No ma'am, I won't register my guns

dimitrispearljam

the wolf wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

pdalowsky wrote:

im aware of what can be bought, i was more referring to your suggestion that it would be stupid to buy semi when you can buy fully.....

that kind of mentality is out of my comprehension.

When you have 100s of acres of land at your disposal and no civilizaiton around for miles you need to have things to do to pass the time. Just a hobby. You guys collect vinyl, I collect other things.

My vinyl collection can't kill a room full of people in the wrong hands though.

If I have shit day, month, or year and decide to go all apeshit and take out a few people, my vinyl collection will be of no help to me.

I'm all for you being able to collect guns and fire them as a hobby, but to compare it to other hobbies that has
zero chance of every hurting someone, I can't wrap my head around that argument.

you've been arrested for having a vinyl collection..
You have the right to remain silent and dont play your vinyl
Anything you play or sing may be used against you in a court of music
You have the right to consult an attorney before scream your lungs out to the police and to have an attorney present during spinning your vinyl now or in the future.
If you cannot afford an attorney, need to flip some vinyl to ebay,before any questioning, if you wish.
Knowing and understanding your rights as I have explained them to you, are you willing to play Binaural vinyl without an attorney present?

RustyShackelford

Let me get something straight about my 'collection'. I do not have a mass cache of defense weapons. I do have defense weapons, but they are just for that, defense. My collection is service rifles from WWII. I am working towards collecting one from every country involved in the war. To me this is not a collection of mass murdering weapons, this is a collection of history.

RustyShackelford

Furthermore I am getting tired of the focus only being put on how terrible weapons can be. Do you people even think about what good these weapons can actually have. How many people have been saved from assault, rape, mugging, car jacking, murder, etc... because they had the ability to pull a firearm out to scare off or shoot their would be attacker? You're only looking at one side of the issue.

I think I am going to have to start posting Armed Citizen's articles from around the country showing how a law abiding citizen's life was saved because they had a firearm.

PJ_Soul

RustyShackelford wrote:

Furthermore I am getting tired of the focus only being put on how terrible weapons can be. Do you people even think about what good these weapons can actually have. How many people have been saved from assault, rape, mugging, car jacking, murder, etc... because they had the ability to pull a firearm out to scare off or shoot their would be attacker? You're only looking at one side of the issue.

I think I am going to have to start posting Armed Citizen's articles from around the country showing how a law abiding citizen's life was saved because they had a firearm.

But no one in this thread has suggested that people can't have guns for protection... :?

RustyShackelford

PJ_Soul wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Furthermore I am getting tired of the focus only being put on how terrible weapons can be. Do you people even think about what good these weapons can actually have. How many people have been saved from assault, rape, mugging, car jacking, murder, etc... because they had the ability to pull a firearm out to scare off or shoot their would be attacker? You're only looking at one side of the issue.

I think I am going to have to start posting Armed Citizen's articles from around the country showing how a law abiding citizen's life was saved because they had a firearm.

But no one in this thread has suggested that people can't have guns for protection... :?

Then what are they suggesting. To me it sounds like they don't want any guns at all.

fife

RustyShackelford wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Furthermore I am getting tired of the focus only being put on how terrible weapons can be. Do you people even think about what good these weapons can actually have. How many people have been saved from assault, rape, mugging, car jacking, murder, etc... because they had the ability to pull a firearm out to scare off or shoot their would be attacker? You're only looking at one side of the issue.

I think I am going to have to start posting Armed Citizen's articles from around the country showing how a law abiding citizen's life was saved because they had a firearm.

But no one in this thread has suggested that people can't have guns for protection... :?

Then what are they suggesting. To me it sounds like they don't want any guns at all.

what people are saying is that guns should be registered and also anyone who wants to buy a gun should get a criminal check.

some people here also don't know why people want guns but most don't question that people have a right to have a gun.

RustyShackelford

We've already covered these things many pages ago. But if we must go back, registration is one step closer to confiscation. The government has no right to know what guns you have. Background checks are required to purchase firearms. I've gone to gun shows and gun shops and have filled out the same paperwork and have waited for the same phone call to be completed.

fife

RustyShackelford wrote:

We've already covered these things many pages ago. But if we must go back, registration is one step closer to confiscation. The government has no right to know what guns you have. Background checks are required to purchase firearms. I've gone to gun shows and gun shops and have filled out the same paperwork and have waited for the same phone call to be completed.

you asked what people wanted and i told you.

as someone here wrote before, not all states have the same laws concerning gun shows and gun shops and personal sales.

Canada has a gun registry and guess what we still have guns.

RustyShackelford

fife wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

We've already covered these things many pages ago. But if we must go back, registration is one step closer to confiscation. The government has no right to know what guns you have. Background checks are required to purchase firearms. I've gone to gun shows and gun shops and have filled out the same paperwork and have waited for the same phone call to be completed.

you asked what people wanted and i told you.

as someone here wrote before, not all states have the same laws concerning gun shows and gun shops and personal sales.

Canada has a gun registry and guess what we still have guns.

That acutally sounds terrifying to me. The government knows exactly what guns you have...Is that really any of their business?

PJ_Soul

RustyShackelford wrote:

fife wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

We've already covered these things many pages ago. But if we must go back, registration is one step closer to confiscation. The government has no right to know what guns you have. Background checks are required to purchase firearms. I've gone to gun shows and gun shops and have filled out the same paperwork and have waited for the same phone call to be completed.

you asked what people wanted and i told you.

as someone here wrote before, not all states have the same laws concerning gun shows and gun shops and personal sales.

Canada has a gun registry and guess what we still have guns.

That acutally sounds terrifying to me. The government knows exactly what guns you have...Is that really any of their business?

It is when a crime is committed with said gun or someone is compiling an arsenal, which is the only time they'd ever refer to the registry.

mcgruff10

In your words....what exactly is an "arsenal"? 10 guns? 5 handguns and 2"assault"weapons? How many rounds of ammo?

RustyShackelford

PJ_Soul wrote:

That acutally sounds terrifying to me. The government knows exactly what guns you have...Is that really any of their business?

It is when a crime is committed with said gun or someone is compiling an arsenal, which is the only time they'd ever refer to the registry.[/quote]

Why does the government need to know if a law abiding citizen is compiling an arsenal? WHY? This is suppose to be a capitialistic society damnit. People have the right to buy whatever the hell they want within the law. Certain types of guns are within the law.

rearviewross

PJ_Soul wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

fife wrote:

you asked what people wanted and i told you.

as someone here wrote before, not all states have the same laws concerning gun shows and gun shops and personal sales.

Canada has a gun registry and guess what we still have guns.

That acutally sounds terrifying to me. The government knows exactly what guns you have...Is that really any of their business?

It is when a crime is committed with said gun or someone is compiling an arsenal, which is the only time they'd ever refer to the registry.

People like him have been washed by NRA propaganda, Fox News and Republican talk radio and internet bullshit. They believe Obama has a hidden agenda to take all of their guns and turn the US into a police state. Sounds ridiculous right, because it is, but millions of people believe it.

RustyShackelford

A city in the United States was turned into a Police State last week!!!! Watertown, MA was indeed a police state whether you want to beieve it or not. People were forced out of their homes at gun point, hands up, and were frisked, to allow the police to search it without resistance from the homeowner.

PJ_Soul

RustyShackelford wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

That acutally sounds terrifying to me. The government knows exactly what guns you have...Is that really any of their business?

It is when a crime is committed with said gun or someone is compiling an arsenal, which is the only time they'd ever refer to the registry.

Why does the government need to know if a law abiding citizen is compiling an arsenal? WHY? This is suppose to be a capitialistic society damnit. People have the right to buy whatever the hell they want within the law. Certain types of guns are within the law.[/quote]
Whoa, bad quoting. I did not say that, for the record!

PJ_Soul

RustyShackelford wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

That acutally sounds terrifying to me. The government knows exactly what guns you have...Is that really any of their business?

It is when a crime is committed with said gun or someone is compiling an arsenal, which is the only time they'd ever refer to the registry.

Why does the government need to know if a law abiding citizen is compiling an arsenal? WHY? This is suppose to be a capitialistic society damnit. People have the right to buy whatever the hell they want within the law. Certain types of guns are within the law.[/quote]

Uuhh, someone messed up the quotes. I did not say that, for the record!

catefrances

RustyShackelford wrote:

Why does the government need to know if a law abiding citizen is compiling an arsenal? WHY? This is suppose to be a capitialistic society damnit. People have the right to buy whatever the hell they want within the law. Certain types of guns are within the law.

well cause it only takes one massacre to make someone a law breaking citizen. and as ive asked before(and never received an answer) you register your car, your children, your dog... so why not your weapons?? whats the big deal if you are in fact obeying the law?

RustyShackelford

PJ_Soul wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

That acutally sounds terrifying to me. The government knows exactly what guns you have...Is that really any of their business?

It is when a crime is committed with said gun or someone is compiling an arsenal, which is the only time they'd ever refer to the registry.

Uuhh, someone messed up the quotes. I did not say that, for the record!

Yea, I did mess that up pretty bad. I apologize for that pj_soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon

catefrances wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Why does the government need to know if a law abiding citizen is compiling an arsenal? WHY? This is suppose to be a capitialistic society damnit. People have the right to buy whatever the hell they want within the law. Certain types of guns are within the law.

well cause it only takes one massacre to make someone a law breaking citizen. and as ive asked before(and never received an answer) you register your car, your children, your dog... so why not your weapons?? whats the big deal if you are in fact obeying the law?

this is what I've never understood. only the supremely paranoid think that the government is actively tracking who is building an arsenal (and really, why shouldn't they?).

catefrances

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

catefrances wrote:

RustyShackelford wrote:

Why does the government need to know if a law abiding citizen is compiling an arsenal? WHY? This is suppose to be a capitialistic society damnit. People have the right to buy whatever the hell they want within the law. Certain types of guns are within the law.

well cause it only takes one massacre to make someone a law breaking citizen. and as ive asked before(and never received an answer) you register your car, your children, your dog... so why not your weapons?? whats the big deal if you are in fact obeying the law?

this is what I've never understood. only the supremely paranoid think that the government is actively tracking who is building an arsenal (and really, why shouldn't they?).

not to mention if youre buying your weapons from a reputable source and not using cash, the govt already knows or has the ability to find out cause theres a record of purchase. and if youre buying your weapons from a private person, there needs to be a record of where a weapon is going and from where it came.... just seems a responsible thing I think.