Stop using "gay" as a pejorative

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  • From my cartoon watching days, the Flintstones promised me that I'd have a "gay ole time". Nothing wrong with Fred, Barney and the crew.

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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    From my cartoon watching days, the Flintstones promised me that I'd have a "gay ole time". Nothing wrong with Fred, Barney and the crew.
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  • BinauralJamBinauralJam Posts: 14,158
    i blame Shaun of the Dead, but i do try not to any more
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,963
    If I hear someone say this it strikes me as pretty strange. I don 't think I've used the term in front of anyone for a long long time. But it was a really common use of the word when I was younger for years - it really never occurred to anyone that there was anything wrong with it I don't think - and I guess it stuck in my brain, because every once in a while I find myself using the term when talking to myself the way we all do... and I noticed that I'd said it, and found THAT strange. It came out as a matter of old, old habit I guess... I was just surprised that it was still somewhere in my head. But for the most part, I think using the word gay as a pejorative is almost a thing of the past, at least here in Vancouver. Gay is what a homosexual male is (most don't call lesbians gay for some reason... where do lesbians stand on that??).
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  • whgarrettwhgarrett Posts: 574
    I still use the term. If one on my friends is acting gay, or if they are doing something gay, I tell them. I don't use it hatefully as I would call someone a f#gg*(&t. I haven't done that for a while.

    I don't have any other descriptive term to label them I guess.

    I will try and work on it.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,963
    whgarrett wrote:
    I still use the term. If one on my friends is acting gay, or if they are doing something gay, I tell them. I don't use it hatefully as I would call someone a f#gg*(&t. I haven't done that for a while.

    I don't have any other descriptive term to label them I guess.

    I will try and work on it.
    I'm seriously asking: what are your friends doing so that they are acting gay or doing something gay??
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    Gay is what a homosexual male is (most don't call lesbians gay for some reason... where do lesbians stand on that??).
    I call gay men and women "gay" alike; the gay women I know use that word and lesbian pretty equally.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,197
    Today I was very GAY, I got a surprise package from my sister with cards, birthday cake and a gift. My b-day is in a couple days so for today I couldn't be more gay. :D

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,084
    This thread reminds me of a fact that I always find odd, amazing, even disturbing: that there are still people who have a problem with people who are gay, lesbian, homosexual, or light in the loafers. I like that last term. If I were gay I would say "I'm light in the loafers" and feel good about it. Hey, I like shoes. What can I say. :)
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,963
    brianlux wrote:
    This thread reminds me of a fact that I always find odd, amazing, even disturbing: that there are still people who have a problem with people who are gay, lesbian, homosexual, or light in the loafers. I like that last term. If I were gay I would say "I'm light in the loafers" and feel good about it. Hey, I like shoes. What can I say. :)
    I actually find it EXTREMELY disturbing that there are still people who have a problem with people who are gay. J have absolutely no wiggle room on this issue. Either someone is completely accepting of people being homosexual, or they are assholes. Not too many issues are so black and white to me, but this one is. I am completely intolerant of people who are intolerant of gay people just because they're gay and/or have sex with the same sex, and I am comfortable with my intolerance in this case. :)
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  • Jason PJason P Posts: 19,138
    I learned a new word today: pejorative

    Can I know longer call my friends that cheat at cards a Belichick?
  • KatKat Posts: 4,872
    It has not been ok here to use the word "gay" as a slam. It is bigoted and homophobic and the people who are doing it need to take a good look at why they think it's ok. Your posting privileges are at risk if you do it here or promote the idea that it's ok...because it isn't. Some posts are going to disappear....and just this time, it's as a big hint.

    Very nice video, OP...she was funny.

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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,781
    I live in Boulder and I go to Ignite every year and her presentation was one of the best.

    I totally 100% agree with her and have been known on occasion to call out people (usually kids in their teens and 20s} about using that word as a pejorative. When an adult (someone in their 30s or older) with kids uses it in the negative I don't hesitate to say something.
  • whgarrettwhgarrett Posts: 574
    OKAY, I will stop using "gay" as a pejorative. It's going to be really hard though. :D
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,963
    whgarrett wrote:
    OKAY, I will stop using "gay" as a pejorative. It's going to be really hard though. :D
    Just ask yourself: what's wrong about gayness??

    To me, you're technically throwing compliments at people or things by calling them that (it's the intent behind the word that's harmful, not the word or what it means or stands for). So how come to you it's a slam? Assuming you're not a homophobe (and I don't think you are?), if you think of it in those literal terms of gay not being being negative at all, perhaps using the word like that, as a dig, won't even make sense to you anymore.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,084
    whgarrett wrote:
    OKAY, I will stop using "gay" as a pejorative. It's going to be really hard though. :D

    Agreed with PJ_Soul, above. Also, whg:

    Definition: Pejorative, A pejorative (also term of abuse or derogatory term) is a word or grammatical form that connotes negativity and expresses contempt or distaste.

    If you remember this definition and don't have a bias against gays, then you won't have a problem avoiding negative use of the word "gay".
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  • whgarrettwhgarrett Posts: 574
    The funny thing is that I hear the term used by homosexuals more than anyone I know.

    Those I work with consistently use it, sometimes even at me.

    If I do something like dance around or portray some emotional attachment to a cause or object they are quick to tell me "that's gay" "you are being so gay right now."

    I think everyone has such a small amount of time on this planet that I shouldn't judge them for what lifestyle choices they make.

    It's hard enough just to get by.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,084
    whgarrett wrote:
    The funny thing is that I hear the term used by homosexuals more than anyone I know.

    Those I work with consistently use it, sometimes even at me.

    If I do something like dance around or portray some emotional attachment to a cause or object they are quick to tell me "that's gay" "you are being so gay right now."

    I think everyone has such a small amount of time on this planet that I shouldn't judge them for what lifestyle choices they make.

    It's hard enough just to get by.

    Same reason blacks use the "n" word, etc. It's taking the work back and it's their right. (I don't think I would... but how do I know?) I kind of envy people who can do that- who have some kind of identity to take back. Other than being half Amish (which is European anyway) I'm typical Heinz 57 variety white guy. What is somebody going to call me? Pickle relish? Ketchup?

    As for someone saying you're acting gay, take it as a complement and say, "thanks". It's their loss if the have a problem with it. I'll tell you quite frankly, I've been mistaken for being gay before. My wife even thought I might be gay when she first met me. (We got that straightened out :lol: ) I don't take it as an insult at all. I like it that people recognize that I have certain sensitivities and wasn't born with a linebacker's build. Actually, that could be an asset if I were gay... :lol: ...but you know what I mean.
    “The fear of death follows from the fear of life. A man [or woman] who lives fully is prepared to die at any time.” Variously credited to Mark Twain or Edward Abbey.
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  • CAVSTARR313CAVSTARR313 Posts: 8,756
    While lost in a car with my homosexual family member, we came to an intersection and I told him to "go straight"..

    He replied in a tizy "I can't!! but, I can go gayly forward!!!"

    Love it and I always say it now!!!
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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,963
    Caveeze wrote:
    While lost in a car with my homosexual family member, we came to an intersection and I told him to "go straight"..

    He replied in a tizy "I can't!! but, I can go gayly forward!!!"

    Love it and I always say it now!!!
    :lol:
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  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Caveeze wrote:
    While lost in a car with my homosexual family member, we came to an intersection and I told him to "go straight"..

    He replied in a tizy "I can't!! but, I can go gayly forward!!!"

    Love it and I always say it now!!!
    Thanks for the :mrgreen:

    To me, there's nothing "wrong" with being gay any more than with being straight. It just is.
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    Huh. This thread made me revisit a memory.

    I was in my mid/late 20s and for various reasons, wasn't really into dating - it seemed, I dunno...tedious.

    Had my mom and stepdad over for dinner one evening, having some wine and conversation - which turned to my dating life (or lack thereof).

    My mom asked me if I was gay, and I said no.

    My stepdad (just *slightly* homophobic :roll: ) asked, "so, you're NOT gay?" In that tone - THAT tone...sure you've all heard it at some point.

    I said I'm not, but what if I were? So what? Would you somehow see ME differently? The ME that accepted you into my life even though you were half-responsible for breaking up my parents' marriage?

    That's always stuck in my head...sometimes it amuses me and other times...the stench of judgment makes me sad, even these many years later.
  • Leezestarr313Leezestarr313 Temple of the cat Posts: 14,352
    I think it's interesting that this phenomenon is also present in the German language. I always despised it. I have a lot of friends who are gay. They can use it if they want to. But I won't.

    What about the use of the word fag for a cigarette?
  • hedonisthedonist Posts: 24,524
    I think it's interesting that this phenomenon is also present in the German language. I always despised it. I have a lot of friends who are gay. They can use it if they want to. But I won't.

    What about the use of the word fag for a cigarette?
    Context/intent is everything...well, most everything.
  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 49,963
    I think it's interesting that this phenomenon is also present in the German language. I always despised it. I have a lot of friends who are gay. They can use it if they want to. But I won't.

    What about the use of the word fag for a cigarette?

    It's a different word altogether. No relation to gay people. :)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,084
    I think it's interesting that this phenomenon is also present in the German language. I always despised it. I have a lot of friends who are gay. They can use it if they want to. But I won't.

    What about the use of the word fag for a cigarette?

    When I was a kid we sometimes referred to a branch for fire wood as a "faggot". I had no idea the word meant anything other than that. The first time I was offered a cigarette in the eight grade a friend of mine wanted to know if i wanted to smoke a "fag". He had swiped a few cigarettes from his dad. I thought it was cool that he knew the proper English term for a smoke. It's interesting how language changes... but not always for the best.
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  • This speaker did one very impressive job.

    then, this thread is good (at least I think so).
    PJ_Soul wrote:
    If I hear someone say this it strikes me as pretty strange. I don 't think I've used the term in front of anyone for a long long time. But it was a really common use of the word when I was younger for years - it really never occurred to anyone that there was anything wrong with it I don't think - and I guess it stuck in my brain, because every once in a while I find myself using the term when talking to myself the way we all do... and I noticed that I'd said it, and found THAT strange. It came out as a matter of old, old habit I guess... I was just surprised that it was still somewhere in my head. But for the most part, I think using the word gay as a pejorative is almost a thing of the past, at least here in Vancouver. Gay is what a homosexual male is (most don't call lesbians gay for some reason... where do lesbians stand on that??).

    Then, Whygarret makes a comment about how he's never really thought about it but will try to check himself. I see this as a very honest assessement, one most of us can relate to.

    But then I read where KAT feels the need to warn us to behave? I don't get it.
    Well, I'm with JasonP; I too learned the meaning of pejorative today!
    But, I agree with the ones who plan to be more sensative about using the word gay (though it's a term I'm personally not guilty of a flippant use of) but rather, I'm one of those who've never thought much about it. I'd say it's cuz we use our own morals to guide us -- not KATs.
    I'm intolerant of intolerance. And, this goes for anyone who assumes that anyone who is NOT gay, or black, or jewish or whatever -- might be suspect of being intolerant.
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 6,056
    butterjam wrote:
    Which one??? Lets get them to take care of this problem once and for all!








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  • whgarrett wrote:
    I still use the term. If one on my friends is acting gay, or if they are doing something gay, I tell them.

    So like... if one of your friends is xxxxing you... you say "dude... that's gay."

    Ok.

    And does he say something like "whhppppoommphhhttth.." or like... what? :fp:
  • whgarrett wrote:
    I think everyone has such a small amount of time on this planet that I shouldn't judge them for what lifestyle choices they make.


    For the record... my people find the term "lifestyle choice" to be about as offensive as saying "that's so gay" when saying something is weak or bad or unfair.
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