And also having some rules that prevented sick fucks from arming themselves might be nice.
There are rules.
Please man, I'm begging you, just drop it. There are people who need our thoughts and prayers right now. It's disappointing that you started the thread in the first place. Please just let it go. Now is NOT the time.
When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.
And also having some rules that prevented sick fucks from arming themselves might be nice.
There are rules.
Please man, I'm begging you, just drop it. There are people who need our thoughts and prayers right now. It's disappointing that you started the thread in the first place. Please just let it go. Now is NOT the time.
I understand where you're coming from vant.... On the other hand, I'm all for people saying what they have to say when they want to say it. This is DS's response to the situation; no reason he shouldn't be able to act on it.
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Not today not today man your ughhh .......You know what we are at fault here for having responded to your thread for that i apologize to everyone here carry on .....Fuck me
Please man, I'm begging you, just drop it. There are people who need our thoughts and prayers right now. It's disappointing that you started the thread in the first place. Please just let it go. Now is NOT the time.
When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.
It wasn't today. I knew about that yesterday, maybe even the day before.
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When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.
The "right time" would not be a thread that was clearly in response to a mass-murder of children in the U.S. Discuss the China mass-knifing now if you must, but if you're doing it to off-set the justifiably emotional response people have to a sickening murder of children and teachers in our country, "never" would the answer. Never.
You know why you posted this thread, you know why you titled it the way you did and I'm telling you it's not the right time to continue beating the drum you've been beating for days now. If you have any class or respect for the children and people who were murdered - politics completely aside - please, please, stop. I'm asking you sincerely, please stop carrying on this issue for right now.
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What, exactly, is the point of this thread?
Isn't is the same thing if I were to say, "Hey... look at the bright side... at least is wasn't 30 dead"?
Yeah... it would be true... 30 being more than 27, but it has no impact on the horrific tragedy that has been inflicted upon our entire nation.
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If anything, it goes right to the core of the gun debate in America. Failure to admit that we have a problem.
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If anything, it goes right to the core of the gun debate in America. Failure to admit that we have a problem.
THAT is what this thread is, yes.
(and I'm not sure why everyone is trying to shut it down; while I disagree with the message behind this thread, I don't find it especially distasteful like others seem to).
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When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.
The "right time" would not be a thread that was clearly in response to a mass-murder of children in the U.S. Discuss the China mass-knifing now if you must, but if you're doing it to off-set the justifiably emotional response people have to a sickening murder of children and teachers in our country, "never" would the answer. Never.
You know why you posted this thread, you know why you titled it the way you did and I'm telling you it's not the right time to continue beating the drum you've been beating for days now. If you have any class or respect for the children and people who were murdered - politics completely aside - please, please, stop. I'm asking you sincerely, please stop carrying on this issue for right now.
I literally learned about this 3 minutes before I posted it here. Also, someone here once told me I couldn't know or question someone's intentions. I believe it came up in a conversation about saving lives vs. having an agenda.
Again, this story s just horrible. Lucky all of the people were able to escape this mad man with their lives. Hopefully they or the people who saw this won't be scarred for too long.
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If anything, it goes right to the core of the gun debate in America. Failure to admit that we have a problem.
THAT is what this thread is, yes.
(and I'm not sure why everyone is trying to shut it down; while I disagree with the message behind this thread, I don't find it especially distasteful like others seem to).
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I agree. I believe that the conversation NEEDS to be done in order to come up with something to address this problem we have... and YES it IS A PROBLEM when 20 children are shot dead by one individual.
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Otherwise, America just needs to come to accepting the deaths of innocent lives in order to maintain the status quo. Maybe we need to accept these horrible tragedies as part of the American Way.
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I literally learned about this 3 minutes before I posted it here. Also, someone here once told me I couldn't know or question someone's intentions. I believe it came up in a conversation about saving lives vs. having an agenda.
Again, this story s just horrible. Lucky all of the people were able to escape this mad man with their lives. Hopefully they or the people who saw this won't be scarred for too long.
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Wait a second... you heard about this news story... and your inital reaction was to snag an internet report about a knife attack... in CHINA... to respond to this horrific act?
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I literally learned about this 3 minutes before I posted it here. Also, someone here once told me I couldn't know or question someone's intentions. I believe it came up in a conversation about saving lives vs. having an agenda.
Again, this story s just horrible. Lucky all of the people were able to escape this mad man with their lives. Hopefully they or the people who saw this won't be scarred for too long.
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Wait a second... you heard about this news story... and your inital reaction was to snag an internet report about a knife attack... in CHINA... to respond to this horrific act?
Sick fucks are everywhere. I certainly didn't make it up.
I literally learned about this 3 minutes before I posted it here. Also, someone here once told me I couldn't know or question someone's intentions. I believe it came up in a conversation about saving lives vs. having an agenda.
Again, this story s just horrible. Lucky all of the people were able to escape this mad man with their lives. Hopefully they or the people who saw this won't be scarred for too long.
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Wait a second... you heard about this news story... and your inital reaction was to snag an internet report about a knife attack... in CHINA... to respond to this horrific act?
Sick fucks are everywhere. I certainly didn't make it up.
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Oh, i agree... and i'm pretty sure you would not get an arguement from anyone here.
it's just that... to me... I thought it was kind of odd. Mostly because my initial reaction was NOT to post something to lessen the tragedy by saying these things happen elsewhere... mine was purely a reaction of horror, saddness, pain, disgust and anger all at the same time. My first thoughts were of the terror those kids must have gone through.
But, that's jut me, I suppose.
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Oh, i agree... and i'm pretty sure you would not get an arguement from anyone here.
it's just that... to me... I thought it was kind of odd. Mostly because my initial reaction was NOT to post something to lessen the tragedy by saying these things happen elsewhere... mine was purely a reaction of horror, saddness, pain, disgust and anger all at the same time. My first thoughts were of the terror those kids must have gone through.
But, that's jut me, I suppose.
And I feel the same sadness, shock, and horror as well. Over both incidents equally. Unfortunately in this country we don't learn of these other incidents unless we seek them out. I learned about it and wanted to comment about it.
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Wait a second... you heard about this news story... and your inital reaction was to snag an internet report about a knife attack... in CHINA... to respond to this horrific act?
Sick fucks are everywhere. I certainly didn't make it up.
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Oh, i agree... and i'm pretty sure you would not get an arguement from anyone here.
it's just that... to me... I thought it was kind of odd. Mostly because my initial reaction was NOT to post something to lessen the tragedy by saying these things happen elsewhere... mine was purely a reaction of horror, saddness, pain, disgust and anger all at the same time. My first thoughts were of the terror those kids must have gone through.
But, that's jut me, I suppose.
It's not just you Cosmo. It's just that these were DS's thoughts, so he ought to be able to post them if he feels like making a point. What I actually take issue with is that he called 20 kids getting hurt "just as bad" as 27 people, mostly kids, getting KILLED. IMO, that is way way WAY worse!!!!! 20 parents visiting their kids in the hospital vs 20 whose kids are dead. :think: How is the former just as bad, exactly?
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When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.
you COULD have talked about it today. not the issue.
you chose to label the thread "just as bad". I'll ask you again, since you ignored it:
how can you possible say that a bunch of people attacked and LIVED is JUST AS BAD as a bunch of people attacked and killed????
Exactly... I just think that maybe DS didn't think through the thread title very carefully. Of course he must realize that a bunch of people.surviving isn't as bad as a bunch of peope dying. I hope so anyway... am I right DS?
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When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.
you COULD have talked about it today. not the issue.
you chose to label the thread "just as bad". I'll ask you again, since you ignored it:
how can you possible say that a bunch of people attacked and LIVED is JUST AS BAD as a bunch of people attacked and killed????
It's just as bad in that the intent of both of these sick fucks was the same. That's one of the issues in society that I never quite understood. Similar to someone who is convicted of attempted murder versus someone who is convicted of murder. Why does the person who tried to kill someone but was unsuccessful get a lighter sentence than someone who actually did murder someone. Just doesn't make sense to me. This is the reason why I don't really think either of these tragedies are less or more tragic than the other one.
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Oh, i agree... and i'm pretty sure you would not get an arguement from anyone here.
it's just that... to me... I thought it was kind of odd. Mostly because my initial reaction was NOT to post something to lessen the tragedy by saying these things happen elsewhere... mine was purely a reaction of horror, saddness, pain, disgust and anger all at the same time. My first thoughts were of the terror those kids must have gone through.
But, that's jut me, I suppose.
And I feel the same sadness, shock, and horror as well. Over both incidents equally. Unfortunately in this country we don't learn of these other incidents unless we seek them out. I learned about it and wanted to comment about it.
I call bullshit. You've been back and forth on a thread about gun control that you started, and then today, you post a story about a mass-knifing in China with the thread line "Just As Bad," and now you pretend you were simply posting the story, innocently, without political intentions? Sorry man, you make me laugh in other posts all the time, but I call bullshit.
If that is all you were doing, why didn't you title it differently?
Once more, please just stop this...at least for a few days.
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And I feel the same sadness, shock, and horror as well. Over both incidents equally. Unfortunately in this country we don't learn of these other incidents unless we seek them out. I learned about it and wanted to comment about it.
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Fair enough.
I just took it as part of who you are... rather, who you represent yourself as on this forum, based upon past messages, specifically the long, drawn out thread regarding the outlawing of guns. We know your stand on guns in America, if what you are saying is truely how you feel.
That is why people are probably having a reaction toy your, '20 children stabbed in China is just as bad as 20 children shot in America'. Because most of us don't live in China and aren't Chinese... we are Americans. What happens in America hits us harder, because we are Americans and can relate closer to Americans, than Chinese.
Well, to be truthful, i can only speak for myself and no one else here. When things hit home... it is always tougher on me.
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Oh, i agree... and i'm pretty sure you would not get an arguement from anyone here.
it's just that... to me... I thought it was kind of odd. Mostly because my initial reaction was NOT to post something to lessen the tragedy by saying these things happen elsewhere... mine was purely a reaction of horror, saddness, pain, disgust and anger all at the same time. My first thoughts were of the terror those kids must have gone through.
But, that's jut me, I suppose.
And I feel the same sadness, shock, and horror as well. Over both incidents equally. Unfortunately in this country we don't learn of these other incidents unless we seek them out. I learned about it and wanted to comment about it.
I call bullshit. You've been back and forth on a thread about gun control that you started, and then today, you post a story about a mass-knifing in China with the thread line "Just As Bad," and now you pretend you were simply posting the story, innocently, without political intentions? Sorry man, you make me laugh in other posts all the time, but I call bullshit.
If that is all you were doing, why didn't you title it differently?
Once more, please just stop this...at least for a few days.
I titled it the way I did because I view it as just as bad as the tragedy in CT today. Would you prefer I titled "Sick fuck attempts to murder of 20 in china"?
I titled it the way I did because I view it as just as bad as the tragedy in CT today. Would you prefer I titled "Sick fuck attempts to murder of 20 in china"?
Are you kidding? That would have been so, so, so much better. Instead, you came off as trying to politicize the murder of children and innocent people.
Come on, you know better.
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I titled it the way I did because I view it as just as bad as the tragedy in CT today. Would you prefer I titled "Sick fuck attempts to murder of 20 in china"?
Are you kidding? That would have been so, so, so much better. Instead, you came off as trying to politicize the murder of children and innocent people.
Come on, you know better.
Again that's what you are thinking. Not what I'm thinking.
I titled it the way I did because I view it as just as bad as the tragedy in CT today. Would you prefer I titled "Sick fuck attempts to murder of 20 in china"?
Are you kidding? That would have been so, so, so much better. Instead, you came off as trying to politicize the murder of children and innocent people.
Come on, you know better.
Again that's what you are thinking. Not what I'm thinking.
So that was a casual gun reference in your original post? How convenient.
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And I feel the same sadness, shock, and horror as well. Over both incidents equally. Unfortunately in this country we don't learn of these other incidents unless we seek them out. I learned about it and wanted to comment about it.
I call bullshit. You've been back and forth on a thread about gun control that you started, and then today, you post a story about a mass-knifing in China with the thread line "Just As Bad," and now you pretend you were simply posting the story, innocently, without political intentions? Sorry man, you make me laugh in other posts all the time, but I call bullshit.
If that is all you were doing, why didn't you title it differently?
Once more, please just stop this...at least for a few days.
I titled it the way I did because I view it as just as bad as the tragedy in CT today. Would you prefer I titled "Sick fuck attempts to murder of 20 in china"?
Yeah, that would have actually been a way better title. Less offensive, more accurate.
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Yeah, that would have actually been a way better title. Less offensive, more accurate.
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Actually... I would not have posted anything about the thing in China because i would not have found the story about China. within 3 minutes of hearing about the tragedy in Newtown, I would have focused everything on that story and not sought out a parallel story to compare the Newtown story with any other world event. As an American, i feel that Newtown appears in a vaccuum... at this moment in time. Give me time to grieve for the lost before countering a comparison on which incident was worse.
We will have time in the future to compare the shooting in Conneticut with the attack in China and cars and knives and baseball bats... but, tonight... at least, for this American.... it's all about the children of Newtown.
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When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.
you COULD have talked about it today. not the issue.
you chose to label the thread "just as bad". I'll ask you again, since you ignored it:
how can you possible say that a bunch of people attacked and LIVED is JUST AS BAD as a bunch of people attacked and killed????
It's just as bad in that the intent of both of these sick fucks was the same. That's one of the issues in society that I never quite understood. Similar to someone who is convicted of attempted murder versus someone who is convicted of murder. Why does the person who tried to kill someone but was unsuccessful get a lighter sentence than someone who actually did murder someone. Just doesn't make sense to me. This is the reason why I don't really think either of these tragedies are less or more tragic than the other one.
you HAVE to be kidding me. dead children vs not dead children is the same to you. what the holy fucking hell.
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Similar to someone who is convicted of attempted murder versus someone who is convicted of murder. Why does the person who tried to kill someone but was unsuccessful get a lighter sentence than someone who actually did murder someone. Just doesn't make sense to me. This is the reason why I don't really think either of these tragedies are less or more tragic than the other one.
you know, this very argument was made by Sideshow Bob on an episode of the Simpsons.
"I mean, come ON, jail for attempted murder? I've never seen anyone get a nobel prize for attempted chemistry!".
this thread comes off just as idiotic.
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When would be the right time to talk about the 20 people stabbed in China then? This happened today.
The "right time" would not be a thread that was clearly in response to a mass-murder of children in the U.S. Discuss the China mass-knifing now if you must, but if you're doing it to off-set the justifiably emotional response people have to a sickening murder of children and teachers in our country, "never" would the answer. Never.
You know why you posted this thread, you know why you titled it the way you did and I'm telling you it's not the right time to continue beating the drum you've been beating for days now. If you have any class or respect for the children and people who were murdered - politics completely aside - please, please, stop. I'm asking you sincerely, please stop carrying on this issue for right now.
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Isn't is the same thing if I were to say, "Hey... look at the bright side... at least is wasn't 30 dead"?
Yeah... it would be true... 30 being more than 27, but it has no impact on the horrific tragedy that has been inflicted upon our entire nation.
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If anything, it goes right to the core of the gun debate in America. Failure to admit that we have a problem.
Hail, Hail!!!
(and I'm not sure why everyone is trying to shut it down; while I disagree with the message behind this thread, I don't find it especially distasteful like others seem to).
I literally learned about this 3 minutes before I posted it here. Also, someone here once told me I couldn't know or question someone's intentions. I believe it came up in a conversation about saving lives vs. having an agenda.
Again, this story s just horrible. Lucky all of the people were able to escape this mad man with their lives. Hopefully they or the people who saw this won't be scarred for too long.
I agree. I believe that the conversation NEEDS to be done in order to come up with something to address this problem we have... and YES it IS A PROBLEM when 20 children are shot dead by one individual.
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Otherwise, America just needs to come to accepting the deaths of innocent lives in order to maintain the status quo. Maybe we need to accept these horrible tragedies as part of the American Way.
Hail, Hail!!!
Wait a second... you heard about this news story... and your inital reaction was to snag an internet report about a knife attack... in CHINA... to respond to this horrific act?
Hail, Hail!!!
Sick fucks are everywhere. I certainly didn't make it up.
This is true.
Oh, i agree... and i'm pretty sure you would not get an arguement from anyone here.
it's just that... to me... I thought it was kind of odd. Mostly because my initial reaction was NOT to post something to lessen the tragedy by saying these things happen elsewhere... mine was purely a reaction of horror, saddness, pain, disgust and anger all at the same time. My first thoughts were of the terror those kids must have gone through.
But, that's jut me, I suppose.
Hail, Hail!!!
And I feel the same sadness, shock, and horror as well. Over both incidents equally. Unfortunately in this country we don't learn of these other incidents unless we seek them out. I learned about it and wanted to comment about it.
you COULD have talked about it today. not the issue.
you chose to label the thread "just as bad". I'll ask you again, since you ignored it:
how can you possible say that a bunch of people attacked and LIVED is JUST AS BAD as a bunch of people attacked and killed????
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It's just as bad in that the intent of both of these sick fucks was the same. That's one of the issues in society that I never quite understood. Similar to someone who is convicted of attempted murder versus someone who is convicted of murder. Why does the person who tried to kill someone but was unsuccessful get a lighter sentence than someone who actually did murder someone. Just doesn't make sense to me. This is the reason why I don't really think either of these tragedies are less or more tragic than the other one.
I call bullshit. You've been back and forth on a thread about gun control that you started, and then today, you post a story about a mass-knifing in China with the thread line "Just As Bad," and now you pretend you were simply posting the story, innocently, without political intentions? Sorry man, you make me laugh in other posts all the time, but I call bullshit.
If that is all you were doing, why didn't you title it differently?
Once more, please just stop this...at least for a few days.
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Fair enough.
I just took it as part of who you are... rather, who you represent yourself as on this forum, based upon past messages, specifically the long, drawn out thread regarding the outlawing of guns. We know your stand on guns in America, if what you are saying is truely how you feel.
That is why people are probably having a reaction toy your, '20 children stabbed in China is just as bad as 20 children shot in America'. Because most of us don't live in China and aren't Chinese... we are Americans. What happens in America hits us harder, because we are Americans and can relate closer to Americans, than Chinese.
Well, to be truthful, i can only speak for myself and no one else here. When things hit home... it is always tougher on me.
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I titled it the way I did because I view it as just as bad as the tragedy in CT today. Would you prefer I titled "Sick fuck attempts to murder of 20 in china"?
Are you kidding? That would have been so, so, so much better. Instead, you came off as trying to politicize the murder of children and innocent people.
Come on, you know better.
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Again that's what you are thinking. Not what I'm thinking.
So that was a casual gun reference in your original post? How convenient.
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Actually... I would not have posted anything about the thing in China because i would not have found the story about China. within 3 minutes of hearing about the tragedy in Newtown, I would have focused everything on that story and not sought out a parallel story to compare the Newtown story with any other world event. As an American, i feel that Newtown appears in a vaccuum... at this moment in time. Give me time to grieve for the lost before countering a comparison on which incident was worse.
We will have time in the future to compare the shooting in Conneticut with the attack in China and cars and knives and baseball bats... but, tonight... at least, for this American.... it's all about the children of Newtown.
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you HAVE to be kidding me. dead children vs not dead children is the same to you. what the holy fucking hell.
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you know, this very argument was made by Sideshow Bob on an episode of the Simpsons.
"I mean, come ON, jail for attempted murder? I've never seen anyone get a nobel prize for attempted chemistry!".
this thread comes off just as idiotic.
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