New Lottery System

dimitrispearljam

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

after all those years!!!!!

members scored tix for the first time!!!!

EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you 10c..!!

NAILED IT!!!

+ 1 post for me..|!!!whooohoooo bitches!!

Why stop at one post? You could easily make a couple more worthless posts. Just repeat the same crap you always do, and add a bunch of exclamation points. You'll be writing a setlist for the band in no time if you keep the posting up!

i can post all night and day..24/7...

effort you wanted???

you will get it!!!!!!!

i just took days off work for the rest of the year to remind every single minute that there is a new sherriff in town..

and wait for it...




+ 1 post for me..|!!!whooohoooo bitches!!

Beegirl1980

MG79478 wrote:

If you have your wife, sign up, you doubled your odds. Get your best friend to sign up, you tripled your odds. So on and so forth. Chances are most will get their first or second choice,and the cost of a membership is not that much. Not to mention you can have a fake ID, and the people workign the booths will be none the wiser... they have no way of knowing a fake.

As for trading tickets, the point you are missing is that those who have tickets (won via lottery) trade them to others who have tickest (won via lottery). Those who lost have nothing to trade. The rich get richer. If people really wanted to help, and really wanted to get tickets in to the hands of more fans, they wouldn't trade them for other tickets, they would sell them at face value to fans who got shut out.

Obviously if they have 100,000 tickets, the method of distribution will not change the number given out. The question is WHO are they distributed to? Because the lottery has loopholes and is easy to enter, they are going to people with multiple membership, and scalpers. It certainly doesn't help more different people get tickets as some claim.

You could have had your spouse and friends sign up with the old system as well, the only thing is if they are not huge fans like you, they would not have spent hours hitting F5. I don't think this is a valid point against the lottery system. Everyone who enters has a fair shot, and the reason people sign up is their business. You can't shut someone out just because they're someone friend or spouse and are "less" of a fan than someone else. The lottery is not a contest for who is the biggest fan or who is willing to spend the most time on their computer, it was designed to make things easier and I think it worked.

Also, there are many posts on this forum from people who are offering to sell their extra tickets at face value, even people who have purchased tickets on Ticketmaster and are reselling them here at face value to keep them out of the hands of scalpers.

And as for your last point, I don't think any system should "decide" who should get the tickets. Since a photo ID is required and there is a limit to two tickets per member, I think this system is better at keeping tickets OUT of the hands of scalpers compared to Ticketmaster.

MayDay10

I dont mind the theory of the lottery as opposed to F5.

I just see some giant holes in the current system as is, MG touches on it and I explained it many pages back.

Especially with GA in play now there are more ways to manipulate this system than F5


Lottery is fine. They just need to stay a step in front of the fans and close the loopholes before the next US tour.

eddiec

MG79478 wrote:

The F5 system worked fine hundreds of times, and put the tickets in to the hands of those who wanted them the most. Having 3 rough sales is hardly "endless crashing". I spent more time refreshing my lottery page than nearly all F5 sales.

Do you not remember this forum back in 2010/11? People were going crazy with the server problem. People had tickets in their cart and as they were about to pay they were gone. To say that the people who wanted tickets the most got them is absolutely absurd. Loads of people who took off from work, rescheduled appointments, etc, were left without tickets. Just because you managed does not mean everyone did.

mookieblalock

Beegirl1980 wrote:

You could have had your spouse and friends sign up with the old system as well, the only thing is if they are not huge fans like you, they would not have spent hours hitting F5. I don't think this is a valid point against the lottery system.

This actually supports his argument. Those people who were just signed up wouldn't have cared enough to sit there all day, making more tickets available for purchase.

JimmyV

MayDay10 wrote:

Lottery is fine. They just need to stay a step in front of the fans and close the loopholes before the next US tour.

Agreed. No doubt there are improvements that can be made.

EdsonNascimento

Here's the funny thing - I actually support the F5 system, but a few of you guys are making me like the lottery with your specious arguments.

Really? There are thousands of people that added memberships just for tickets this time? Yes, I'm sure there are some. No doubt. And just like you "worked" to make F5 better for you, you could do the same thing with the lottery - fight perceived fire with fire - add your own memberships. Hey, if you've made it to the top of whatever it is you do, you could probably buy far more memberships than most of us. So, you could really corner the market on tickets. And all your truly hard work would be used to your advantage.

As others have said - you can only pick up your own tickets. So, my father adding a membership, so I can get tickets to Seattle (we live in NY) doesn't really work. I guess I could pay for a trip for him (and my mom, I suppose) to Seattle, so he could go to the venue, get the tickets, so I could go (he's cool, but he is 78, so while he enjoys the Benaroya CD I got him, he won't be attending any GA concerts with me), but that added expense would seem to defeat the purpose. Stub hub would seem to be cheaper (GA specifics aside). (I doubt I would even be willing to have him trek down to Brooklyn for a nice steak dinner to pick up relatively local tickets).

So, I guess I could add numerous addresses to circumvent the 1 person 1 membership thing. Fairly easy - I could use my parents' address. But, I better hope I don't get tix to the same show. How will I pick up my separate pairs? I guess I could go back and forth hours apart, so the tix distributor hopefully doesn't recognize me. Or, better still - what ID will I use since I have nothing that shows my name and my parents' address on it?

I could go on, but obviously your paranoid schemes you think others are using are not so simple. If someone does find a way, it's going to be far more industrious than what you and I had to do to excel at the F5 system. Therefore, they deserve the tix. They would have earned it.

You will never eliminate all the crap. But, your arguments fall well short.

(BTW, as for your trading comments - so, F5 you're not concerned with spreading the wealth, but with the lottery you are?)

dimitrispearljam

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Here's the funny thing - I actually support the F5 system, but a few of you guys are making me like the lottery with your specious arguments.

Really? There are thousands of people that added memberships just for tickets this time? Yes, I'm sure there are some. No doubt. And just like you "worked" to make F5 better for you, you could do the same thing with the lottery - fight perceived fire with fire - add your own memberships. Hey, if you've made it to the top of whatever it is you do, you could probably buy far more memberships than most of us. So, you could really corner the market on tickets. And all your truly hard work would be used to your advantage.

As others have said - you can only pick up your own tickets. So, my father adding a membership, so I can get tickets to Seattle (we live in NY) doesn't really work. I guess I could pay for a trip for him (and my mom, I suppose) to Seattle, so he could go to the venue, get the tickets, so I could go (he's cool, but he is 78, so while he enjoys the Benaroya CD I got him, he won't be attending any GA concerts with me), but that added expense would seem to defeat the purpose. Stub hub would seem to be cheaper (GA specifics aside). (I doubt I would even be willing to have him trek down to Brooklyn for a nice steak dinner to pick up relatively local tickets).

So, I guess I could add numerous addresses to circumvent the 1 person 1 membership thing. Fairly easy - I could use my parents' address. But, I better hope I don't get tix to the same show. How will I pick up my separate pairs? I guess I could go back and forth hours apart, so the tix distributor hopefully doesn't recognize me. Or, better still - what ID will I use since I have nothing that shows my name and my parents' address on it?

I could go on, but obviously your paranoid schemes you think others are using are not so simple. If someone does find a way, it's going to be far more industrious than what you and I had to do to excel at the F5 system. Therefore, they deserve the tix. They would have earned it.

You will never eliminate all the crap. But, your arguments fall well short.

(BTW, as for your trading comments - so, F5 you're not concerned with spreading the wealth, but with the lottery you are?)

hahahah..awesome post..the same time your post is an answer not only as you did about scoring tickets but for scalpers and flipping as well,..its so easy to win the system with ticketmaster when u know the tricks,and get 50 tix,the best available,than do all this trouble,pay memebrship,in case they do a tour.and close to you,so you can go to pick up the tickets,,in case you win the lottery and you have ,the buyer to meet you in person,,know your name,your face,your number etc,just for 2 tickets.while you can sell your 50 tix you got from tickemaster online..and make huge cash..when u are a scalper,you dont go for 2 tickets profit,and need to pick them your self and all this things..you go for alot of money and do it as easy as possible..
+ you cant list the tickets for sale as fan club tickets out there....the first member sees it,will report it.
+there is no tweet as before..they anounce the tour and you had to be memebr already..you couldnt the same day of the announce the tour to buy 10 memebrships..you couldnt enter the lottery..you had to be a memebr before the announcements..
and they tour like what?once in 2-3 years in your area"???not alot of profit there..

now..you want to make profit?as flippers does?..merch is the heaven....
cos you can have 10 memberships and buy all the high demand products they sale here,all shipped at adress you like and end of the story.pay with one cc ...
and sell them in the next min,online 4-5 times up...
but thats another conversation..

Bentleyspop

dimitrispearljam wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

after all those years!!!!!

members scored tix for the first time!!!!

EPIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank you 10c..!!

NAILED IT!!!

+ 1 post for me..|!!!whooohoooo bitches!!

Why stop at one post? You could easily make a couple more worthless posts. Just repeat the same crap you always do, and add a bunch of exclamation points. You'll be writing a setlist for the band in no time if you keep the posting up!

i can post all night and day..24/7...

effort you wanted???

you will get it!!!!!!!

i just took days off work for the rest of the year to remind every single minute that there is a new sherriff in town..

and wait for it...




+ 1 post for me..|!!!whooohoooo bitches!!

shortstack

MG79478 wrote:

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Merkin Baller

what a great post!!!!!
i wish i could write so good English like you!!!

RESPECT!!!

Now it is clear why your posts are so short and devoid of useful content... you just want to raise your post count!

ya think?

incidental immortality

I have a few points to add to this discussion.

First, multiple memberships are most definitely an advantage under the new lottery system. Under the F5 system you could attempt to get tickets to as many shows as you wanted. Your odds were determined by a combination of the demand for the show, your proficiency with the system, and your internet connection. But, unless you wanted more than two tickets to a specific show there was no need for another membership since this didn't appreciably increase your chances of winning.

With the lottery, that's just not true. Multiple memberships are a significant benefit. And I'm not talking anything against the rules (using multiple addresses, fake ID's, etc). It's a simple as signing up your +1. This could be your friend, spouse, or family member. Most of us will be going to the show with someone else we know. If that person is going to be at the event then they can easily pick up the tickets.

In the F5 system your friend wouldn't need to be in the club. He could rely on you to get all the tickets. But, with the lottery both you and he would have equal chance to get tickets. So, for $20 you could double the chances of getting a single show OR more than double your chance of getting multiple shows. Sure, you may risk getting multiple pairs to a single show but with the high demand these should be relatively easy to get rid of.

Unrestricted GA access just makes this worse. Want to try for GA and not risk not getting tickets to a specific show? Just have your ticket partner add a membership right before the lottery is announced. Have him choose GA as #1 priority and choose reserved for your #1 priority. You have a very good chance to get at least one pair.

All of this reminds me of the old days when the club offered only one pair of tickets to one show. I went to all the Pearl Jam shows with two of my friends and we all put in for different shows and shared the tickets so that we'd be able to go to more than one show. Again, all within the rules.

rival.

eddiec

incidental immortality wrote:

I have a few points to add to this discussion.

First, multiple memberships are most definitely an advantage under the new lottery system. Under the F5 system you could attempt to get tickets to as many shows as you wanted. Your odds were determined by a combination of the demand for the show, your proficiency with the system, and your internet connection. But, unless you wanted more than two tickets to a specific show there was no need for another membership since this didn't appreciably increase your chances of winning.

With the lottery, that's just not true. Multiple memberships are a significant benefit. And I'm not talking anything against the rules (using multiple addresses, fake ID's, etc). It's a simple as signing up your +1. This could be your friend, spouse, or family member. Most of us will be going to the show with someone else we know. If that person is going to be at the event then they can easily pick up the tickets.

In the F5 system your friend wouldn't need to be in the club. He could rely on you to get all the tickets. But, with the lottery both you and he would have equal chance to get tickets. So, for $20 you could double the chances of getting a single show OR more than double your chance of getting multiple shows. Sure, you may risk getting multiple pairs to a single show but with the high demand these should be relatively easy to get rid of.

Unrestricted GA access just makes this worse. Want to try for GA and not risk not getting tickets to a specific show? Just have your ticket partner add a membership right before the lottery is announced. Have him choose GA as #1 priority and choose reserved for your #1 priority. You have a very good chance to get at least one pair.

All of this reminds me of the old days when the club offered only one pair of tickets to one show. I went to all the Pearl Jam shows with two of my friends and we all put in for different shows and shared the tickets so that we'd be able to go to more than one show. Again, all within the rules.

But again, the person you use for the additional membership would have to travel to the show. For example, if I had signed up my wife and she won tickets for the upcoming tour I'm screwed because she isn't flying over to NY just to pick up a set of tickets for me.

dimitrispearljam

incidental immortality wrote:

I have a few points to add to this discussion.

First, multiple memberships are most definitely an advantage under the new lottery system. Under the F5 system you could attempt to get tickets to as many shows as you wanted. Your odds were determined by a combination of the demand for the show, your proficiency with the system, and your internet connection. But, unless you wanted more than two tickets to a specific show there was no need for another membership since this didn't appreciably increase your chances of winning.

With the lottery, that's just not true. Multiple memberships are a significant benefit. And I'm not talking anything against the rules (using multiple addresses, fake ID's, etc). It's a simple as signing up your +1. This could be your friend, spouse, or family member. Most of us will be going to the show with someone else we know. If that person is going to be at the event then they can easily pick up the tickets.

In the F5 system your friend wouldn't need to be in the club. He could rely on you to get all the tickets. But, with the lottery both you and he would have equal chance to get tickets. So, for $20 you could double the chances of getting a single show OR more than double your chance of getting multiple shows. Sure, you may risk getting multiple pairs to a single show but with the high demand these should be relatively easy to get rid of.

Unrestricted GA access just makes this worse. Want to try for GA and not risk not getting tickets to a specific show? Just have your ticket partner add a membership right before the lottery is announced. Have him choose GA as #1 priority and choose reserved for your #1 priority. You have a very good chance to get at least one pair.

All of this reminds me of the old days when the club offered only one pair of tickets to one show. I went to all the Pearl Jam shows with two of my friends and we all put in for different shows and shared the tickets so that we'd be able to go to more than one show. Again, all within the rules.

so...you sign 5 dif memberships..lottery..won all..5 different people..5 different cities..you-mother-dad-granma-sister..you will drive anyone to all those places,to pick up the tickets??
dad to hartford,mom to buffalo,grand ma to spokane,sister to pitsburg, you to ny shows??

what if u loose all??

just lost 100 per year...at memberships..and what if they dont tour at usa for the next 2-3 years?
you spent 300 for no shows..
sure..can happen..

dimitrispearljam

rival. wrote:

what???NO WAY

more post count for me!!

they think i post for the number??

ill prove them right!!!!\\whoohoo!!!!!1

shortstack

i wish they'd just stop selling all merch so they'd have to tour more to pay the bills.

MG79478

EdsonNascimento wrote:

Here's the funny thing - I actually support the F5 system, but a few of you guys are making me like the lottery with your specious arguments.

Really? There are thousands of people that added memberships just for tickets this time? Yes, I'm sure there are some. No doubt. And just like you "worked" to make F5 better for you, you could do the same thing with the lottery - fight perceived fire with fire - add your own memberships. Hey, if you've made it to the top of whatever it is you do, you could probably buy far more memberships than most of us. So, you could really corner the market on tickets. And all your truly hard work would be used to your advantage.

As others have said - you can only pick up your own tickets. So, my father adding a membership, so I can get tickets to Seattle (we live in NY) doesn't really work. I guess I could pay for a trip for him (and my mom, I suppose) to Seattle, so he could go to the venue, get the tickets, so I could go (he's cool, but he is 78, so while he enjoys the Benaroya CD I got him, he won't be attending any GA concerts with me), but that added expense would seem to defeat the purpose. Stub hub would seem to be cheaper (GA specifics aside). (I doubt I would even be willing to have him trek down to Brooklyn for a nice steak dinner to pick up relatively local tickets).

So, I guess I could add numerous addresses to circumvent the 1 person 1 membership thing. Fairly easy - I could use my parents' address. But, I better hope I don't get tix to the same show. How will I pick up my separate pairs? I guess I could go back and forth hours apart, so the tix distributor hopefully doesn't recognize me. Or, better still - what ID will I use since I have nothing that shows my name and my parents' address on it?

I could go on, but obviously your paranoid schemes you think others are using are not so simple. If someone does find a way, it's going to be far more industrious than what you and I had to do to excel at the F5 system. Therefore, they deserve the tix. They would have earned it.

You will never eliminate all the crap. But, your arguments fall well short.

(BTW, as for your trading comments - so, F5 you're not concerned with spreading the wealth, but with the lottery you are?)

I can and will take learn all advantages and loopholes of the lottery and exploit them. I did that with F5, I'll always find a way... but it's not about me. I can afford tickets at any price, not everyone can. It's about getting the tickets in to the hands of the person who wants them the most, not just who got lucky in a lottery.

You ignored the point already mentioned... Fake IDs. How would a low wage ticket window operater tell if you had a fake ID? Secondly, even without fake IDs, you sign your dad up for the local show. You sign your wife up for a show she will travel with you for, you sign your friend up to trave to another show, you sign up for another show. You just got 4 first choices. It's really really really simple if you have an open mind.

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i can post all night and day..24/7...

effort you wanted???

you will get it!!!!!!!

i just took days off work for the rest of the year to remind every single minute that there is a new sherriff in town..

and wait for it...

+ 1 post for me..|!!!whooohoooo bitches!!

I didn't expect you had a job, or contributed anything useful to society.

jamburger

MG79478 wrote:

I didn't expect you had a job, or contributed anything useful to society.

Condescending post is condescending.

yourLIFEmadeusSTARS

I'll go with the flow with the new lottery system with it's inherent flaws.
Would just love for them to mix it up every tour and play some 10c only, seniority seating gigs!

Whipping_Boy

Beegirl1980 wrote:

MG79478 wrote:

Personally, I have never been able to get tickets through the old system. I have spent entire nights hitting F5 to no avail. With the new system, I put in my name and crossed my fingers, and was lucky enough to score tickets to two shows. I am all for the new system

You are the first person I have ever heard of who could not get any tix thru the old system. You must be talking about recent experiences within the past 2-3 years. In comparison, I have been in the club since 96 and never had the experience of not getting tix thru the old system. I was a pefect 100% or 20 for 20. With the new system I put in for 8 shows and only got one. My success rate went from 100% to 13%. And I am not alone with this experience.

The only times I have ever seen people complain about the old system was for a very few high demand shows - a couple at MSG and PJ20. And both of these problems were the result of recent changes to the ticket process. Other than those handful of shows there wasn't a peep about the system being a problem. Everyone got the tix they wanted. Now, we have reports of many long time members being shut out of multiple shows and many more examples of people being totally shut-out for every show they requested.

This is a monumental step backwards.