No ma'am, I won't register my guns

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    chadwick wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    No ma'am, if you pass laws I do not like I will not follow them.

    LIBERTY!
    then stop smoking reefer @ 13 billion people. the laws have been passed by big government. no growing or using this green sticky ichy flowering plant. now frickin stop...its the law, man!

    That is valid enough I guess. But I would argue that most of the stoners I know aren't planning a firefight with police if their weed is confiscated. There does seem to be a growing number of gun enthusiasts who cannot say the same. Still, I take your point.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    DS1119 wrote:

    I'm not arguing legal/illegal guns and I'm not talking about Obama. I'm just saying common sense needs to prevail at some point. A gun legal or illegal, shoots a bullet and people die.


    Illegal guns and illegal ammunition causes crime. Legal guns and ammunition provides protection, sport, and food.

    Ok, so if person 'A' has a legal gun, legal ammunition and proper paperwork and registration and all that, stores it legally, safely, unloaded and locked......100%legally done...... Person 'A' gets pissed off at the world one day, or his wife, neighbor,whatever/whoever....... He goes on a shooting spree and kills people. Would that not cause crime?

    I'm just saying guns kill people......quit making them, quit selling them and quit shipping them into our countries..... There's enough of them


    All car deaths in this country were committed using legally obtained cars as well.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497


    Geez you are simple.

    Do you understand the overwhelming majority of gun deaths are the result of legally attained weapons?

    You use the laughing icon. If there was a drooling fool icon I would use it right now.


    No they aren't. Far from it actually. :lol:
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    JimmyV wrote:

    Of course, but at every turn the presence of an armed guard is being touted as a guarantee that these tragedies would be preventable. There is no proof that is indeed the case, and the presence of a second gun firing shots may very well raise the victim count.

    Again...no proof. And if I was a parent of one of the children at that school I would have preferred in hindsight to have someone armed there.
  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    dudeman wrote:
    Look. We have laws against gun violence, background checks, limits on types of weapons we can get and people still target places likely to be unprotected.

    You can't legally have a gun at school, in a movie theater, bars, government buildings..........and these are exactly the types of places shooting sprees occur. Think there might be a reason?

    We've tried tighter restrictions on law-abiding gun owners. It doesn't work. Violent crime increases when criminals know they are targeting unarmed victims.

    It's time we get to the root cause of criminal activity in our homes, schools and within ourselves. Let's prevent people from being victimized and stop them from becoming criminals in the first place.

    We have tried everything else. Why not place armed guards in schools and other vulnerable locations for mass-killings. Do it like the previous (failed) assault weapons ban, in that it will expire if deemed a failure and let the legislation dissolve. At the same time, talk to your kids. Educate them about the evils of the world. Instill the value of life in them and teach them that their actions carry consequences. Lead by example and be aware of the influence your actions have on others.
    dudeman wrote:
    I think he's saying that the guns are not responsible at all. The criminals that got their hands on them were responsible.

    I understand the points you guys are trying to make, they are just incredibly naive and near-sighted. If you hang a "No Weapons Allowed" sign outside any establishment, anyone can assume that they won't be countered with deadly force if they decide to go in and shoot the place up. Hang up some "We will Shoot to Kill any Crazy Motherfucker that Comes to Harm our Children" signs. That is deterrent.
    sorry bud, that is not a deterrent. that is a challenge to the bad guys.

    and if this becomes law, you will register your weapons or you will be a criminal.


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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    JimmyV wrote:
    chadwick wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:
    No ma'am, if you pass laws I do not like I will not follow them.

    LIBERTY!
    then stop smoking reefer @ 13 billion people. the laws have been passed by big government. no growing or using this green sticky ichy flowering plant. now frickin stop...its the law, man!

    That is valid enough I guess. But I would argue that most of the stoners I know aren't planning a firefight with police if their weed is confiscated. There does seem to be a growing number of gun enthusiasts who cannot say the same. Still, I take your point.


    You sure about that?

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  • DS1119 wrote:
    You sure about that?

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    none of these guys planned a firefight with police that confiscated their weed.

    nice try though.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    DS1119 wrote:
    You sure about that?

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    none of these guys planned a firefight with police that confiscated their weed.

    nice try though.


    How do you know? I will say they were all gang bangers who have used illegal weapons in crime and all promote illegal pot smoking.
  • DS1119 wrote:
    How do you know? I will say they were all gang bangers who have used illegal weapons in crime and all promote illegal pot smoking.
    because none of them have been tried for shooting a cop...

    and if any of them have been arrested for gun violations they would have been in jail for a long, long time. suge knight has been arrested for assault and stuff, snoop and weezy have been arrested for having weed and possessing weapons, but as far as i know they never committed a violent crime with them.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    DS1119 wrote:
    How do you know? I will say they were all gang bangers who have used illegal weapons in crime and all promote illegal pot smoking.
    because none of them have been tried for shooting a cop...

    and if any of them have been arrested for gun violations they would have been in jail for a long, long time. suge knight has been arrested for assault and stuff, snoop and weezy have been arrested for having weed and possessing weapons, but as far as i know they never committed a violent crime with them.


    So...because they may or may not have targeted a cop with the illegal weapons they possessed they aren't criminals? Interesting. Also, interesting that it's kind of shrugged off they were arrested for illegal weapons possession, but heck they didn't do anything with them...maybe. But yet some feel we need to penalize the legal gun owners? :?
  • DS1119 wrote:
    So...because they may or may not have targeted a cop with the illegal weapons they possessed they aren't criminals? Interesting. Also, interesting that it's kind of shrugged off they were arrested for illegal weapons possession, but heck they didn't do anything with them...maybe. But yet some feel we need to penalize the legal gun owners? :?
    no, you made the claim that they were going to attack the police who confiscated their weed. not me.

    snoop's gun was his own.

    i don't give a shit if people have a pistol. nobody anywhere is advocating making pistols or hunting rifles illegal. none of these guys got busted with military grade weapons.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    DS1119 wrote:
    So...because they may or may not have targeted a cop with the illegal weapons they possessed they aren't criminals? Interesting. Also, interesting that it's kind of shrugged off they were arrested for illegal weapons possession, but heck they didn't do anything with them...maybe. But yet some feel we need to penalize the legal gun owners? :?
    no, you made the claim that they were going to attack the police who confiscated their weed. not me.

    snoop's gun was his own.
    don't give a shit if people have a pistol. nobody anywhere is advocating making pistols or hunting rifles illegal. none of these guys got busted with military grade weapons.

    I never said they were going to attack the police. You must have misread.
  • DS1119 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    So...because they may or may not have targeted a cop with the illegal weapons they possessed they aren't criminals? Interesting. Also, interesting that it's kind of shrugged off they were arrested for illegal weapons possession, but heck they didn't do anything with them...maybe. But yet some feel we need to penalize the legal gun owners? :?
    no, you made the claim that they were going to attack the police who confiscated their weed. not me.

    snoop's gun was his own.
    don't give a shit if people have a pistol. nobody anywhere is advocating making pistols or hunting rifles illegal. none of these guys got busted with military grade weapons.

    I never said they were going to attack the police. You must have misread.
    no i didn't misread.

    jimmyv said "most of the stoners I know aren't planning a firefight with police if their weed is confiscated. There does seem to be a growing number of gun enthusiasts who cannot say the same."

    and you asked if he was sure about that and you posted the pics of the rappers.
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  • DS1119DS1119 Posts: 33,497
    no i didn't misread.

    jimmyv said "most of the stoners I know aren't planning a firefight with police if their weed is confiscated. There does seem to be a growing number of gun enthusiasts who cannot say the same."

    and you asked if he was sure about that and you posted the pics of the rappers.


    All of the people I posted have been gangbangers. All of them have possessed illegal weapons. All of them promote the llegal use and sale of drugs. Hard to know what their intentions were before they struck it rich promoting this crap to middle America.

    But then again I guess it's ok to assume the ban and over regulation of legally obtained guns will curb the illegal gun violence.
  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    DS1119 wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    That is valid enough I guess. But I would argue that most of the stoners I know aren't planning a firefight with police if their weed is confiscated. There does seem to be a growing number of gun enthusiasts who cannot say the same. Still, I take your point.


    You sure about that?

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
    DS1119 wrote:
    JimmyV wrote:

    Of course, but at every turn the presence of an armed guard is being touted as a guarantee that these tragedies would be preventable. There is no proof that is indeed the case, and the presence of a second gun firing shots may very well raise the victim count.

    Again...no proof.

    Exactly my point. Thanks for backing it up.
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  • DS1119 wrote:

    All of the people I posted have been gangbangers. All of them have possessed illegal weapons. All of them promote the llegal use and sale of drugs. Hard to know what their intentions were before they struck it rich promoting this crap to middle America.

    But then again I guess it's ok to assume the ban and over regulation of legally obtained guns will curb the illegal gun violence.

    you forgot about all the white folk that own illegal guns.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Posts: 10,770
    DS1119 wrote:
    DS1119 wrote:
    You sure about that?

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    none of these guys planned a firefight with police that confiscated their weed.

    nice try though.


    How do you know? I will say they were all gang bangers who have used illegal weapons in crime and all promote illegal pot smoking.

    This might be the most blatantly racist post on this site ever.

    By the way....smoking pot is not "illegal". In 48 staates it is possession and distribution that is illegal.
    But smoking pot is not
  • MoonpigMoonpig Posts: 659
    :fp:
    Wow, never takes long for the racism to show itself.

    Side note, was thinking of it earlier, if some of you gun nuts refuse to abide by any new regulations that are put into place, does this not by right, mean you are breaking the law, i.e. make you a "bad guy" as some like to so eloquently put it.

    And haven't those same people mentioned that it should be the goal of everyone to ensure the bad guys don't get their hands on said weapons. Does this mean that it is okay for law enforecement to take your weapons from you are you are not now classed as a law abiding/responsible gun owner?
  • Moonpig wrote:
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    Wow, never takes long for the racism to show itself.

    Side note, was thinking of it earlier, if some of you gun nuts refuse to abide by any new regulations that are put into place, does this not by right, mean you are breaking the law, i.e. make you a "bad guy" as some like to so eloquently put it.

    And haven't those same people mentioned that it should be the goal of everyone to ensure the bad guys don't get their hands on said weapons. Does this mean that it is okay for law enforecement to take your weapons from you are you are not now classed as a law abiding/responsible gun owner?
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  • hypothetical for gun folks:

    a guy in a mall takes out a machine gun and just starts popping off innocent bystanders. a guy with a carry and conceal permit takes out his gun, starts firing, takes out the shooter, but in the melee, also kills a 24 year old student by accident.

    is he a hero, or a murderer who should be in prison?
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  • mikepegg44mikepegg44 Posts: 3,353
    hypothetical for gun folks:

    a guy in a mall takes out a machine gun and just starts popping off innocent bystanders. a guy with a carry and conceal permit takes out his gun, starts firing, takes out the shooter, but in the melee, also kills a 24 year old student by accident.

    is he a hero, or a murderer who should be in prison?

    I am not necessarily a gun guy, more of a gun rights guy

    More than likely the CCW permit holder broke the law when they carried in the mall.

    A CCW permit holder should be treated just as if a police officer shoots an innocent bystander if the mall didn't ban guns, if they did ban guns I would bet that some form of criminal charges would be brought against them depending on the recommendations of the DA and the family of the innocent kid.

    If a police man took out the shooter and hit that same innocent bystander, are they a hero or a murderer?
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  • Cliffy6745Cliffy6745 Posts: 33,840
    Um, dude posted pictures of a bunch of black rappers and said that they will start murdering people if their pot was taken away?

    Did that just happen?

    Did that really just happen?

    If lil wayne can't smoke pot he is going to start murdering people?

    Racist much?
  • Cliffy6745 wrote:
    Um, dude posted pictures of a bunch of black rappers and said that they will start murdering people if their pot was taken away?

    Did that just happen?

    Did that really just happen?

    If lil wayne can't smoke pot he is going to start murdering people?

    Racist much?

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  • mikepegg44 wrote:
    hypothetical for gun folks:

    a guy in a mall takes out a machine gun and just starts popping off innocent bystanders. a guy with a carry and conceal permit takes out his gun, starts firing, takes out the shooter, but in the melee, also kills a 24 year old student by accident.

    is he a hero, or a murderer who should be in prison?

    I am not necessarily a gun guy, more of a gun rights guy

    More than likely the CCW permit holder broke the law when they carried in the mall.

    A CCW permit holder should be treated just as if a police officer shoots an innocent bystander if the mall didn't ban guns, if they did ban guns I would bet that some form of criminal charges would be brought against them depending on the recommendations of the DA and the family of the innocent kid.

    If a police man took out the shooter and hit that same innocent bystander, are they a hero or a murderer?

    I'd say he's a terrible cop and should lose is job, at the very least.

    fine. forget the mall. you got all caught up in the mall thing. let's say this scenario plays out in an area where guns are allowed. now answer the question.

    a gun weilding citizen should be treated the same as a cop? really? that's giving society WAY too much power.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,640
    how about all you legally obtained gun owners join a well regulated militia like the first words of the amendment fucking state and I'll shut up.

    Adhere to it AS written and not by a wrong OPINION of a hack judge. As far as I know there was no amendment to the 2nd amendment. Man up, join your local well regulated militia today!!!!
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  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,062
    Anyone who fires a gun is responsible for every single round they fire. No exceptions. It is critical for someone to know their target and what is beyond it. The person in your scenario would be charged with negligent homicide and probably would face a civil suit.
    mikepegg44 wrote:
    hypothetical for gun folks:

    a guy in a mall takes out a machine gun and just starts popping off innocent bystanders. a guy with a carry and conceal permit takes out his gun, starts firing, takes out the shooter, but in the melee, also kills a 24 year old student by accident.

    is he a hero, or a murderer who should be in prison?

    I am not necessarily a gun guy, more of a gun rights guy

    More than likely the CCW permit holder broke the law when they carried in the mall.

    A CCW permit holder should be treated just as if a police officer shoots an innocent bystander if the mall didn't ban guns, if they did ban guns I would bet that some form of criminal charges would be brought against them depending on the recommendations of the DA and the family of the innocent kid.

    If a police man took out the shooter and hit that same innocent bystander, are they a hero or a murderer?

    I'd say he's a terrible cop and should lose is job, at the very least.

    fine. forget the mall. you got all caught up in the mall thing. let's say this scenario plays out in an area where guns are allowed. now answer the question.

    a gun weilding citizen should be treated the same as a cop? really? that's giving society WAY too much power.
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  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
    Now that is a great answer to a baited question.
  • usamamasan1usamamasan1 Posts: 4,695
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    what a interesting perspective.

    The assault on gun rights is an assault on women.

    As demographic, American women are purchasing firearms at the greatest rate in our nation’s history.
    But at the peak, the President and the left, are making a concerted effort to demonize gun ownership and put strict gun controls on law abiding American citizens, which includes women.

    One left wing news publication in New York even went so far as to publish the names and addresses of legal gun owners in areas of New York, as if to shame them.

    Perhaps they didn’t realize when they published these names; they exposed women who were gun owners trying to keep their identities and residences secret in order to evade stalkers. This publication also outed the names and addresses of women judges and police officers, who were legal gun owners.

    The two biggest gun control cities in the US; Chicago and New York City, are already shooting galleries, in spite of their tough gun laws. Law abiding citizens find it difficult to possess a legal firearm, yet the criminals and gangsters are heavily armed….They don’t register their guns and they have high capacity ammunition magazines, in spite of them being illegal.

    Just last week, a Georgia woman alone at home with her two young children was terrified to see a man breaking into her house using a crowbar. She gathered up her children and ran upstairs hiding in a crawl space as the man searched the house looking for them.


    The intruder finally opened the door to the hiding space. But instead of finding helpless victims, he was greeted with 6 shots from a pistol. She shot the criminal 5 times in the face and neck, when the hammer came down on an empty cylinder.


    The gun was empty, but the criminal didn’t know it. She told him she would keep shooting if he didn’t stop. Although severely wounded he was able to get out of the house and climb into his car and drive away, thinking the woman would shoot again.


    If he knew she had no more bullets in her gun would he have harmed her and her children? Suppose there were 2 or more intruders? She would not have had enough ammunition to defend herself and her children.


    Of course the police arrived later to take reports…But they weren’t there when they were needed.


    Many women live alone and want the security of owning a firearm and know how to safely use it. If they want to own a semi automatic rifle with a high capacity magazine, as long as they are law abiding citizens, let them. President Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, Governor’s Cuomo, or Emmanuel, can’t guarantee law abiding citizens a crime free environment, in spite of all of their laws. These politicians should deal with the criminal and mental health problem that that they refuse to address, before they infringe on the 2nd amendment rights of law abiding citizens.


    In spite of the pathetic attempt to wave a magic wand and declare a location a “gun free zone” and make it all better, this has proven to have the opposite effect, as the recent mass shootings have all occurred in “gun free zones.”


    Just like many utopian run cities and locations used to proudly boast they were nuclear free zones, they of course would get incinerated just as crisply as their neighboring cities if a nuke went off near them.


    The 2nd Amendment guarantees American citizens, including women, the right to bear arms and it shall not be infringed upon.

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  • JimmyVJimmyV Posts: 19,173
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    what a interesting perspective.

    The assault on gun rights is an assault on women.

    As demographic, American women are purchasing firearms at the greatest rate in our nation’s history.
    But at the peak, the President and the left, are making a concerted effort to demonize gun ownership and put strict gun controls on law abiding American citizens, which includes women.

    One left wing news publication in New York even went so far as to publish the names and addresses of legal gun owners in areas of New York, as if to shame them.

    Perhaps they didn’t realize when they published these names; they exposed women who were gun owners trying to keep their identities and residences secret in order to evade stalkers. This publication also outed the names and addresses of women judges and police officers, who were legal gun owners.

    The two biggest gun control cities in the US; Chicago and New York City, are already shooting galleries, in spite of their tough gun laws. Law abiding citizens find it difficult to possess a legal firearm, yet the criminals and gangsters are heavily armed….They don’t register their guns and they have high capacity ammunition magazines, in spite of them being illegal.

    Just last week, a Georgia woman alone at home with her two young children was terrified to see a man breaking into her house using a crowbar. She gathered up her children and ran upstairs hiding in a crawl space as the man searched the house looking for them.


    The intruder finally opened the door to the hiding space. But instead of finding helpless victims, he was greeted with 6 shots from a pistol. She shot the criminal 5 times in the face and neck, when the hammer came down on an empty cylinder.


    The gun was empty, but the criminal didn’t know it. She told him she would keep shooting if he didn’t stop. Although severely wounded he was able to get out of the house and climb into his car and drive away, thinking the woman would shoot again.


    If he knew she had no more bullets in her gun would he have harmed her and her children? Suppose there were 2 or more intruders? She would not have had enough ammunition to defend herself and her children.


    Of course the police arrived later to take reports…But they weren’t there when they were needed.


    Many women live alone and want the security of owning a firearm and know how to safely use it. If they want to own a semi automatic rifle with a high capacity magazine, as long as they are law abiding citizens, let them. President Obama, Mayor Bloomberg, Governor’s Cuomo, or Emmanuel, can’t guarantee law abiding citizens a crime free environment, in spite of all of their laws. These politicians should deal with the criminal and mental health problem that that they refuse to address, before they infringe on the 2nd amendment rights of law abiding citizens.


    In spite of the pathetic attempt to wave a magic wand and declare a location a “gun free zone” and make it all better, this has proven to have the opposite effect, as the recent mass shootings have all occurred in “gun free zones.”


    Just like many utopian run cities and locations used to proudly boast they were nuclear free zones, they of course would get incinerated just as crisply as their neighboring cities if a nuke went off near them.


    The 2nd Amendment guarantees American citizens, including women, the right to bear arms and it shall not be infringed upon.

    http://www.irishcentral.com/story/news/ ... 78822.html

    Amazing seeing as how, when written, the Constitution did not grant women the right to vote, never mind bear arms.
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