Should Pearl Jam Play in Israel?
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wow...that's news to me. unbelievable. interesting readBentleyspop said:0 -
You posted a link to a story about it in this thread two days agoJC29856 said:
wow...that's news to me. unbelievable. interesting readBentleyspop said:0 -
Maybe AIPAC wrote the bill and the 'author' didn't even read it?josevolution said:
criminal penalties aren't noted in the bill...it references a statute that contains them (so they are there, but somewhat hidden...so well that the author doesn't seem to know about them). BDS is taking the position that it does not target individuals...they're worried the coverage suggesting it does will scare ppl away from BDS. The ACLU says it violates the first amendement. Does anyone think criminal charges would hold up in the courts? What a colossal waste of money....just a marketing campaign for AIPAC, with bipartisan support.
I'd love to see a breakdown of 'expert guests' - pro and con BDS, on mainstream networks while this is story is covered.Post edited by Drowned Out on0 -
Only if they parody Trump and Bibi? TrumpLeauger? Bibi in the Sand?
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Nick Cave gets it just right
http://www.tabletmag.com/scroll/249845/nick-cave-to-roger-waters-youre-the-reason-im-playing-israel
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These poor, poor victims. Nick Cave, thank you for making a principaled stance on behalf of all those tens of bullied musicians, whom for at least a month or two in their difficult, globe trotting lives, must endure words. Critical ones! From a peer, no less. All in exchange for what I’m sure is peanuts from Israeli promoters.
I mean...it takes such bravery to not only ignore the points BDS makes, but to victim blame....in a time that victim blaming is so passé. That, my friends, is courage personified.
Like...Just right...
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Pearl Jam won’t play Israel! Sad! Boycott Pearl Jam! No US tour until Eddy Veddar meets Bibi! USA!
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FAKE TWEET REMOVEDHalifax2TheMax said:Latest tweet from President Trump folks. His Tweet is in bold.
Pearl Jam won’t play Israel! Sad! Boycott Pearl Jam! No US tour until Eddy Veddar meets Bibi! USA!Post edited by Thoughts_Arrive onAdelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/20140 -
Fake news. Sad!Thoughts_Arrive said:Halifax2TheMax said:Latest tweet from President Trump folks. His Tweet is in bold.
Pearl Jam won’t play Israel! Sad! Boycott Pearl Jam! No US tour until Eddy Veddar meets Bibi! USA!
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Was that the 5th or 6th lie of the day from Trump?Thoughts_Arrive said:Halifax2TheMax said:Latest tweet from President Trump folks. His Tweet is in bold.
Pearl Jam won’t play Israel! Sad! Boycott Pearl Jam! No US tour until Eddy Veddar meets Bibi! USA!09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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You should probably remove that fake tweet before Kat or Sea do it. Several have been warned for that.Thoughts_Arrive said:Halifax2TheMax said:Latest tweet from President Trump folks. His Tweet is in bold.
Pearl Jam won’t play Israel! Sad! Boycott Pearl Jam! No US tour until Eddy Veddar meets Bibi! USA!It's a hopeless situation...0 -
Are you serious?tbergs said:
You should probably remove that fake tweet before Kat or Sea do it. Several have been warned for that.Thoughts_Arrive said:Halifax2TheMax said:Latest tweet from President Trump folks. His Tweet is in bold.
Pearl Jam won’t play Israel! Sad! Boycott Pearl Jam! No US tour until Eddy Veddar meets Bibi! USA!Adelaide 17/11/2009, Melbourne 20/11/2009, Sydney 22/11/2009, Melbourne (Big Day Out Festival) 24/01/20140 -
He is. It's true. No fake tweets allowed, because some people don't know they're fake, especially those who might see it out of context (these boards are available to the general public). Kat doesn't want fake news starting here. I think that's fair.Thoughts_Arrive said:
Are you serious?tbergs said:
You should probably remove that fake tweet before Kat or Sea do it. Several have been warned for that.Thoughts_Arrive said:Halifax2TheMax said:Latest tweet from President Trump folks. His Tweet is in bold.
Pearl Jam won’t play Israel! Sad! Boycott Pearl Jam! No US tour until Eddy Veddar meets Bibi! USA!
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Drowned Out said:These poor, poor victims. Nick Cave, thank you for making a principaled stance on behalf of all those tens of bullied musicians, whom for at least a month or two in their difficult, globe trotting lives, must endure words. Critical ones! From a peer, no less. All in exchange for what I’m sure is peanuts from Israeli promoters.
I mean...it takes such bravery to not only ignore the points BDS makes, but to victim blame....in a time that victim blaming is so passé. That, my friends, is courage personified.
Like...Just right...Nick Cave is right. He wants to play his music to his fans wherever they may live. Roger Waters believes that there is a political test in where you play. That is his prerogative and he should feel free to announce to the world why he is not playing Israel, and encourage other bands/musicians to do the same. But he shouldn't bully people, and if you are fine with that, you should be fine with Nick Cave's response to then.
I guess Roger doesn't believe in the power of music to effect change. His loss. Why anyone would want to see him perform Pink Floyd songs without the rest of the band escapes me. "Hey, do you want to go see the second best voice from Pink Floyd without the legendary guitarist either?" "Ummm, no."
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Waters believes there is a political test in where you play? Never heard that.
He supports a peaceful protest movement, for an oppressed people.
Everyone knows that anything to do with Israel is political. No way around it. Nick Cave accepted that but ignored the politics. Did he make a speech about healing thru music? reconciliation or peace or human rights? Maybe I missed that. I thought he admitted to booking the show out of spite...picked a fight with Waters then cried about being bullied by a 70 year old
the micro and the macro, eh? Typical tactic of Israel in politics and war, throughout the nation’s history: be the aggressor but play victim.
If Waters bullies people, then you and I are bullying each other right now. I guess Cave doesn’t believe in the power of civil discourse in effecting change, since he isn’t addressing BDS, he is addressing his own feelings of victimization.
I’d be surprised if it isn’t in this thread already...you might not want to read it, but this is a great article on Waters playing Israel and trying to use music effect change:
https://www.haaretz.com/news/1.668705
“The gig was fantastic. But – and it’s a big ‘but’ – at the end, I made a short political speech, and suddenly it was as if I was from Mars when I suggested this was the generation of young Israelis that should make peace with their neighbors. They went very, very quiet. Afterward, I thought about the implications of travel restrictions and realized it was pretty unlikely that there were any Palestinians or Arabs in the audience, and I felt really bad about that.”Did you feel all the love directed at you?
“Yes, it was fantastic, I could feel it. Maybe I shouldn’t tell you this story, but I will. When I visited Jenin [in 2009], I met Ismail, the father whose son was at the center of the movie ‘The Heart of Jenin,’ about the Palestinian boy who was shot…”
And his organs were donated to Israelis.
“And they donated his organs, so it was very emotional. And then they said to me in Jerusalem, ‘Will you come and talk to the students at the film school?’ And I thought: What a great opportunity.
“So I turn up one day, and everyone’s all bubbling and there’s a room with about 150 young people and all their teachers standing around, and it couldn’t have been more welcoming. I thanked them for having me and asked what we should talk about. And they were silent, so I said, ‘Alright, I’ll tell you what we should talk about. How many of you have seen the documentary ‘Heart of Jenin’? And they might just as well have had stainless-steel shutters behind their eyelids.
“I started to talk about it, but it was like I had turned into a Martian or something. Suddenly, you could see the distaste and horror that I would be mentioning this. And I got quite angry. I didn’t shout at them but I said: ‘There is something wrong with this picture.’ So as wonderful and as full of love as playing to that audience of young people was, this was horrific.”
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Q: what was the most concrete example of music effecting change?
A: the cultural boycott of apartheid South Africa.
I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that it would escape you why anyone would want to see the main creative force behind one of the biggest rock bands ever, live. Take a side in the floyd tiff, sure...but saying he’s not worth seeing live is a laughably transparent example of butt hurt.
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