These poor, poor victims. Nick Cave, thank you for making a principaled stance on behalf of all those tens of bullied musicians, whom for at least a month or two in their difficult, globe trotting lives, must endure words. Critical ones! From a peer, no less. All in exchange for what I’m sure is peanuts from Israeli promoters. I mean...it takes such bravery to not only ignore the points BDS makes, but to victim blame....in a time that victim blaming is so passé. That, my friends, is courage personified. Like...Just right...
Nick Cave is right. He wants to play his music to his fans wherever they may live. Roger Waters believes that there is a political test in where you play. That is his prerogative and he should feel free to announce to the world why he is not playing Israel, and encourage other bands/musicians to do the same. But he shouldn't bully people, and if you are fine with that, you should be fine with Nick Cave's response to then.
I guess Roger doesn't believe in the power of music to effect change. His loss. Why anyone would want to see him perform Pink Floyd songs without the rest of the band escapes me. "Hey, do you want to go see the second best voice from Pink Floyd without the legendary guitarist either?" "Ummm, no."
Ummm. Yes. His shows are awesome.
Nick Cave? Terrible. Who cares what he has to say about Roger Waters. Comparing the two is like comparing the Patriots and the Browns organizations. He's small time. A pee wee.
Go ahead... play Israel. Play wherever else they are desperate for music and will pay such a small timer too. Nobody cares. Have you ever heard any buzz like this, "Holy shit. Nick Cave is going on tour. We have to go! Tickets are going to be impossible to get."
Apparently he is so small time that Waters group sent him an open letter not to play Israel.
No one can deny Waters’ talent and creativity, but the 70’s was a long time ago and I would rather see someone who still releases quality music throughout their career. Tom Petty was a good example of that. Bruce Springsteen too. I think Nick Cave is an amazing artist and performer. I really enjoy his movie score work as well. I really respect Trent Reznor and the work he does on movie scores. These artists that are passionate about their craft and continually changing. Releasing 4 albums in 30 years and touring off your music in the 70’s doesn’t really appeal to me.
so you haven't heard his new record? it's awesome. I WISH I had the money to go see him when he came here a few weeks ago. I heard it was amazing.
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These poor, poor victims. Nick Cave, thank you for making a principaled stance on behalf of all those tens of bullied musicians, whom for at least a month or two in their difficult, globe trotting lives, must endure words. Critical ones! From a peer, no less. All in exchange for what I’m sure is peanuts from Israeli promoters. I mean...it takes such bravery to not only ignore the points BDS makes, but to victim blame....in a time that victim blaming is so passé. That, my friends, is courage personified. Like...Just right...
Nick Cave is right. He wants to play his music to his fans wherever they may live. Roger Waters believes that there is a political test in where you play. That is his prerogative and he should feel free to announce to the world why he is not playing Israel, and encourage other bands/musicians to do the same. But he shouldn't bully people, and if you are fine with that, you should be fine with Nick Cave's response to then.
I guess Roger doesn't believe in the power of music to effect change. His loss. Why anyone would want to see him perform Pink Floyd songs without the rest of the band escapes me. "Hey, do you want to go see the second best voice from Pink Floyd without the legendary guitarist either?" "Ummm, no."
Ummm. Yes. His shows are awesome.
Nick Cave? Terrible. Who cares what he has to say about Roger Waters. Comparing the two is like comparing the Patriots and the Browns organizations. He's small time. A pee wee.
Go ahead... play Israel. Play wherever else they are desperate for music and will pay such a small timer too. Nobody cares. Have you ever heard any buzz like this, "Holy shit. Nick Cave is going on tour. We have to go! Tickets are going to be impossible to get."
Apparently he is so small time that Waters group sent him an open letter not to play Israel.
No one can deny Waters’ talent and creativity, but the 70’s was a long time ago and I would rather see someone who still releases quality music throughout their career. Tom Petty was a good example of that. Bruce Springsteen too. I think Nick Cave is an amazing artist and performer. I really enjoy his movie score work as well. I really respect Trent Reznor and the work he does on movie scores. These artists that are passionate about their craft and continually changing. Releasing 4 albums in 30 years and touring off your music in the 70’s doesn’t really appeal to me.
so you haven't heard his new record? it's awesome. I WISH I had the money to go see him when he came here a few weeks ago. I heard it was amazing.
'twas a great show, and I fully agree about his new record. Absolutely killer.
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
Axl did it Madonna did it Cliff Richard did it Radiohead did it Aerosmith did it.
Pearl Jam should do it.
Right, so that the next time this conversation comes up, Pearl Jam can be added to this list and used to normalize Israel, influencing the discussion. Thanks for proving that point.
Axl did it Madonna did it Cliff Richard did it Radiohead did it Aerosmith did it.
Pearl Jam should do it.
Right, so that the next time this conversation comes up, Pearl Jam can be added to this list and used to normalize Israel, influencing the discussion. Thanks for proving that point.
No, Pearl Jam would just be playing a concert. I don’t agree with the Israeli government’s actions but it has nothing to do with Pearl Jam. Ed should give his speech and try to effect change.
After the latest from this president you can take all your $ and bet it on the house that this band will never ever play a single note in this region !
You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?
Maybe. Are you going to start the “PJ must boycott all countries that recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital!” movement. A committed BDS guy like yourself can’t really let the Prague show go on can you?
You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?
Maybe. Are you going to start the “PJ must boycott all countries that recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital!” movement. A committed BDS guy like yourself can’t really let the Prague show go on can you?
I’m comfortable in my knowledge that Pear Jam will never play an apartheid state like Israel and lend them any kind of legitimacy that such an act would convey.
You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?
Maybe. Are you going to start the “PJ must boycott all countries that recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital!” movement. A committed BDS guy like yourself can’t really let the Prague show go on can you?
You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?
Maybe. Are you going to start the “PJ must boycott all countries that recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital!” movement. A committed BDS guy like yourself can’t really let the Prague show go on can you?
that's easy. it is pretty much just the US and czech republic.
pj should cancel that prague show. put their money where their mouth is.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?
Maybe. Are you going to start the “PJ must boycott all countries that recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital!” movement. A committed BDS guy like yourself can’t really let the Prague show go on can you?
that's easy. it is pretty much just the US and czech republic.
pj should cancel that prague show. put their money where their mouth is.
You bringing your “Please Play Israel” on the front and “Nick Cave Did” on the back sign to Prague?
Maybe. Are you going to start the “PJ must boycott all countries that recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital!” movement. A committed BDS guy like yourself can’t really let the Prague show go on can you?
that's easy. it is pretty much just the US and czech republic.
pj should cancel that prague show. put their money where their mouth is.
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
Hilarious. By that logic, every Comfortably Numb cover slams that door shut.
I am making the point that those who assumed every Comfortably Numb cover indicates that the door is already shut have no idea what they are talking about.
Hilarious. By that logic, every Comfortably Numb cover slams that door shut.
I am making the point that those who assumed every Comfortably Numb cover indicates that the door is already shut have no idea what they are talking about.
You seem to be pretty lost yourself.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Hilarious. By that logic, every Comfortably Numb cover slams that door shut.
I am making the point that those who assumed every Comfortably Numb cover indicates that the door is already shut have no idea what they are talking about.
I don’t think we need to talk about PJ playing Israel because regardless of politics, they aren’t going to play Israel. Old dogs don’t learn new tricks.
I don’t think we need to talk about PJ playing Israel because regardless of politics, they aren’t going to play Israel. Old dogs don’t learn new tricks.
Hilarious. By that logic, every Comfortably Numb cover slams that door shut.
I am making the point that those who assumed every Comfortably Numb cover indicates that the door is already shut have no idea what they are talking about.
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Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
No, Pearl Jam would just be playing a concert. I don’t agree with the Israeli government’s actions but it has nothing to do with Pearl Jam. Ed should give his speech and try to effect change.
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pj should cancel that prague show. put their money where their mouth is.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Not today Sir, Probably not tomorrow.............................................. bayfront arena st. pete '94
you're finally here and I'm a mess................................................... nationwide arena columbus '10
memories like fingerprints are slowly raising.................................... first niagara center buffalo '13
another man ..... moved by sleight of hand...................................... joe louis arena detroit '14
And the door creaks open ever so slightly...
Here’s a little refresher for you
https://www.google.ca/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/music/2017/nov/22/brian-eno-and-roger-waters-scorn-nick-caves-principled-stand-to-play-in-israel