For the record. I don't own a gun and I never will. I just find it funny how people get so lost in what the problem with guns actually is in this country. How they want to over regulate an industry and lawful citizens who participate in that industry for their hate for guns. Pumping up this "huge problem" to push their own personal agendas.
Fuck, the media could start printing stories about how harmful the color fucking brown is and enough stories later people will be rallying for "brown regualtions" or lets "ban brown". It's laughable and almost sad at the same time.
When thousands of people die from brown inflicted wounds, then maybe.
It's true. Sad but true. Just read the paper/watch the news and watch how people react. Its no different than advertising. The more of a certain advrtisemtn the average person sees of a product the more they feel they need or want it.
It's so eveident with foods....don't eat eaggs....eat eggs....don't eat eggs. ANd the mindess masses follow them. No different than the gun issue. The public is sold that this is an issue when in reality it's not.
No they don't. Its a study conducted by a university, they can do what they want.
You really dont like to focus on the point of any one specific thing do you?
This is a fact: of 626 specific shootings in a variety of demographics over a year period, they showed results that are common among most incidences (of which many were likely legally owned guns). Just because its not 30,000 incidences, doesnt make it unimportant. Just because there are a zillion guns out there, doesnt make it unimportant.
The statistics prove time and again, that when a gun is used, its often not for its intended purpose, legal or not.
Actually, this is unimportant. Studies that analyze illegal gun ownership in any numbers, will always lead results toward the end result that guns must be the issue. They were illegal in the first place.
I guess I could always do a study of 626 cases of people going to a firing range and I could report zero instances of any injured or no crimes committed. That study would hold about as much water as the one you posted.
You sure could, but you'd just be trying to dance around the facts.
I'll accept that its your opinion that this study is unimportant. But to the rest of the world, I think we should take notice. And the more that gun owners realize the potential dangers, I think they do go out and take classes and try to protect their families from their own weapon. I've heard that many people are taking classes voluntarily because they've become aware that legally owned guns are often used as they were not intended. Its a fact, and people should be educated about it, not brush it under the rug.
For the record. I don't own a gun and I never will. I just find it funny how people get so lost in what the problem with guns actually is in this country. How they want to over regulate an industry and lawful citizens who participate in that industry for their hate for guns. Pumping up this "huge problem" to push their own personal agendas.
Fuck, the media could start printing stories about how harmful the color fucking brown is and enough stories later people will be rallying for "brown regualtions" or lets "ban brown". It's laughable and almost sad at the same time.
DS, I think you over assume things. I would love to live in a world where guns are not used but I would also love to live in a world where smoking is not done and I smoke. But I know that this would never happen. The reason that I ( I am only speaking for myself) would like to put more restriction on guns is because I have seen first hand the damage it causes.
I would just to like you to answer one question. you keep saying that people keep pumping up this huge issue but would you not say that you are doing the opposite and down playing the issue.
For the record. I don't own a gun and I never will. I just find it funny how people get so lost in what the problem with guns actually is in this country. How they want to over regulate an industry and lawful citizens who participate in that industry for their hate for guns. Pumping up this "huge problem" to push their own personal agendas.
Fuck, the media could start printing stories about how harmful the color fucking brown is and enough stories later people will be rallying for "brown regualtions" or lets "ban brown". It's laughable and almost sad at the same time.
When thousands of people die from brown inflicted wounds, then maybe.
It's true. Sad but true. Just read the paper/watch the news and watch how people react. Its no different than advertising. The more of a certain advrtisemtn the average person sees of a product the more they feel they need or want it.
It's so eveident with foods....don't eat eaggs....eat eggs....don't eat eggs. ANd the mindess masses follow them. No different than the gun issue. The public is sold that this is an issue when in reality it's not.
I know it's true... however, I'm totally aware of all this, do NOT all prey to it, and still see gun laws as lacking... In a lot of cases, I think you underestimate the intelligence of those who disagree with your point of view.
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Az, and Co -- Those were high profile examples, yes, but there are boatloads of more cases of legal guns being a problem. We're obviously never going to agree because you think since thousands of people dying is a small percentage of gun owners so it doesnt matter...but I dont care about the proportion. Because nobody suffers through the regulations i've proposed. And I dont care about the proportion because I think our gun culture is out of control and there are nearly more guns than people in the US I think, so proportions are out the window simply because its out of control...I care more about innocent individual lives that could be saved through some simple changes/compromises. I figure it cant hurt to try something new because LOTS of people are dying senselessly. (see here I go again, I said I actually want to save lives, and thats exactly what I mean, I'm not pushing some stupid agenda so I can get elected.)
You can use proportions all you want to justify thousands of people dying if you wish.
And yet you use words like "boatloads" when it comes to legal gun ownership and deaths from those.
And if you don't care about proportions but just "saving lives" wouldn't you worry about the bigger issues first? Like I sadi before cigarettes and alcohol kill more people in this country per year than 100 years of leagal gun ownership could even come close to so why not concentrate on that issue?
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Again....Illegal gun ownership is a problem...not legal gun ownership.
But your argument there isn't helped or hindered by pointing out that there are "only" XXXX gun murders out of the total U.S. population or that the gun used in a crime was legal or not. I'm not sure why you continue to refer to that.
Here's what I'm piecing together:
You are arguing that the frequency of gun murders in relation to the total U.S. population is so low, that regulation as it exists must be working, and therefore gun murders/violence isn't a problem.
My argument is that the proportion of murders and violent crime that involve guns is so disparate, that guns are too widely available - whether legal or not, which in turn causes more murders and violent crime.
Your argument rests on an unsupported premise that most of those 9,000 - 11,000 gun murders (2009 numbers) were NOT used by legal weapons/owners. I have yet to see any support for that proposition.
My argument rests on the premise that it doesn't matter if a gun is licensed, legal etc or not. Many crimes are what criminologists call "crimes of opportunity" (crimes that wouldn't have otherwise occurred, were it not for the right circumstances). If that's true, then the fact that (1) there are 200,000,000 guns (legal or not, it doesn't matter) in the U.S. alone, and (2) a severely disproportionate number of violent crimes are committed using guns, tells me there's a problem. Most gun crimes are NOT assault weapons, so we can stop worrying about China importing illegal weapons as the explanation. Guns - legal or not - are getting into the hands of people who are committing crimes.
So again, I don't know what the solution is. But I certainly reject the idea that gun violence in the U.S. is not a problem and doesn't deserve our attention.
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It's true. Sad but true. Just read the paper/watch the news and watch how people react. Its no different than advertising. The more of a certain advrtisemtn the average person sees of a product the more they feel they need or want it.
It's so eveident with foods....don't eat eaggs....eat eggs....don't eat eggs. ANd the mindess masses follow them. No different than the gun issue. The public is sold that this is an issue when in reality it's not.
That may be true in some cases, but its sad that you'd just assume we are like that because we bring up cases that were in the media. Its comical how much you assume.
its not always analogous to media hype, sorry that it appears that way because I brought up high profile cases..I dont have time to dig up the thousands of accidental shootings in florida alone right now. the media hype thing is a cop out, and you've again run out of reasons why you think we think there's a gun problem. I have been against guns since I've had several run ins and quite a few close calls, one in which I came inches from losing my life. I also speak out vehemently against cigarettes when the time is right because I know people who have suffered from negative side effects. My convictions are from what have affected me personally and what I've seen first hand for the most part.
I do hate guns. It seems unnatural to me to not hate guns. Because guns give far too much power to any individual. I really don't care if a gun owner has a good record of being a responsible citizen. Any person is capable of losing their mind, or of letting emotion take over them, and a gun makes it far too easy to kill another person or kill oneself. Guns also easily fall into the wrong hands.
The instances where guns are used in self-defense are far outnumbered by instances where guns are used in acts of violence and murder. It's something like 3% of guns are used for self-defense. And if you have a gun in your home, it's far more likely to be used against you than against an attacker. http://arstechnica.com/science/2011/04/ ... ambiguity/
There's talk here about how the media makes people fear guns. I think the opposite is true. The media makes people fear crime, and therefore makes them want to own guns for self-defense.
This country is swimming in guns, and people are getting shot every fucking day. If you don't think we need better control of guns, then you are responsible for this madness!!!
Again....Illegal gun ownership is a problem...not legal gun ownership.
But your argument there isn't helped or hindered by pointing out that there are "only" XXXX gun murders out of the total U.S. population or that the gun used in a crime was legal or not. I'm not sure why you continue to refer to that.
Here's what I'm piecing together:
You are arguing that the frequency of gun murders in relation to the total U.S. population is so low, that regulation as it exists must be working, and therefore gun murders/violence isn't a problem.
My argument is that the proportion of murders and violent crime that involve guns is so disparate, that guns are too widely available - whether legal or not, which in turn causes more murders and violent crime.
Your argument rests on an unsupported premise that most of those 9,000 - 11,000 gun murders (2009 numbers) were NOT used by legal weapons/owners. I have yet to see any support for that proposition.
My argument rests on the premise that it doesn't matter if a gun is licensed, legal etc or not. Many crimes are what criminologists call "crimes of opportunity" (crimes that wouldn't have otherwise occurred, were it not for the right circumstances). If that's true, then the fact that (1) there are 200,000,000 guns (legal or not, it doesn't matter) in the U.S. alone, and (2) a severely disproportionate number of violent crimes are committed using guns, tells me there's a problem. Most gun crimes are NOT assault weapons, so we can stop worrying about China importing illegal weapons as the explanation. Guns - legal or not - are getting into the hands of people who are committing crimes.
So again, I don't know what the solution is. But I certainly reject the idea that gun violence in the U.S. is not a problem and doesn't deserve our attention.
Good summation, and the funny thing is, we all have an opinion, but Im always amazed that someone cant admit that something is a problem (even a slight problem?) or that it could be changed somehow without too much compromise. I honestly dont know the answers to fix the problem, but it simply shouldnt be ignored because of simple proportions. Its like saying there are 400 billion stars in the milky way so why bother doing anything to our single planet since its only .00000000001%. Let the fucker burn.
A couple at least of the most recent mass shootings this happened.
Has been said it could have been far worse if the gunmen had been armed
with something different, something that did not jam.
Could this be that the gunmen don't know the correct way to use them...
no practice to insure effectiveness ? Or is this common with these type of guns?
For the record. I don't own a gun and I never will. I just find it funny how people get so lost in what the problem with guns actually is in this country. How they want to over regulate an industry and lawful citizens who participate in that industry for their hate for guns. Pumping up this "huge problem" to push their own personal agendas.
Then it's odd how we are at odds. I've been contemplating getting a revolver over the last month.
I don't see the point, I guess. I've never owned a gun, never fired a gun, don't hunt, and never felt unsafe, whether I was living in the suburbs or the city. Plus I listened to a lot of PJ and 311 growing up.
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A couple at least of the most recent mass shootings this happened.
Has been said it could have been far worse if the gunmen had been armed
with something different, something that did not jam.
Could this be that the gunmen don't know the correct way to use them...
no practice to insure effectiveness ? Or is this common with these type of guns?
It could be a few things. A lot of high capacity magazines are poor quality and have a tendency to jam. The quality of ammo can have an effect as well as the gun manufacturer's quality. And last but least, if the gun hasn't been cleaned properly it can jam.
Thankfully, these mishaps that are often overlooked by madmen have prevented countless people from being injured or killed in these rampages.
For the record. I don't own a gun and I never will. I just find it funny how people get so lost in what the problem with guns actually is in this country. How they want to over regulate an industry and lawful citizens who participate in that industry for their hate for guns. Pumping up this "huge problem" to push their own personal agendas.
Then it's odd how we are at odds. I've been contemplating getting a revolver over the last month.
You seem very knowledgeable when it comes to guns, and its good to see a gun owner that recognizes that there are indeed some issues when it comes to guns in our society.
KennyO, thanks for those additional links that support what I was saying earlier too.
I cant even begin to think about the assault weapons like the AR-15...though they're less common in accidents and shootings, I'm amazed that anyone would think they need one of these.
Again....Illegal gun ownership is a problem...not legal gun ownership.
But your argument there isn't helped or hindered by pointing out that there are "only" XXXX gun murders out of the total U.S. population or that the gun used in a crime was legal or not. I'm not sure why you continue to refer to that.
Here's what I'm piecing together:
You are arguing that the frequency of gun murders in relation to the total U.S. population is so low, that regulation as it exists must be working, and therefore gun murders/violence isn't a problem.
My argument is that the proportion of murders and violent crime that involve guns is so disparate, that guns are too widely available - whether legal or not, which in turn causes more murders and violent crime.
Your argument rests on an unsupported premise that most of those 9,000 - 11,000 gun murders (2009 numbers) were NOT used by legal weapons/owners. I have yet to see any support for that proposition.
My argument rests on the premise that it doesn't matter if a gun is licensed, legal etc or not. Many crimes are what criminologists call "crimes of opportunity" (crimes that wouldn't have otherwise occurred, were it not for the right circumstances). If that's true, then the fact that (1) there are 200,000,000 guns (legal or not, it doesn't matter) in the U.S. alone, and (2) a severely disproportionate number of violent crimes are committed using guns, tells me there's a problem. Most gun crimes are NOT assault weapons, so we can stop worrying about China importing illegal weapons as the explanation. Guns - legal or not - are getting into the hands of people who are committing crimes.
So again, I don't know what the solution is. But I certainly reject the idea that gun violence in the U.S. is not a problem and doesn't deserve our attention.
Good summation, and the funny thing is, we all have an opinion, but Im always amazed that someone cant admit that something is a problem (even a slight problem?) or that it could be changed somehow without too much compromise. I honestly dont know the answers to fix the problem, but it simply shouldnt be ignored because of simple proportions. Its like saying there are 400 billion stars in the milky way so why bother doing anything to our single planet since its only .00000000001%. Let the fucker burn.
the solution is to limit the effectiveness of the bullets.
but you can't have a full ban on guns. as much as i dislike the NRA their point about only the bad guys having guns if you outlaw them is absolutely true. so yes guns should be legal, just not all of them which baffles me that people argue agains that point.
Then it's odd how we are at odds. I've been contemplating getting a revolver over the last month.
Got a revolver, fact I got two...vinyl versions though :P
To me, statistics have way too many variables, agendas and manipulations.
There are idiots (and plain ol' nutjobs) out there who possess guns both legally and not. Accidents and crimes are committed in both cases. Accidents are committed even by non-idiots...carelessness, fear, what have you.
And with the exception of a few of those rascally radicals, I haven't seen a call to ban all guns - certainly not in this forum, unless I've missed it...just a desire to do what's possible to implement more safety, training and responsibility.
I understand playing the devil's advocate role - it's useful at times - but oh man, this thread...to the extreme.
If you want to have a hunting rifle fine, I have no problem with that. But I have posed this question many times and have yet to get a sensible answer: Why does anyone need a semi-automatic/assault gun (a weapon that can shoot hundreds of rounds of ammo in a very short amount of time)? To me this weapons serve as one purpose, to kill many people in as quick amount of time as possible. It's mind boggling that anyone would think it is good idea for people (regardless of applications, background checks etc) to own these. What good do these weapons bring to society? Absolutely none! I just can't comprehend what type of person would think these are a good thing to have in everyday life/society.
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They compare the US with Japan or any other country when it is impossible to make that comparison.
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many people have committed mass murders with guns and the problem has never even been addressed or allowed to be debated.
how is one situation different from the other?
Yeah... about 3,000 people died in 9/11 and we fundamentally changed how air travel is operated.
About that many die every 5 weeks as a result of guns in the US, and we've done nothing, except relax laws.
We're never going to eliminate gun deaths, but the fact that we've really done nothing to even try, is mind boggling.
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and i am paraphrasing here...one guy tries to use a shoe bomb to down a plane and now all americans have to take their shoes off at the airport.
many people have committed mass murders with guns and the problem has never even been addressed or allowed to be debated.
how is one situation different from the other?
Yeah... about 3,000 people died in 9/11 and we fundamentally changed how air travel is operated.
About that many die every 5 weeks as a result of guns in the US, and we've done nothing, except relax laws.
We're never going to eliminate gun deaths, but the fact that we've really done nothing to even try, is mind boggling.
It's down right disgusting and inhumane.
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I would never want to ban guns or outlaw guns at all. However, there's a few things I would like to see done here in America.
Across the the country a mandatory background check and a waiting period of two weeks for every gun bought.
Mandatory course testing on how to handle a gun and pass a shooting range test. Done so every 2 years with a fee of 50-100 dollars.
A tax of $50 for every gun owned every year.
Reinstitute the ban on assault weapons and extended magazines.
These rules and regulations won't stop mass shootings or accicental or even suicides but it may limit them and the many deaths they can cause.
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$10 that this guy is just like the rest of these cowards and went off his anti-depressents.
Maybe the problem lies with the over medication of young adults.
i wanna know why this guy did what he did. why didnt he just kill himself? it breaks my heart when people get to a point that suicide seems like the only solution to them.. but to kill your father.... then go and hunt down your mother and kill her.. and THEN shoot babies.. im sorry but you lose me. you lose my empathy... you lose my sympathy... you lose every single ounce of feeling i couldve had for you. and i DO NOT understand. help me understand... someone help me understand.
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see my thoughts directly above.
I believe it is the over medication of youth today. Got a kid that is always excited and full of energy? Must have ADD. Got a child that is shy? Must be depressed. Let's pump them full of chemicals and not worry about what happens when they come off.
Want to talk about gun control? Let's talk about pharmaceutical control.
I believe it is the over medication of youth today. Got a kid that is always excited and full of energy? Must have ADD. Got a child that is shy? Must be depressed. Let's pump them full of chemicals and not worry about what happens when they come off.
Want to talk about gun control? Let's talk about pharmaceutical control.
My first reaction to hearing the news was that here we have, yet again, one more person who has been insufficiently treated for a mental health disorder. Too many GPs are putting kids on drugs without really assessing what is going on with the kids first. Part of the problem is the lack of mental health parity in the US. If you need a pill, our insurance programs cover that. But if you need counseling, tough shit. We really have to rethink how we do mental health care in the US.
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It's true. Sad but true. Just read the paper/watch the news and watch how people react. Its no different than advertising. The more of a certain advrtisemtn the average person sees of a product the more they feel they need or want it.
It's so eveident with foods....don't eat eaggs....eat eggs....don't eat eggs. ANd the mindess masses follow them. No different than the gun issue. The public is sold that this is an issue when in reality it's not.
You sure could, but you'd just be trying to dance around the facts.
I'll accept that its your opinion that this study is unimportant. But to the rest of the world, I think we should take notice. And the more that gun owners realize the potential dangers, I think they do go out and take classes and try to protect their families from their own weapon. I've heard that many people are taking classes voluntarily because they've become aware that legally owned guns are often used as they were not intended. Its a fact, and people should be educated about it, not brush it under the rug.
DS, I think you over assume things. I would love to live in a world where guns are not used but I would also love to live in a world where smoking is not done and I smoke. But I know that this would never happen. The reason that I ( I am only speaking for myself) would like to put more restriction on guns is because I have seen first hand the damage it causes.
I would just to like you to answer one question. you keep saying that people keep pumping up this huge issue but would you not say that you are doing the opposite and down playing the issue.
:fp: again, you have a hard time following along dont you...MULTITASKING. I'm trying to stay on topic of guns. Start all the threads you want on scissors, color brown, cigarettes, condom mishaps, drinking, auto-erotic asphixiation, choking on cockroaches...for godsake man, I do worry about those things, just as equally, but you seem to have run out of analogies again. :fp:
But your argument there isn't helped or hindered by pointing out that there are "only" XXXX gun murders out of the total U.S. population or that the gun used in a crime was legal or not. I'm not sure why you continue to refer to that.
Here's what I'm piecing together:
You are arguing that the frequency of gun murders in relation to the total U.S. population is so low, that regulation as it exists must be working, and therefore gun murders/violence isn't a problem.
My argument is that the proportion of murders and violent crime that involve guns is so disparate, that guns are too widely available - whether legal or not, which in turn causes more murders and violent crime.
Your argument rests on an unsupported premise that most of those 9,000 - 11,000 gun murders (2009 numbers) were NOT used by legal weapons/owners. I have yet to see any support for that proposition.
My argument rests on the premise that it doesn't matter if a gun is licensed, legal etc or not. Many crimes are what criminologists call "crimes of opportunity" (crimes that wouldn't have otherwise occurred, were it not for the right circumstances). If that's true, then the fact that (1) there are 200,000,000 guns (legal or not, it doesn't matter) in the U.S. alone, and (2) a severely disproportionate number of violent crimes are committed using guns, tells me there's a problem. Most gun crimes are NOT assault weapons, so we can stop worrying about China importing illegal weapons as the explanation. Guns - legal or not - are getting into the hands of people who are committing crimes.
So again, I don't know what the solution is. But I certainly reject the idea that gun violence in the U.S. is not a problem and doesn't deserve our attention.
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That may be true in some cases, but its sad that you'd just assume we are like that because we bring up cases that were in the media. Its comical how much you assume.
its not always analogous to media hype, sorry that it appears that way because I brought up high profile cases..I dont have time to dig up the thousands of accidental shootings in florida alone right now. the media hype thing is a cop out, and you've again run out of reasons why you think we think there's a gun problem. I have been against guns since I've had several run ins and quite a few close calls, one in which I came inches from losing my life. I also speak out vehemently against cigarettes when the time is right because I know people who have suffered from negative side effects. My convictions are from what have affected me personally and what I've seen first hand for the most part.
I do hate guns. It seems unnatural to me to not hate guns. Because guns give far too much power to any individual. I really don't care if a gun owner has a good record of being a responsible citizen. Any person is capable of losing their mind, or of letting emotion take over them, and a gun makes it far too easy to kill another person or kill oneself. Guns also easily fall into the wrong hands.
The instances where guns are used in self-defense are far outnumbered by instances where guns are used in acts of violence and murder. It's something like 3% of guns are used for self-defense. And if you have a gun in your home, it's far more likely to be used against you than against an attacker. http://arstechnica.com/science/2011/04/ ... ambiguity/
There's talk here about how the media makes people fear guns. I think the opposite is true. The media makes people fear crime, and therefore makes them want to own guns for self-defense.
This country is swimming in guns, and people are getting shot every fucking day. If you don't think we need better control of guns, then you are responsible for this madness!!!
Good summation, and the funny thing is, we all have an opinion, but Im always amazed that someone cant admit that something is a problem (even a slight problem?) or that it could be changed somehow without too much compromise. I honestly dont know the answers to fix the problem, but it simply shouldnt be ignored because of simple proportions. Its like saying there are 400 billion stars in the milky way so why bother doing anything to our single planet since its only .00000000001%. Let the fucker burn.
Winner of today's oddest post award.
Glad someone picked up on that!
Hilarious story, I would definitely unload a banana clip for pussy!
Thankfully, these mishaps that are often overlooked by madmen have prevented countless people from being injured or killed in these rampages.
You seem very knowledgeable when it comes to guns, and its good to see a gun owner that recognizes that there are indeed some issues when it comes to guns in our society.
KennyO, thanks for those additional links that support what I was saying earlier too.
I cant even begin to think about the assault weapons like the AR-15...though they're less common in accidents and shootings, I'm amazed that anyone would think they need one of these.
the solution is to limit the effectiveness of the bullets.
but you can't have a full ban on guns. as much as i dislike the NRA their point about only the bad guys having guns if you outlaw them is absolutely true. so yes guns should be legal, just not all of them which baffles me that people argue agains that point.
To me, statistics have way too many variables, agendas and manipulations.
There are idiots (and plain ol' nutjobs) out there who possess guns both legally and not. Accidents and crimes are committed in both cases. Accidents are committed even by non-idiots...carelessness, fear, what have you.
And with the exception of a few of those rascally radicals, I haven't seen a call to ban all guns - certainly not in this forum, unless I've missed it...just a desire to do what's possible to implement more safety, training and responsibility.
I understand playing the devil's advocate role - it's useful at times - but oh man, this thread...to the extreme.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Amen
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
The politicians use this to their advantage. They can get votes, get on tv, or get in the public sphere by exploiting these simple minds with simple explanations and solutions.
They compare the US with Japan or any other country when it is impossible to make that comparison.
Yeah, read that again...
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/16/opini ... share&_r=0
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
and i am paraphrasing here...one guy tries to use a shoe bomb to down a plane and now all americans have to take their shoes off at the airport.
many people have committed mass murders with guns and the problem has never even been addressed or allowed to be debated.
how is one situation different from the other?
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Yeah... about 3,000 people died in 9/11 and we fundamentally changed how air travel is operated.
About that many die every 5 weeks as a result of guns in the US, and we've done nothing, except relax laws.
We're never going to eliminate gun deaths, but the fact that we've really done nothing to even try, is mind boggling.
was like a picture
of a sunny day
“We can complain because rose bushes have thorns, or rejoice because thorn bushes have roses.”
― Abraham Lincoln
It's down right disgusting and inhumane.
Chicago 5/16/06, Chicago 5/17/06, Grand Rapids 5/19/06
Milwaukee 6/29/06, Milwaukee 6/30/06, Lollapalooza 8/5/07
Eddie Solo Milwaukee 8/19/08, Toronto 8/21/09, Chicago 8/23/09
Chicago 8/24/09, Indianapolis 5/7/10, Ed Chicago 6/29/11, Alpine Valley 9/3/11 and 9/4/11, Wrigley 7/19/13, Moline 10/18/14, Milwaukee 10/20/14
Across the the country a mandatory background check and a waiting period of two weeks for every gun bought.
Mandatory course testing on how to handle a gun and pass a shooting range test. Done so every 2 years with a fee of 50-100 dollars.
A tax of $50 for every gun owned every year.
Reinstitute the ban on assault weapons and extended magazines.
These rules and regulations won't stop mass shootings or accicental or even suicides but it may limit them and the many deaths they can cause.
Peace
*MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
.....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti
*The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)
Maybe the problem lies with the over medication of young adults.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
I believe it is the over medication of youth today. Got a kid that is always excited and full of energy? Must have ADD. Got a child that is shy? Must be depressed. Let's pump them full of chemicals and not worry about what happens when they come off.
Want to talk about gun control? Let's talk about pharmaceutical control.
My first reaction to hearing the news was that here we have, yet again, one more person who has been insufficiently treated for a mental health disorder. Too many GPs are putting kids on drugs without really assessing what is going on with the kids first. Part of the problem is the lack of mental health parity in the US. If you need a pill, our insurance programs cover that. But if you need counseling, tough shit. We really have to rethink how we do mental health care in the US.