Just As Bad

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

Sick fucks are sick fucks. Guns or not.


http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2012 ... chool.html

This is why I mentioned in the other thread that shootings like this are NOT just an American symptom - there have been several attacks on young school children in Europe and Asia fairly recently (that does not detract at all, IMO, from how the shooting shows that stronger gun control is needed in the US). But I do think it's good to point out that this isn't "America once again showing that she's falling apart" as much as it is "look at the world."

Hugh Freaking Dillon

DS1119 wrote:

Well considering that I just learned about the story and I posted it when I saw it. I live in NY. A World away from China.

And by the way, I don't own a gun and will never own a gun.

but you didn't post the story as its own entity. you posted it with a thread that has an obvious agenda, titling it "just as bad", which translates "guns don't kill, people do". Unfortunately, this story actually contradicts that very message. The guy with the knife DID NOT kill anyone.

posting this on its own merit would have been a decent discussion. posting it with the intentions you had is disgusting.

PJ_Soul

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Well considering that I just learned about the story and I posted it when I saw it. I live in NY. A World away from China.

And by the way, I don't own a gun and will never own a gun.

but you didn't post the story as its own entity. you posted it with a thread that has an obvious agenda, titling it "just as bad", which translates "guns don't kill, people do". Unfortunately, this story actually contradicts that very message. The guy with the knife DID NOT kill anyone.

posting this on its own merit would have been a decent discussion. posting it with the intentions you had is disgusting.

Yeah, there is a clear agenda here, and it's clearly that "everything can kill people so gun control isn't necessary". Been there done that.

DS1119

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Well considering that I just learned about the story and I posted it when I saw it. I live in NY. A World away from China.

And by the way, I don't own a gun and will never own a gun.

but you didn't post the story as its own entity. you posted it with a thread that has an obvious agenda, titling it "just as bad", which translates "guns don't kill, people do". Unfortunately, this story actually contradicts that very message. The guy with the knife DID NOT kill anyone.

posting this on its own merit would have been a decent discussion. posting it with the intentions you had is disgusting.

So again it's that much less disturbing because he had bad aim? If he had killed all thise people instead of injuring them would it be the knives fault or the person? If he had lit a building on fire and then locked the door is it the matches fault?

Suck fucks are everywhere. They are the issue. Finding these people and either getting them help or locking them up is the answer.

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

Hugh Freaking Dillon wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

Well considering that I just learned about the story and I posted it when I saw it. I live in NY. A World away from China.

And by the way, I don't own a gun and will never own a gun.

but you didn't post the story as its own entity. you posted it with a thread that has an obvious agenda, titling it "just as bad", which translates "guns don't kill, people do". Unfortunately, this story actually contradicts that very message. The guy with the knife DID NOT kill anyone.

posting this on its own merit would have been a decent discussion. posting it with the intentions you had is disgusting.

So again it's that much less disturbing because he had bad aim? If he had killed all thise people instead of injuring them would it be the knives fault or the person? If he had lit a building on fire and then locked the door is it the matches fault?

Suck fucks are everywhere. They are the issue. Finding these people and either getting them help or locking them up is the answer.

And also having some rules that prevented sick fucks from arming themselves might be nice.

DS1119

PJ_Soul wrote:

And also having some rules that prevented sick fucks from arming themselves might be nice.

There are rules.

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

And also having some rules that prevented sick fucks from arming themselves might be nice.

There are rules.

More effective rules I mean.

DS1119

BTW for the record. I wasn't the only person or persons that posted this story on the boards. I actually learned about this from this board and I thank the member/members who posted it. Pretty much goes back to previous posts I've made here that the US in general really don't care about what goes on in other countries. If this had happened in the US it would have been all over the National and Global news just like the tragedy in CT.

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

BTW for the record. I wasn't the only person or persons that posted this story on the boards. I actually learned about this from this board and I thank the member/members who posted it. Pretty much goes back to previous posts I've made here that the US in general really don't care about what goes on in other countries. If this had happened in the US it would have been all over the National and Global news just like the tragedy in CT.

There isn't anything wrong with the story. Again, I think it's a good story to post so that people don't go into fits of "America the fucked". It's just how you framed it, alongside your well-known position on gun control. Not hard to make assumptions as to the connotations of the thread.

vant0037

DS1119 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

And also having some rules that prevented sick fucks from arming themselves might be nice.

There are rules.

Please man, I'm begging you, just drop it. There are people who need our thoughts and prayers right now. It's disappointing that you started the thread in the first place. Please just let it go. Now is NOT the time.

DS1119

vant0037 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

And also having some rules that prevented sick fucks from arming themselves might be nice.

There are rules.

Please man, I'm begging you, just drop it. There are people who need our thoughts and prayers right now. It's disappointing that you started the thread in the first place. Please just let it go. Now is NOT the time.

When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.

PJ_Soul

vant0037 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

PJ_Soul wrote:

And also having some rules that prevented sick fucks from arming themselves might be nice.

There are rules.

Please man, I'm begging you, just drop it. There are people who need our thoughts and prayers right now. It's disappointing that you started the thread in the first place. Please just let it go. Now is NOT the time.

I understand where you're coming from vant.... On the other hand, I'm all for people saying what they have to say when they want to say it. This is DS's response to the situation; no reason he shouldn't be able to act on it.

josevolution

Not today not today man your ughhh .......You know what we are at fault here for having responded to your thread for that i apologize to everyone here carry on .....Fuck me

PJ_Soul

DS1119 wrote:

vant0037 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

There are rules.

Please man, I'm begging you, just drop it. There are people who need our thoughts and prayers right now. It's disappointing that you started the thread in the first place. Please just let it go. Now is NOT the time.

When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.

It wasn't today. I knew about that yesterday, maybe even the day before.

vant0037

DS1119 wrote:

When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.

The "right time" would not be a thread that was clearly in response to a mass-murder of children in the U.S. Discuss the China mass-knifing now if you must, but if you're doing it to off-set the justifiably emotional response people have to a sickening murder of children and teachers in our country, "never" would the answer. Never.

You know why you posted this thread, you know why you titled it the way you did and I'm telling you it's not the right time to continue beating the drum you've been beating for days now. If you have any class or respect for the children and people who were murdered - politics completely aside - please, please, stop. I'm asking you sincerely, please stop carrying on this issue for right now.

Cosmo

What, exactly, is the point of this thread?
Isn't is the same thing if I were to say, "Hey... look at the bright side... at least is wasn't 30 dead"?
Yeah... it would be true... 30 being more than 27, but it has no impact on the horrific tragedy that has been inflicted upon our entire nation.
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If anything, it goes right to the core of the gun debate in America. Failure to admit that we have a problem.

PJ_Soul

Cosmo wrote:

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If anything, it goes right to the core of the gun debate in America. Failure to admit that we have a problem.

THAT is what this thread is, yes.
(and I'm not sure why everyone is trying to shut it down; while I disagree with the message behind this thread, I don't find it especially distasteful like others seem to).

DS1119

vant0037 wrote:

DS1119 wrote:

When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.

The "right time" would not be a thread that was clearly in response to a mass-murder of children in the U.S. Discuss the China mass-knifing now if you must, but if you're doing it to off-set the justifiably emotional response people have to a sickening murder of children and teachers in our country, "never" would the answer. Never.

You know why you posted this thread, you know why you titled it the way you did and I'm telling you it's not the right time to continue beating the drum you've been beating for days now. If you have any class or respect for the children and people who were murdered - politics completely aside - please, please, stop. I'm asking you sincerely, please stop carrying on this issue for right now.

I literally learned about this 3 minutes before I posted it here. Also, someone here once told me I couldn't know or question someone's intentions. I believe it came up in a conversation about saving lives vs. having an agenda.

Again, this story s just horrible. Lucky all of the people were able to escape this mad man with their lives. Hopefully they or the people who saw this won't be scarred for too long.

Cosmo

PJ_Soul wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

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If anything, it goes right to the core of the gun debate in America. Failure to admit that we have a problem.

THAT is what this thread is, yes.
(and I'm not sure why everyone is trying to shut it down; while I disagree with the message behind this thread, I don't find it especially distasteful like others seem to).

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I agree. I believe that the conversation NEEDS to be done in order to come up with something to address this problem we have... and YES it IS A PROBLEM when 20 children are shot dead by one individual.
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Otherwise, America just needs to come to accepting the deaths of innocent lives in order to maintain the status quo. Maybe we need to accept these horrible tragedies as part of the American Way.

Cosmo

DS1119 wrote:

I literally learned about this 3 minutes before I posted it here. Also, someone here once told me I couldn't know or question someone's intentions. I believe it came up in a conversation about saving lives vs. having an agenda.

Again, this story s just horrible. Lucky all of the people were able to escape this mad man with their lives. Hopefully they or the people who saw this won't be scarred for too long.

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Wait a second... you heard about this news story... and your inital reaction was to snag an internet report about a knife attack... in CHINA... to respond to this horrific act?