Should Pearl Jam Play in Israel?
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This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.0 -
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.0 -
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Get it thru your head PJ will never ever perform in Israel ok take that to your bank yeah yeah poor Israelí population yet you fail to give the same sympathy to the suppressed Palestinian fans !BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.0 -
I don't expect Pearl Jam Israel.josevolution said:
Get it thru your head PJ will never ever perform in Israel ok take that to your bank yeah yeah poor Israelí population yet you fail to give the same sympathy to the suppressed Palestinian fans !BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
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why advocate for something that will not come to pass?? seems like an awful waste of time, energy, and keystrokes.BS44325 said:
I don't expect Pearl Jam Israel.josevolution said:
Get it thru your head PJ will never ever perform in Israel ok take that to your bank yeah yeah poor Israelí population yet you fail to give the same sympathy to the suppressed Palestinian fans !BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
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No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
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I am not sure that I am advocating for them to play Israel. As always I advocate for the band to do whatever it is they want to do. They have never taken a stand in this issue in any firm sense and my guess is they won't. To play there requires real courage...the kind that loses friends and a portion of the fan base. I believe Pearl Jam has that type of courage but whether they choose to deploy it is up to them. Then keystrokes on here are only meant to alert the forum that many of their fans will still support them should they choose to do so.gimmesometruth27 said:
why advocate for something that will not come to pass?? seems like an awful waste of time, energy, and keystrokes.BS44325 said:
I don't expect Pearl Jam Israel.josevolution said:
Get it thru your head PJ will never ever perform in Israel ok take that to your bank yeah yeah poor Israelí population yet you fail to give the same sympathy to the suppressed Palestinian fans !BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
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BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
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There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.BS44325 said:
BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Your tone begs to differ. You do it to yourself you do and that's what really hurts. You do it to yourself it's true, you and no one else. You do it to yourself.Halifax2TheMax said:
There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.BS44325 said:
BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
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what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech?BS44325 said:
BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.0 -
In the word of a former poster, "bahahahaha."BS44325 said:
Your tone begs to differ. You do it to yourself you do and that's what really hurts. You do it to yourself it's true, you and no one else. You do it to yourself.Halifax2TheMax said:
There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.BS44325 said:
BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR; 05/03/2025, New Orleans, LA;
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Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.JC29856 said:
what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech?BS44325 said:
BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.0 -
Yes....bahahahahHalifax2TheMax said:
In the word of a former poster, "bahahahaha."BS44325 said:
Your tone begs to differ. You do it to yourself you do and that's what really hurts. You do it to yourself it's true, you and no one else. You do it to yourself.Halifax2TheMax said:
There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.BS44325 said:
BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/18/dont-tell-radiohead-it-cant-tour-in-israel/amp/
The show is about to start in a few hours and Roger's relevancy dies with the first note. You can follow along here...
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/radiohead/2017/park-hayarkon-tel-aviv-israel-23e5b437.html
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Fuck radio head and their support of an apartheid regime. They suck.BS44325 said:
Yes....bahahahahHalifax2TheMax said:
In the word of a former poster, "bahahahaha."BS44325 said:
Your tone begs to differ. You do it to yourself you do and that's what really hurts. You do it to yourself it's true, you and no one else. You do it to yourself.Halifax2TheMax said:
There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.BS44325 said:
BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
http://nypost.com/2017/07/18/dont-tell-radiohead-it-cant-tour-in-israel/amp/
The show is about to start in a few hours and Roger's relevancy dies with the first note. You can follow along here...
https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/radiohead/2017/park-hayarkon-tel-aviv-israel-23e5b437.html
Solid sound check
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we agree that this cannot be anymore hypocritical?BS44325 said:
Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.JC29856 said:
what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech?BS44325 said:
BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.jta.org/2017/07/17/news-opinion/united-states/roger-waters-concert-on-long-island-violates-anti-bds-law-lawmaker-says/
http://www.spin.com/2017/07/roger-waters-bds-long-island-israel/
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It might be hypocritical...I am not sure yet and find it interesting as a point of law. Again I am not for shutting down Roger's right to perform or speak...his concert should go on. That being said I am not aware of what level of public dollars Nassau Coliseum receives. If Nassau receives public funds then certainly by law it cannot host a BDS event. A Roger Waters concert however is not a "BDS event" even if he personally supports it. The owner's of Nassaue Coliseum (I assume it's privately owned but don't know) might have to consider though whether it's reasonable to assume that a Roger Waters concert could become a platform for BDS which thereby affect there future ability to receive public funds and/or subsidies. Again this law doesn't prevent Rogers ability to speak anywhere in the state but it does prevent public dollars from flowing to him and/or associated businesses. I personally think his show should go on either way but don't find it objectionable that taxpayers do not want there money going to him or to associated businesses if he choose to make this show a platform for BDS.JC29856 said:
we agree that this cannot be anymore hypocritical?BS44325 said:
Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.JC29856 said:
what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech?BS44325 said:
BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable.Halifax2TheMax said:
No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.BS44325 said:
Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man.Halifax2TheMax said:
Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.BS44325 said:
Vicious yes. Blood dripping no.Halifax2TheMax said:
Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?BS44325 said:This is an important voice...
http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086
It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.
While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:
http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/
Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
https://www.google.com/amp/www.jta.org/2017/07/17/news-opinion/united-states/roger-waters-concert-on-long-island-violates-anti-bds-law-lawmaker-says/
http://www.spin.com/2017/07/roger-waters-bds-long-island-israel/
*Just to add...I am surprised that Roger Waters is willing to perform in states with anti-BDS laws on the books. If he was a true believer like he says he is then he should probably boycott these states as well. You would assume that in his eyes this anti-BDS legislation would be worse then a North Carolina bathroom law.Post edited by BS44325 on0
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