More guns equals more problems right? That's people's logic correct? Well then more drugs must equal more problems. SO why the push to legalize pot? It's a drug that comes with problems. Makes perfect sense.
Not everyone who supports gun control supports drug legalization, and so what if they did? It's like saying conservatives are wrong in their position on abortion because of their views on immigration. There may or may not be similar aspects in each issue, but its irrelevant to the argument at hand.
Debate gun control. Drugs have nothing to do with this. Stop looking for other issues to prove your point about gun control. You want to win this debate? Drugs and alcohol aren't the answer ( I can't believe I worked that in). Win your gun control argument with facts, logic, numbers, rhetoric and common sense. You're digging pretty deep these days...
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More guns equals more problems right? That's people's logic correct? Well then more drugs must equal more problems. SO why the push to legalize pot? It's a drug that comes with problems. Makes perfect sense.
Not everyone who supports gun control supports drug legalization, and so what if they did? It's like saying conservatives are wrong in their position on abortion because of their views on immigration. There may or may not be similar aspects in each issue, but its irrelevant to the argument at hand.
Debate gun control. Drugs have nothing to do with this. Stop looking for other issues to prove your point about gun control. You want to win this debate? Drugs and alcohol aren't the answer ( I can't believe I worked that in). Win your gun control argument with facts, logic, numbers, rhetoric and common sense. You're digging pretty deep these days...
Seriously. Comparing guns to drugs makes less sense than comparing apples to oranges.
Seriously. Comparing guns to drugs makes less sense than comparing apples to oranges.
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No, easier than if he wasn't there. You can't steal a gun from someone who isn't there with a gun. I understand you are going to argue every point because this more about right wing dogma than anything else, but c'mon. That point makes no sense.
And someone without a gun there can't protect against some wacko invading the school.
will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
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More guns equals more problems right? That's people's logic correct? Well then more drugs must equal more problems. SO why the push to legalize pot? It's a drug that comes with problems. Makes perfect sense.
Not everyone who supports gun control supports drug legalization, and so what if they did? It's like saying conservatives are wrong in their position on abortion because of their views on immigration. There may or may not be similar aspects in each issue, but its irrelevant to the argument at hand.
Debate gun control. Drugs have nothing to do with this. Stop looking for other issues to prove your point about gun control. You want to win this debate? Drugs and alcohol aren't the answer ( I can't believe I worked that in). Win your gun control argument with facts, logic, numbers, rhetoric and common sense. You're digging pretty deep these days...
More guns equals more problems right? That's people's logic correct? Well then more drugs must equal more problems. SO why the push to legalize pot? It's a drug that comes with problems. Makes perfect sense.
Not everyone who supports gun control supports drug legalization, and so what if they did? It's like saying conservatives are wrong in their position on abortion because of their views on immigration. There may or may not be similar aspects in each issue, but its irrelevant to the argument at hand.
Debate gun control. Drugs have nothing to do with this. Stop looking for other issues to prove your point about gun control. You want to win this debate? Drugs and alcohol aren't the answer ( I can't believe I worked that in). Win your gun control argument with facts, logic, numbers, rhetoric and common sense. You're digging pretty deep these days...
Drugs and guns should very well be compared.
Even if they should be, they aren't here.
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will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
I love your logic...
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will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
I love your logic...
just thinking out loud dimitri... its a bad habit i have.
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will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
I love your logic...
just thinking out loud dimitri... its a bad habit i have.
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will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
Apparently, the only right that matters is the one that says I can tote a six shooter on my hip so when the gun fight breaks out at the OK Corral I can protect everyone...
I haven't really seen anyone here say they want to outlaw guns (well in an ideal world but in our current reality no one is advocating for that). Instead, most everyone is talking about gun control. Why is controlling the clips and magazines off limits? And someone mentioned the police earlier and I looked to see what many street cops carry and they carry handguns with 10 round clips for the most part. So let's be real, this is about the 2nd amendment being more important than other protections promised under the Constitution.
Are we getting something out of this all-encompassing trip?
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
Why not? You have to be drug free to be a teacher and pass a drug test. This violates some people's ideas of their own individual rights. As long as criminals are out there running around with illegal weapons and the US public doesn't want to address the real problems of the criminals....why not do everything to protect the children?
will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
Why not? You have to be drug free to be a teacher and pass a drug test. This violates some people's ideas of their own individual rights. As long as criminals are out there running around with illegal weapons and the US public doesn't want to address the real problems of the criminals....why not do everything to protect the children?
You don't have to take a drug test to be a teacher. I've been working with kids and in schools for 17 years and have never been drug tested. I did have to submit to a background check for my professional license and have to attest every 2 years that I haven't been convicted of any crime (including drug convictions). Ironically the only job I ever had that required a drug test was when I worked at Blockbuster video in high school.
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will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
Why not? You have to be drug free to be a teacher and pass a drug test. This violates some people's ideas of their own individual rights. As long as criminals are out there running around with illegal weapons and the US public doesn't want to address the real problems of the criminals....why not do everything to protect the children?
You don't have to take a drug test to be a teacher. I've been working with kids and in schools for 17 years and have never been drug tested. I did have to submit to a background check for my professional license and have to attest every 2 years that I haven't been convicted of any crime (including drug convictions). Ironically the only job I ever had that required a drug test was when I worked at Blockbuster video in high school.
Maybe not where you are but I know my buddies wife here had to...and has to whenever the school feels they may want another one. And she can't sipute it either. Its a drug test or walking papers. And that's the way it should be in my opinion.
Why not? You have to be drug free to be a teacher and pass a drug test. This violates some people's ideas of their own individual rights. As long as criminals are out there running around with illegal weapons and the US public doesn't want to address the real problems of the criminals....why not do everything to protect the children?
You don't have to take a drug test to be a teacher. I've been working with kids and in schools for 17 years and have never been drug tested. I did have to submit to a background check for my professional license and have to attest every 2 years that I haven't been convicted of any crime (including drug convictions). Ironically the only job I ever had that required a drug test was when I worked at Blockbuster video in high school.
Maybe not where you are but I know my buddies wife here had to...and has to whenever the school feels they may want another one. And she can't sipute it either. Its a drug test or walking papers.
Does she work for a private school? The unions in public schools and colleges don't allow it.
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]Does she work for a private school? The unions in public schools and colleges don't allow it.
Yet another reason to ban unions. They don't protect the rights of the general population or as far as the students they teach in regards to your union, they protect the members rights. Think about it in your own case. You can work teaching students without a drug test but you can't hand out a video at Blockbuster?
]Does she work for a private school? The unions in public schools and colleges don't allow it.
Yet another reason to ban unions. They don't protect the rights of the general population or as far as the students they teach in regards to your union, they protect the members rights. Think about it in your own case. You can work teaching students without a drug test but you can't hand out a video at Blockbuster?
Unions are a whole other issue. The Blockbuster drug test was ridiculous. They did the hair strand test too :? Yeah I always thought it odd that I could be alone with a kid and drive them in my car and not be drug tested. I always thought it should be required. And that background checks should be done on an ongoing basis - not just when you first get your license. But the reason drug testing's not allowed is for the very reason you posted regarding violation of rights.
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]Does she work for a private school? The unions in public schools and colleges don't allow it.
Yet another reason to ban unions. They don't protect the rights of the general population or as far as the students they teach in regards to your union, they protect the members rights. Think about it in your own case. You can work teaching students without a drug test but you can't hand out a video at Blockbuster?
Unions are a whole other issue. The Blockbuster drug test was ridiculous. They did the hair strand test too :? Yeah I always thought it odd that I could be alone with a kid and drive them in my car and not be drug tested. I always thought it should be required. And that background checks should be done on an ongoing basis - not just when you first get your license. But the reason drug testing's not allowed is for the very reason you posted regarding violation of rights.
So in this case it's ok to protect people's rights who are dealing with the public...the public's children...hundreds a day if not more...but somehow it's not ok to allow someone a right to protect their family, household, and possessions? I guess people should stop thinking about the NRA as this big bad evil entity and just start thinking of it as a union...a union that protect's those citizens individual constitutional rights.
Yet another reason to ban unions. They don't protect the rights of the general population or as far as the students they teach in regards to your union, they protect the members rights. Think about it in your own case. You can work teaching students without a drug test but you can't hand out a video at Blockbuster?
Unions are a whole other issue. The Blockbuster drug test was ridiculous. They did the hair strand test too :? Yeah I always thought it odd that I could be alone with a kid and drive them in my car and not be drug tested. I always thought it should be required. And that background checks should be done on an ongoing basis - not just when you first get your license. But the reason drug testing's not allowed is for the very reason you posted regarding violation of rights.
So in this case it's ok to protect people's rights who are dealing with the public...the public's children...hundreds a day if not more...but somehow it's not ok to allow someone a right to protect their family, household, and possessions? I guess people should stop thinking about the NRA as this big bad evil entity and just start thinking of it as a union...a union that protect's those citizens individual constitutional rights.
well the unions aren't created to protect the public, we have the police/military/etc. to serve that purpose. I don't think you want the teacher's union taking that on. Especially considering your view on unions...don't give them even more power DS I think people absolutely have the right to protect their family, household, etc. I don't think that's what's up for debate, although that seems to be the turn the discussion has taken. I think the question is more along the lines of whether or not current gun laws are adding or detracting from that very goal of protection.
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well the unions aren't created to protect the public, we have the police/military/etc. to serve that purpose. I don't think you want the teacher's union taking that on. Especially considering your view on unions...don't give them even more power DS I think people absolutely have the right to protect their family, household, etc. I don't think that's what's up for debate, although that seems to be the turn the discussion has taken. I think the question is more along the lines of whether or not current gun laws are adding or detracting from that very goal of protection.
No. :nono: What gets lost in all of this is people think increased gun legislation on legal gun owners will somehow stop the crime committed by illegal gun owners. It's such a mental and political mind jerk off it's ridiculous.
well the unions aren't created to protect the public, we have the police/military/etc. to serve that purpose. I don't think you want the teacher's union taking that on. Especially considering your view on unions...don't give them even more power DS I think people absolutely have the right to protect their family, household, etc. I don't think that's what's up for debate, although that seems to be the turn the discussion has taken. I think the question is more along the lines of whether or not current gun laws are adding or detracting from that very goal of protection.
No. :nono: What gets lost in all of this is people think increased gun legislation on legal gun owners will somehow stop the crime committed by illegal gun owners. It's such a mental and political mind jerk off it's ridiculous.
I think we all want this kind of violence to stop and have different ideas about what's gonna stop it. As I've said many times, the issue is much larger than guns or mental illness. Those are 2 parts of much bigger problem. Sometimes the shooter has a mental illness...many times not (I know we disagree about this and don't think we need to rehash). In 100% of the shootings guns are involved (obviously), but they certainly don't cause people to become violent nor are they necessary for there to be violence. There is a much larger issue of culture at play here that is a bit overwhelming to address. I think everyone just wants to try to "fix" this in the quickest way possible.
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will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
Why not? You have to be drug free to be a teacher and pass a drug test. This violates some people's ideas of their own individual rights. As long as criminals are out there running around with illegal weapons and the US public doesn't want to address the real problems of the criminals....why not do everything to protect the children?
Are you kidding? If public school teachers had to take drug tests we'd suddenly have a teacher shortage. So many of them smoke weed. Where'd you get the idea that they have to do drug testing?? And how does not doing it endanger kids exactly? Last time I. Checked, drinking was way more dangerous than smoking weed, yet I don't think you'd suggest that teachers be forbidden from drinking (obviously drinking or doing drugs at school is another matter). That's ridiculous. And let's please not turn this into a union debate. :roll: But yeah, how come you think the teachers union shpuld be protecting the public?? Wtf? In any case, forcing someone to be armed outside of corrections and security is so much different from making them do mandatory drug testing I can't even bring myself to go on about. It makes no sense to compare that.
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will it be a requirement of my employment as a school teacher that i be armed??? if so does that not breach my constitutional right to choose NOT to bear arms? or does the 2nd amendment only cover the right to BEAR arms, not the right NOT to?
Why not? You have to be drug free to be a teacher and pass a drug test. This violates some people's ideas of their own individual rights. As long as criminals are out there running around with illegal weapons and the US public doesn't want to address the real problems of the criminals....why not do everything to protect the children?
Are you kidding? If public school teachers had to take drug tests we'd suddenly have a teacher shortage. So many of them smoke weed. Where'd you get the idea that they have to do drug testing?? And how does not doing it endanger kids exactly? Last time I. Checked, drinking was way more dangerous than smoking weed, yet I don't think you'd suggest that teachers be forbidden from drinking (obviously drinking or doing drugs at school is another matter). That's ridiculous. And let's please not turn this into a union debate. :roll: But yeah, how come you think the teachers union shpuld be protecting the public?? Wtf? In any case, forcing someone to be armed outside of corrections and security is so much different from making them do mandatory drug testing I can't even bring myself to go on about. It makes no sense to compare that.
If you read the rest of my posts I explained that my friend's wife is a teacher and subjected to drug tests. She worked here in Albany and the Shenhendowa district and now they are divorced and she works at another school now.
I'm actually stunned to here that teachers aren't subjected to drug tests. Blows my mind actually. We let people who work with children go untested but a person stocking shelves at WalMArt has to take a pee test. Mindblowing. No wonder why teachers are underpaid. They're too busy getting high.
Why not? You have to be drug free to be a teacher and pass a drug test. This violates some people's ideas of their own individual rights. As long as criminals are out there running around with illegal weapons and the US public doesn't want to address the real problems of the criminals....why not do everything to protect the children?
Are you kidding? If public school teachers had to take drug tests we'd suddenly have a teacher shortage. So many of them smoke weed. Where'd you get the idea that they have to do drug testing?? And how does not doing it endanger kids exactly? Last time I. Checked, drinking was way more dangerous than smoking weed, yet I don't think you'd suggest that teachers be forbidden from drinking (obviously drinking or doing drugs at school is another matter). That's ridiculous. And let's please not turn this into a union debate. :roll: But yeah, how come you think the teachers union shpuld be protecting the public?? Wtf? In any case, forcing someone to be armed outside of corrections and security is so much different from making them do mandatory drug testing I can't even bring myself to go on about. It makes no sense to compare that.
If you read the rest of my posts I explained that my friend's wife is a teacher and subjected to drug tests. She worked here in Albany and the Shenhendowa district and now they are divorced and she works at another school now.
I'm actually stunned to here that teachers aren't subjected to drug tests. Blows my mind actually. We let people who work with children go untested but a person stocking shelves at WalMArt has to take a pee test. Mindblowing. No wonder why teachers are underpaid. They're too busy getting high.
That would be a different thread topic. Private schools may drug test, but public schools do not.
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That would be a different thread topic. Private schools may drug test, but public schools do not.
Even more shocking that it's not in public schools. No testing for teachers in public schools dealing with children but someone needs to take a pee test to sort mail. :fp:
That would be a different thread topic. Private schools may drug test, but public schools do not.
Even more shocking that it's not in public schools. No testing for teachers in public schools dealing with children but someone needs to take a pee test to sort mail. :fp:
Not wanting to regulate gun control after the slaying of innocent children because of perceived infringements of rights while at the same time stopping and requesting papers from brown skinned people who's rights you care not an ounce about. :fp:
Seems like some of you cherry pick what you believe are attacks on your rights, but hey that's not new.
That would be a different thread topic. Private schools may drug test, but public schools do not.
Even more shocking that it's not in public schools. No testing for teachers in public schools dealing with children but someone needs to take a pee test to sort mail. :fp:
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That would be a different thread topic. Private schools may drug test, but public schools do not.
Even more shocking that it's not in public schools. No testing for teachers in public schools dealing with children but someone needs to take a pee test to sort mail. :fp:
It's related to something called "funding." While there are a few wealthy school districts in my area, most of them have experienced serious budget cuts in the last few years. Also, the public by and large doesn't put a lot of value on the teaching profession and probably thinks drug testing would be a waste of money.
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Not everyone who supports gun control supports drug legalization, and so what if they did? It's like saying conservatives are wrong in their position on abortion because of their views on immigration. There may or may not be similar aspects in each issue, but its irrelevant to the argument at hand.
Debate gun control. Drugs have nothing to do with this. Stop looking for other issues to prove your point about gun control. You want to win this debate? Drugs and alcohol aren't the answer (
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Seriously. Comparing guns to drugs makes less sense than comparing apples to oranges.
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Drugs and guns should very well be compared.
Even if they should be, they aren't here.
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just thinking out loud dimitri... its a bad habit i have.
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Apparently, the only right that matters is the one that says I can tote a six shooter on my hip so when the gun fight breaks out at the OK Corral I can protect everyone...
I haven't really seen anyone here say they want to outlaw guns (well in an ideal world but in our current reality no one is advocating for that). Instead, most everyone is talking about gun control. Why is controlling the clips and magazines off limits? And someone mentioned the police earlier and I looked to see what many street cops carry and they carry handguns with 10 round clips for the most part. So let's be real, this is about the 2nd amendment being more important than other protections promised under the Constitution.
Seems my preconceptions are what should have been burned...
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Why not? You have to be drug free to be a teacher and pass a drug test. This violates some people's ideas of their own individual rights. As long as criminals are out there running around with illegal weapons and the US public doesn't want to address the real problems of the criminals....why not do everything to protect the children?
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Maybe not where you are but I know my buddies wife here had to...and has to whenever the school feels they may want another one. And she can't sipute it either. Its a drug test or walking papers. And that's the way it should be in my opinion.
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Yet another reason to ban unions. They don't protect the rights of the general population or as far as the students they teach in regards to your union, they protect the members rights. Think about it in your own case. You can work teaching students without a drug test but you can't hand out a video at Blockbuster?
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So in this case it's ok to protect people's rights who are dealing with the public...the public's children...hundreds a day if not more...but somehow it's not ok to allow someone a right to protect their family, household, and possessions? I guess people should stop thinking about the NRA as this big bad evil entity and just start thinking of it as a union...a union that protect's those citizens individual constitutional rights.
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No. :nono: What gets lost in all of this is people think increased gun legislation on legal gun owners will somehow stop the crime committed by illegal gun owners. It's such a mental and political mind jerk off it's ridiculous.
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If you read the rest of my posts I explained that my friend's wife is a teacher and subjected to drug tests. She worked here in Albany and the Shenhendowa district and now they are divorced and she works at another school now.
I'm actually stunned to here that teachers aren't subjected to drug tests. Blows my mind actually. We let people who work with children go untested but a person stocking shelves at WalMArt has to take a pee test. Mindblowing. No wonder why teachers are underpaid. They're too busy getting high.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
Even more shocking that it's not in public schools. No testing for teachers in public schools dealing with children but someone needs to take a pee test to sort mail. :fp:
Not wanting to regulate gun control after the slaying of innocent children because of perceived infringements of rights while at the same time stopping and requesting papers from brown skinned people who's rights you care not an ounce about. :fp:
Seems like some of you cherry pick what you believe are attacks on your rights, but hey that's not new.
"I need your strength for me to be strong...I need your love to feel loved"
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
http://news.yahoo.com/armed-guards-sent ... ories.html