No ma'am, I won't register my guns

Hugh Freaking Dillon

catefrances wrote:

not to mention if youre buying your weapons from a reputable source and not using cash, the govt already knows or has the ability to find out cause theres a record of purchase. and if youre buying your weapons from a private person, there needs to be a record of where a weapon is going and from where it came.... just seems a responsible thing I think.

but CATE, if the big bad government knows what I owns, they might send a swatter team to comes confiscate what I gots! I'm not letting those basterds into my bunker!!!

catefrances

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

catefrances wrote:

not to mention if youre buying your weapons from a reputable source and not using cash, the govt already knows or has the ability to find out cause theres a record of purchase. and if youre buying your weapons from a private person, there needs to be a record of where a weapon is going and from where it came.... just seems a responsible thing I think.

but CATE, if the big bad government knows what I owns, they might send a swatter team to comes confiscate what I gots! I'm not letting those basterds into my bunker!!!

and the funny thing im the one that comes from the country that started as a penal colony.

pdalowsky

RustyShackelford wrote:

A city in the United States was turned into a Police State last week!!!! Watertown, MA was indeed a police state whether you want to beieve it or not. People were forced out of their homes at gun point, hands up, and were frisked, to allow the police to search it without resistance from the homeowner.

You objected to this ?

RustyShackelford

pdalowsky wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

A city in the United States was turned into a Police State last week!!!! Watertown, MA was indeed a police state whether you want to beieve it or not. People were forced out of their homes at gun point, hands up, and were frisked, to allow the police to search it without resistance from the homeowner.

You objected to this ?

Is this a serious question? Do I object to complete government control of an American city? You're damn right I object to that. I object to citizen's rights being violated. I object to the Constitution being violated. Go ahead, call me crazy. It scares the shit out of me that American's would welcome being pulled out of their own home at gun point and have their property illegally search without objection.

pdalowsky

RustyShackelford wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

A city in the United States was turned into a Police State last week!!!! Watertown, MA was indeed a police state whether you want to beieve it or not. People were forced out of their homes at gun point, hands up, and were frisked, to allow the police to search it without resistance from the homeowner.

You objected to this ?

Is this a serious question? Do I object to complete government control of an American city? You're damn right I object to that. I object to citizen's rights being violated. I object to the Constitution being violated. Go ahead, call me crazy. It scares the shit out of me that American's would welcome being pulled out of their own home at gun point and have their property illegally search without objection.

Very serious question.

Americans would hardly welcome it but those that have nothing to hide have nothing to worry about.

And when the ends justify the means then law enforcement must do everything they can to make the lives of those in that city safe.

or we could just shrug and let the guy go, i mean its unconstitutional to conduct a manhunt for a danerous terrorist.

Im starting to wonder if you are just an online wind up merchant

pandora

RustyShackelford wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

A city in the United States was turned into a Police State last week!!!! Watertown, MA was indeed a police state whether you want to beieve it or not. People were forced out of their homes at gun point, hands up, and were frisked, to allow the police to search it without resistance from the homeowner.

You objected to this ?

Is this a serious question? Do I object to complete government control of an American city? You're damn right I object to that. I object to citizen's rights being violated. I object to the Constitution being violated. Go ahead, call me crazy. It scares the shit out of me that American's would welcome being pulled out of their own home at gun point and have their property illegally search without objection.

Amen...
We have a real problem in our country with apathy, sheep mentality, nanny needers ...
it's scary the amount of people who care nothing about their rights.
But then again we are talking about those who do not want guns owned privately
because they do not feel the need.

Looking at statistics,
the number of gun deaths a year compared to those guns owned responsibly,
not even taking into account the illegal guns that comprise so much of gun violence,
the gun opponents do not have a leg to stand on because the fraction is so minuscule.
So incredibly out of balance.

The fact that gun sales are growing annually at an extremely high rate
and safety training along with carry permits are in high demand,
is the very best way to fight gun opponents and protect our Second Amendment.

This the public is learning so the need to own a gun not only comprises safety,
preparedness, desire but now to maintain our rights and use the best voice we have...
action.

Along with this education for those choosing to exercise their rights legally, must be guaranteed,
must be demanded to continue to grow responsible gun owner numbers.

aerial

Did the bombers register there guns?....from what I heard no....so if they had, would that have kept them from shooting at the police? No.......so we still need to figure out how to keep guns from criminals and not law abiding citizens....

catefrances

aerial wrote:

Did the bombers register there guns?....from what I heard no....so if they had, would that have kept them from shooting at the police? No.......so we still need to figure out how to keep guns from criminals and not law abiding citizens....

I think the fact that theyd detonated a bomb killing people, which lead to their confrontation with law enforcement, makes it irrelevant that their guns were registered or not, don't you think?

fife

RustyShackelford wrote:

fife wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

We've already covered these things many pages ago. But if we must go back, registration is one step closer to confiscation. The government has no right to know what guns you have. Background checks are required to purchase firearms. I've gone to gun shows and gun shops and have filled out the same paperwork and have waited for the same phone call to be completed.

you asked what people wanted and i told you.

as someone here wrote before, not all states have the same laws concerning gun shows and gun shops and personal sales.

Canada has a gun registry and guess what we still have guns.

That acutally sounds terrifying to me. The government knows exactly what guns you have...Is that really any of their business?

that funny I am terrified about having idiots shooting me. (sorry I think this might come out wrong. I am not calling you an idiot) but going back, you say that registration is one step closer to confiscation. I am showing you that Canada does register and no one guns have been confiscated.

Jason P

Gun Show Vendor Jokes With Insane Customer About How He Hopes He's Not Insane

ANDERSON, IN—While he was selling mentally unstable customer Bernie Lovell a brand-new hunting rifle earlier this afternoon, local gun show vendor Mark Palmer joked with the new firearm owner and insane man about how he “sure hopes” he’s not insane. “Boy, that sure would be something if you turned out to be one of those lunatics who shoots up a school or a mall or whatnot, right? Ha, ha!” said Palmer, laughing unknowingly with a clinically deranged individual about how the man “better not be a crazy person.” “Promise not to do that? Ha, just kidding! Anyway, you need some ammo with this?”

Immediately after the two finished laughing, Lovell grabbed the rifle, stared blankly at Palmer’s face for 20 seconds, and left the gun show.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gun-show-vendor-jokes-with-insane-customer-about-h,32164/

pdalowsky

Jason P wrote:

Gun Show Vendor Jokes With Insane Customer About How He Hopes He's Not Insane

ANDERSON, IN—While he was selling mentally unstable customer Bernie Lovell a brand-new hunting rifle earlier this afternoon, local gun show vendor Mark Palmer joked with the new firearm owner and insane man about how he “sure hopes” he’s not insane. “Boy, that sure would be something if you turned out to be one of those lunatics who shoots up a school or a mall or whatnot, right? Ha, ha!” said Palmer, laughing unknowingly with a clinically deranged individual about how the man “better not be a crazy person.” “Promise not to do that? Ha, just kidding! Anyway, you need some ammo with this?”

Immediately after the two finished laughing, Lovell grabbed the rifle, stared blankly at Palmer’s face for 20 seconds, and left the gun show.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gun-show-vendor-jokes-with-insane-customer-about-h,32164/

well I wouldnt want to see anyone take his 'rights' away.

mcgruff10

Jason P wrote:

Gun Show Vendor Jokes With Insane Customer About How He Hopes He's Not Insane

ANDERSON, IN—While he was selling mentally unstable customer Bernie Lovell a brand-new hunting rifle earlier this afternoon, local gun show vendor Mark Palmer joked with the new firearm owner and insane man about how he “sure hopes” he’s not insane. “Boy, that sure would be something if you turned out to be one of those lunatics who shoots up a school or a mall or whatnot, right? Ha, ha!” said Palmer, laughing unknowingly with a clinically deranged individual about how the man “better not be a crazy person.” “Promise not to do that? Ha, just kidding! Anyway, you need some ammo with this?”

Immediately after the two finished laughing, Lovell grabbed the rifle, stared blankly at Palmer’s face for 20 seconds, and left the gun show.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gun-show-vendor-jokes-with-insane-customer-about-h,32164/

is this article even real?

JonnyPistachio

RustyShackelford wrote:

Why does the government need to know if a law abiding citizen is compiling an arsenal? WHY? This is suppose to be a capitialistic society damnit. People have the right to buy whatever the hell they want within the law. Certain types of guns are within the law.

RustyS, I've read some of this thread and although you and I think pretty differently on guns, I appreciate your arguments and your respectful approach. Its a breath of fresh air in this type of debate.

I will do my best to answer this becaus eI am actually in between on a lot of the guns issue. I do not think guns should diasspear/be taken away. I do think that guns like the AR-15 (which were at one time illegal) are a bit excessive and unnecessary for public availability. I think magazines of 30+ rounds is too much.

And as a person who has very seriously considered buying guns, I think better background checks are common sense, gun show sales without background checks are asinine, and internet sales need to have some better rules. But as far as registering goes, I think some good could come out of it -- it would/could put more pressure on responsible gun owners to make sure their guns dont end up in the wrong hands. I honestly cant see the govt going door to door to confiscate guns when there are 300 million of them in the USA. Its not about being one step closer to confiscation, its about being one step closer to having more accountability.

catefrances

mcgruff10 wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Gun Show Vendor Jokes With Insane Customer About How He Hopes He's Not Insane

ANDERSON, IN—While he was selling mentally unstable customer Bernie Lovell a brand-new hunting rifle earlier this afternoon, local gun show vendor Mark Palmer joked with the new firearm owner and insane man about how he “sure hopes” he’s not insane. “Boy, that sure would be something if you turned out to be one of those lunatics who shoots up a school or a mall or whatnot, right? Ha, ha!” said Palmer, laughing unknowingly with a clinically deranged individual about how the man “better not be a crazy person.” “Promise not to do that? Ha, just kidding! Anyway, you need some ammo with this?”

Immediately after the two finished laughing, Lovell grabbed the rifle, stared blankly at Palmer’s face for 20 seconds, and left the gun show.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/gun-show-vendor-jokes-with-insane-customer-about-h,32164/

is this article even real?

oh its real.. tis just that its satirical.

pandora

fife wrote:

that funny I am terrified about having idiots shooting me. (sorry I think this might come out wrong. I am not calling you an idiot) but going back, you say that registration is one step closer to confiscation. I am showing you that Canada does register and no one guns have been confiscated.

yet

but again Canada is NOT America, I realized that on my last visit. But Canadians know this.

peacefrompaul

I think we need to have a crash course in The Onion

mcgruff10

sorry, i don't read the onion.

catefrances

mcgruff10 wrote:

sorry, i don't read the onion.

you should... its hilarious.. mostly cause its a reflection on the truth. and ive a feeling americans need to laugh more.

fife

pandora wrote:

fife wrote:

that funny I am terrified about having idiots shooting me. (sorry I think this might come out wrong. I am not calling you an idiot) but going back, you say that registration is one step closer to confiscation. I am showing you that Canada does register and no one guns have been confiscated.

yet

but again Canada is NOT America, I realized that on my last visit. But Canadians know this.

I don't know what you mean? do you mean that we don't have the same type of relationship with guns that america has?

RustyShackelford

JonnyPistachio wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Why does the government need to know if a law abiding citizen is compiling an arsenal? WHY? This is suppose to be a capitialistic society damnit. People have the right to buy whatever the hell they want within the law. Certain types of guns are within the law.

RustyS, I've read some of this thread and although you and I think pretty differently on guns, I appreciate your arguments and your respectful approach. Its a breath of fresh air in this type of debate.

I will do my best to answer this becaus eI am actually in between on a lot of the guns issue. I do not think guns should diasspear/be taken away. I do think that guns like the AR-15 (which were at one time illegal) are a bit excessive and unnecessary for public availability. I think magazines of 30+ rounds is too much.

And as a person who has very seriously considered buying guns, I think better background checks are common sense, gun show sales without background checks are asinine, and internet sales need to have some better rules. But as far as registering goes, I think some good could come out of it -- it would/could put more pressure on responsible gun owners to make sure their guns dont end up in the wrong hands. I honestly cant see the govt going door to door to confiscate guns when there are 300 million of them in the USA. Its not about being one step closer to confiscation, its about being one step closer to having more accountability.

First, Thank you for understanding that their is always two or more sides to every issue...

In my opinion, the background check situation does need to be handled differently. I know where I live, PA, our background check system is pretty good. At a gun show, you are required to go through the same background check as you would in a gun store. There obviously needs to be a more uniform system.

As far as confiscation goes...Not in my wildest dreams do I believe the government would try to confiscate guns from american citizens on a massive scale. But the fact remains, with registration, leaves the opportunity for it to happen, no matter how small that chance may be.