse countries waving their national flags on each show...it a great vibe.
And I have a feeling that fans in US sometimes take PJ for granted, we don't. I come from South Europe and am proud to be a European Fan.. Spain, Portugal, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Greece, Hungary etc etc..great great crowds!! Hands down Let's continue, showing what is passion and what great music is capable of!
I'd hate to see this turn into a fan competition though or for us to start sounding like the Americans 'oh we're the best blah blah blah'. I'm just sad for all the genuine fans who were there for it and who had waited for that one night... actually no, I'm not, they got to see PJ last night :mad: fuck them.
just kidding of course, seriously though it's a shame and I hope Syndey 3 is much better.
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I'd hate to see this turn into a fan competition though or for us to start sounding like the Americans 'oh we're the best blah blah blah'. I'm just sad for all the genuine fans who were there for it and who had waited for that one night... actually no, I'm not, they got to see PJ last night :mad: fuck them.
just kidding of course, seriously though it's a shame and I hope Syndey 3 is much better.
So true, but "Real Fan", "best setlist", "greatest crowd", "Classic show" are all subjective and cannot be substantiated in a forum. They are just opinions and opinion1 = opinion2.
I don't agree with your shot at the "Americans 'oh we're the best blah blah blah" generalization because some of the best people I know and love are Americans & Europeans & Asian, etc.
And we are all "genuine fans" and I am jealous of any city that gets 3 shows (good or bad!!) no matter what country.
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So true, but "Real Fan", "best setlist", "greatest crowd", "Classic show" are all subjective and cannot be substantiated in a forum. They are just opinions and opinion1 = opinion2.
I don't agree with your shot at the "Americans 'oh we're the best blah blah blah" generalization because some of the best people I know and love are Americans & Europeans & Asian, etc.
And we are all "genuine fans" and I am jealous of any city that gets 3 shows (good or bad!!) no matter what country.
Oh I agree with your first paragraph. In response to your second, I was referring to those on the thread who were saying stuff like ‘if it were in the States or in Europe it would have been so much better’. I’m sure those there enjoyed it and if they didn’t there’s no need to rub salt in their wounds.
The Astoria??? Orgazmic!
Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
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Though we made ourselves heard in Vienna...that was the greatest show ive ever been to...
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You are right mate. When I wrote it, I didn't convey what I meant. I edited the post to try and correct but you beat me to it. I didn't mean to sound ignorant. I apologize for being a jerk.
Now I feel like and asshole...
I know. We got them for $60 at the venue after the Sydney 1 show. They had fliers on everyone's seats about the reduced price tickets for sale. We asked and the girl at the counter said it was the best they could do.
Its bad enough that we all miss out on the best front row seats in our own country, so reading comments like yours really doesn't help.
I know... and again I apologize.
It's hardly a great answer, but i reckon there's more to think about than just saying aussie crowds are no good. I also reckon the seating plays a part.
I think you're right. Show one rocked and sold out pretty quickly i think. Show two would have been made up of all the people that don't like the band enough to wait out and buy tickets immediately. They are more casual fans with the attitude "oh pearl jam are coming they have some good songs, oh show one is sold out...well get a couple tickets to show two!"
It is the seatinbg- get rid of the seats and you'll have a different story!!
Well said.
Yeah dont worry, that got me aswell. i had 10 c seats 4 the 1st show so didnt get online at 9 am. when i did get on line all the good tix were gone. there was absolutly no announcement bout the 2nd concert going on sale at the same time as the 1st. i think this may have also played a role, as all the 10c members already had seats 4 syd 1 so held off getting online or lining up 4 tix.
Amen
pearl jam in sydney... well i saw them in 03 crowd was quiet... i remember telling people in the states how stoked i was gettin the monster singalongs, its true. much louder, and better, but then its easier for fans to make a big tour around the states, bringin in more diehard tenclub members to shows. australia doesnt have that many members that it should make that much of a difference at a gig, and its hard to get there for international travellers due to time n cost.
as for sydney and rock? metallicas crowd was insane, as were acdc, and velvet revolver... shows like that have been mental.
also, sydney is the ONLY place to have sold out for 2 big day outs... and at each and everyone the crowd has been insane.
but yeh for bigger bands? ur gonna get a lot of people who want tickets from hearing radio hits, its a fact. so pearl jam suffer cause there are a lot of ten and vs fans out there and will love those tunes and never got into their newer stuff. thats not a crime, and they still enjoy the show. but yeh, there is a lot of sitting down at those shows, but it when i was there it didnt stop me from standing and rocking out like a maniac. if they complained i told them to go home and watch pearl jam on dvd. i never had a complaint after there.. there then were people around me who began to stand up too.
anyway i still wish i was seeing the shows, bad crowd or not
Fans that travel the whole tour with the band, sing along like crazy although most aren't 10c members, mixed crowds from diverse countries waving their national flags on each show...it a great vibe.
And I have a feeling that fans in US sometimes take PJ for granted, we don't. I come from South Europe and am proud to be a European Fan.. Spain, Portugal, Italy, Slovenia, Croatia, Greece, Hungary etc etc..great great crowds!! Hands down
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As an American who went to some European shows I have to admit you are right. Crazy Wild and I will always go to Portugal to see them - whenever they play there.
However, the next wildest shows I have seen are right here in Florida. I've seen them in Denver, GA & CA and Florida ones were the best.
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Verona??? it's all surmountable
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Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
So true, but "Real Fan", "best setlist", "greatest crowd", "Classic show" are all subjective and cannot be substantiated in a forum. They are just opinions and opinion1 = opinion2.
I don't agree with your shot at the "Americans 'oh we're the best blah blah blah" generalization because some of the best people I know and love are Americans & Europeans & Asian, etc.
And we are all "genuine fans" and I am jealous of any city that gets 3 shows (good or bad!!) no matter what country.
J.M., Jr. High Band Teacher
I raise my Freak Flag High!!
Oh I agree with your first paragraph. In response to your second, I was referring to those on the thread who were saying stuff like ‘if it were in the States or in Europe it would have been so much better’. I’m sure those there enjoyed it and if they didn’t there’s no need to rub salt in their wounds.
Verona??? it's all surmountable
Dublin 23.08.06 "The beauty of Ireland, right there!"
Wembley? We all believe!
Copenhagen?? your light made us stars
Chicago 07? And love
What a different life
Had I not found this love with you
A show for Hungary would be more than enough for me!
Though we made ourselves heard in Vienna...that was the greatest show ive ever been to...