What I don't understand is, why were there 1000 posters each night for camden but only 466 for each night of MSG? They short printed the 2003 MSG as well and we all know that one still sells for big bucks. Whoever is in charge of the bands merch is partially to blame for last nights fiasco. If there were 1000 last night all of us in that ungodly herd of cattle would have gotten one probably.
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pretty sad that the "american way" condones this cut-throat, every man for himself attitude...
civility should come before legality
Reality
is my favorite "ITY" word
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I can't believe there are so many "so what if he is selling posters for 3 and 4 times their worth" and "who cares" responses..
Because this is something that effects everybody. Maybe not right now but when pearl jam is touring your neck of the woods and you get shut out of a poster that SHOULD have been more than enough to go around, you are gonna be one angry SOB.
Posters are not as great as we make them out to be but FUCK.. they are cool, specially when you just saw a really good show that means something to you (to be honest id be happy if they just started doing handbills for ever show) the point is.. someone is taking huge advantage of us. Not ten club, but US. Its silly. Its stuff like this that glorifies posters and makes it even more of a monopoly.
I say we hunt this guys down and get his shit revoked. Or at least make him realize that we are NOT enthused or entertained by this MASSIVE poster flip. Its one thing to sell one or two posters to fund going to more shows, but it seems like some have taken it up as a fucking career. Even though i dont think the ten club would be able to do anything other than make his ebay auctions stop? There is more than one way to skin a cat though so who knows, this may all be for nothing. Im sure if this guy wants to sell posters, he will sell posters.
Poor ten club.. finally got it worked out to where everybody has the chance at ONE poster... and somehow people still find a way to take advantage :(
At least this dude knows what he is up against this time.. Lets end this poster fiasco once and for all! Bringing it back to the good ol days when posters were just reminders of shows you went to! *Battle Cries*
Please it is a $25 concert poster not a Van Gogh. Although even a Van Gogh I can walk into a poster store and buy a print of Starry Night, but that doesn't take away from the legitimacy of the original work. Making more wont hurt anyone's legitimacy, it might cut down on the amount of messages posted about posters, which might cut down on the hype but that is about it. Plus concert posters are supposed to be advertisement (or at least the were orinally were).
people in the art community would argue otherwise (not to sound elitist )
whats the first thing people think when they see the "mona lisa" in person?
"its smaller than i thought..."
before they even appreciate the painting itself... and its because the world is so oversaturated with that image! the same would go for these posters to some extent (though obviously not to the same extreme)
the fact that you said "it is a $25 concert poster" is exactly what the artists are trying to stop... that $25 poster is a $300 poster right now on the market BECAUSE there are so few... and its bound to only grow
and if they are meant for advertisement then why arent they seen til immediately before the show? theyre more like mementos... and the artists want them to transcend the simple material theyre printed on
im just playing devils advocate... id obviously LOVE to have every poster i want at an affordable price
I can't believe there are so many "so what if he is selling posters for 3 and 4 times their worth" and "who cares" responses..
Because this is something that effects everybody. Maybe not right now but when pearl jam is touring your neck of the woods and you get shut out of a poster that SHOULD have been more than enough to go around, you are gonna be one angry SOB.
Posters are not as great as we make them out to be but FUCK.. they are cool, specially when you just saw a really good show that means something to you (to be honest id be happy if they just started doing handbills for ever show) the point is.. someone is taking huge advantage of us. Not ten club, but US. Its silly. Its stuff like this that glorifies posters and makes it even more of a monopoly.
I say we hunt this guys down and get his shit revoked. Or at least make him realize that we are NOT enthused or entertained by this MASSIVE poster flip. Its one thing to sell one or two posters to fund going to more shows, but it seems like some have taken it up as a fucking career. Even though i dont think the ten club would be able to do anything other than make his ebay auctions stop? There is more than one way to skin a cat though so who knows, this may all be for nothing. Im sure if this guy wants to sell posters, he will sell posters.
Poor ten club.. finally got it worked out to where everybody has the chance at ONE poster... and somehow people still find a way to take advantage :(
At least this dude knows what he is up against this time.. Lets end this poster fiasco once and for all! Bringing it back to the good ol days when posters were just reminders of shows you went to! *Battle Cries*
While we're at it can we tell Exxon and Shell to sell us gas cheap because gas "means" something to us?
Free Markets my friend....
If anything, Ebay has made posters more available at a lower price than they were Pre-EBAY
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If you really want a poster you can wait a year or so and get it from the 10C sale..so what people really are paying for on ebay is instant gratification in having the poster right away.
Someone hit the nail on the head.. "INSTANT GRATIFICATION"
I'm just as guilty..
I think I'm still paying off poster purchases from eBay on the AMEX card..
Looks like I'll be sitting tight until the 10C sales..
people in the art community would argue otherwise (not to sound elitist )
whats the first thing people think when they see the "mona lisa" in person?
"its smaller than i thought..."
before they even appreciate the painting itself... and its because the world is so oversaturated with that image! the same would go for these posters to some extent (though obviously not to the same extreme)
the fact that you said "it is a $25 concert poster" is exactly what the artists are trying to stop... that $25 poster is a $300 poster right now on the market BECAUSE there are so few... and its bound to only grow
and if they are meant for advertisement then why arent they seen til immediately before the show? theyre more like mementos... and the artists want them to transcend the simple material theyre printed on
im just playing devils advocate... id obviously LOVE to have every poster i want at an affordable price
So bascially if I get what you are saying is that the artists are happy that people like ninersfan are selling these posters online because the massive mark-up gives them credibility. Wouldn't knowning that 1000's of people have your poster on their wall also give them credibility?
Also to be fair I did say that concert posters started out as advertisments, not that they currently are. To me as far as art goes concert posters are sort of in the same realm as comic books.
While we're at it can we tell Exxon and Shell to sell us gas cheap because gas "means" something to us?
Free Markets my friend....
If anything, Ebay has made posters more available at a lower price than they were Pre-EBAY
So you think its totally fine for this guy to get 20 more posters than you , at a show that you perhaps enjoyed for the musical aspect simply because the reality of the world is that everyone gets screwed over, and its every man for himself?
Unlike Exxon and stuff that we will never have control over , this is something small enough, important enough to try to and change and you could actually make a difference if your tude wasn't so gung ho. Not trying to bust balls but i just hate this "yeah right, like we can change world" bullshit. People have the power if they gave themselves half a chance.
So you think its totally fine for this guy to get 20 more posters than you , at a show that you perhaps enjoyed for the musical aspect simply because the reality of the world is that everyone gets screwed over, and its every man for himself?
Unlike Exxon and stuff that we will never have control over , this is something small enough, important enough to try to and change and you could actually make a difference if your tude wasn't so gung ho. Not trying to bust balls but i just hate this "yeah right, like we can change world" bullshit. People have the power if they give themselves half a chance.
But if you want to change something why start small. I mean blaming this one guy when the whole system is messed up is like blaming the guy on the corner for selling crack for the whole world-wide drug problem. Or to extend the oil company example, it is like blaming the guy pumping your gas for the high price of oil.
to just up the print run is harmful to the legitimacy of the ARTISTS and their ART... itd be great if everyone could get one of these as easily as stickers... but from the artists' POV i understand why they dont want to just make 1,000,000 per show... its the difference between commercial art (advertisement, packaging etc) which isnt taken seriously by the art community and ART rock posters
maybe a second variant run that could be distinguished from those sold at the show could be sold later in greater quantity... thats up to the artists though... theyd have to be able to handle the traffic... which we all know they cant
I wouldn't buy a Pearl Jam gig poster that's mass produced. Lame idea.
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But if you want to change something why start small. I mean blaming this one guy when the whole system is messed up is like blaming the guy on the corner for selling crack for the whole world-wide drug problem. Or to extend the oil company example, it is like blaming the guy pumping your gas for the high price of oil.
Oh you are totally right..
Why take down one problem if you cant take down them all *rolls eyes*
That makes about as much sense as not wiping your ass because you are just gonna take a poop again
But thats one less guy doing crack and selling it to the neighbor hood kids! Don't guys ever watch cops?
So bascially if I get what you are saying is that the artists are happy that people like ninersfan are selling these posters online because the massive mark-up gives them credibility. Wouldn't knowning that 1000's of people have your poster on their wall also give them credibility?
probably not happy that ninersfan is making that kindof money... because obviously they could be making that same amount if they sold extras themselves... but happy that there is such a demand for their work that people are willing to pay alot... artists have BIG egos
they probably enjoy these threads too just to see the emotional attachment people have developed for their work
its not the mindset of EVERY artist naturally... but i think because the Ames bros have a background in painting they probably have a greater appreciation for rarity... reproductions go back as far as durer and rubens but have ALWAYS been limited... its probably as much a matter of tradition as anything economical
and comic books have some great imagery just like Ames posters!
I am annoyed that this guy is making such a killing off these because he was sleezy enough to use homeless people and scalpers as pawns. It seems extremely parasitic.
lemme start by saying I don't personally care for the posters... and I wasn't impressed by the near-riot during the get-a-bracelet-so-you-can-get-a-bracelet chaos before MSG2. But what this guy is doing suuucks.
now if you really want to screw with ninersfan, why not start overbidding every auction of his on ebay? Create a junk account and bid every poster up to a million bucks. Or put in legitimate bids and then string him along and never pay. Make it beyond painful to sell on ebay and maybe he'll get the idea.
I am annoyed that this guy is making such a killing off these because he was sleezy enough to use homeless people and scalpers as pawns. It seems extremely parasitic.
agreed... ive always had a problem with his "business"... but he reached a new low at the MSG shows... if only those homeless people new how much he stood to make off of those posters... they couldve held out for more $
what an ass... and that goes beyond the posters... its common courtesy for human life
So you think its totally fine for this guy to get 20 more posters than you , at a show that you perhaps enjoyed for the musical aspect simply because the reality of the world is that everyone gets screwed over, and its every man for himself?
Unlike Exxon and stuff that we will never have control over , this is something small enough, important enough to try to and change and you could actually make a difference if your tude wasn't so gung ho. Not trying to bust balls but i just hate this "yeah right, like we can change world" bullshit. People have the power if they gave themselves half a chance.
To answer your first question....yes
To the comment....Good luck stopping the forces or free market capitalism
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To the comment....Good luck stopping the forces or free market capitalism
someone had to overcome an even greater force to add the "free" in front of that "market capitalism"... but i guess the generations of yesteryear werent huge pussies like everyone is today
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Because this is something that effects everybody. Maybe not right now but when pearl jam is touring your neck of the woods and you get shut out of a poster that SHOULD have been more than enough to go around, you are gonna be one angry SOB.
Posters are not as great as we make them out to be but FUCK.. they are cool, specially when you just saw a really good show that means something to you (to be honest id be happy if they just started doing handbills for ever show) the point is.. someone is taking huge advantage of us. Not ten club, but US. Its silly. Its stuff like this that glorifies posters and makes it even more of a monopoly.
I say we hunt this guys down and get his shit revoked. Or at least make him realize that we are NOT enthused or entertained by this MASSIVE poster flip. Its one thing to sell one or two posters to fund going to more shows, but it seems like some have taken it up as a fucking career. Even though i dont think the ten club would be able to do anything other than make his ebay auctions stop? There is more than one way to skin a cat though so who knows, this may all be for nothing. Im sure if this guy wants to sell posters, he will sell posters.
Poor ten club.. finally got it worked out to where everybody has the chance at ONE poster... and somehow people still find a way to take advantage :(
At least this dude knows what he is up against this time.. Lets end this poster fiasco once and for all! Bringing it back to the good ol days when posters were just reminders of shows you went to! *Battle Cries*
Its only a reality to the lazy people who allow it to be
whats the first thing people think when they see the "mona lisa" in person?
"its smaller than i thought..."
before they even appreciate the painting itself... and its because the world is so oversaturated with that image! the same would go for these posters to some extent (though obviously not to the same extreme)
the fact that you said "it is a $25 concert poster" is exactly what the artists are trying to stop... that $25 poster is a $300 poster right now on the market BECAUSE there are so few... and its bound to only grow
and if they are meant for advertisement then why arent they seen til immediately before the show? theyre more like mementos... and the artists want them to transcend the simple material theyre printed on
im just playing devils advocate... id obviously LOVE to have every poster i want at an affordable price
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While we're at it can we tell Exxon and Shell to sell us gas cheap because gas "means" something to us?
Free Markets my friend....
If anything, Ebay has made posters more available at a lower price than they were Pre-EBAY
Someone hit the nail on the head.. "INSTANT GRATIFICATION"
I'm just as guilty..
I think I'm still paying off poster purchases from eBay on the AMEX card..
Looks like I'll be sitting tight until the 10C sales..
There is one thread that should die.. Along with the word "Jamily"
So bascially if I get what you are saying is that the artists are happy that people like ninersfan are selling these posters online because the massive mark-up gives them credibility. Wouldn't knowning that 1000's of people have your poster on their wall also give them credibility?
Also to be fair I did say that concert posters started out as advertisments, not that they currently are. To me as far as art goes concert posters are sort of in the same realm as comic books.
The only way Jamily could be any better is when combined with the word poster, hence "Jamily Posters."
So you think its totally fine for this guy to get 20 more posters than you , at a show that you perhaps enjoyed for the musical aspect simply because the reality of the world is that everyone gets screwed over, and its every man for himself?
Unlike Exxon and stuff that we will never have control over , this is something small enough, important enough to try to and change and you could actually make a difference if your tude wasn't so gung ho. Not trying to bust balls but i just hate this "yeah right, like we can change world" bullshit. People have the power if they gave themselves half a chance.
But if you want to change something why start small. I mean blaming this one guy when the whole system is messed up is like blaming the guy on the corner for selling crack for the whole world-wide drug problem. Or to extend the oil company example, it is like blaming the guy pumping your gas for the high price of oil.
I wouldn't buy a Pearl Jam gig poster that's mass produced. Lame idea.
I am curious what difference does it make if there is 100 or 5000? Do you just like having something because you know other people don't have it?
Oh you are totally right..
Why take down one problem if you cant take down them all *rolls eyes*
That makes about as much sense as not wiping your ass because you are just gonna take a poop again
But thats one less guy doing crack and selling it to the neighbor hood kids! Don't guys ever watch cops?
they probably enjoy these threads too just to see the emotional attachment people have developed for their work
its not the mindset of EVERY artist naturally... but i think because the Ames bros have a background in painting they probably have a greater appreciation for rarity... reproductions go back as far as durer and rubens but have ALWAYS been limited... its probably as much a matter of tradition as anything economical
and comic books have some great imagery just like Ames posters!
http://seanbriceart.com/
now if you really want to screw with ninersfan, why not start overbidding every auction of his on ebay? Create a junk account and bid every poster up to a million bucks. Or put in legitimate bids and then string him along and never pay. Make it beyond painful to sell on ebay and maybe he'll get the idea.
what an ass... and that goes beyond the posters... its common courtesy for human life
http://seanbriceart.com/
To answer your first question....yes
To the comment....Good luck stopping the forces or free market capitalism
Hey, do what the chinese do... Copy it and bootleg it... That beats captialism and free markets... just sayin..
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