brianlux
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No offense to any one who believes armed guards in schools are a good idea because if you believe that, it's probably because you care about kids and are as bummed about Sandy Hook as all of us... but I think doing this would be a total mind fuck for kids today. When I was a kid, we had to deal with the frequent "duck and cover" drills and we lived with this ongoing fear of nuclear annihilation. I think a lot of kids faced with seeing armed guards every day would be freaked out with the daily reminder that someone might (very, very unlikely, of course) come and blow them all away at any moment unless the guard is close by. There are other psychological factors to be considered as well. And at what point would these guards themselves step over a line you wouldn't want for your kids? At what point does it become the kids or a teacher who doesn't fit the mold who takes the brunt of the boredom and frustration of an armed guard with nothing to do?
This just doesn't seem like the best answer by a long stretch. I'm guessing we'll end up with metal detectors and an educational system bogged down in more red tape.
I think we need to go back to a) not giving killers the attention they desire and b) taking a much closer look at our mental health services and practices.
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"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
I'm always amazed that people can say that the amount of guns we have available in the USA does not contribute to the problem. The sheer numbers make the availability a joke. An even as easy as it is to get a gun, NO, not every potential criminal that wants one will get their hands on one. That's a lazy argument.
but I think doing this would be a total mind fuck for kids today.quote]
You must not have clicked the link in my last post. Ill summarize, the report claims that in a private school where the Obama childeren and many other well to do people in Washington DC send there childeren for education there are ARMED GUARDS. You might want to let somebody know their kids are getting mind fucked.
America has a long tradition of teaching it's citizens that violence is a solution. Maybe why a lot of people believe that violence is always the solution to any problem. A society that believes emotions and impulses are the way to solve things, and that intelligence and rational behaviour should be frowned upon, will always be a dangerous society.
Teaching kids that violence is a solution to problems will only create more violence. Placing armed guards outside schools is something that only a borderline, or full-blown, psychopath could come up with.
Maybe begin by ending the death penalty, as it doesn't work as a deterrent, costs more than keeping prisoners in jail, and inspires more violence in the states that employ it: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=171029&start=285#p4596133 Then take automatic weapons off the streets and impose strict gun controls, so that any psycho can't just grab a gun and commit a massacre.
And, stop using violence as the main bargaining chip in your foreign policy, and find something more creative and life-sustaining to do with your $631 billion defense budget.
I would also be in favor of limiting the number of guns any one individual can own at one time. You have the right to bare arms, not the right to collect arms, build an arsenal, and arm your friends and neighbors. How many guns can you bare at one time? No one needs more than two handguns and a hunting rifle. If you do I would like to know why.
Bird hunt lately?
Emoticon.
Can you show us where in the Constitution you are guaranteed the right to arm your friends for a bird hunt?
Since the Sandy Hook tragedy, my public library now has an armed guard near the entrance. I am at the library several days a week. The armed guard is either sitting near the entrance, or chatting with the library staff. My public library has several floors and an armed guard posted near the entrance will not prevent anything.
How hard would it be to walk up behind him during a class break, pop him in the back of the head, and then go off on everyone else? :geek:
Harder than if he wasn't there.
No, easier than if he wasn't there. You can't steal a gun from someone who isn't there with a gun. I understand you are going to argue every point because this more about right wing dogma than anything else, but c'mon. That point makes no sense.
Since the Sandy Hook tragedy, my public library now has an armed guard near the entrance. I am at the library several days a week. The armed guard is either sitting near the entrance, or chatting with the library staff. My public library has several floors and an armed guard posted near the entrance will not prevent anything.
Exactly - an armed guard on one side of a school would not be much help to students under fire on the other side.
Since the Sandy Hook tragedy, my public library now has an armed guard near the entrance. I am at the library several days a week. The armed guard is either sitting near the entrance, or chatting with the library staff. My public library has several floors and an armed guard posted near the entrance will not prevent anything.
Exactly - an armed guard on one side of a school would not be much help to students under fire on the other side.
The easiest way to avoid confronting a problem is to divert attention from the issue by providing a solution that no reasonable person would ever ask for. Only in the United States are guns the solution to every problem including the problems they create. Many Americans need to wake up and realize that gun ownership is a responsibility, not simply a fundamental right. I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
Since the Sandy Hook tragedy, my public library now has an armed guard near the entrance. I am at the library several days a week. The armed guard is either sitting near the entrance, or chatting with the library staff. My public library has several floors and an armed guard posted near the entrance will not prevent anything.
Exactly - an armed guard on one side of a school would not be much help to students under fire on the other side.
again...armed guard at school is the most stupid idea ever...
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Teaching kids that violence is a solution to problems will only create more violence. Placing armed guards outside schools is something that only a borderline, or full-blown, psychopath could come up with.
While not exactly true... and whether intending to or not... this line cracks me up. I think 'full-blown psychopath' is going to be my word for the day.
No one could ever ensure that all children are safe anywhere, including their school... just like it's impossible to ensure that a single person on the planet is 100% safe. That's life. To react to this tragedy by screaming for an armed guard at every school is like screaming for a band-aid when someone's arm has been chopped off. Useless and a deliberate avoidance of the problem. With the added bonus of being a waste of money and resources, and ultimately a negative psychological factor in children's lives.
Wow tell that to my grown kids who loved their Resource Officer, made a wonderful impact
on their lives and respect for law enforcement.
So negative the posts here about having security in our schools.
We have the same in malls, kids see the police there. They aren't bothered. Police make one feel safe not the contrary. I wish there had been one at Sandy Hooks.
And I bet the kids would have just loved her....
or him.
what a terrible time in this day & age when it is said, "some of us have armed guards at our kids' schools" or
"boy oh boy we need armed guards at our childrens' schools"
what a fucking tragedy. what a fucking shame. this is not love. this is nothing less than barbarism
what a terrible time in this day & age when it is said, "some of us have armed guards at our kids' schools" or
"boy oh boy we need armed guards at our childrens' schools"
what a fucking tragedy. what a fucking shame. this is not love. this is nothing less than barbarism
I agree...if want our kids safe,do a better society..we don't need fuckin Rambo at schools..those are for Hollywood
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
David Frum made a great point on Twitter that I will paraphrase here:
What would many NRA supporters be saying if President Obama proposed a billion dollar education initiative with no solid data behind it indicating it would work?
what a terrible time in this day & age when it is said, "some of us have armed guards at our kids' schools" or
"boy oh boy we need armed guards at our childrens' schools"
what a fucking tragedy. what a fucking shame. this is not love. this is nothing less than barbarism
I agree...if want our kids safe,do a better society..we don't need fuckin Rambo at schools..those are for Hollywood
David Frum made a great point on Twitter that I will paraphrase here:
What would many NRA supporters be saying if President Obama proposed a billion dollar education initiative with no solid data behind it indicating it would work?
Yeah, that is a fairly good point.
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How hard would it be to walk up behind him during a class break, pop him in the back of the head, and then go off on everyone else? :geek:
Harder than if he wasn't there.
No, easier than if he wasn't there. You can't steal a gun from someone who isn't there with a gun. I understand you are going to argue every point because this more about right wing dogma than anything else, but c'mon. That point makes no sense.
And someone without a gun there can't protect against some wacko invading the school.
More guns equals more problems right? That's people's logic correct? Well then more drugs must equal more problems. SO why the push to legalize pot? It's a drug that comes with problems. Makes perfect sense.
More guns equals more problems right? That's people's logic correct? Well then more drugs must equal more problems. SO why the push to legalize pot? It's a drug that comes with problems. Makes perfect sense.
The major problems associated with the drug are those attached to illegally manufacturing and distributing it. Granted second hand smoke can be tough on the old lungs; but, once pot is legalized... the other problems have a very good chance of going away.
More guns equals more problems right? That's people's logic correct? Well then more drugs must equal more problems. SO why the push to legalize pot? It's a drug that comes with problems. Makes perfect sense.
The major problems associated with the drug are those attached to illegally manufacturing and distributing it. Granted second hand smoke can be tough on the old lungs; but, once pot is legalized... the other problems have a very good chance of going away.
Does anyone realize how many billions of dollars are made by Mexican drug cartels annually? Does anyone seriously believe that if the US just legalized pot they will go away? They will continue to transport the drug in and undercut the prices of anything legally sold in the US. They will still target the streets. The argument that legalizing it will cut down on problems...and please excuse my French...is utter bullshit.
I dunno...throwing out some thoughts here, but aren't the cartels the middlemen? Wouldn't legalizing pot - and allowing it to be grown and distributed right here - oust said middlemen?
And it would also free up much-needed prison space for those who either don't serve their due time, or not nearly enough.
I dunno...throwing out some thoughts here, but aren't the cartels the middlemen? Wouldn't legalizing pot - and allowing it to be grown and distributed right here - oust said middlemen?
And it would also free up much-needed prison space for those who either don't serve their due time, or not nearly enough.
I don't believe they are middlemen... I could be wrong. I think they set up their own operations of shitty brick weed.
Legalizing would, in my opinion, cripple their market.
I've recently learned that the west is in dire need more ping pong teams. Every school should have at least one ping pong team to protect students from potential threats of violence. Guns do nothing compared to ping pong balls. As an added security measure you could hang a flat panel television in the entrance of every school as they too are quite lethal. America has a lot of work to do too because China is lightyears ahead in ping pong training.
More guns equals more problems right? That's people's logic correct? Well then more drugs must equal more problems. SO why the push to legalize pot? It's a drug that comes with problems. Makes perfect sense.
The major problems associated with the drug are those attached to illegally manufacturing and distributing it. Granted second hand smoke can be tough on the old lungs; but, once pot is legalized... the other problems have a very good chance of going away.
Does anyone realize how many billions of dollars are made by Mexican drug cartels annually? Does anyone seriously believe that if the US just legalized pot they will go away? They will continue to transport the drug in and undercut the prices of anything legally sold in the US. They will still target the streets. The argument that legalizing it will cut down on problems...and please excuse my French...is utter bullshit.
I need an emoticon that blares out the sound of a scoreclock horn to place here.
When they no longer have a market- given people can purchase legally- and the risks of smuggling outweigh the profits sought by undercutting the legal price... they will begin to disappear. It's likely at first they will go at each other's throats competing for the smaller market share, but, eventually... their industry and the havoc they wreak will dramatically change for the better.
i would be ashamed of my town, my area, my school system, and my school super intendent if the schools in my area had armed guards at the doors. i'd be like, "hell to the no" my kids just dropped out of school & my wife & i are now from this moment onward having our loved children enroll in home schooling programs. fuck a bunch of armed guards at the schools my kids attend. aint happenin...
again.
i would be physically ill to come home everyday after work & my kids and i having dinner together & they tell me about Lewis the armed guard weilding a 9mm... fuck the hell off. this country has done lost it's god damn marbles...
let's guess here... does Lewis the armed school guard wear a armored suit like ya see nut jobs wearing or swat team guys?
mr. wayne lapierre should show us how it is done. he should resign from his cushy task at the nra where he is pampered & catered too something fierce. ol wayne lapierre makes right under $1 million dollars annually. now a armed guard at a public school makes about what? $10-$12 dollars an hour? he or she brings in what $25-$30 grand annually?
mr. lapierre i demand you sir to step up to bat & show us how to live this school armed guards life. you sir are a comical joke & a steaming pile of very nasty dung... childs dung at that, sir.
this fuckin guy makes $30,000 under a cool million. in other words, the armed guards salary....
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This just doesn't seem like the best answer by a long stretch. I'm guessing we'll end up with metal detectors and an educational system bogged down in more red tape.
I think we need to go back to a) not giving killers the attention they desire and b) taking a much closer look at our mental health services and practices.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Teaching kids that violence is a solution to problems will only create more violence. Placing armed guards outside schools is something that only a borderline, or full-blown, psychopath could come up with.
Maybe begin by ending the death penalty, as it doesn't work as a deterrent, costs more than keeping prisoners in jail, and inspires more violence in the states that employ it: viewtopic.php?f=13&t=171029&start=285#p4596133 Then take automatic weapons off the streets and impose strict gun controls, so that any psycho can't just grab a gun and commit a massacre.
And, stop using violence as the main bargaining chip in your foreign policy, and find something more creative and life-sustaining to do with your $631 billion defense budget.
Can you show us where in the Constitution you are guaranteed the right to arm your friends for a bird hunt?
WOOT!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
No, easier than if he wasn't there. You can't steal a gun from someone who isn't there with a gun. I understand you are going to argue every point because this more about right wing dogma than anything else, but c'mon. That point makes no sense.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Exactly - an armed guard on one side of a school would not be much help to students under fire on the other side.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
The easiest way to avoid confronting a problem is to divert attention from the issue by providing a solution that no reasonable person would ever ask for. Only in the United States are guns the solution to every problem including the problems they create. Many Americans need to wake up and realize that gun ownership is a responsibility, not simply a fundamental right. I doubt that will happen anytime soon.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
While not exactly true... and whether intending to or not... this line cracks me up. I think 'full-blown psychopath' is going to be my word for the day.
on their lives and respect for law enforcement.
So negative the posts here about having security in our schools.
We have the same in malls, kids see the police there. They aren't bothered.
Police make one feel safe not the contrary. I wish there had been one at Sandy Hooks.
And I bet the kids would have just loved her....
or him.
"boy oh boy we need armed guards at our childrens' schools"
what a fucking tragedy. what a fucking shame. this is not love. this is nothing less than barbarism
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
What would many NRA supporters be saying if President Obama proposed a billion dollar education initiative with no solid data behind it indicating it would work?
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
And someone without a gun there can't protect against some wacko invading the school.
The major problems associated with the drug are those attached to illegally manufacturing and distributing it. Granted second hand smoke can be tough on the old lungs; but, once pot is legalized... the other problems have a very good chance of going away.
Does anyone realize how many billions of dollars are made by Mexican drug cartels annually? Does anyone seriously believe that if the US just legalized pot they will go away? They will continue to transport the drug in and undercut the prices of anything legally sold in the US. They will still target the streets. The argument that legalizing it will cut down on problems...and please excuse my French...is utter bullshit.
And it would also free up much-needed prison space for those who either don't serve their due time, or not nearly enough.
I don't believe they are middlemen... I could be wrong. I think they set up their own operations of shitty brick weed.
Legalizing would, in my opinion, cripple their market.
Ping pong is your only hope.
I've recently learned that the west is in dire need more ping pong teams. Every school should have at least one ping pong team to protect students from potential threats of violence. Guns do nothing compared to ping pong balls. As an added security measure you could hang a flat panel television in the entrance of every school as they too are quite lethal. America has a lot of work to do too because China is lightyears ahead in ping pong training.
I need an emoticon that blares out the sound of a scoreclock horn to place here.
When they no longer have a market- given people can purchase legally- and the risks of smuggling outweigh the profits sought by undercutting the legal price... they will begin to disappear. It's likely at first they will go at each other's throats competing for the smaller market share, but, eventually... their industry and the havoc they wreak will dramatically change for the better.
again.
i would be physically ill to come home everyday after work & my kids and i having dinner together & they tell me about Lewis the armed guard weilding a 9mm... fuck the hell off. this country has done lost it's god damn marbles...
let's guess here... does Lewis the armed school guard wear a armored suit like ya see nut jobs wearing or swat team guys?
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce
mr. lapierre i demand you sir to step up to bat & show us how to live this school armed guards life. you sir are a comical joke & a steaming pile of very nasty dung... childs dung at that, sir.
this fuckin guy makes $30,000 under a cool million. in other words, the armed guards salary....
http://www.forbes.com/sites/danbigman/2 ... fend-guns/
"Hear me, my chiefs!
I am tired; my heart is
sick and sad. From where
the sun stands I will fight
no more forever."
Chief Joseph - Nez Perce