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  • tempo_n_groove
    tempo_n_groove Posts: 41,767
    dudeman said:
    I'm really curious to see what happens with this. States with legal recreational and/or medical marijuna laws will have their work cut out for them. If nothing else, some interesting legal precedent cases are sure to arise. 
    I'm trying to get a grip on how it would be enforced....drug test at time of gun license application? Do all states even require a gun license? If you already have a license do you have to submit to a drug test to see if you smoke weed? If so...how frequently will this testing occur?


    Drug testing is usually on the federal level. If it is a states right then the drug testing might not be upheld?
  • dudeman
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    dudeman said:
    I'm really curious to see what happens with this. States with legal recreational and/or medical marijuna laws will have their work cut out for them. If nothing else, some interesting legal precedent cases are sure to arise. 
    I'm trying to get a grip on how it would be enforced....drug test at time of gun license application? Do all states even require a gun license? If you already have a license do you have to submit to a drug test to see if you smoke weed? If so...how frequently will this testing occur?


    That's what I want to know too. As it is now, when you purchase a firearm and do your NICS and Form 4473, you have to answer question related to drug use and it specifically lists marijuna. If you answer that you use marijuna, the dealer cannot sell you a firearm. 

    For those people who smoke and answer "No", they have falsified a federal form. 

    I have been hearing for years that some states have been working on a database that cross references people who have medical marijuna cards and also have completed 4473 forms with that question answered "No". 

    What I don't know is whether or not the authorities are going to visit these people and confiscate their guns and prosecute them for lying on a federal document or are they simply going to remove the word "marijuna" from the 4473 form and let it go.
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,698
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    I'm really curious to see what happens with this. States with legal recreational and/or medical marijuna laws will have their work cut out for them. If nothing else, some interesting legal precedent cases are sure to arise. 
    I'm trying to get a grip on how it would be enforced....drug test at time of gun license application? Do all states even require a gun license? If you already have a license do you have to submit to a drug test to see if you smoke weed? If so...how frequently will this testing occur?


    That's what I want to know too. As it is now, when you purchase a firearm and do your NICS and Form 4473, you have to answer question related to drug use and it specifically lists marijuna. If you answer that you use marijuna, the dealer cannot sell you a firearm. 

    For those people who smoke and answer "No", they have falsified a federal form. 

    I have been hearing for years that some states have been working on a database that cross references people who have medical marijuna cards and also have completed 4473 forms with that question answered "No". 

    What I don't know is whether or not the authorities are going to visit these people and confiscate their guns and prosecute them for lying on a federal document or are they simply going to remove the word "marijuna" from the 4473 form and let it go.
    yeah it's weird....and who is to say that at the time you fill out the form you have never used weed but then you changed your mind and like to get really stoned?

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    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    I'm really curious to see what happens with this. States with legal recreational and/or medical marijuna laws will have their work cut out for them. If nothing else, some interesting legal precedent cases are sure to arise. 
    I'm trying to get a grip on how it would be enforced....drug test at time of gun license application? Do all states even require a gun license? If you already have a license do you have to submit to a drug test to see if you smoke weed? If so...how frequently will this testing occur?


    That's what I want to know too. As it is now, when you purchase a firearm and do your NICS and Form 4473, you have to answer question related to drug use and it specifically lists marijuna. If you answer that you use marijuna, the dealer cannot sell you a firearm. 

    For those people who smoke and answer "No", they have falsified a federal form. 

    I have been hearing for years that some states have been working on a database that cross references people who have medical marijuna cards and also have completed 4473 forms with that question answered "No". 

    What I don't know is whether or not the authorities are going to visit these people and confiscate their guns and prosecute them for lying on a federal document or are they simply going to remove the word "marijuna" from the 4473 form and let it go.

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    As well they should. Everyone who has lied on that federal firearm form should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law, a la Hunter Biden. Fucking hypocrites.

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  • mace1229
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    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    I'm really curious to see what happens with this. States with legal recreational and/or medical marijuna laws will have their work cut out for them. If nothing else, some interesting legal precedent cases are sure to arise. 
    I'm trying to get a grip on how it would be enforced....drug test at time of gun license application? Do all states even require a gun license? If you already have a license do you have to submit to a drug test to see if you smoke weed? If so...how frequently will this testing occur?


    That's what I want to know too. As it is now, when you purchase a firearm and do your NICS and Form 4473, you have to answer question related to drug use and it specifically lists marijuna. If you answer that you use marijuna, the dealer cannot sell you a firearm. 

    For those people who smoke and answer "No", they have falsified a federal form. 

    I have been hearing for years that some states have been working on a database that cross references people who have medical marijuna cards and also have completed 4473 forms with that question answered "No". 

    What I don't know is whether or not the authorities are going to visit these people and confiscate their guns and prosecute them for lying on a federal document or are they simply going to remove the word "marijuna" from the 4473 form and let it go.
    I believe the form uses the term "unlawful user."
    I would think someone with a medical card could easily argue they weren't an "unlawful user". Yes, I know the federal law. Still, I would think even. public defender could make that argument.
  • dudeman
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    edited 9:12PM
    mace1229 said:
    dudeman said:
    dudeman said:
    I'm really curious to see what happens with this. States with legal recreational and/or medical marijuna laws will have their work cut out for them. If nothing else, some interesting legal precedent cases are sure to arise. 
    I'm trying to get a grip on how it would be enforced....drug test at time of gun license application? Do all states even require a gun license? If you already have a license do you have to submit to a drug test to see if you smoke weed? If so...how frequently will this testing occur?


    That's what I want to know too. As it is now, when you purchase a firearm and do your NICS and Form 4473, you have to answer question related to drug use and it specifically lists marijuna. If you answer that you use marijuna, the dealer cannot sell you a firearm. 

    For those people who smoke and answer "No", they have falsified a federal form. 

    I have been hearing for years that some states have been working on a database that cross references people who have medical marijuna cards and also have completed 4473 forms with that question answered "No". 

    What I don't know is whether or not the authorities are going to visit these people and confiscate their guns and prosecute them for lying on a federal document or are they simply going to remove the word "marijuna" from the 4473 form and let it go.
    I believe the form uses the term "unlawful user."
    I would think someone with a medical card could easily argue they weren't an "unlawful user". Yes, I know the federal law. Still, I would think even. public defender could make that argument.
    Nevermind. I just looked it up and the form has been updated since the last time I saw one. It looks like it explains right on the form that marijuna use is illegal, even if you reside in a state that allows recreational or medicinal use.
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