The NRA finally comes out from under it's rock

dimitrispearljam

Jason P wrote:

There are 100,000 public schools.

There are 33,000 private schools.

There are 7,000 postsecondary schools.

Did the NRA even think about how expensive it would be to put a cop in every school?

i understand this and you are right..but lets say,fuck the money..somehow the money isnt the issue..
the idea is stupid..most of all...kids close to guns..every day...stupid idea..

dimitrispearljam

unsung wrote:

I think what they did by waiting a week was respectful.

Fwiw, I cancelled my NRA membership earlier this year.


I disagree with arming teachers. I'd rather schools hire a trained guard. There are about 100,000 public schools in the country, pay the guards $50k annually. That is $5B. We sent out over $70B in foreign aid, mostly to countries that hate us. There's the money. Cut foreign aid.

you didnt tell us what business usa doing with those countries,with their Oil,Mineral Wealth,energy,..etc..

blackredyellow

unsung wrote:

I think what they did by waiting a week was respectful.

Fwiw, I cancelled my NRA membership earlier this year.


I disagree with arming teachers. I'd rather schools hire a trained guard. There are about 100,000 public schools in the country, pay the guards $50k annually. That is $5B. We sent out over $70B in foreign aid, mostly to countries that hate us. There's the money. Cut foreign aid.

But how effective will one lazy security guard going to be?

As insane as these shooters have been, they have planned these attacks (bought ammo, wrote about it in some cases, planned where and when, etc). How hard is it going to be to plan how to kill or avoid one lousy security guard.

And even the best trained security guard is going to get lazy. Just think about it, in 99% of these schools, nothing is going to happen, a guard is going to have many many long, slow days of walking around doing nothing.

Jason P

Empty Glass wrote:

blame video games, but release your own video game

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000E8Z7Y ... mdp_mobile

Oh, sweet irony!

:fp:

fun facts: the game got a 16/100 from Gamespot ... which makes it one of the worst games ever.

They also have released NRA: Varmint Hunter and NRA High Power Competition video games.

comebackgirl

blackredyellow wrote:

unsung wrote:

I think what they did by waiting a week was respectful.

Fwiw, I cancelled my NRA membership earlier this year.


I disagree with arming teachers. I'd rather schools hire a trained guard. There are about 100,000 public schools in the country, pay the guards $50k annually. That is $5B. We sent out over $70B in foreign aid, mostly to countries that hate us. There's the money. Cut foreign aid.

But how effective will one lazy security guard going to be?

As insane as these shooters have been, they have planned these attacks (bought ammo, wrote about it in some cases, planned where and when, etc). How hard is it going to be to plan how to kill or avoid one lousy security guard.

And even the best trained security guard is going to get lazy. Just think about it, in 99% of these schools, nothing is going to happen, a guard is going to have many many long, slow days of walking around doing nothing.

I picture this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsxiz7DFHuI

Jason P

Why no mention of putting a cop in every movie theatre?

(scared to look if they actually made that suggestion :? )

JimmyV

Jason P wrote:

Why no mention of putting a cop in every movie theatre?

(scared to look if they actually made that suggestion :? )

What about every church, synagogue and mosque service?

Jason P

dimitrispearljam wrote:

Jason P wrote:

There are 100,000 public schools.

There are 33,000 private schools.

There are 7,000 postsecondary schools.

Did the NRA even think about how expensive it would be to put a cop in every school?

i understand this and you are right..but lets say,fuck the money..somehow the money isnt the issue..
the idea is stupid..most of all...kids close to guns..every day...stupid idea..

Good points.

It exponentially increases the chances of a student getting shot during any kind of incident that trigger-happy cop might feel shooting is justified.

Better Dan

Why do people need assualt rifles and semi-automatic weapons?

Why do gun lovers equate gun "control" as the government coming to take their guns away or outlawing all guns?

dimitrispearljam

and in the end,if they want armed guards ,bring all the troops around the world back home and put them in every corner of the country.....let those fuckers around the world solve their problems alone..

Jason P

JimmyV wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Why no mention of putting a cop in every movie theatre?

(scared to look if they actually made that suggestion :? )

What about every church, synagogue and mosque service?

And what about putting armed cops in roller skating rinks and bowling allys and workout gyms and public libraries and fast food resturants and public parks and .......

MissPennyLane

Enkidu wrote:

My dad was a teacher, my sister-in-law is a teacher. The idea of either of them being armed in a classroom is absurd.

When I was growing up the NRA wasn't as nutty as it is now. It's kind of like what's happened to the Republican party - how it's been highjacked by extremists. (I'm a Democrat, but my husband and a lot of his family members are Republicans and they're sickened by what's happened to their party.) There must be moderates in the NRA. I grew up in a small town in Virginia where people went hunting. No big deal.

Sorry, I'm ranting now. But this NRA response is really really scary. And wrong. LaPierre is a freak.

Well said

JimmyV

We'll only really be safe when there are two armed guards for every one citizen.

dimitrispearljam

Jason P wrote:

JimmyV wrote:

Jason P wrote:

Why no mention of putting a cop in every movie theatre?

(scared to look if they actually made that suggestion :? )

What about every church, synagogue and mosque service?

And what about putting armed cops in roller skating rinks and bowling allys and workout gyms and public libraries and fast food resturants and public parks and .......

this is getting endless....
remind me Egypt....1 of 2 citizens works for police...
seems need an armed cop in every house......
how many houses are at USA?

comebackgirl

Shootings have happened at colleges that have armed police and army bases (i.e. VA Tech and Fort Hood). Clearly having trained cops/guards with weapons doesn't prevent mass killings. My campus has a campus police dept and there have been times I've hit the panic button and they haven't even responded. Not only do I think this idea is not the solution, but it will probably provide a false sense of security.

cincybearcat

Enkidu wrote:

When I was growing up the NRA wasn't as nutty as it is now.

It's what happens to all of these organizations over time, (PETA, Unions, etc) keep getting nuttier.

MissPennyLane

comebackgirl wrote:

Shootings have happened at colleges that have armed police and army bases (i.e. VA Tech and Fort Hood). Clearly having trained cops/guards with weapons doesn't prevent mass killings. My campus has a campus police dept and there have been times I've hit the panic button and they haven't even responded. Not only do I think this idea is not the solution, but it will probably provide a false sense of security.

I agree. I think I would feel less comfortable if there were cops & guards standing around like i'm walking on eggshells.

JTH

Jason P wrote:

Empty Glass wrote:

blame video games, but release your own video game

http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B000E8Z7Y ... mdp_mobile

Oh, sweet irony!

:fp:

fun facts: the game got a 16/100 from Gamespot ... which makes it one of the worst games ever.

They also have released NRA: Varmint Hunter and NRA High Power Competition video games.

I couldn't even sit through this review of that game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSJV802IOfc

blackredyellow

cincybearcat wrote:

Enkidu wrote:

When I was growing up the NRA wasn't as nutty as it is now.

It's what happens to all of these organizations over time, (PETA, Unions, etc) keep getting nuttier.

It seems to happen when ever any of these groups figure out that they have any sort of political influence.

DewieCox

hedonist wrote:

That said, their blaming violent video games strikes me as ridiculous.

I think violent video games combined with a lack of good parenting contributes plenty. Not the whole problem mind you.

Armed guards in the schools is not the answer, arming teachers is an even worse idea. How bout we arm the kids. :roll:

Not the kind of atmosphere that kids need to be in. It's another step away from a real solution. I think people have the right to protect themselves and their home, but measures need to be taken to insure they don't fall into the wrong hands.