basically he is weak in the head & heart... he is a straight up coward & one cold blooded ruthless killer who had mental problems that was not ever known until pushed over his little edge... weak, weak, and weak. the dude is a frickin baby.
who gives a fuck if other cops are corrupt? be the good guy cop & in 25 years you may run the LAPD. but noooo he was weak minded & weak hearted. he snitched & it all crumbled & he caved in to his bullshit little mentally ill demons. frickin baby...
who gives a fuck if other cops are corrupt? be the good guy cop & in 25 years you may run the LAPD. but noooo he was weak minded & weak hearted. he snitched & it all crumbled & he caved in to his bullshit little mentally ill demons. frickin baby...
:shock: I agree with him being weak minded and weak hearted... But you seem to be criticizing cops who "snitch" (aka do the right thing) when other cops are corrupt, and with that I STRONGLY disagree. Cops need to get rid of that mentality where they MUST stand with ALL other cops, no matter how bad they are. Cops should also be policing within their own ranks! ... and then ALSO policed from outside of their ranks... those would be the ones that good cops go to when they need to report the bad ones.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
people find ways to defend the indefensible all the time. personally i can't defend a multiple murderer, no matter what they believe that their justification is. especially if he killed relatives of people that he had an issue with.
even the fucking mob keeps the family out of it.
which mob are you speaking of? many mob style organized crime families kill family members. mexican mafia... kill 'em all. old or new eme... on. i can't think of a single crime family of organized mafia style thugary that would not kill everyone/anyone in their path, especially to get revenge on someone...sure they'll off family members.
How anyone can understand the rationale behind mudering someone... because they are related to someone who wronged them in the workplace is... well, beyond my comprehension of logic and reason.
...
Read the so-called 'Manifesto'. It is not a manifesto... it is a timline account of his side of a workplace dispute that is tagged with a farewell speech. He makes some points that should be looked into regarding the conduct of L.A.P.D., but that is where all of his credibility ends.
The FACT is... he snuck up to a parked car and shot and killed a young woman, just because she was born to the man Dorner thought had misrepresented him in a workplace dispute. He also murdered a young man who had absolutely nothing to do with the workplace... other than falling in love with a young woman.
Spin in anyway you want... those are the facts.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
so, he kills the daughter of his lawyer, a riverside county deputy and a san bernardino county deputy...for those of you that aren't aware (of anything) those aren't los angeles police department officers...so his vendetta against the lapd is pretty toothless
...
Exactly. How much revenge did he inflict on the L.A.P.D?
None. other than the indirect sorrow he inflicted on his police representative in his case... by murdering his innocent daughter.
...
Also... it has nothing to do with with corruption within the police. Rather, it is his indictment of how the L.A.P.D., rather, certain officer within the ranks of the L.A.P.D. view race. No corruption... no cover up. Just a grievence of racial misconduct by officers in the department.
All of whom, escaped without a scratch and probably got a ton of overtime pay.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
Some people see only black and white when in the deep gray is where understanding lies. Must I always say I don't condone the methods used but understand them.
Why?If good could come from bad, the corrupt would be punished here
instead of lying, hiding, and blaming and worst of all pretending, pretending to be good cops.
Change to this police force and probably many across the country should be demanded
in the wake of this but instead we will focus one one man's revenge cause it's so much easier.
Why feel his pain at all? Or listen to what he wanted us to do.
This isn't intended to be rude, but who asked you to clarify whether or not you condone his actions?
Of course all should be done to limit or possibly eliminate the big blue meanies. Gotta feeling some of that will come to pass.
I don't think you ever do intend to be rude. :?
Defend condone whatever it is not what I am doing I am understanding is all
and believe the life he lived up to this point, the stand he took against corruption,
deserves that from me. I am listening to him, his life as a whole, the trauma that brought
him to this place, the message he sent. The big picture that was him.
I think that is important for me to do. Others feel it is important to see what he did in his final
hours and focus on that.
I'd like to think your blue meanies as you call them, seems flippant, ever been at the hands of one?
will get whats coming to them but it will be like here in Atl, 10 guys out of counties full of cops.
It takes the inside out just what Dorner was trying to do. A change in attitude.
I'm thinking the people he killed are far from innocent in his eyes after being railroaded for doing what was right in the first place. Every cop that turns a blind eye, stands with corruption
or abuse of power is guilty. Anyone who accepts this.
It's going to take the good in the bunch to stand up and stop this.
10 cops arrested here in metro Atl for corruption a couple days ago. 10 right :? ha!
probably a drip in the big bucket.
Nothing to do with how they treat our citizens, which is often in question,
but for being on the take with drug dealers.
Trickle down now... all those that were busted and jailed rightfully by these 10 involved,
will get new trails and most likely walk. :wtf: At whose expensive?
Cops must be required to be clean, to be fair, to uphold the law otherwise they are no good to us.
Dorner's life was ruined by corruption, so much so he had to fight back
and get this message out.
Walk a mile.
Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.
understanding not defending what he did was more than wrong,
it's just not so black and white for me
I'm thinking the people he killed are far from innocent in his eyes after being railroaded for doing what was right in the first place. Every cop that turns a blind eye, stands with corruption
or abuse of power is guilty. Anyone who accepts this.
It's going to take the good in the bunch to stand up and stop this.
10 cops arrested here in metro Atl for corruption a couple days ago. 10 right :? ha!
probably a drip in the big bucket.
Nothing to do with how they treat our citizens, which is often in question,
but for being on the take with drug dealers.
Trickle down now... all those that were busted and jailed rightfully by these 10 involved,
will get new trails and most likely walk. :wtf: At whose expensive?
Cops must be required to be clean, to be fair, to uphold the law otherwise they are no good to us.
Dorner's life was ruined by corruption, so much so he had to fight back
and get this message out.
Walk a mile.
Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.
understanding not defending what he did was more than wrong,
it's just not so black and white for me
It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.
that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understanding
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.
It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.
...
Bingo!
If you understand Dorner's reasoning, you are in agreement with him. Dorner's reasoning led him to wage an asymetrical war on the L.A.P.D. because he felt he had run out of options to settle his grievences. If you understand his reasoning, you agree with the justification attached to it.
Most of us understand that he had a dispute with his co-worker and employer. He faced a board which came to a conclusion that was unsatisfactory to him.
In order to truely understand him, you HAVE to understand the facts of the dispute. Those are not available to us at this time. All we have to go on is HIS SIDE of the story. If you base your understandings on one side of a story... you possess no true understanding.
Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.
that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understanding
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.
You understand why someone murdered innocent people?
My understanding is that he is a piece of shit psycopath who deserves what he got. Good riddance.
It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.
that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understanding
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.
I guess that's where the gap is... understanding why he did it. Not sure how you can understand that. I understand what he was possibly dealing with in the police force... I understand that he was experiencing a lot of frustration, and that he was very disillusioned, and I understand that he felt something needs to be done to stop police corruption and/or abuse of power .... That does NOT lead to me understanding why he felt those feelings justified killing people and initiating a nationwide manhunt and then terrorizing people for their car, etc etc etc.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.
that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understanding
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.
You understand why someone murdered innocent people?
My understanding is that he is a piece of shit psycopath who deserves what he got. Good riddance.
What some experience and are driven to speak to actions.
Motives for why someone does something in their life speaks to heart.
Both apply to killers.
You understand why someone murdered innocent people?
My understanding is that he is a piece of shit psycopath who deserves what he got. Good riddance.
...
Dorner loses all sympathy with his cause when he sneeks up from behind and murders two people sitting in a parked car after having dinner. He loses more when he pull alongside a police cruiser and opens fire on them.
Any sympathy for his cause is lost... even if it was a just cause... when he murders people in cold blood.
The SAME way terrorists lose sympathy for their causes when they blow up innocent people in the name of their cause. Their cause is tainted when stained in blood.
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Allen Fieldhouse, home of the 2008 NCAA men's Basketball Champions! Go Jayhawks!
Hail, Hail!!!
None of us will ever understand why he did it. Even if one of us was a murderer or had the capability to murder innocent people, we still wouldnt understand. We can ask questions though, and guess on his motives. But in the end, we all agree that what he did was wrong. Would any one of us had done the same things he did if we were in his shoes? I hope not, so no, we cant understand. What we can hope for is that if someone is in his position again, that perhaps they have enough wits to approach their conundrum in a different manner than murder. There are many ways to expose corruption. Its quite possible he was just another madman that wanted media limelight attention.. who knows?
I'm thinking the people he killed are far from innocent in his eyes after being railroaded for doing what was right in the first place. Every cop that turns a blind eye, stands with corruption
or abuse of power is guilty. Anyone who accepts this.
It's going to take the good in the bunch to stand up and stop this.
10 cops arrested here in metro Atl for corruption a couple days ago. 10 right :? ha!
probably a drip in the big bucket.
Nothing to do with how they treat our citizens, which is often in question,
but for being on the take with drug dealers.
Trickle down now... all those that were busted and jailed rightfully by these 10 involved,
will get new trails and most likely walk. :wtf: At whose expensive?
Cops must be required to be clean, to be fair, to uphold the law otherwise they are no good to us.
Dorner's life was ruined by corruption, so much so he had to fight back
and get this message out.
Walk a mile.
Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.
It's called baiting. And everyone is seemingly falling for it...
You understand why someone murdered innocent people?
My understanding is that he is a piece of shit psycopath who deserves what he got. Good riddance.
...
Dorner loses all sympathy with his cause when he sneeks up from behind and murders two people sitting in a parked car after having dinner. He loses more when he pull alongside a police cruiser and opens fire on them.
Any sympathy for his cause is lost... even if it was a just cause... when he murders people in cold blood.
The SAME way terrorists lose sympathy for their causes when they blow up innocent people in the name of their cause. Their cause is tainted when stained in blood.
It's not black and white for me either... But you ARE defending him in your understanding, which is actually not a hard concept to understand FYI. We get that you are understanding him. We just aren't agreeing with your understanding.
that's great we certainly do not have to agree, I do not expect much understanding
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.
I guess that's where the gap is... understanding why he did it. Not sure how you can understand that. I understand what he was possibly dealing with in the police force... I understand that he was experiencing a lot of frustration, and that he was very disillusioned, and I understand that he felt something needs to be done to stop police corruption and/or abuse of power .... That does NOT lead to me understanding why he felt those feelings justified killing people and initiating a nationwide manhunt and then terrorizing people for their car, etc etc etc.
You are not really feeling him. Take it through his adult life.
Who he was, what he worked for, what was important to him. His history a good one.
Remember he was spoken highly of, a good man. Those who knew him many said so.
He thought the brotherhood of officers was trustworthy. Then he saw they were not.
He did what was right.
He was fired, called a liar when he told the truth.
His life was not only ruined but his dreams, goals, who he saw himself as and most important
what the world then saw him as ... unjustly. He spoke of his name taken from him.
His honor. They took his life away from him for fighting against corruption.
He had no life ahead of him.
That leads me to understand his actions. They will never be the right actions of course
but I understand them. It leads me to understand his motives as well.
The interviews I heard he was only kind to all citizens he came up against.
A madman so ruthless as portrayed would have left bodies in his wake, he was neither,
but he was on a mission to send a message of change. Do we think it could be possible
the next time the corrupt think to fire someone telling the truth they will think twice,
I don't know. But to allow them to go unpunished and continue to abuse power
is as wrong as what this guy did.
I'm thinking the people he killed are far from innocent in his eyes after being railroaded for doing what was right in the first place. Every cop that turns a blind eye, stands with corruption
or abuse of power is guilty. Anyone who accepts this.
It's going to take the good in the bunch to stand up and stop this.
10 cops arrested here in metro Atl for corruption a couple days ago. 10 right :? ha!
probably a drip in the big bucket.
Nothing to do with how they treat our citizens, which is often in question,
but for being on the take with drug dealers.
Trickle down now... all those that were busted and jailed rightfully by these 10 involved,
will get new trails and most likely walk. :wtf: At whose expensive?
Cops must be required to be clean, to be fair, to uphold the law otherwise they are no good to us.
Dorner's life was ruined by corruption, so much so he had to fight back
and get this message out.
Walk a mile.
Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.
It's called baiting. And everyone is seemingly falling for it...
What's wrong with you? Can I not have my opinion? Is it baiting to give a different opinion?
that's sad Jeanwah even for you. This happens to be how I feel about this person, this subject,
this tragedy, so if you don't mind allow me to speak without your snide comments. I allow you,
God knows.
What some experience and are driven to speak to actions.
Motives for why someone does something in their life speaks to heart.
Both apply to killers.
Since I have absolutely no idea what this means, I'll duck out of this conversation now.
Yes it's basic to understanding people,
we are the sum of what others do to us, what we experience, and what we do to others.
All killers are not the same, not all murder black and white. But like Jonny said we all agree
all murder is wrong.
Wow.... I can't believe you're defending him ... I don't know why I'm surprised, but I still am.
It's called baiting. And everyone is seemingly falling for it...
What's wrong with you? Can I not have my opinion? Is it baiting to give a different opinion?
that's sad Jeanwah even for you. This happens to be how I feel about this person, this subject,
this tragedy, so if you don't mind allow me to speak without your snide comments. I allow you,
God knows.
It's baiting. Going extremely against the grain for the sake of egging people on.
You are not really feeling him. Take it through his adult life.
Who he was, what he worked for, what was important to him. His history a good one.
Remember he was spoken highly of, a good man. Those who knew him many said so.
He thought the brotherhood of officers was trustworthy. Then he saw they were not.
He did what was right.
He was fired, called a liar when he told the truth.
His life was not only ruined but his dreams, goals, who he saw himself as and most important
what the world then saw him as ... unjustly. He spoke of his name taken from him.
His honor. They took his life away from him for fighting against corruption.
He had no life ahead of him.
That leads me to understand his actions. They will never be the right actions of course
but I understand them. It leads me to understand his motives as well.
The interviews I heard he was only kind to all citizens he came up against.
A madman so ruthless as portrayed would have left bodies in his wake, he was neither,
but he was on a mission to send a message of change. Do we think it could be possible
the next time the corrupt think to fire someone telling the truth they will think twice,
Im not sure how you can say that you can feel him or understand him, and others are not.
Comments
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
he fixed his own wagon
:shock: sooo shocked
yep he fucked himself & many others by being a dumb-asshole.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
...
Read the so-called 'Manifesto'. It is not a manifesto... it is a timline account of his side of a workplace dispute that is tagged with a farewell speech. He makes some points that should be looked into regarding the conduct of L.A.P.D., but that is where all of his credibility ends.
The FACT is... he snuck up to a parked car and shot and killed a young woman, just because she was born to the man Dorner thought had misrepresented him in a workplace dispute. He also murdered a young man who had absolutely nothing to do with the workplace... other than falling in love with a young woman.
Spin in anyway you want... those are the facts.
Hail, Hail!!!
Exactly. How much revenge did he inflict on the L.A.P.D?
None. other than the indirect sorrow he inflicted on his police representative in his case... by murdering his innocent daughter.
...
Also... it has nothing to do with with corruption within the police. Rather, it is his indictment of how the L.A.P.D., rather, certain officer within the ranks of the L.A.P.D. view race. No corruption... no cover up. Just a grievence of racial misconduct by officers in the department.
All of whom, escaped without a scratch and probably got a ton of overtime pay.
Hail, Hail!!!
Defend condone whatever it is not what I am doing I am understanding is all
and believe the life he lived up to this point, the stand he took against corruption,
deserves that from me. I am listening to him, his life as a whole, the trauma that brought
him to this place, the message he sent. The big picture that was him.
I think that is important for me to do. Others feel it is important to see what he did in his final
hours and focus on that.
I'd like to think your blue meanies as you call them, seems flippant, ever been at the hands of one?
will get whats coming to them but it will be like here in Atl, 10 guys out of counties full of cops.
It takes the inside out just what Dorner was trying to do. A change in attitude.
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
it's just not so black and white for me
Hail, Hail!!!
just when i thought it was safe to go back to the train
welp http://youtu.be/VoJdb1TLLJQ
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
for him here and no it is not defending his actions what so ever at all.
He was wrong what he did I just understand why he did it. Hence in his shoes.
Bingo!
If you understand Dorner's reasoning, you are in agreement with him. Dorner's reasoning led him to wage an asymetrical war on the L.A.P.D. because he felt he had run out of options to settle his grievences. If you understand his reasoning, you agree with the justification attached to it.
Most of us understand that he had a dispute with his co-worker and employer. He faced a board which came to a conclusion that was unsatisfactory to him.
In order to truely understand him, you HAVE to understand the facts of the dispute. Those are not available to us at this time. All we have to go on is HIS SIDE of the story. If you base your understandings on one side of a story... you possess no true understanding.
Hail, Hail!!!
You understand why someone murdered innocent people?
My understanding is that he is a piece of shit psycopath who deserves what he got. Good riddance.
What some experience and are driven to speak to actions.
Motives for why someone does something in their life speaks to heart.
Both apply to killers.
Dorner loses all sympathy with his cause when he sneeks up from behind and murders two people sitting in a parked car after having dinner. He loses more when he pull alongside a police cruiser and opens fire on them.
Any sympathy for his cause is lost... even if it was a just cause... when he murders people in cold blood.
The SAME way terrorists lose sympathy for their causes when they blow up innocent people in the name of their cause. Their cause is tainted when stained in blood.
Hail, Hail!!!
It's called baiting. And everyone is seemingly falling for it...
Since I have absolutely no idea what this means, I'll duck out of this conversation now.
Could not agree more
Who he was, what he worked for, what was important to him. His history a good one.
Remember he was spoken highly of, a good man. Those who knew him many said so.
He thought the brotherhood of officers was trustworthy. Then he saw they were not.
He did what was right.
He was fired, called a liar when he told the truth.
His life was not only ruined but his dreams, goals, who he saw himself as and most important
what the world then saw him as ... unjustly. He spoke of his name taken from him.
His honor. They took his life away from him for fighting against corruption.
He had no life ahead of him.
That leads me to understand his actions. They will never be the right actions of course
but I understand them. It leads me to understand his motives as well.
The interviews I heard he was only kind to all citizens he came up against.
A madman so ruthless as portrayed would have left bodies in his wake, he was neither,
but he was on a mission to send a message of change. Do we think it could be possible
the next time the corrupt think to fire someone telling the truth they will think twice,
I don't know. But to allow them to go unpunished and continue to abuse power
is as wrong as what this guy did.
that's sad Jeanwah even for you. This happens to be how I feel about this person, this subject,
this tragedy, so if you don't mind allow me to speak without your snide comments. I allow you,
God knows.
For fucks sake, Egypt just overthrew one of the most corrupt regimes in the world with a largely nonviolent revolution.
If the people of Egypt can take down Mubarak without violence, Dorner can certainly get his word out there without violence.
There is no understanding. There are no excuses.
Lives are ruined. Families are ruined. People's worlds were thrown up side down.
Fuck understanding.
we are the sum of what others do to us, what we experience, and what we do to others.
All killers are not the same, not all murder black and white. But like Jonny said we all agree
all murder is wrong.
It's baiting. Going extremely against the grain for the sake of egging people on.
Im not sure how you can say that you can feel him or understand him, and others are not.
NO WAY!!! NO NO NO.. just no.