NRA-the massacre wouldn't have happened if teachers had guns

Thirty Bills Unpaid

fife wrote:

pandora wrote:

American is so unique not only in size but culture, history, economics, role in the world
really apples and oranges as far as comparisons to other countries.
Our country is based on personal freedoms. Founded on that. We are young,
powerful, ancestors displaced and placed here for a reason.

I think it would be far easier to accomplish banning all guns for citizens to own if
it was a small country the size of one or two of our states.
I do not see that happening here ever, at least not in my lifetime, 20 more years.
Well unless it is forced upon and not freely chosen by the people
which is why some choose to own. It is our freedom. It is not our freedom to kill
but it is our freedom to own a gun. We are the land of the free.
We are not killers.

what is your definition of freedom? I don't see America been move free than many other countries?

its so bizarre to me that the country who doesn't want people to infringe on their personal freedom is the same country who tells other countries what weapon they can have.

Fantastic point. Freedom of choice... except for you guys.

deserteddotse

pandora wrote:

American is so unique not only in size but culture, history, economics, role in the world
really apples and oranges as far as comparisons to other countries.
Our country is based on personal freedoms. Founded on that. We are young,
powerful, ancestors displaced and placed here for a reason.

I think it would be far easier to accomplish banning all guns for citizens to own if
it was a small country the size of one or two of our states.
I do not see that happening here ever, at least not in my lifetime, 20 more years.
Well unless it is forced upon and not freely chosen by the people
which is why some choose to own. It is our freedom. It is not our freedom to kill
but it is our freedom to own a gun. We are the land of the free.
We are not killers.

From my point of view, this might be a big part of the problem. I would even go as far to say that to many of you are being egoistic and fight for your rights and forget about your responsibilities.

g under p

pandora wrote:

American is so unique not only in size but culture, history, economics, role in the world
really apples and oranges as far as comparisons to other countries.
Our country is based on personal freedoms. Founded on that. We are young,
powerful, ancestors displaced and placed here for a reason.

I think it would be far easier to accomplish banning all guns for citizens to own if
it was a small country the size of one or two of our states.
I do not see that happening here ever, at least not in my lifetime, 20 more years.
Well unless it is forced upon and not freely chosen by the people
which is why some choose to own. It is our freedom. It is not our freedom to kill
but it is our freedom to own a gun. We are the land of the free.
We are not killers.

You might say "we are not killers" but we sure love to bully other countries and at times invade and occupy countries around the world. We appear to love our freedoms here but we seem to choose who around the world can their own freedom. Nothing to be impressed about.

Peace

DewieCox

Haven't scanned through this thread, but I'm amazed at how many people support putting guns in teachers hands or having armed guards on school premises. I'm not some lefty gun hater, but this is unquestionably not the answer.

DewieCox

g under p wrote:

You might say "we are not killers" but we sure love to bully other countries and at times invade and occupy countries around the world. We appear to love our freedoms here but we seem to choose who around the world can their own freedom. Nothing to be impressed about.

Peace

+1 There's always an agenda, usually not that well hidden. The funny part is, the people that generally support that are the ones that say "we have to keep guns to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government".

g under p

DewieCox wrote:

Haven't scanned through this thread, but I'm amazed at how many people support putting guns in teachers hands or having armed guards on school premises. I'm not some lefty gun hater, but this is unquestionably not the answer.

True even trained NYC police officers in Times Square couldn't shoot straight and hit 9 innocent bystanders in a chase and shoot. So why would we think teachers in schools would eliminate an intruder without his or her students getting shot or some other innocent bystander?????

Peace

goingtoverona

yeah as a gun owner i'm not a fan of that idea either. on the local news last night they were talking about a local gun shop giving free carry conceal and pistol training to teachers. and also, which i didn't know, that there is already a school or county in texas that allows teachers to carry guns on campus. harrold county i think?

DewieCox wrote:

Haven't scanned through this thread, but I'm amazed at how many people support putting guns in teachers hands or having armed guards on school premises. I'm not some lefty gun hater, but this is unquestionably not the answer.

dimitrispearljam

DewieCox wrote:

g under p wrote:

You might say "we are not killers" but we sure love to bully other countries and at times invade and occupy countries around the world. We appear to love our freedoms here but we seem to choose who around the world can their own freedom. Nothing to be impressed about.

Peace

+1 There's always an agenda, usually not that well hidden. The funny part is, the people that generally support that are the ones that say "we have to keep guns to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government".

i dont know if all Americans know what tyrannical government means,but i know alot of people around the world knows ,what tyrannical country means..

dimitrispearljam

i really need to open a dictionary...seems in the rest of the world the word "Freedom",means something different than here....

dunkman

a guy on an plane tries to detonate a bomb in his shoe aand you make everyone remove their shoes at airports now... a guy shoots 20 tiny little kids in the face and you do absolutely fucking nothing... the world laughs at you.

dunkman

one of the above is harmful to kids and was banned..... comedy is on a different level in the US

goingtoverona

are those real guns? they look like something out of halo.

dunkman wrote:

one of the above is harmful to kids and was banned..... comedy is on a different level in the US

dimitrispearljam

goingtoverona wrote:

are those real guns? they look like something out of halo.

dunkman wrote:

one of the above is harmful to kids and was banned..... comedy is on a different level in the US

i dont know if those are really guns....but that Kinder looks REALLY dangerous!!!!
thank God they banned those bad killer chocolates..

RoughMix

g under p wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Haven't scanned through this thread, but I'm amazed at how many people support putting guns in teachers hands or having armed guards on school premises. I'm not some lefty gun hater, but this is unquestionably not the answer.

True even trained NYC police officers in Times Square couldn't shoot straight and hit 9 innocent bystanders in a chase and shoot. So why would we think teachers in schools would eliminate an intruder without his or her students getting shot or some other innocent bystander?????

Peace

Okay.No way would I put a gun in teachers' hands.One armed guard or policeman at a school will do a lot better than none.It's a numbers game.This gunman killed himself when police moved in.Who knows how many kids would have died if it took longer for police to arrive.If there is someone on the premises who could have taken him out sooner,possibly less lives would have been lost.5-10 dead. Better than 27.What would be wrong with this?Kids would be scared of the policeman?Police are at schools all the time.Telling kids about bike safety and being aware of strangers, etc.There are police/guards at schools even now I am sure.Will this happen in all schools-no way.But I would not be afraid of sending my kids to schools that had one armed policeman.
These mass shootings are rare.Better chance of getting hit by lightning.But they are so shocking and violent in scope that people are galvanized by it.There really is no one answer.Mental health diagnosis/treatment has to be looked at also.
One thing I am certain of.The victims at Sandy Hook will not have died in vain.This is the start of meaningful action to try and remove assault weapons from the mainstream public.But,it will take years and years.
I don't live in the U.S. but I vacation and visit there many times a year.I love the U.S. and I will never stop going there.This is a tough one,but eventually I think things will change.

gimmesometruth27

another thing to consider.

say you have one or two gunmen enter a school and you have multiple armed teachers. all have their guns drawn and are looking for each other. the cops show up. how are the cops going to know who the gunmen are if there are multiple people with guns? it the gunmen are dressed black like police or swat officers, might that make the teachers mistakenly fire at police causing police to fire back???

seems to me the potential exists for armed teachers to be shot by police by mistake. not to mention, teachers firing at gunmen and potentially missing and hitting kids.

i think it is a bad idea to have more guns, becaue it opens it up to being a situation like the gunfight at the OK corral...

deserteddotse

dunkman wrote:

one of the above is harmful to kids and was banned..... comedy is on a different level in the US

"I have a god given right to defend me and my family against any tyrannic government, okey!"

RoughMix

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

another thing to consider.

say you have one or two gunmen enter a school and you have multiple armed teachers. all have their guns drawn and are looking for each other. the cops show up. how are the cops going to know who the gunmen are if there are multiple people with guns? it the gunmen are dressed black like police or swat officers, might that make the teachers mistakenly fire at police causing police to fire back???

seems to me the potential exists for armed teachers to be shot by police by mistake. not to mention, teachers firing at gunmen and potentially missing and hitting kids.

i think it is a bad idea to have more guns, becaue it opens it up to being a situation like the gunfight at the OK corral...

NO GUNS FOR TEACHERS.(I'm sure their union wouldn't allow it.) :?
Hey,maybe the killers would dress up as teachers or cops then nobody would know who is who.
This is why nothing happens.
To many stupid scenarios and no action taken.

dimitrispearljam

RoughMix wrote:

g under p wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

Haven't scanned through this thread, but I'm amazed at how many people support putting guns in teachers hands or having armed guards on school premises. I'm not some lefty gun hater, but this is unquestionably not the answer.

True even trained NYC police officers in Times Square couldn't shoot straight and hit 9 innocent bystanders in a chase and shoot. So why would we think teachers in schools would eliminate an intruder without his or her students getting shot or some other innocent bystander?????

Peace

Okay.No way would I put a gun in teachers' hands.One armed guard or policeman at a school will do a lot better than none.It's a numbers game.This gunman killed himself when police moved in.Who knows how many kids would have died if it took longer for police to arrive.If there is someone on the premises who could have taken him out sooner,possibly less lives would have been lost.5-10 dead. Better than 27.What would be wrong with this?Kids would be scared of the policeman?Police are at schools all the time.Telling kids about bike safety and being aware of strangers, etc.There are police/guards at schools even now I am sure.Will this happen in all schools-no way.But I would not be afraid of sending my kids to schools that had one armed policeman.
These mass shootings are rare.Better chance of getting hit by lightning.But they are so shocking and violent in scope that people are galvanized by it.There really is no one answer.Mental health diagnosis/treatment has to be looked at also.
One thing I am certain of.The victims at Sandy Hook will not have died in vain.This is the start of meaningful action to try and remove assault weapons from the mainstream public.But,it will take years and years.
I don't live in the U.S. but I vacation and visit there many times a year.I love the U.S. and I will never stop going there.This is a tough one,but eventually I think things will change.

i dont like the idea of armed people at schools
if this happens ,my opinion is NO WAY to be the teachers but the armed to be police officer..
kids cant see the guns,officer must hide them,and i prefer to be women and motner as well..must be friendly face to kids,so better the officers be woman and mother..
+to get some training about kids and their psychology

RoughMix

dimitrispearljam wrote:

i dont like the idea of armed people at schools
if this happens ,my opinion is NO WAY to be the teachers but the armed to be police officer..
kids cant see the guns,officer must hide them,and i prefer to be women and motner as well..must be friendly face to kids,so better the officers be woman and mother..
+to get some training about kids and their psychology

I don't know about Greece,but where I come from, police are a friendly face for kids.
Hide the guns? And make it more difficult to remove them if needed.
I would prefer policemen to offer protection.
I can tell we will never see eye to eye on many subjects.
I guess we will leave it at that.

gimmesometruth27

RoughMix wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

another thing to consider.

say you have one or two gunmen enter a school and you have multiple armed teachers. all have their guns drawn and are looking for each other. the cops show up. how are the cops going to know who the gunmen are if there are multiple people with guns? it the gunmen are dressed black like police or swat officers, might that make the teachers mistakenly fire at police causing police to fire back???

seems to me the potential exists for armed teachers to be shot by police by mistake. not to mention, teachers firing at gunmen and potentially missing and hitting kids.

i think it is a bad idea to have more guns, becaue it opens it up to being a situation like the gunfight at the OK corral...

NO GUNS FOR TEACHERS.(I'm sure their union wouldn't allow it.) :?
Hey,maybe the killers would dress up as teachers or cops then nobody would know who is who.
This is why nothing happens.
To many stupid scenarios and no action taken.

its not a stupid scenario. how many times to cops shoot the wrong person? it happens all the time. this is what happens when you introduce more guns into a situation.