That's fine. There's still plenty of hunting and sportsman channels on tv. There's also still hundreds of shows glorifying violence, 1000's of movies and video games as well. But of course it's the legal gun owners who are the problem. :roll:
I think the main point was that Ted Nugent is an idiot.
And I think the bigger issue was that Ted Nugent is an idiot who failed to draw ratings.
That's fine. There's still plenty of hunting and sportsman channels on tv. There's also still hundreds of shows glorifying violence, 1000's of movies and video games as well. But of course it's the legal gun owners who are the problem. :roll:
I think the main point was that Ted Nugent is an idiot.
And I think the bigger issue was that Ted Nugent is an idiot who failed to draw ratings.
Did he? I didn't know that. I thought they pulled the show because none of the sponsors were willing to have their ads on during his show because of the PR issues that have suddenly arisen. Either way... I hope Ted Nugent never comes back in any way.
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Did he? I didn't know that. I thought they pulled the show because none of the sponsors were willing to have their ads on during his show because of the PR issues that have suddenly arisen. Either way... I hope Ted Nugent never comes back in any way.
From the article:
"As it turns out "Ted Nugent's Gun Country" was not a popular program, only drawing 864,000 viewers by the Nielsen Ratings system."
It goes on to say that the low ratings were not the reason for the cancellation and they may not have been the primary reason. But they sure didn't help.
And I 100% agree with your last sentence. Buh Bye Ted.
Did he? I didn't know that. I thought they pulled the show because none of the sponsors were willing to have their ads on during his show because of the PR issues that have suddenly arisen. Either way... I hope Ted Nugent never comes back in any way.
Personally I don't think he's an idiot but that's not the point. I frankly didn't know he had a show and even if I did probably wouldn't watch. And anything about the network saying they pulled the show because the sponsors wouldn't do it is nothing more than a PR move for A&E. The shows a bomb eveidentaly and what better way to make headlines.
But how effective will one lazy security guard going to be?
As insane as these shooters have been, they have planned these attacks (bought ammo, wrote about it in some cases, planned where and when, etc). How hard is it going to be to plan how to kill or avoid one lousy security guard.
And even the best trained security guard is going to get lazy. Just think about it, in 99% of these schools, nothing is going to happen, a guard is going to have many many long, slow days of walking around doing nothing.
Our guards are not lazy, they get fired for it. Nice of you to assume that they would be lazy btw.
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Correction 5k per bullet is what he wanted, one would be more careful and cautious where and when one shoots.
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WASHINGTON -- In a highly anticipated press conference on Friday, the National Rifle Association announced that after a week of reflection following the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, it decided the way to prevent another such tragedy was to place more guns in schools.
"I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school -- and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January," said the NRA's top lobbyist Wayne LaPierre in a speech at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C.
But having armed security on-site failed to prevent the deadliest mass murder at an American high school.
In 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 15 people and wounded 23 more at Columbine High School. The destruction occurred despite the fact that there was an armed security officer at the school and another one nearby -- exactly what LaPierre argued on Friday was the answer to stopping "a bad guy with a gun."
Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful in stopping him:
Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.
After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."
The second officer was Deputy Paul Smoker, a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket. When he heard a dispatch of a woman injured at the high school, he responded. He, too, fired at Harris but didn't stop him.
LaPierre said having armed security on the scene is necessary so someone is there to shoot back. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said. "Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away -- or a minute away?"
But in chaotic situations, it's often impossible to identify the "bad guy," as Smoker said in his account of Columbine: "There was an unknown inside a school. We didn't know who the 'bad guy' was but we soon realized the sophistication of their weapons. These were big bombs. Big guns. We didn’t have a clue who 'they' were."
"That's the point," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) at a press conference on Friday afternoon, denouncing LaPierre's solution. "There were two armed law enforcement officers at that campus, and you see what happened. Fifteen dead ... 23 wounded."
New Jersey Chris Christie (R) also said on Friday that he doesn't believe having armed guards will make schools safer or encourage learning.
On Wednesday, violence prevention researchers and a large number of education, health and civic groups discouraged putting more guns in schools.
"Inclinations to intensify security in schools should be reconsidered," they wrote in a statement. "We cannot and should not turn our schools into fortresses. Effective prevention cannot wait until there is a gunman in a school parking lot. We need resources such as mental health supports and threat assessment teams in every school and community so that people can seek assistance when they recognize that someone is troubled and requires help."
Research also has shown that highly visible efforts to increase school safety -- such as armed guards -- make children feel less safe at school, undermining their ability to learn.
The NRA did not return a request for comment, and LaPierre refused to answer questions during his press conference Friday. Instead, the organization said it would begin responding to media inquiries on Monday. LaPierre is also scheduled to be a guest on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday.
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WASHINGTON -- In a highly anticipated press conference on Friday, the National Rifle Association announced that after a week of reflection following the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, it decided the way to prevent another such tragedy was to place more guns in schools.
"I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school -- and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January," said the NRA's top lobbyist Wayne LaPierre in a speech at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C.
But having armed security on-site failed to prevent the deadliest mass murder at an American high school.
In 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 15 people and wounded 23 more at Columbine High School. The destruction occurred despite the fact that there was an armed security officer at the school and another one nearby -- exactly what LaPierre argued on Friday was the answer to stopping "a bad guy with a gun."
Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful in stopping him:
Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.
After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."
The second officer was Deputy Paul Smoker, a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket. When he heard a dispatch of a woman injured at the high school, he responded. He, too, fired at Harris but didn't stop him.
LaPierre said having armed security on the scene is necessary so someone is there to shoot back. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said. "Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away -- or a minute away?"
But in chaotic situations, it's often impossible to identify the "bad guy," as Smoker said in his account of Columbine: "There was an unknown inside a school. We didn't know who the 'bad guy' was but we soon realized the sophistication of their weapons. These were big bombs. Big guns. We didn’t have a clue who 'they' were."
"That's the point," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) at a press conference on Friday afternoon, denouncing LaPierre's solution. "There were two armed law enforcement officers at that campus, and you see what happened. Fifteen dead ... 23 wounded."
New Jersey Chris Christie (R) also said on Friday that he doesn't believe having armed guards will make schools safer or encourage learning.
On Wednesday, violence prevention researchers and a large number of education, health and civic groups discouraged putting more guns in schools.
"Inclinations to intensify security in schools should be reconsidered," they wrote in a statement. "We cannot and should not turn our schools into fortresses. Effective prevention cannot wait until there is a gunman in a school parking lot. We need resources such as mental health supports and threat assessment teams in every school and community so that people can seek assistance when they recognize that someone is troubled and requires help."
Research also has shown that highly visible efforts to increase school safety -- such as armed guards -- make children feel less safe at school, undermining their ability to learn.
The NRA did not return a request for comment, and LaPierre refused to answer questions during his press conference Friday. Instead, the organization said it would begin responding to media inquiries on Monday. LaPierre is also scheduled to be a guest on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday.
Great research, NRA.
This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
HARROLD, Texas (AP) — In this tiny Texas town, children and their parents don't give much thought to safety at the community's lone school — mostly because some of the teachers are carrying concealed weapons.
In remote Harrold, the nearest sheriff's office is 30 minutes away, and people tend to know — and trust — one another. So the school board voted to let teachers bring guns to school.
"We don't have money for a security guard, but this is a better solution," Superintendent David Thweatt said. "A shooter could take out a guard or officer with a visible, holstered weapon, but our teachers have master's degrees, are older and have had extensive training. And their guns are hidden. We can protect our children."
In the awful aftermath of last week's Connecticut elementary school shooting, lawmakers in a growing number of states — including Oklahoma, Missouri, Minnesota, South Dakota and Oregon — have said they will consider laws allowing teachers and school administrators to carry firearms at school.
Texas law bans guns in schools unless the school has given written authorization. Arizona and six other states have similar laws with exceptions for people who have licenses to carry concealed weapons.
Harrold's school board voted unanimously in 2007 to allow employees to carry weapons. After obtaining a state concealed-weapons permit, each employee who wants to carry a weapon must be approved by the board based on his or her personality and reaction to a crisis, Thweatt said.
Employees also must undergo training in crisis intervention and hostage situations. And they must use bullets that minimize the risk of ricochet, similar to those carried by air marshals on planes.
CaRae Reinisch, who lives in the nearby community of Elliott, said she took her children out of a larger school and enrolled them in Harrold two years ago, partly because she felt they would be safer in a building with armed teachers.
"I think it's a great idea for trained teachers to carry weapons," Reinisch said. "But I hate that it has come to this."
The superintendent won't disclose how many of the school's 50 employees carry weapons, saying that revealing that number might jeopardize school security.
The school, about 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth near the Oklahoma border, has 103 students from kindergarten through 12th grade. Most of them rarely think about who is carrying a gun.
"This is the first time in a long time that I've thought about it," said Matt Templeton, the principal's 17-year-old son. "And that's because of what happened" in Connecticut.
Thweatt said other Texas schools allow teachers to carry weapons, but he would not reveal their locations, saying they are afraid of negative publicity.
The Texas Education Agency said it had not heard of any other schools with such a policy. And the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence did not know of any other districts nationwide that allow school employees to carry concealed handguns.
But that may change soon.
Oklahoma state Rep. Mark McCullough said he is working on a bill that would allow teachers and administrators to receive firearms training through the Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training, which would authorize them to carry weapons at school and at school events. Other states are proposing or considering similar measures.
However, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder this week vetoed legislation that would have allowed concealed weapons in schools, churches and day care centers, saying he seeks a more "thoughtful review" that includes school emergency policies and mental health-related issues.
In Texas, guns have an honored place in the state's culture, and politicians often describe owning a gun as essential to being Texan. At the state Capitol, concealed handgun license holders are allowed to skip the metal detectors that scan visitors.
Gov. Rick Perry has indicated he would prefer to give gun owners the widest possible latitude. Just days after the Connecticut attack, Perry said permit holders should be able to carry concealed weapons in any public place.
Last year, many Texas lawmakers supported a plan to give college students and professors with concealed handgun licenses the right to carry guns on campus, but the measure failed.
Opponents insist that having more people armed at a school, especially teachers or administrators who aren't trained to deal with crime on a daily basis, could lead to more injuries and deaths. They point to an August shooting outside the Empire State Building, where police killed a laid-off clothing designer after he fatally shot his former colleague. Nine bystanders were wounded by police gunfire, ricochets and fragments.
"You are going to put teachers, people teaching 6-year-olds in a school, and expect them to respond to an active-shooter situation?" said Ladd Everitt, a spokesman for the Washington, D.C.-based Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, who called the idea of arming teachers "madness."
Kristin Rowe-Finkbeiner said she would not have felt better if teachers at her children's Seattle school had been armed during a May shooting at a nearby cafe. A gunman killed four people at the cafe and another woman during a carjacking before killing himself. The school went on lockdown as a precaution.
"It would be highly concerning to me to know that guns were around my kids each and every day. ... Increasing our arms is not the answer," said Rowe-Finkbeiner, co-founder and CEO of MomsRising.org.
Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign, said focusing on arming teachers distracts from the "real things" that could help prevent a school shooting "and at worse it furthers a dangerous conversation that only talks about guns as protection without a discussion about the serious risks they present."
As the debate continues, Harrold's school plans to leave its policy unchanged.
"Nothing is 100 percent at all. ... But hope makes for a terrible plan, hoping that (a tragedy) won't happen," Thweatt said. "My question is: What have you done about it? How have you planned?
Longtime gun lobby ally to lead plan for armed guards at schools
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In 2006, a political ad swept through the state of Arkansas, touting Asa Hutchinson's values as "shaped in rural Arkansas, a half-mile down a dirt road."
In his unsuccessful bid for governor, the former federal prosecutor and U.S. congressman touted his conservative political views and garnered a strong endorsement from the National Rifle Association, a powerful U.S. gun lobby.
On Friday, the NRA announced that Hutchinson - also a former Homeland Security official and now a lawyer predominantly focused on white-collar crime - will spearhead an effort to put armed guards at schools in hopes of preventing mass shootings like the one on December 14 in Connecticut that killed 20 young children and 6 adults.
"School safety is a complex issue with no simple, single solution," Hutchinson said at Friday's news conference. "But I believe trained, qualified, armed security is one key component among many that can provide the first line of deterrence as well as the last line of defense.
His effort, dubbed the National School Shield Program, would have a "budget provided by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires." It will focus on producing a security model, which may rely on local volunteers as armed security guards and would be offered for adoption at every school in America free of charge, NRA officials said.
Opponents of the plan say the United States needs to tighten gun controls rather than introduce more guns into school environments.
NRA has contributed more than $30,000 to Hutchinson's various political campaigns for state and federal offices over more than a decade, becoming one of his top backers, according to the Sunlight Foundation that tracks money in politics.
In a brief stint as a registered lobbyist at Washington law firm Venable LLP Hutchinson in 2007 represented Point Blank Body Armor, a maker of body armor for the U.S. Army, according to another money-tracking group Center for Responsive Politics,.
Hutchinson, now 62, was the youngest U.S. Attorney in the country, when Republican President Ronald Reagan appointed the then-31-year-old to the post in 1982.
In what his political ads later touted as a character-forming experience, Hutchinson at the time put on a flak jacket to negotiate a stand-off between local, state and federal law enforcement and a white supremacist group known as The Covenant, The Sword and The Arm of the Lord.
After unsuccessful bids for Senate and Arkansas state attorney general, Hutchinson became a congressman in 1996, replacing his brother Tim Hutchinson in the U.S. House of Representatives. He later serving as one of the managers during the impeachment of Democratic President Bill Clinton.
At the time, he voted for a bill that would have shortened the waiting time for gun buyers for any necessary background checks to 24 hours.
Hutchinson later went on to become the administrator at the Drug Enforcement Administration and the first under-secretary of the newly-formed Department of Homeland Security under Republican President George W. Bush.
In 2006, he returned to Arkansas for his unsuccessful run for governor, during which he briefly came under fire from his Democratic opponent Mike Beebe for airing an attack ad that featured children delivering the anti-Beebe message, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette at the time.
In an interview with the newspaper in October 2006, Hutchinson also shared his enthusiasm for hunting deer and other game and said his favorite hunting firearms were "a Remington 12-gauge shotgun and a Remington bolt-action .308 deer rifle."
"I think promoting hunting and shooting sports in general is a strong tradition in Arkansas, and it's a tradition that dies out if it is not passed on to the next generation," he told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.
When asked about the connection between hunting weapons and the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Americans the right to bear arms, he said: "To me, it's a matter of freedom, it's a matter of history and tradition, and it's a matter of self-protection."
The school's assistant principal, Joel Myrick, retrieved a .45 pistol from his truck and, spotting him near the parking lot, shouted for Woodham to stop. Woodham instead got into a his mother's car and tried to escape. Myrick, a US Army Reserve commander, detained Woodham until authorities arrived.[8][9]
As much as the anti-gun people hate it, a 'good guy' with a gun at every school would probably deter this from ever happening again. It doesn't have to be a minimum-wage outsider...train someone on the inside (principal, gym teacher, etc.)
A campaign of 'Never again" to get the word out.... do some of you have any idea how scared kids are? Children are feeling anxiety when they go to school. Young children. Too young to be feeling the way they do. These kids would probably welcome an armed person into their school.
This horrible incident might have created a generation of gun lovers. edit to add:I would be surprised if a republican wasn't elected as president next time around.
I've been a member of this message board since the beginning and the same-old, same-old has gotten old.
One side hates guns and the NRA, the other doesn't. Shit is debated to death, threads get hijacked and/or locked and nothing new comes out of it. Nothing. Ever.
While you have been picking out Christmas presents, 28 families have been picking out caskets. The time has come for some REAL change...arguing in circles and name calling isn't the way to do it. Guns in general aren't going anywhere... what else? Banning assault guns is probably gonna happen. what's another angle of stopping this?
Does anyone ever dare that semi automatic hand guns are the real problem which applies to both sides as they both parade around falsely acting like they care about everyday violence. It's all much ado about nothing.
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YOU NEED TO PUT MINES AROUND YOUR HOUSE,BUILD A NEW HOUSE LIKE FORTRESS
AND PUT BAZOOKAS AT EVERY WINDOW!!!
NOW YOU ARE SAFE......
UNFORTUNATELY...YOU ARE STILL ...IDIOT
NO GUN CAN MAKE YOU SMARTER....SORRY...
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Resource officers in schools are very cool. My kids loved ours.
All the schools should have them for numerous reasons but most especially
because it teaches respect and reality.
Well, this was one of the most informative pieces out there and very enlightening. The gun side has its spokesperson.
I guess if you are in a combat zone and the rest of your countrymen are your enemies... then you need an assault rifle. If your neighbours constitute an immediate threat... this guy is right- you need an assault rifle.
I never realized your country was at war with itself and things were so bad. Like the really intelligent guy in the video said to all the "moronic' people like myself, "If you've got your gun in your hand and you're not at the range... you're in a gunfight. What better gun to have in a gunfight!"
I simply couldn't imagine living somewhere... constantly worried about my next gunfight. Questions like: where's my next gunfight gonna be? Who's gonna be my enemy? Do I have enough ammo to win the gunfight? Is my assault rifle in my car in case the next gunfight is at the service station? That guy is looking at me funny... I bet he wants a gunfight?
These questions would always be on my mind. I'd watch everyone really closely and try to get the 'jump' on them in the gunfight if they look suspicious.
Good luck with your fight and getting your country stabilized from its armed conflict.
Resource officers in schools are very cool. My kids loved ours.
All the schools should have them for numerous reasons but most especially
because it teaches respect and reality.
It is a positive thing.
Likewise... if you drop your keys in a river of molten lava... let 'em go. Because man, they're gone.
btw,sometimes feel here at AMT forum,that people describe the situation like under every rock at Usa ,there is a person with mental illness...
like the are more million of people with mental illness than the million of guns..
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Well, this was one of the most informative pieces out there and very enlightening. The gun side has its spokesperson.
I guess if you are in a combat zone and the rest of your countrymen are your enemies... then you need an assault rifle. If your neighbours constitute an immediate threat... this guy is right- you need an assault rifle.
I never realized your country was at war with itself and things were so bad. Like the really intelligent guy in the video said to all the "moronic' people like myself, "If you've got your gun in your hand and you're not at the range... you're in a gunfight. What better gun to have in a gunfight!"
I simply couldn't imagine living somewhere... constantly worried about my next gunfight. Questions like: where's my next gunfight gonna be? Who's gonna be my enemy? Do I have enough ammo to win the gunfight? Is my assault rifle in my car in case the next gunfight is at the service station? That guy is looking at me funny... I bet he wants a gunfight?
These questions would always be on my mind. I'd watch everyone really closely and try to get the 'jump' on them in the gunfight if they look suspicious.
Good luck with your fight and getting your country stabilized from its armed conflict.
yeah..is like every American citizen,daily,has more gunfights than meals..
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
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And I think the bigger issue was that Ted Nugent is an idiot who failed to draw ratings.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
From the article:
"As it turns out "Ted Nugent's Gun Country" was not a popular program, only drawing 864,000 viewers by the Nielsen Ratings system."
It goes on to say that the low ratings were not the reason for the cancellation and they may not have been the primary reason. But they sure didn't help.
And I 100% agree with your last sentence. Buh Bye Ted.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Personally I don't think he's an idiot but that's not the point. I frankly didn't know he had a show and even if I did probably wouldn't watch. And anything about the network saying they pulled the show because the sponsors wouldn't do it is nothing more than a PR move for A&E. The shows a bomb eveidentaly and what better way to make headlines.
That's great
http://www.abc27.com/story/20403388/pol ... a-shooting
The moral of the story, we need to get the weapons out of the nutcases hands.
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So you hate free speech too?
I don't care. Free trade is one thing, handing out and bailing out foreign countries is another. That is where the money could come from.
You save the children and you don't punish legal gun owners. win-win.
Our guards are not lazy, they get fired for it. Nice of you to assume that they would be lazy btw.
Yeah, but I'm pretty sure there are a few that rush in to post when they see my name attached.
I still feel compelled to help the misinformed.
:fp: :fp: :nono:
Correction 5k per bullet is what he wanted, one would be more careful and cautious where and when one shoots.
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I remember that bit!
"You better watch out, man! Cos in 2 or 3 years, after I save me up some money, I'm gonna come back here and pop your ass!"
Columbine High School Had Armed Guards During Massacre In 1999
Amanda Terkel
WASHINGTON -- In a highly anticipated press conference on Friday, the National Rifle Association announced that after a week of reflection following the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School, it decided the way to prevent another such tragedy was to place more guns in schools.
"I call on Congress today to act immediately, to appropriate whatever is necessary to put armed police officers in every school -- and to do it now, to make sure that blanket of safety is in place when our children return to school in January," said the NRA's top lobbyist Wayne LaPierre in a speech at the Willard Hotel in Washington, D.C.
But having armed security on-site failed to prevent the deadliest mass murder at an American high school.
In 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 15 people and wounded 23 more at Columbine High School. The destruction occurred despite the fact that there was an armed security officer at the school and another one nearby -- exactly what LaPierre argued on Friday was the answer to stopping "a bad guy with a gun."
Deputy Neil Gardner was a 15-year veteran of the Jefferson County, Colo., Sheriff’s Office assigned as the uniformed officer at Columbine. According to an account compiled by the police department, Gardner fired on Harris but was unsuccessful in stopping him:
Gardner, seeing Harris working with his gun, leaned over the top of the car and fired four shots. He was 60 yards from the gunman. Harris spun hard to the right and Gardner momentarily thought he had hit him. Seconds later, Harris began shooting again at the deputy.
After the exchange of gunfire, Harris ran back into the building. Gardner was able to get on the police radio and called for assistance from other Sheriff’s units. "Shots in the building. I need someone in the south lot with me."
The second officer was Deputy Paul Smoker, a motorcycle patrolman who was near the school writing a speeding ticket. When he heard a dispatch of a woman injured at the high school, he responded. He, too, fired at Harris but didn't stop him.
LaPierre said having armed security on the scene is necessary so someone is there to shoot back. "The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun," he said. "Would you rather have your 911 call bring a good guy with a gun from a mile away -- or a minute away?"
But in chaotic situations, it's often impossible to identify the "bad guy," as Smoker said in his account of Columbine: "There was an unknown inside a school. We didn't know who the 'bad guy' was but we soon realized the sophistication of their weapons. These were big bombs. Big guns. We didn’t have a clue who 'they' were."
"That's the point," said Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) at a press conference on Friday afternoon, denouncing LaPierre's solution. "There were two armed law enforcement officers at that campus, and you see what happened. Fifteen dead ... 23 wounded."
New Jersey Chris Christie (R) also said on Friday that he doesn't believe having armed guards will make schools safer or encourage learning.
On Wednesday, violence prevention researchers and a large number of education, health and civic groups discouraged putting more guns in schools.
"Inclinations to intensify security in schools should be reconsidered," they wrote in a statement. "We cannot and should not turn our schools into fortresses. Effective prevention cannot wait until there is a gunman in a school parking lot. We need resources such as mental health supports and threat assessment teams in every school and community so that people can seek assistance when they recognize that someone is troubled and requires help."
Research also has shown that highly visible efforts to increase school safety -- such as armed guards -- make children feel less safe at school, undermining their ability to learn.
The NRA did not return a request for comment, and LaPierre refused to answer questions during his press conference Friday. Instead, the organization said it would begin responding to media inquiries on Monday. LaPierre is also scheduled to be a guest on NBC's "Meet the Press" on Sunday.
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Great research, NRA.
In remote Harrold, the nearest sheriff's office is 30 minutes away, and people tend to know — and trust — one another. So the school board voted to let teachers bring guns to school.
"We don't have money for a security guard, but this is a better solution," Superintendent David Thweatt said. "A shooter could take out a guard or officer with a visible, holstered weapon, but our teachers have master's degrees, are older and have had extensive training. And their guns are hidden. We can protect our children."
In the awful aftermath of last week's Connecticut elementary school shooting, lawmakers in a growing number of states — including Oklahoma, Missouri, Minnesota, South Dakota and Oregon — have said they will consider laws allowing teachers and school administrators to carry firearms at school.
Texas law bans guns in schools unless the school has given written authorization. Arizona and six other states have similar laws with exceptions for people who have licenses to carry concealed weapons.
Harrold's school board voted unanimously in 2007 to allow employees to carry weapons. After obtaining a state concealed-weapons permit, each employee who wants to carry a weapon must be approved by the board based on his or her personality and reaction to a crisis, Thweatt said.
Employees also must undergo training in crisis intervention and hostage situations. And they must use bullets that minimize the risk of ricochet, similar to those carried by air marshals on planes.
CaRae Reinisch, who lives in the nearby community of Elliott, said she took her children out of a larger school and enrolled them in Harrold two years ago, partly because she felt they would be safer in a building with armed teachers.
"I think it's a great idea for trained teachers to carry weapons," Reinisch said. "But I hate that it has come to this."
The superintendent won't disclose how many of the school's 50 employees carry weapons, saying that revealing that number might jeopardize school security.
The school, about 150 miles northwest of Fort Worth near the Oklahoma border, has 103 students from kindergarten through 12th grade. Most of them rarely think about who is carrying a gun.
"This is the first time in a long time that I've thought about it," said Matt Templeton, the principal's 17-year-old son. "And that's because of what happened" in Connecticut.
Thweatt said other Texas schools allow teachers to carry weapons, but he would not reveal their locations, saying they are afraid of negative publicity.
The Texas Education Agency said it had not heard of any other schools with such a policy. And the Brady Center to Prevent Gun Violence did not know of any other districts nationwide that allow school employees to carry concealed handguns.
But that may change soon.
Oklahoma state Rep. Mark McCullough said he is working on a bill that would allow teachers and administrators to receive firearms training through the Council on Law Enforcement Education and Training, which would authorize them to carry weapons at school and at school events. Other states are proposing or considering similar measures.
However, Michigan Gov. Rick Snyder this week vetoed legislation that would have allowed concealed weapons in schools, churches and day care centers, saying he seeks a more "thoughtful review" that includes school emergency policies and mental health-related issues.
In Texas, guns have an honored place in the state's culture, and politicians often describe owning a gun as essential to being Texan. At the state Capitol, concealed handgun license holders are allowed to skip the metal detectors that scan visitors.
Gov. Rick Perry has indicated he would prefer to give gun owners the widest possible latitude. Just days after the Connecticut attack, Perry said permit holders should be able to carry concealed weapons in any public place.
Last year, many Texas lawmakers supported a plan to give college students and professors with concealed handgun licenses the right to carry guns on campus, but the measure failed.
Opponents insist that having more people armed at a school, especially teachers or administrators who aren't trained to deal with crime on a daily basis, could lead to more injuries and deaths. They point to an August shooting outside the Empire State Building, where police killed a laid-off clothing designer after he fatally shot his former colleague. Nine bystanders were wounded by police gunfire, ricochets and fragments.
"You are going to put teachers, people teaching 6-year-olds in a school, and expect them to respond to an active-shooter situation?" said Ladd Everitt, a spokesman for the Washington, D.C.-based Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, who called the idea of arming teachers "madness."
Kristin Rowe-Finkbeiner said she would not have felt better if teachers at her children's Seattle school had been armed during a May shooting at a nearby cafe. A gunman killed four people at the cafe and another woman during a carjacking before killing himself. The school went on lockdown as a precaution.
"It would be highly concerning to me to know that guns were around my kids each and every day. ... Increasing our arms is not the answer," said Rowe-Finkbeiner, co-founder and CEO of MomsRising.org.
Dan Gross, president of the Brady Campaign, said focusing on arming teachers distracts from the "real things" that could help prevent a school shooting "and at worse it furthers a dangerous conversation that only talks about guns as protection without a discussion about the serious risks they present."
As the debate continues, Harrold's school plans to leave its policy unchanged.
"Nothing is 100 percent at all. ... But hope makes for a terrible plan, hoping that (a tragedy) won't happen," Thweatt said. "My question is: What have you done about it? How have you planned?
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - In 2006, a political ad swept through the state of Arkansas, touting Asa Hutchinson's values as "shaped in rural Arkansas, a half-mile down a dirt road."
In his unsuccessful bid for governor, the former federal prosecutor and U.S. congressman touted his conservative political views and garnered a strong endorsement from the National Rifle Association, a powerful U.S. gun lobby.
On Friday, the NRA announced that Hutchinson - also a former Homeland Security official and now a lawyer predominantly focused on white-collar crime - will spearhead an effort to put armed guards at schools in hopes of preventing mass shootings like the one on December 14 in Connecticut that killed 20 young children and 6 adults.
"School safety is a complex issue with no simple, single solution," Hutchinson said at Friday's news conference. "But I believe trained, qualified, armed security is one key component among many that can provide the first line of deterrence as well as the last line of defense.
His effort, dubbed the National School Shield Program, would have a "budget provided by the NRA of whatever scope the task requires." It will focus on producing a security model, which may rely on local volunteers as armed security guards and would be offered for adoption at every school in America free of charge, NRA officials said.
Opponents of the plan say the United States needs to tighten gun controls rather than introduce more guns into school environments.
NRA has contributed more than $30,000 to Hutchinson's various political campaigns for state and federal offices over more than a decade, becoming one of his top backers, according to the Sunlight Foundation that tracks money in politics.
In a brief stint as a registered lobbyist at Washington law firm Venable LLP Hutchinson in 2007 represented Point Blank Body Armor, a maker of body armor for the U.S. Army, according to another money-tracking group Center for Responsive Politics,.
Hutchinson, now 62, was the youngest U.S. Attorney in the country, when Republican President Ronald Reagan appointed the then-31-year-old to the post in 1982.
In what his political ads later touted as a character-forming experience, Hutchinson at the time put on a flak jacket to negotiate a stand-off between local, state and federal law enforcement and a white supremacist group known as The Covenant, The Sword and The Arm of the Lord.
After unsuccessful bids for Senate and Arkansas state attorney general, Hutchinson became a congressman in 1996, replacing his brother Tim Hutchinson in the U.S. House of Representatives. He later serving as one of the managers during the impeachment of Democratic President Bill Clinton.
At the time, he voted for a bill that would have shortened the waiting time for gun buyers for any necessary background checks to 24 hours.
Hutchinson later went on to become the administrator at the Drug Enforcement Administration and the first under-secretary of the newly-formed Department of Homeland Security under Republican President George W. Bush.
In 2006, he returned to Arkansas for his unsuccessful run for governor, during which he briefly came under fire from his Democratic opponent Mike Beebe for airing an attack ad that featured children delivering the anti-Beebe message, according to the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette at the time.
In an interview with the newspaper in October 2006, Hutchinson also shared his enthusiasm for hunting deer and other game and said his favorite hunting firearms were "a Remington 12-gauge shotgun and a Remington bolt-action .308 deer rifle."
"I think promoting hunting and shooting sports in general is a strong tradition in Arkansas, and it's a tradition that dies out if it is not passed on to the next generation," he told the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette.
When asked about the connection between hunting weapons and the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Americans the right to bear arms, he said: "To me, it's a matter of freedom, it's a matter of history and tradition, and it's a matter of self-protection."
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The school's assistant principal, Joel Myrick, retrieved a .45 pistol from his truck and, spotting him near the parking lot, shouted for Woodham to stop. Woodham instead got into a his mother's car and tried to escape. Myrick, a US Army Reserve commander, detained Woodham until authorities arrived.[8][9]
As much as the anti-gun people hate it, a 'good guy' with a gun at every school would probably deter this from ever happening again. It doesn't have to be a minimum-wage outsider...train someone on the inside (principal, gym teacher, etc.)
A campaign of 'Never again" to get the word out.... do some of you have any idea how scared kids are? Children are feeling anxiety when they go to school. Young children. Too young to be feeling the way they do. These kids would probably welcome an armed person into their school.
This horrible incident might have created a generation of gun lovers. edit to add:I would be surprised if a republican wasn't elected as president next time around.
I've been a member of this message board since the beginning and the same-old, same-old has gotten old.
One side hates guns and the NRA, the other doesn't. Shit is debated to death, threads get hijacked and/or locked and nothing new comes out of it. Nothing. Ever.
While you have been picking out Christmas presents, 28 families have been picking out caskets. The time has come for some REAL change...arguing in circles and name calling isn't the way to do it. Guns in general aren't going anywhere... what else? Banning assault guns is probably gonna happen. what's another angle of stopping this?
Are you serious?? Is that guy in the video serious?? You have to be kidding me.
Great post. Thanks.
YOU SWEET NICE GUY AT THE VIDEO...
ASSAULT RIFLE????
WTF???
YOU NEED TO PUT MINES AROUND YOUR HOUSE,BUILD A NEW HOUSE LIKE FORTRESS
AND PUT BAZOOKAS AT EVERY WINDOW!!!
NOW YOU ARE SAFE......
UNFORTUNATELY...YOU ARE STILL ...IDIOT
NO GUN CAN MAKE YOU SMARTER....SORRY...
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
All the schools should have them for numerous reasons but most especially
because it teaches respect and reality.
It is a positive thing.
Well, this was one of the most informative pieces out there and very enlightening. The gun side has its spokesperson.
I guess if you are in a combat zone and the rest of your countrymen are your enemies... then you need an assault rifle. If your neighbours constitute an immediate threat... this guy is right- you need an assault rifle.
I never realized your country was at war with itself and things were so bad. Like the really intelligent guy in the video said to all the "moronic' people like myself, "If you've got your gun in your hand and you're not at the range... you're in a gunfight. What better gun to have in a gunfight!"
I simply couldn't imagine living somewhere... constantly worried about my next gunfight. Questions like: where's my next gunfight gonna be? Who's gonna be my enemy? Do I have enough ammo to win the gunfight? Is my assault rifle in my car in case the next gunfight is at the service station? That guy is looking at me funny... I bet he wants a gunfight?
These questions would always be on my mind. I'd watch everyone really closely and try to get the 'jump' on them in the gunfight if they look suspicious.
Good luck with your fight and getting your country stabilized from its armed conflict.
Likewise... if you drop your keys in a river of molten lava... let 'em go. Because man, they're gone.
like the are more million of people with mental illness than the million of guns..
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”