THE LINE & "THE LIST"

SOLAT319

DarbyCrash wrote:

The list actually worked out really well, thanks to a gentleman named Graham.

It's kinda funny considering Graham is a TOURING FAN FROM UK which is one of the countries where touring Pearl Jam fans excel in science of "keeping the order in queue"

Well done, Mr. Holey, well fucking done

Also on Mike's side, people were able to get their original rail spots back after the weather break. Don't know how that worked out in other sections but I know couple of friends couldn't get their spots back after waiting out for like 12 hours under 40 degrees celcius temps.

On top of that, this pit was extremely mellow...in fact much too mellow for my taste

shmap

DarbyCrash wrote:

The list actually worked out really well, thanks to a gentleman named Graham.

An excellent job indeed.

We were over on Stone's side, and about eight of us who stuck together during the delay made it back up front ok, just slightly shuffled around.

morello

Ah I didn't realise it was nadahombre Graham. Well done man.
I know of peeps who were on the rail in front of Stone at 1st but were to the edge of Stone-side after the re-entry.

pdalowsky

Yeah huge respect to Graham ( and his partner in crime Jose)
Superstars from what I heard

Kathi

morello wrote:

Ah I didn't realise it was nadahombre Graham. Well done man.
I know of peeps who were on the rail in front of Stone at 1st but were to the edge of Stone-side after the re-entry.

yes that is us :( but considering what happened to other people, we were lucky. I agree with suziemay, reentry was not organized at all, and could have easily gotten people hurt. lots of guys without GA wristband went in there too.

Evensteven

It's works great for those on the list. If you missed the flier or information session about being on the list then seems like you got screwed.

crazygeo

GA list everywhere?
Don't see it, don't care for it....
GA means General admission, be nice to your neighbor and rock on!!!
Great to see a list and wanting the rail for some...
I just wanna rock! Not like I am going to be on stage, just wanna be safe and have a blast....

Evensteven

crazygeo wrote:

GA list everywhere?
Don't see it, don't care for it....
GA means General admission, be nice to your neighbor and rock on!!!
Great to see a list and wanting the rail for some...
I just wanna rock! Not like I am going to be on stage, just wanna be safe and have a blast....

Thank you.

crazygeo

by Evensteven » 21 Jul 2013 08:29



crazygeo wrote:GA list everywhere?
Don't see it, don't care for it....
GA means General admission, be nice to your neighbor and rock on!!!
Great to see a list and wanting the rail for some...
I just wanna rock! Not like I am going to be on stage, just wanna be safe and have a blast....



Thank you.

Then again, I am talking about the Philly area, where I have a seen some bastards over the years! Non-10 clubbers, of course....so be safe and have fun

DarbyCrash

Suziemay wrote:

DarbyCrash wrote:

The list actually worked out really well, thanks to a gentleman named Graham. I got there at about 7am and was frantically asking everyone I saw what the main gate would be. We heard a million different answers, but then finally Graham came up to me and told me about "the list." Everyone was assigned a number in order of their arrival. Graham spoke with the Cubs security people and convinced them to honor our unofficial system and they did! The whole process was peaceful. There were two girls who ended up cutting in front of us (probably about 10 people in), and I wanted to say something but I thought better of it. I got the rail anyway, how could I complain?? There were a few people who rebelled against the way Graham was doing things, and said there was no way the people in charge would go for that, and they ended up losing out on their spot. My advice...stick with the lifelong members who have been to the GA shows in Europe and South America. They know what they're doing.

Graham was a rockstar for getting us organized. It was probably the most peaceful ga line I've been in (this was my 7th ga show) and probably the most challenging circumstances with the multiple entrances and lack of info. We miraculously managed to organize ourselves into one list with little fuss even though originally there were queues forming at at least 3 gates.

For people who say the people advocating for the list are elitist, I'm not sure where this is coming from. The intent of the list is to get us organized and hopefully avoid the inevitable queue cutters who show up at 5pm and try to pretend that they have been there since 3 am. With a list you can at least point to it and say that their name is not in there. It's not perfect but it's the best system we've got without any formal system in place. It is not a list where people come, put down the names of 10 friends and then leave for the rest of the day. At Wrigley, we were all pretty much hanging around and checking in with each other when we left to go take showers or get lunch and stuff but for the most part everyone was on board and respectful. It actually seemed a lot more civilized than the merch lines!

Too bad all that effort was only good for 7 songs :( I managed to get back on the rail thanks to a kind soul who let me squeeze into a narrow spot in front of him (thanks Sean) but many were not that lucky. Do I think I was entitled to the rail after the rain because I was on it when the show started? Absofuckinglutely. Do I think I'm entitled to be rude and violent to get there? No way. I don't blame others for using the opportunity to get there when they hadn't put in the same amout of effort to get there, however I don't think it's right that people were plotting on how to get to the front when they had been way back in the floor before. I'm resentful of the way the reentry was managed (as in, there was zero management and it was a total shit show). People were pushing before they removed the barricades and I was really worried about a stampede. I was shocked that there wasn't any announcements over the pa system reminding people to stay safe and I thought for sure that there would be injuries. When the barricades opened it was a free for all; I ended up running between the seats just because I didn't want to be near anyone else and that actually worked out well for me. My friend ran in with everyone else, got pushed and shoved and was in tears by the time she got back into the pit. Just awful. This cannot be the first time a concert with ga has gotten delayed in the history of Wrigley concerts and it was apparent that there was no plan for getting us out and then back in in an orderly fashion, despite them knowing about the bad weather coming.

All in all, worse ga experience for me. Rail was great obviously but the process of getting to that point and the reentry after rain delay was awful. I don't think I will go to another Wrigley show if they ever have one.

I know, when they released the herds back to the field it was chaos. I was with a Marine, so he was behind me making sure no one tried to trip me (which I saw others doing) or push me (which I saw a lot of). It was a combination of the heat all day, lots of beer and annoyance at the rain. A lot of people were just pissed and tired. Some others were pissed, tired and REALLY DRUNK. A girl next to me while we were waiting to get the all clear was drooling on herself and smoking a cigarette backwards. :(

As far as the list being elitist. No way. How else would we stay organized? What was it Eddie said long ago? "Police yourselves..." So we do. And it was perfect. And I agree, after waiting all day, I DID deserve my spot back. No, I shouldn't mouth off to everyone and throw a hissy fit if I don't get it but...dude, I earned that spot. And I loved everyone I met. I was number 34 in line...surrounded by such wonderful people the entire time. If not for them, I would have been passed out from heat exhaustion by 2pm.

SOLAT319

Come to Oakland and see how the list is done

PJ_Soul

A truly ideal plan would be for everyone to chill the fuck out about being on the rail. I heard there was tons of room in the pit (too much). Why not try for a culture change, where people go to the rail and the move from the rail to give others a chance too? A pit culture where no one is freaking out because they are 20 feet from the stage rather than 12? I just don't get it. Wow, if I'd had GA the other night, I would have held back and calmly strolled back put into the pit and enjoyed being as close as the back of the pit got me, or the middle. But it seems people would rather involve themselves in a stampede situation and then start crying about it. I can't say I feel bad for a single one of you who got mixed up in that and found it awful, since you chose to participate in it even though there was plenty of room for everyone. I'm baffled by this drive for the rail and intend sense of competition for it. I simply can't fathom why anyone considers all the waiting and the lists and the foot races and the pushing and shoving and territoriality of it (even under normal.circumstances) anywhere near worth it, when you could avoid it all by just relaxing.

To the one who guessed there must have been a GA evacuation and then return at Wrigley before... No, there hasn't. Wrigley has only even had maybe a dozen concerts in its history, and this was a brand new and very new situation for everyone there. I'm sure they learned many lessons that night (ones that will hopefully never need to be put to practice).

milan

Beware the Lists.

At the end of Berlin 1 2012 (for which we had seats) we went passed the 10c queue for Berlin 2 ( for which we had GA standing and early entry) and guess what there was already a List. There were only a couple of people running the list but there were 20+ names already on the list. Where were these 20+ people - you guessed it they were still on the rail having not yet got out of the first show.

The claim that it is run by the fans for the fans is true but really it benefits the very limited number of fans and their friends.

It happened all across Europe for the last few tours - the same people get the barrier every show.

Say NO to lists.

pdalowsky

milan wrote:

Beware the Lists.

At the end of Berlin 1 2012 (for which we had seats) we went passed the 10c queue for Berlin 2 ( for which we had GA standing and early entry) and guess what there was already a List. There were only a couple of people running the list but there were 20+ names already on the list. Where were these 20+ people - you guessed it they were still on the rail having not yet got out of the first show.

The claim that it is run by the fans for the fans is true but really it benefits the very limited number of fans and their friends.

It happened all across Europe for the last few tours - the same people get the barrier every show.

Say NO to lists.

That list was actually destroyed....a new one was started and an hourly roll call held to check attendance, anyone not there to claim their number was struck off.

milan

"Meet the new boss .... same as the old boss"

rafie

milan wrote:

Beware the Lists.

At the end of Berlin 1 2012 (for which we had seats) we went passed the 10c queue for Berlin 2 ( for which we had GA standing and early entry) and guess what there was already a List. There were only a couple of people running the list but there were 20+ names already on the list. Where were these 20+ people - you guessed it they were still on the rail having not yet got out of the first show.

The claim that it is run by the fans for the fans is true but really it benefits the very limited number of fans and their friends.

It happened all across Europe for the last few tours - the same people get the barrier every show.

Say NO to lists.

That list was actually redone a couple of times before the morning of the second show. People who signed up and left for the night were removed. I got there around 9:30 (or was it 7:30 - don't remember) and was number 60.
With that said, that show was the worst example of a list for the entire euro 2012 tour. The people who were there know what I am talking about....

Kathi

rafie wrote:

milan wrote:

Beware the Lists.

At the end of Berlin 1 2012 (for which we had seats) we went passed the 10c queue for Berlin 2 ( for which we had GA standing and early entry) and guess what there was already a List. There were only a couple of people running the list but there were 20+ names already on the list. Where were these 20+ people - you guessed it they were still on the rail having not yet got out of the first show.

The claim that it is run by the fans for the fans is true but really it benefits the very limited number of fans and their friends.

It happened all across Europe for the last few tours - the same people get the barrier every show.

Say NO to lists.

That list was actually redone a couple of times before the morning of the second show. People who signed up and left for the night were removed. I got there around 9:30 (or was it 7:30 - don't remember) and was number 60.
With that said, that show was the worst example of a list for the entire euro 2012 tour. The people who were there know what I am talking about....

yup. the italian job.. honestly, this was the only time I've seen a big list fuckup in the last euro tour. and that was onky due to the people who ran it (who left during indifference to start a list, and suddenly installed check up times, which had never been the case with any other people running the list. it was just a big group of people on a power trip.

I'm not saying the list is flawless, but if it's run by halfway decent people, it can definitely be of help.

on2legs

PJ_Soul wrote:

A truly ideal plan would be for everyone to chill the fuck out about being on the rail. I heard there was tons of room in the pit (too much). Why not try for a culture change, where people go to the rail and the move from the rail to give others a chance too? A pit culture where no one is freaking out because they are 20 feet from the stage rather than 12? I just don't get it. Wow, if I'd had GA the other night, I would have held back and calmly strolled back put into the pit and enjoyed being as close as the back of the pit got me, or the middle. But it seems people would rather involve themselves in a stampede situation and then start crying about it. I can't say I feel bad for a single one of you who got mixed up in that and found it awful, since you chose to participate in it even though there was plenty of room for everyone. I'm baffled by this drive for the rail and intend sense of competition for it. I simply can't fathom why anyone considers all the waiting and the lists and the foot races and the pushing and shoving and territoriality of it (even under normal.circumstances) anywhere near worth it, when you could avoid it all by just relaxing.

To the one who guessed there must have been a GA evacuation and then return at Wrigley before... No, there hasn't. Wrigley has only even had maybe a dozen concerts in its history, and this was a brand new and very new situation for everyone there. I'm sure they learned many lessons that night (ones that will hopefully never need to be put to practice).

Well said.

I think people forget that the whole concept of GA is General Admission which means you don't get to claim a spot as yours for the whole night if you leave said spot. I think they have it confused with Reserved Seating.

gfnk001

The list worked wonderfully. Those who are opposed seem to be the elitists. I was there from 6am until we were let in at 5:30, it was great. Once on the rail the numbers are obsolete and it's up to you to keep your spot. But if you earn the rail and need to go piss, then you should be able to go piss. There was only one guy who was totally opposed to having a number put on his hand, but we still let him in our line because we are not elitists. So kudos to Graham.

2-feign-reluctance

Circle and Line - great tune..needs its own thread...