Should Pearl Jam Play in Israel?
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I agree. Pretty weak shit.Drowned Out said:What is he right about? All he did was whine about being called out. After weeks of silence on this, he lays this turd. He didn't even address the topic.
He bitches that others 'think' they have the right to talk down to them, but doesn't care to address Palestinian rights - the basis of the discussion?
He claims to be educated on the topic, yet says he doesn't understand what the problem is with playing there....did he understand the cultural boycott of South Africa? Is he playing dumb?
And then he goes on to bitch about someone being disrespectful, while using the word retard in the same sentence.
Really, really weak, Thom.0 -
Missed this post.HughFreakingDillon said:
I was pretty disappointed at his use of that word myself, to be honest.Drowned Out said:What is he right about? All he did was whine about being called out. After weeks of silence on this, he lays this turd. He didn't even address the topic.
He bitches that others 'think' they have the right to talk down to them, but doesn't care to address Palestinian rights - the basis of the discussion?
He claims to be educated on the topic, yet says he doesn't understand what the problem is with playing there....did he understand the cultural boycott of South Africa? Is he playing dumb?
And then he goes on to bitch about someone being disrespectful, while using the word retard in the same sentence.
Really, really weak, Thom.
if he addresses the topic, as he said, all it would start is more Thom bashing. There is no right answer here, and he knows that. He just thinks it's disrespectful that fellow artists went to the media to voice their concerns, instead of doing it face to face. Which I can agree with. All Roger was doing here was calling out one of the bigger musical acts of our generation to further his agenda. Why did he single out Radiohead? Hasn't Cornell played there multiple times? Why didn't he call him out?
youre right - no matter what you do or say on this topic, you will be bashed....
Waters def doesn't single anyone out - he has released open letters to most major artists booked in Israel for years. Not sure if he's ever spoken to or about CC, and I'm not sure why, if he hasn't.
A private call instead of a public letter might have been in order if they were friends - sounds like they don't know each other. Thom says he is informed on this topic....and they booked the show anyway...so what would be said? It sounds like Yorke just wanted to plead his case in private. Maybe say 'the guitarist made me do it' or something.
Waters furthering his agenda publicly is something you and I have been doing here for years. Does Roger Waters owe it to Thom to hear him out on his decision as some kind of rock star courtesy? If there is such a thing, I'm not sure roger waters owes anything to anyone.
And don't forget that it's not just waters making these calls...he is just the most visible and outspoken of the musicians.0 -
The country is normal and cool and euro. They don't need to "trot out" artists to prove it. The artists go there because they know it is true.Drowned Out said:
Playing Israel and ignoring the call to BDS IS viewed by many an endorsement of Israeli politics. And not just on the pro-BDS side. Israeli propagandists repeatedly trot out every artist who performs there as proof of just how normal and cool and euro the country is. Once you make the decision to play there, you have waded into the political minefield that is the occupation of Palestine....whether you like it or not.pjhawks said:
or pretty much any country in the world. surely none in Europe so yea take your cheap shot at the US if it makes you feel betterHughFreakingDillon said:
I go back and forth on this, but I'm kinda with him too. I mean, if war crimes is the barometer, no one should play in the US. Ever.BS44325 said:
and when did playing a show somewhere equate to agreeing with the leadership of said location?
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Sounds like Thom is full of shit about Waters not attempting to contact him.
Waters via Rolling Stone:I read Thom Yorke's interview in Rolling Stone. It needs a reply as it doesn't tell the whole story.
On February 12th, hoping to start a dialogue, I sent an email expressing my concern about Radiohead crossing the BDS picket line to perform in Israel. A few hours later, Thom replied. He was angry. He had misinterpreted my attempt to start a conversation as a threat. So I tried again.
"Hey Thom,
I'm sorry. My letter wasn't meant to be confrontational. I was reaching out to see if we could have the conversation that you talk about in your reply. Can we?
Love, R."
I didn't hear back. So silence prevailed for three weeks until March 4th when I sent a long heartfelt entreaty to Thom asking him again to talk.
In Thom's interview with Andy Greene of Rolling Stone, in referring to Ken Loach and me, he says, "It's deeply distressing that they choose to, rather than engage with us personally, throw shit at us in public."
That is not true, Thom. I have made every effort to engage with you personally, and would still like to have the conversation.
"Not to talk is not an option."
Today is the 50th anniversary of the occupation of Palestine by Israel. Fifty years living under military occupation. Fifty years for a people with no civil rights. Fifty years of no recourse to the law. Fifty years of apartheid.
The BDS picket line exists to shine a light on the predicament of the occupied people of Palestine, both in Palestine and those displaced abroad, and to promote equal civil rights for all the people living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea no matter what their nationality, race or religion. All human life is sacred, every child is our child, exceptionalism is always our enemy. There is no Us or Them, only Us.
Restiamo umani.
Love,
Roger Waters
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before we say either party is full of shit, maybe wait for Thom's response. I also find it curious that the first correspondence that Roger says he sent Thom, he provides zero content, but he quotes from the second email he sent him. Curious.Drowned Out said:Sounds like Thom is full of shit about Waters not attempting to contact him.
Waters via Rolling Stone:I read Thom Yorke's interview in Rolling Stone. It needs a reply as it doesn't tell the whole story.
On February 12th, hoping to start a dialogue, I sent an email expressing my concern about Radiohead crossing the BDS picket line to perform in Israel. A few hours later, Thom replied. He was angry. He had misinterpreted my attempt to start a conversation as a threat. So I tried again.
"Hey Thom,
I'm sorry. My letter wasn't meant to be confrontational. I was reaching out to see if we could have the conversation that you talk about in your reply. Can we?
Love, R."
I didn't hear back. So silence prevailed for three weeks until March 4th when I sent a long heartfelt entreaty to Thom asking him again to talk.
In Thom's interview with Andy Greene of Rolling Stone, in referring to Ken Loach and me, he says, "It's deeply distressing that they choose to, rather than engage with us personally, throw shit at us in public."
That is not true, Thom. I have made every effort to engage with you personally, and would still like to have the conversation.
"Not to talk is not an option."
Today is the 50th anniversary of the occupation of Palestine by Israel. Fifty years living under military occupation. Fifty years for a people with no civil rights. Fifty years of no recourse to the law. Fifty years of apartheid.
The BDS picket line exists to shine a light on the predicament of the occupied people of Palestine, both in Palestine and those displaced abroad, and to promote equal civil rights for all the people living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea no matter what their nationality, race or religion. All human life is sacred, every child is our child, exceptionalism is always our enemy. There is no Us or Them, only Us.
Restiamo umani.
Love,
Roger Waters
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Ya I never caught on to the fact he didn't note the first correspondence. I'd be curious to read it. If Thom took it as a threat, I'd imagine that Waters probably mentioned issuing an open letter requesting they not play. Just a guess.HughFreakingDillon said:
before we say either party is full of shit, maybe wait for Thom's response. I also find it curious that the first correspondence that Roger says he sent Thom, he provides zero content, but he quotes from the second email he sent him. Curious.Drowned Out said:Sounds like Thom is full of shit about Waters not attempting to contact him.
Waters via Rolling Stone:I read Thom Yorke's interview in Rolling Stone. It needs a reply as it doesn't tell the whole story.
On February 12th, hoping to start a dialogue, I sent an email expressing my concern about Radiohead crossing the BDS picket line to perform in Israel. A few hours later, Thom replied. He was angry. He had misinterpreted my attempt to start a conversation as a threat. So I tried again.
"Hey Thom,
I'm sorry. My letter wasn't meant to be confrontational. I was reaching out to see if we could have the conversation that you talk about in your reply. Can we?
Love, R."
I didn't hear back. So silence prevailed for three weeks until March 4th when I sent a long heartfelt entreaty to Thom asking him again to talk.
In Thom's interview with Andy Greene of Rolling Stone, in referring to Ken Loach and me, he says, "It's deeply distressing that they choose to, rather than engage with us personally, throw shit at us in public."
That is not true, Thom. I have made every effort to engage with you personally, and would still like to have the conversation.
"Not to talk is not an option."
Today is the 50th anniversary of the occupation of Palestine by Israel. Fifty years living under military occupation. Fifty years for a people with no civil rights. Fifty years of no recourse to the law. Fifty years of apartheid.
The BDS picket line exists to shine a light on the predicament of the occupied people of Palestine, both in Palestine and those displaced abroad, and to promote equal civil rights for all the people living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea no matter what their nationality, race or religion. All human life is sacred, every child is our child, exceptionalism is always our enemy. There is no Us or Them, only Us.
Restiamo umani.
Love,
Roger Waters
As for Thom being full of shit...he said Waters didn't try to engage him personally...this was the crux of his whining (as you acknowledged). I believe Waters when he says that he did - posting his second letter (even if he didn't post the first), and mentioning that Thom replied is enough 'proof' for me. Thom can reply to that, but unless he claims that Waters is also lying outright and made up the letter and response, I think it's fair to assume that Thom is full of shit. Time may tell...but something tells me Thom won't address this again anytime soon.0 -
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I just know from all the mudslinging that Roger did with David Gilmour over the years, that sometimes what he says is the truth needs to be taken with a grain.Drowned Out said:
Ya I never caught on to the fact he didn't note the first correspondence. I'd be curious to read it. If Thom took it as a threat, I'd imagine that Waters probably mentioned issuing an open letter requesting they not play. Just a guess.HughFreakingDillon said:
before we say either party is full of shit, maybe wait for Thom's response. I also find it curious that the first correspondence that Roger says he sent Thom, he provides zero content, but he quotes from the second email he sent him. Curious.Drowned Out said:Sounds like Thom is full of shit about Waters not attempting to contact him.
Waters via Rolling Stone:I read Thom Yorke's interview in Rolling Stone. It needs a reply as it doesn't tell the whole story.
On February 12th, hoping to start a dialogue, I sent an email expressing my concern about Radiohead crossing the BDS picket line to perform in Israel. A few hours later, Thom replied. He was angry. He had misinterpreted my attempt to start a conversation as a threat. So I tried again.
"Hey Thom,
I'm sorry. My letter wasn't meant to be confrontational. I was reaching out to see if we could have the conversation that you talk about in your reply. Can we?
Love, R."
I didn't hear back. So silence prevailed for three weeks until March 4th when I sent a long heartfelt entreaty to Thom asking him again to talk.
In Thom's interview with Andy Greene of Rolling Stone, in referring to Ken Loach and me, he says, "It's deeply distressing that they choose to, rather than engage with us personally, throw shit at us in public."
That is not true, Thom. I have made every effort to engage with you personally, and would still like to have the conversation.
"Not to talk is not an option."
Today is the 50th anniversary of the occupation of Palestine by Israel. Fifty years living under military occupation. Fifty years for a people with no civil rights. Fifty years of no recourse to the law. Fifty years of apartheid.
The BDS picket line exists to shine a light on the predicament of the occupied people of Palestine, both in Palestine and those displaced abroad, and to promote equal civil rights for all the people living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea no matter what their nationality, race or religion. All human life is sacred, every child is our child, exceptionalism is always our enemy. There is no Us or Them, only Us.
Restiamo umani.
Love,
Roger Waters
As for Thom being full of shit...he said Waters didn't try to engage him personally...this was the crux of his whining (as you acknowledged). I believe Waters when he says that he did - posting his second letter (even if he didn't post the first), and mentioning that Thom replied is enough 'proof' for me. Thom can reply to that, but unless he claims that Waters is also lying outright and made up the letter and response, I think it's fair to assume that Thom is full of shit. Time may tell...but something tells me Thom won't address this again anytime soon.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Radiohead should be called out they could of avoided all the turmoil just by doing a show in Palestine too ! This situation can only be looked at if you play Israel you stand with them ...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0
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Radiohead fans were attacked by Islamists at a Moon Shaped Pool listening party in Turkey...how well do you think one of their concerts would go over in Hamas controlled territoy?josevolution said:Radiohead should be called out they could of avoided all the turmoil just by doing a show in Palestine too ! This situation can only be looked at if you play Israel you stand with them ...0 -
Any band should play any place they want to play!!! Nobody can tell someone where or how they do their work. Props to Radiohead for riding against the wave0
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Next up, a special concert for ISIS!riley540 said:Any band should play any place they want to play!!! Nobody can tell someone where or how they do their work. Props to Radiohead for riding against the waveHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
Like it or not for them to play Israel it shows support for oppression or maybe you don't see the Palestine people as being oppressed?BS44325 said:
Radiohead fans were attacked by Islamists at a Moon Shaped Pool listening party in Turkey...how well do you think one of their concerts would go over in Hamas controlled territoy?josevolution said:Radiohead should be called out they could of avoided all the turmoil just by doing a show in Palestine too ! This situation can only be looked at if you play Israel you stand with them ...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
would you say the same thing for bands who play in america considering how america oppressing many people around the world.josevolution said:
Like it or not for them to play Israel it shows support for oppression or maybe you don't see the Palestine people as being oppressed?BS44325 said:
Radiohead fans were attacked by Islamists at a Moon Shaped Pool listening party in Turkey...how well do you think one of their concerts would go over in Hamas controlled territoy?josevolution said:Radiohead should be called out they could of avoided all the turmoil just by doing a show in Palestine too ! This situation can only be looked at if you play Israel you stand with them ...
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i would not begrudge a band for not wanting to play here because of our foreign policy. doesn't really matter to me though, as most bands i like are bands from north america. i would be upset if like iron maiden, or some european bands refused to play here because of our policies, but uk policies are in line with ours so it is a moot discussion.fife said:
would you say the same thing for bands who play in america considering how america oppressing many people around the world.josevolution said:
Like it or not for them to play Israel it shows support for oppression or maybe you don't see the Palestine people as being oppressed?BS44325 said:
Radiohead fans were attacked by Islamists at a Moon Shaped Pool listening party in Turkey...how well do you think one of their concerts would go over in Hamas controlled territoy?josevolution said:Radiohead should be called out they could of avoided all the turmoil just by doing a show in Palestine too ! This situation can only be looked at if you play Israel you stand with them ..."You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
Yes I would !fife said:
would you say the same thing for bands who play in america considering how america oppressing many people around the world.josevolution said:
Like it or not for them to play Israel it shows support for oppression or maybe you don't see the Palestine people as being oppressed?BS44325 said:
Radiohead fans were attacked by Islamists at a Moon Shaped Pool listening party in Turkey...how well do you think one of their concerts would go over in Hamas controlled territoy?josevolution said:Radiohead should be called out they could of avoided all the turmoil just by doing a show in Palestine too ! This situation can only be looked at if you play Israel you stand with them ...fife said:
would you say the same thing for bands who play in america considering how america oppressing many people around the world.josevolution said:
Like it or not for them to play Israel it shows support for oppression or maybe you don't see the Palestine people as being oppressed?BS44325 said:
Radiohead fans were attacked by Islamists at a Moon Shaped Pool listening party in Turkey...how well do you think one of their concerts would go over in Hamas controlled territoy?josevolution said:Radiohead should be called out they could of avoided all the turmoil just by doing a show in Palestine too ! This situation can only be looked at if you play Israel you stand with them ...jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
thanks for answering the question. I don't know if I agree that if a band plays a place like Isreal or canada or america or any other country means that you support oppression but I am open to being proven wrong on that onejosevolution said:
Yes I would !fife said:
would you say the same thing for bands who play in america considering how america oppressing many people around the world.josevolution said:
Like it or not for them to play Israel it shows support for oppression or maybe you don't see the Palestine people as being oppressed?BS44325 said:
Radiohead fans were attacked by Islamists at a Moon Shaped Pool listening party in Turkey...how well do you think one of their concerts would go over in Hamas controlled territoy?josevolution said:Radiohead should be called out they could of avoided all the turmoil just by doing a show in Palestine too ! This situation can only be looked at if you play Israel you stand with them ...fife said:
would you say the same thing for bands who play in america considering how america oppressing many people around the world.josevolution said:
Like it or not for them to play Israel it shows support for oppression or maybe you don't see the Palestine people as being oppressed?BS44325 said:
Radiohead fans were attacked by Islamists at a Moon Shaped Pool listening party in Turkey...how well do you think one of their concerts would go over in Hamas controlled territoy?josevolution said:Radiohead should be called out they could of avoided all the turmoil just by doing a show in Palestine too ! This situation can only be looked at if you play Israel you stand with them ...
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