Edit: Mayor Rob Ford admits to smoking crack

polaris_x

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

DarthMaeglin said:

polaris_x said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Rest in peace, Rob, he fought his cancer bravely, but I feel we also need to acknowledge that, by all reports he did overcome his addiction issues, which is an accomplishment in itself. Granted, it took time for him to own up to them and face his addictions (which is typical of most addicts), but since he checked himself into rehab, there've been zero stories about any sort of relapse.

I always supported his policies, but admit that his "antics" became less and less defensible over time. I was proud of him, though, that when he finally faced his demons he overcame them, only to be given the sucker punch of the cancer diagnosis.

Again, all sympathy to his family and friends, as well as Ford Nation.

i don't think there is anything to prove he overcame any addictions ... this is a guy who entered a very public weight loss challenge with his brother and was busted for going to kfc in the middle of the night ... his demons were very strong ...

this is not meant to kick him down only that he doesn't really deserve anymore praise for stuff he didn't really do ...

I'm curious as to your sources, beyond his pre-rehab behaviour.

I'm sorry, but living in Toronto, I can't help but believe that if he'd returned to his drug-using ways there would have been reports or (more likely) some more hidden camera video surface of that behaviour.

I'm not sure that those who don't live in this city realize the local media treatment of our former mayor, but for me it was at times disgusting (especially the "warrior princess episode). Given that history, I have to believe that, as I said, if he fallen off the wagon we would've been sure to know.

As someone trying to quit cigarettes, I know well how strong addictions can be, but also know they can be beaten.

I also think part of my problem here is people commenting in this thread, calling someone a fuckhead on the very day that person died, without a hint of compassion for the man.

This is the very deep hatred that liberals always carry and show whenever they want. They refuse to believe that their inner core is vile hate against someone who does not act like them. Knock a liberal when their dead and watch out! Racist!

classic

DarthMaeglin

polaris_x said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

DarthMaeglin said:

polaris_x said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Rest in peace, Rob, he fought his cancer bravely, but I feel we also need to acknowledge that, by all reports he did overcome his addiction issues, which is an accomplishment in itself. Granted, it took time for him to own up to them and face his addictions (which is typical of most addicts), but since he checked himself into rehab, there've been zero stories about any sort of relapse.

I always supported his policies, but admit that his "antics" became less and less defensible over time. I was proud of him, though, that when he finally faced his demons he overcame them, only to be given the sucker punch of the cancer diagnosis.

Again, all sympathy to his family and friends, as well as Ford Nation.

i don't think there is anything to prove he overcame any addictions ... this is a guy who entered a very public weight loss challenge with his brother and was busted for going to kfc in the middle of the night ... his demons were very strong ...

this is not meant to kick him down only that he doesn't really deserve anymore praise for stuff he didn't really do ...

I'm curious as to your sources, beyond his pre-rehab behaviour.

I'm sorry, but living in Toronto, I can't help but believe that if he'd returned to his drug-using ways there would have been reports or (more likely) some more hidden camera video surface of that behaviour.

I'm not sure that those who don't live in this city realize the local media treatment of our former mayor, but for me it was at times disgusting (especially the "warrior princess episode). Given that history, I have to believe that, as I said, if he fallen off the wagon we would've been sure to know.

As someone trying to quit cigarettes, I know well how strong addictions can be, but also know they can be beaten.

I also think part of my problem here is people commenting in this thread, calling someone a fuckhead on the very day that person died, without a hint of compassion for the man.

This is the very deep hatred that liberals always carry and show whenever they want. They refuse to believe that their inner core is vile hate against someone who does not act like them. Knock a liberal when their dead and watch out! Racist!

classic

So the day Eddie Vedder dies, it will be acceptable to come on here and call him an alcoholic because of the seeming fact he can't get through a show without a bottle of wine? Because that's the standard that's being set here (or maybe just followed, I'm still somewhat new to these boards).

Edit: Stepping back in for the moment (see below) to acknowledge this isn't the best comparison, given the nature of this specific board, but I hope the general point is understood without too many feathers being ruffled. Also, sorry for the late edit (comes hours after the post).

PJfanwillneverleave1

DarthMaeglin said:

polaris_x said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

DarthMaeglin said:

polaris_x said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Rest in peace, Rob, he fought his cancer bravely, but I feel we also need to acknowledge that, by all reports he did overcome his addiction issues, which is an accomplishment in itself. Granted, it took time for him to own up to them and face his addictions (which is typical of most addicts), but since he checked himself into rehab, there've been zero stories about any sort of relapse.

I always supported his policies, but admit that his "antics" became less and less defensible over time. I was proud of him, though, that when he finally faced his demons he overcame them, only to be given the sucker punch of the cancer diagnosis.

Again, all sympathy to his family and friends, as well as Ford Nation.

i don't think there is anything to prove he overcame any addictions ... this is a guy who entered a very public weight loss challenge with his brother and was busted for going to kfc in the middle of the night ... his demons were very strong ...

this is not meant to kick him down only that he doesn't really deserve anymore praise for stuff he didn't really do ...

I'm curious as to your sources, beyond his pre-rehab behaviour.

I'm sorry, but living in Toronto, I can't help but believe that if he'd returned to his drug-using ways there would have been reports or (more likely) some more hidden camera video surface of that behaviour.

I'm not sure that those who don't live in this city realize the local media treatment of our former mayor, but for me it was at times disgusting (especially the "warrior princess episode). Given that history, I have to believe that, as I said, if he fallen off the wagon we would've been sure to know.

As someone trying to quit cigarettes, I know well how strong addictions can be, but also know they can be beaten.

I also think part of my problem here is people commenting in this thread, calling someone a fuckhead on the very day that person died, without a hint of compassion for the man.

This is the very deep hatred that liberals always carry and show whenever they want. They refuse to believe that their inner core is vile hate against someone who does not act like them. Knock a liberal when their dead and watch out! Racist!

classic

So the day Eddie Vedder dies, it will be acceptable to come on here and call him an alcoholic because of the seeming fact he can't get through a show without a bottle of wine? Because that's the standard that's being set here (or maybe just followed, I'm still somewhat new to these boards).

IBTL

DarthMaeglin

Sorry, IBTL? I don't go much past lol, lol.

PJfanwillneverleave1

DarthMaeglin said:

Sorry, IBTL? I don't go much past lol, lol.

People should type SALTS instead of LOL
Smiled A Lot Then Stopped, its more truthful.

DarthMaeglin

Please believe me, it saddens me that I've felt I needed to chime in here and try to make the points that I've attempted.

As I've tried to say, give some time to respect the dead and celebrate what they accomplished in life, saving further criticisms for a later date.

That said, I'm going to step away from this thread for the time being, and if I've offended anyone, please accept my sincere apologies, but please also try to hear what I've been saying with an open mind.

polaris_x

DarthMaeglin said:

polaris_x said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

DarthMaeglin said:

polaris_x said:

DarthMaeglin said:

Rest in peace, Rob, he fought his cancer bravely, but I feel we also need to acknowledge that, by all reports he did overcome his addiction issues, which is an accomplishment in itself. Granted, it took time for him to own up to them and face his addictions (which is typical of most addicts), but since he checked himself into rehab, there've been zero stories about any sort of relapse.

I always supported his policies, but admit that his "antics" became less and less defensible over time. I was proud of him, though, that when he finally faced his demons he overcame them, only to be given the sucker punch of the cancer diagnosis.

Again, all sympathy to his family and friends, as well as Ford Nation.

i don't think there is anything to prove he overcame any addictions ... this is a guy who entered a very public weight loss challenge with his brother and was busted for going to kfc in the middle of the night ... his demons were very strong ...

this is not meant to kick him down only that he doesn't really deserve anymore praise for stuff he didn't really do ...

I'm curious as to your sources, beyond his pre-rehab behaviour.

I'm sorry, but living in Toronto, I can't help but believe that if he'd returned to his drug-using ways there would have been reports or (more likely) some more hidden camera video surface of that behaviour.

I'm not sure that those who don't live in this city realize the local media treatment of our former mayor, but for me it was at times disgusting (especially the "warrior princess episode). Given that history, I have to believe that, as I said, if he fallen off the wagon we would've been sure to know.

As someone trying to quit cigarettes, I know well how strong addictions can be, but also know they can be beaten.

I also think part of my problem here is people commenting in this thread, calling someone a fuckhead on the very day that person died, without a hint of compassion for the man.

This is the very deep hatred that liberals always carry and show whenever they want. They refuse to believe that their inner core is vile hate against someone who does not act like them. Knock a liberal when their dead and watch out! Racist!

classic

So the day Eddie Vedder dies, it will be acceptable to come on here and call him an alcoholic because of the seeming fact he can't get through a show without a bottle of wine? Because that's the standard that's being set here (or maybe just followed, I'm still somewhat new to these boards).

dude ... one person ... ONE ... talked about the things he did ... and you guys are going on about some mass shitting on him ... simply not the case ...

BS44325

rgambs said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

He was my mayor. I voted for him twice. He will be missed.

Edit - Voted for him once! Voted for Doug the second time! My bad.

Yuck. I can't believe you voted for either one of those creeps. Geez.

While I don't support their "antics" I certainly supported their policies...protectors of the taxpayers! Like I always said...other politicians wanted to hurt me...Rob Ford only wanted to hurt himself.

I think corrupt politicians hurt a lot more than themselves. I never understood how some people could not mind having corrupt, lying assholes as their leaders. Throw doing crack and hanging with gangbangers in there, and it blows my mind that anyone could support that fuckhead. How does one explain to their kids that the mayor does crack and lies through his teeth and is mixed up in shady business, but that he's still a good man to vote for??

I was able to explain this to my three kids pretty easily.

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

He was my mayor. I voted for him twice. He will be missed.

Edit - Voted for him once! Voted for Doug the second time! My bad.

Yuck. I can't believe you voted for either one of those creeps. Geez.

While I don't support their "antics" I certainly supported their policies...protectors of the taxpayers! Like I always said...other politicians wanted to hurt me...Rob Ford only wanted to hurt himself.

I think corrupt politicians hurt a lot more than themselves. I never understood how some people could not mind having corrupt, lying assholes as their leaders. Throw doing crack and hanging with gangbangers in there, and it blows my mind that anyone could support that fuckhead. How does one explain to their kids that the mayor does crack and lies through his teeth and is mixed up in shady business, but that he's still a good man to vote for??

I was able to explain this to my three kids pretty easily.

Hahaha I am picturing that conversation...
"Kids, it doesn't really matter if a candidate is honest, or has integrity or honor, it doesn't matter if he/she is addicted to hard drugs, and it doesn't matter if he/she is known to spend time with violent criminals, all that matters is that Daddy's taxes go down!"

It was more like "Rob Ford is addicted to crack but his political opponents are addicted to spending...only one of those addictions in the long run will actually hurt you."

PJ_Soul

Oh, so you didn't tell them the truth. Kay cool.

BS44325

PJ_Soul said:

Oh, so you didn't tell them the truth. Kay cool.

What else is missing?

PJ_Soul

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh, so you didn't tell them the truth. Kay cool.

What else is missing?

That he was a corrupt politician with criminals for friends and that he was a liar.

polaris_x

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh, so you didn't tell them the truth. Kay cool.

What else is missing?

That he was a corrupt politician with criminals for friends and that he was a liar.

rob ford was a lot of things but corrupt isn't necessarily one of them ..

DarthMaeglin

Just stepping back in for a few seconds to point out an edit/acknowledgment added to my previous post about Vedder, so that it might not be missed.

PJ_Soul

polaris_x said:

PJ_Soul said:

BS44325 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Oh, so you didn't tell them the truth. Kay cool.

What else is missing?

That he was a corrupt politician with criminals for friends and that he was a liar.

rob ford was a lot of things but corrupt isn't necessarily one of them ..

I disagree. There were plenty of complaints against him for civil corruption. And wtf was the deal with that laundromat??

TL170678

Who cares that he smoked crack? Obama used to snort coke, Bush too....I imagine most career politicians have vices.... I think it is a requirement to be a republican in DC to murder a hooker.

lukin2006

RIP Rob Ford. He certainly was quite the character, good and bad. Watching the media coverage on him, one thing stood out above all else in the comments from some of his constituents...he apparently always returned emails, text messages and phone calls promptly, and at the end of the day maybe thats why people supported him, because after all that is really what i believe most people want is their voice heard not ignored.

PJ_Soul

^^ Lol!
And I've done coke too. So?
When you are talking about a politician who is in office and has a crack problem, I'd say that only an idiot wouldn't care about that.
But at any rate, the drug use isn't the only thing I've been talking about and isn't even my main focus. But nevertheless... a crack addict. In office. Come on. Raise your standards just a bit. We should expect more of the people who are running the show.

pickupyourwill

Wow, after reading many of the comments I do see he had many questionable things going on. But that age is still too young to die--very stress-related.
All the best to Ford's family. RIP

lukin2006

PJ_Soul said:

^^ Lol!
And I've done coke too. So?
When you are talking about a politician who is in office and has a crack problem, I'd say that only an idiot wouldn't care about that.
But at any rate, the drug use isn't the only thing I've been talking about and isn't even my main focus. But nevertheless... a crack addict. In office. Come on. Raise your standards just a bit. We should expect more of the people who are running the show.

Then you'll be disappointed more often than not when it comes to politicians. How many politicians are slamming back booze on a nightly basis. Amazing how our society decides what substance is worse than others. And when it comes to electing politicians our society has no standards...here in Canada federally and provincially we elect either the liberals or conservative more times than not...yeah they've done such terrific job.

PJ_Soul

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

^^ Lol!
And I've done coke too. So?
When you are talking about a politician who is in office and has a crack problem, I'd say that only an idiot wouldn't care about that.
But at any rate, the drug use isn't the only thing I've been talking about and isn't even my main focus. But nevertheless... a crack addict. In office. Come on. Raise your standards just a bit. We should expect more of the people who are running the show.

Then you'll be disappointed more often than not when it comes to politicians. How many politicians are slamming back booze on a nightly basis. Amazing how our society decides what substance is worse than others. And when it comes to electing politicians our society has no standards...here in Canada federally and provincially we elect either the liberals or conservative more times than not...yeah they've done such terrific job.

Yes indeed I am disappointed more often than not when it comes to politicians. That is an understatement. I feel like a politician who is actually simply a decent human being an absolute phenomenon. And that means what? That because politicians are generally scum, I should be cool with politicians being corrupt, lying crack addict scum? Or, if it makes you feel better to mention it foe the sake of equality, i should be cool with corrupt, lying, alcoholic scum, as the case may be?