Stop using "gay" as a pejorative

callen

Abuskedti wrote:

So then it is not "normal" That is my point. I think it needs a better definition.. so we can continue to move forward. I believe Gay's should be treasured.. like every other human being. It's not normal.. and what is so good about normal anyway. Gay is something that is different..I think if it is so obvious that we should not view it as an alternative, unless our children find it impossible to live as what has become the societal norm. At that time we welcome it. That seems not so much normal.

Having feelings for others is "normal" (whatever that means anyway) and to which gender one gravitates isn't important in any facet of life with exception to procreation and humans aren't going extinct anytime soon.

hedonist

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

I suppose that would be true, although one could also counter-argue that being very overweight and wearing a gauze bikini in public IS, in fact, a "lifestyle choice" and that many people do find the appearance of it to be unappealing.

I don't think that I should have to have to pretend to not find the look of this...



...to be rather horrifying if I also would like people to stop saying "that's a faggy sweater you're wearing."


Although I guess "cottage cheese hamhocks" was probably a very poor choice of words and for that I am sorry.

Do you really encounter that here in LA or in SF (which had - still has? - public nudity being legal)?

Maybe once here, and I employed the "just look away if you don't like it" method. It's a good one, fer sure.

Prince Of Dorkness

Oh the horrors that you see at Venice Beach...

PJ_Soul

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Oh the horrors that you see at Venice Beach...

Don't be a hater. Being like that about fat people just seems mean spirited to me.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand.... I've said everything I have to say about that!

Abuskedti

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw

even flow - question mark

Are we going to have to rewrite the history books and say that a bomb in WWII was dropped by "Enola Alternative Lifestyle"?

butterjam

Abuskedti wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw

South Park on the other F word:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word ... th_Park%29

Jim Jefferies on gay marriage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQikr6BPHL0

Abuskedti

butterjam wrote:

Abuskedti wrote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fcja4WFFzDw

South Park on the other F word:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_F_Word ... th_Park%29

Jim Jefferies on gay marriage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zQikr6BPHL0

I saw both of those Loved Jim Jefferies!

Prince Of Dorkness

even flow - question mark wrote:

Are we going to have to rewrite the history books and say that a bomb in WWII was dropped by "Enola Alternative Lifestyle"?

I realize this is a joke but you do know that "lifestyle" is another one of those terms we really shudder at, right?

Abuskedti

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Are we going to have to rewrite the history books and say that a bomb in WWII was dropped by "Enola Alternative Lifestyle"?

I realize this is a joke but you do know that "lifestyle" is another one of those terms we really shudder at, right?

Good to know

even flow - question mark

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Are we going to have to rewrite the history books and say that a bomb in WWII was dropped by "Enola Alternative Lifestyle"?

I realize this is a joke but you do know that "lifestyle" is another one of those terms we really shudder at, right?

With all the PC, I really don't know anything anymore.

Glad you took it as a joke.

But in all fairness to a person who does not get the "gay" life, it is an alternative lifestyle. Just saying.

Personally, whatever floats your boat, sail that river.

Who Princess

even flow - question mark wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

Are we going to have to rewrite the history books and say that a bomb in WWII was dropped by "Enola Alternative Lifestyle"?

I realize this is a joke but you do know that "lifestyle" is another one of those terms we really shudder at, right?

With all the PC, I really don't know anything anymore.

Glad you took it as a joke.

But in all fairness to a person who does not get the "gay" life, it is an alternative lifestyle. Just saying.

Personally, whatever floats your boat, sail that river.

Being gay is not an alternative lifestyle. We choose lifestyles, we don't choose orientation.

I have a thrifty lifestyle, which is a nice way of saying I'm cheap. I choose to do without a lot of material things that many people think are necessities. I save money for large purchases rather than using credit. We drive older cars. I CHOOSE to live this way but I don't have to.

Who I'm attracted to sexually is hardwired into me. And one thing I've learned in my years of living is that there is an enormous variety in human sexuality. Not just in terms of the gender(s) you're attracted to but how you express your attractions. It's not a clear cut, black/white thing. There are relationships that have no appeal to me but if they involve consenting adults who take responsibility for their actions, I don't think I have any business questioning them.

Abuskedti

Being gay is not an alternative lifestyle. We choose lifestyles, we don't choose orientation.

I have a thrifty lifestyle, which is a nice way of saying I'm cheap. I choose to do without a lot of material things that many people think are necessities. I save money for large purchases rather than using credit. We drive older cars. I CHOOSE to live this way but I don't have to.

Who I'm attracted to sexually is hardwired into me. And one thing I've learned in my years of living is that there is an enormous variety in human sexuality. Not just in terms of the gender(s) you're attracted to but how you express your attractions. It's not a clear cut, black/white thing. There are relationships that have no appeal to me but if they involve consenting adults who take responsibility for their actions, I don't think I have any business questioning them.[/quote]

yes, and with regard to sexual attraction.. we are all different. Society and "general understanding" is in a very large way controlled by the television and other forms of entertainment. so the prevailing thought on the topic is really bad. It is not a Gay thing really, it is a sex thing. The Gay thing is a combination or our hangups and lack of understanding of sex and attractions and it is badly compounded by insecure ass holes that bully physically and emotionally the things they don't understand. It effects me too, because I don't bully and try hard not to judge people, but when words I choose are also used by assholes, I am confused for a heartless mindless bully. and I am not. I am a nice guy

even flow - question mark

Who Princess wrote:

Being gay is not an alternative lifestyle. We choose lifestyles, we don't choose orientation.

I have a thrifty lifestyle, which is a nice way of saying I'm cheap. I choose to do without a lot of material things that many people think are necessities. I save money for large purchases rather than using credit. We drive older cars. I CHOOSE to live this way but I don't have to.

Who I'm attracted to sexually is hardwired into me. And one thing I've learned in my years of living is that there is an enormous variety in human sexuality. Not just in terms of the gender(s) you're attracted to but how you express your attractions. It's not a clear cut, black/white thing. There are relationships that have no appeal to me but if they involve consenting adults who take responsibility for their actions, I don't think I have any business questioning them.[/quote]


Yes.
I guess I should have stated that I'm not the person who doesn't get it. Thus the line, whatever floats your boat, sail that river.

Who Princess

even flow - question mark wrote:

Yes.
I guess I should have stated that I'm not the person who doesn't get it. Thus the line, whatever floats your boat, sail that river.

Sorry about that. I thought as much but I can be kinda preachy when I haven't had my coffee yet.

Prince Of Dorkness

even flow - question mark wrote:

But in all fairness to a person who does not get the "gay" life, it is an alternative lifestyle. Just saying.

I'll tell you why it isn't.

The term "Lifestyle" pertains to how one lives their lives. Which ends up being a pretty wide blanket to throw. It suggests that all gay people are the same. And honestly... we're not.

You say "The gay life." There's no such thing. We're not all the same and we don't all spend our lives doing the same things. It's like saying "The American Life" and having a slim view of what those people are like.

While you may have the mental image of a bunch of muscular men with their shirts off dancing under a tent in Palm Springs on E and listening to Trance music, that's just a certain group of people. You might also picture guys who spend all their time flailing their wrists and saying "fabulous" as they help their best girlfriend shop for shoes and find a dress that fits. You also might imagine a bunch of big mean with beards dressed in leather and tango dancing like in the Police Academy movies. But the fact is that none of those represent my life in any way at all.

So... maybe you can explain to me what you think the "gay life" is like. And I'll tell you if that's anything that represents my life in any way at all.

Bentleyspop

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

But in all fairness to a person who does not get the "gay" life, it is an alternative lifestyle. Just saying.

I'll tell you why it isn't.

The term "Lifestyle" pertains to how one lives their lives. Which ends up being a pretty wide blanket to throw. It suggests that all gay people are the same. And honestly... we're not.

You say "The gay life." There's no such thing. We're not all the same and we don't all spend our lives doing the same things. It's like saying "The American Life" and having a slim view of what those people are like.

While you may have the mental image of a bunch of muscular men with their shirts off dancing under a tent in Palm Springs on E and listening to Trance music, that's just a certain group of people. You might also picture guys who spend all their time flailing their wrists and saying "fabulous" as they help their best girlfriend shop for shoes and find a dress that fits. You also might imagine a bunch of big mean with beards dressed in leather and tango dancing like in the Police Academy movies. But the fact is that none of those represent my life in any way at all.

So... maybe you can explain to me what you think the "gay life" is like. And I'll tell you if that's anything that represents my life in any way at all.

Some of these people should attend a big city gay-pride festival and then they could see all the different genres

PJ_Soul

Bentleyspop wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

even flow - question mark wrote:

But in all fairness to a person who does not get the "gay" life, it is an alternative lifestyle. Just saying.

I'll tell you why it isn't.

The term "Lifestyle" pertains to how one lives their lives. Which ends up being a pretty wide blanket to throw. It suggests that all gay people are the same. And honestly... we're not.

You say "The gay life." There's no such thing. We're not all the same and we don't all spend our lives doing the same things. It's like saying "The American Life" and having a slim view of what those people are like.

While you may have the mental image of a bunch of muscular men with their shirts off dancing under a tent in Palm Springs on E and listening to Trance music, that's just a certain group of people. You might also picture guys who spend all their time flailing their wrists and saying "fabulous" as they help their best girlfriend shop for shoes and find a dress that fits. You also might imagine a bunch of big mean with beards dressed in leather and tango dancing like in the Police Academy movies. But the fact is that none of those represent my life in any way at all.

So... maybe you can explain to me what you think the "gay life" is like. And I'll tell you if that's anything that represents my life in any way at all.

Some of these people should attend a big city gay-pride festival and then they could see all the different genres

I would disagree with that. I don't think the gay-pride parade is representative of the majority of gay people at all.

Who Princess

Bentleyspop wrote:

Some of these people should attend a big city gay-pride festival and then they could see all the different genres

Yeah, but then they'd miss all the gays who stay home and watch tv, cook dinner, do laundry, whatever, and never go to gay pride events.

Prince Of Dorkness

PJ_Soul wrote:

I would disagree with that. I don't think the gay-pride parade is representative of the majority of gay people at all.

It depends on which one you go to.

Most parades are very indicative of the most active groups and while there's a whole bunch of different kinds of people you'll see... the news will show ONLY the drag queens, the tweakers, the people in costume throwing glitter and the most outrageous things they can see.

But they'll ignore the Gay Dads, the teacher's union, the sports teams, the guys riding motorcycles, the church groups, the Men's Chorus...all of that.

And the parade is such a small part of the whole festival. Most people don't even go to it. So yeah... you see a lot of different kinds of people... that's for sure.